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Star Wars UCS B-Wing

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  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,404
    ^ I would do a Death Star at cost as well... Actually, if you don't mind one that is new in box but a little rough, I'll do 10% under cost for that one since you're from down under... :)
  • CaptAPJTCaptAPJT Member Posts: 223
    Probably won't save any money buy the time you factor in p&p and customs charges :-/
  • tvihtvih Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2012
    220 euros for Finland... dream on, LEGO.
    Belive me, it can be worst than that: in Italy it is not even available, at least for the moment being.
    It's not possible to order it here either yet, but it will be available in Italy, probably at the same time. Besides, in Italy the sets in general cost less than in Finland. Even more so considering you have a "local" Amazon to order from as well...

  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,404
    Probably won't save any money buy the time you factor in p&p and customs charges :-/
    Probably not... :)

    Shipping that set, in the retail box, packed in the factory shipping box which is form fitting, is just over $200. Shipping it deboxed probably can be done for around $120, but you lose the original retail box doing so.

    The B-Wing will make more sense because of the smaller size of the retail box.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    In theory, 7965 is "minifigure scale" as Lego has designed the kit to accomodate minifigures.
    Was still pondering this point and came across the answer on lego.wikia when looking up Tantive IV #10198. You were right @ringleheim!

    "The Tantive IV also appeared in 10019 Rebel Blockade Runner (as a UCS-scale model) and 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer (as a mini-scale model). This is the first time it has been released in minifigure-scale."

    Which makes Falcon #7965 officially 'Minifigure-scale'. Thus it exists in scales:

    Micro (#7958-22) < Mini (#4488) < Midi (#7778) < Minifig (#7965 & #4504) < Ultimate (#10179)
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,404

    Which makes Falcon #7965 officially 'Minifigure-scale'. Thus it exists in scales:

    Micro (#7958-22) < Mini (#4488) < Midi (#7778) < Minifig (#7965 & #4504) < Ultimate (#10179)
    Ahh, no... In no way could you consider 7965 and 4504 to be minifig scale, the figs don't fit the model properly, you can only barely put 2 minifigs in the cockpit, and clearly you should be able to get more in than that.

    Besides, according to TLG itself, 10179 is minifig scale, they said so right on the box. :)

    The actual Lego.com description was:

    This is it - the biggest, most spectacular LEGO Star Wars model ever! Straight out of the classic Star Wars movies comes the Ultimate Collector's Millennium Falcon , Han Solo's famous smuggling starship. Every detail of the modified Corellian Engineering Corporation YT-1300 freighter is here, all constructed to scale with LEGO minifigures. At almost 3 feet (90cm) long, it's the ultimate centerpiece to any Star Wars collection! With over 5,000 pieces, this is the biggest LEGO set ever made! Model is built completely to minifigure scale - minifigures can sit inside and man the controls!

    But all you have to do is the math, compare the size of a minifig, scale it to a human (1:40th scale), then measure all the MF sets and compare the sizes.

    According to Starwars Wikia, the Millennium Falcon is 34.37 meters long, so in 1:40th scale, it should be about 86 cm long. The 10179 UCS Falcon is 90cm long, so they got it really close to the proper scale (and the 1:40th is an approx anyway).

    7965 is 38cm long, not even close, less than half the size of UCS Falcon.
  • tk79tk79 Member Posts: 329
    7965 = midifig
  • ringleheimringleheim Member Posts: 168
    @Legofantexas and I are basically saying the same thing.

    The issue in contention here is not the correct size of the Millennium Falcon or the size of Lego sets of the MF. The issue is how Lego, as a company, chooses to define "minifigure scale".

    Near as I can tell, they would consider 7195 to be a "Minifigure scale" set, in that the set is designed around minifigures, comes with minifigures, and more or less "works" with minifigures. That's what makes it "minifigure scale" in Lego's eyes.

    However, as Legofantexas points out, 7195 is way too small to be properly scaled proportionately with a Lego minifigure. In that sense, the set is not "minifigure scale" but that is using a definition of "minifigure scale" that disagrees with Lego's.

    Very few Lego sets are scaled correctly in that manner, as most of them are play sets for kids. And kids don't really notice or care if a given set is out of proportion to the minifigs.

    Look at the Sand Crawler set. I would call that minifigure scale, even though it is way too small to be scaled proportionately to a minifigure.

    Ditto for every Lego Castle set ever made, even though they are all "minifigure scale" in Lego's eyes, I'm sure.

    Consider the new Helm's Deep set. I think we would all consider that a minifigure scale set. It is designed around minifigures and is more or less large enough to accommodate them into the playing. Of course, the set is massively undersized and the walls are something like twice the height of a human!

    So then we must not confuse Lego's definition of "minifigure scale" with "proper, correct, mathematically proportionate minifigure scale" as those are 2 different things...

  • ringleheimringleheim Member Posts: 168
    PS: Despite the various labels the marketing wonks at Lego have come up with over the years, there are only three useful or meaningful scales to reference when describing Lego kits as I see it.

    I would label them as: 1) micro 2) minifigure and 3) bigger than minifigure

    Micro scale, for me, means anything that is obviously too small to be used in connection with a minifigure. The scale discrepancy is simply too big to fit a minifigure into the equation. This would include things like the "MIDI" MF, the mini modulars, or MOCS of something like a house which are much smaller than the mini modulars (which are not all that small actually; they could be smaller).

    Minifigure is anything which, more or less, works with a minifigure. This depends on how much willing suspension of disbelief you can accept. This is the vast majority of all Lego sets. The "more or less" bit is what makes most Lego sets "toys for kids" and why I have little interest in most Lego sets as an adult. Look at the newest Hogwarts from the Harry Potter line. Some of the "rooms" in the towers are barely large enough to fit 2 minifigures! A child will overlook this problem and have fun playing with it. As an adult, I have to move on as I can not take something like this seriously.

    Bigger than Minifigure scale would be a handful of kits like some of the UCS Star Wars sets or some of the Technic construction equipment which is not really designed to accommodate a minifigure. These sets have large, detailed seats where a person would go, but are too big for a minifigure. The sets typically don't come with minifigures and minifigures are not really part of the equation. The Unimog comes to mind here.

    One of the reasons why some people dislike the SSD, in my opinion, is that they are overlooking the fact that the ship is actually very much micro scale. And a lot of Lego fans are not into micro scale due to the lack of detail that comes with it.

    But the SSD is precisely the same kind of thing as the mini modulars, it's just that the actual subject being modeled in the 2 sets varies greatly in size, so one set (the SSD) is 4 feet long, while the mini modulars are tiny and cute. They both suffer from the "lack of detail" problem though, if that's how you choose to look at it.

    In ths way, the SSD is almost unique among the UCS Star Wars sets. The only other one I can think of like this is the Star Destroyer. Typically, UCS sets are all about blowing up the scale to a huge size, beyond typical minfigure scale, offering tons of detail.

    Despite the huge size of the SSD in Lego form, the set really goes the other way. The scale of that thing is not enlarged at all. It is tiny. It is massively smaller than anything approaching minifigure scale. So you lose a lot of detail relative to what we are used to seeing in other sets.

    I own the SSD and love it! But you can argue it was also a strange choice for a UCS set (like the B-wing), given its inherent scale problems.

    It is the perfect antithesis of what the speeder bike would be, if Lego made a UCS speeder bike. Given the tiny size (in comparison to the SSD) of the "real" speeder bike, a UCS set could not only be big as a Lego set, but it could be offered in a very large scale which would lend itself wonderfully to huge amouts of detail.

    As I posted earlier, a 24" long (or longer!) Speeder Bike would be filled with rich detail and probably pretty mind blowing.

    Without having looked at the dimensions of the "real" speeder bike or done any calculations, I will confidently say it could be presented in 1:6 scale, which would be fanastic.

  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 811
    the key words in 10179 description is

    'constructed to scale with LEGO minifigures'
  • scrat79scrat79 Member Posts: 2
    The general look of the B-Wing is very good, only niggle I have is the cockpit area, it shouldn't have a domed cockpit and the pieces behind it look a bit messy to. Also the area in front of the cockpit needs to be rounder.

    I like the rest of it, the large sturdy weapons and wings work nicely.

    I just wish it was £20 cheaper to.
  • ringleheimringleheim Member Posts: 168
    The general look of the B-Wing is very good, only niggle I have is the cockpit area, it shouldn't have a domed cockpit and the pieces behind it look a bit messy to. Also the area in front of the cockpit needs to be rounder.

    I like the rest of it, the large sturdy weapons and wings work nicely.

    I just wish it was £20 cheaper to.
    The price is what will keep this from being a smash hit I think. The way the set is designed (as shown in the video) is pretty cool. It's modular and the various sub-assemblies pop together using Technic pin connectors. Cool design in that regard.

    The SSD is somewhat similar in various areas. It's a clever way to combine elements in a big, complicated set.
  • scrat79scrat79 Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2012
    The price is what will keep this from being a smash hit I think. The way the set is designed (as shown in the video) is pretty cool. It's modular and the various sub-assemblies pop together using Technic pin connectors. Cool design in that regard.

    The SSD is somewhat similar in various areas. It's a clever way to combine elements in a big, complicated set.


    The SSD is different somewhat since it is micro-mini scale, in that's very difficult to put in alot of detail into them type of models. My favourite has to be the Imperial shuttle, set to mini fig scale and almost a SNOT model, the shuttle also benefits from some bold detailing which is similar to the B-wing to.

    Don't get me wrong I will still buy the B-Wing(probably re-design the cockpit area to make it look better though), also hoping they will make an A-Wing to just to complete the set :p






    The SSD is somewhat similar in various areas. It's a clever way to combine elements in a big, complicated set.

    The SSD is different somewhat since it is micro-mini scale, in that's very difficult to put in alot of detail into them type of models. My favourite has to be the Imperial shuttle, set to mini fig scale and almost a SNOT model, the shuttle also benefits from some bold detailing which is similar to the B-wing to.

    Don't get me wrong I will still buy the B-Wing(probably re-design the cockpit area to make it look better though), also hoping they will make an A-Wing to just to complete the set :p
  • bellybutton290bellybutton290 Member Posts: 453
    edited July 2012
    ^agreed am a sucker for the shuttle. Love the b-wing it's mine come october! I'll add my name to the £20 cheaper request though.
  • LegofanscottLegofanscott Member Posts: 622

    ^agreed am a sucker for the shuttle. Love the b-wing it's mine come october! I'll add my name to the £20 cheaper request though.

    66cm seems ALOT bigger when you get the tape measure out xD

    I think itll look epic in the flesh
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,453
    edited July 2012
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  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 811
    Ahem

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  • JBricks27JBricks27 Member Posts: 678
    Oh man....
  • JBricks27JBricks27 Member Posts: 678
    More box pics please
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 811
    What like this?

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  • JBricks27JBricks27 Member Posts: 678
    Boo yah!!!!!! October seems so far away...
  • JBricks27JBricks27 Member Posts: 678
    Do you own a time machine?
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 811
    There may be a review of it in the not to distant future!
  • cynthilinacynthilina Member Posts: 188
    I read allot of opinions on UCS and collecting and what people consider Swoosh ability etc. For me I care less about the playability and more about the modelbilty of the sets. I love the UCS B-Wing, I think its going to be a great model. I collect allot of sets, mostly for trade later because I like to build models. For me the biggest difference in the UCS from the regular sets is the details, despite the piece count or size. In the end I feel Lego considers something UCS If it is more a model than a play set. HOWEVER I know the argument for the Death star can be made. I think this was an attempt by Lego to combine Playability with a model and I think it worked out more for the playability hence the deathstar2 model.
  • tcleongtcleong Member Posts: 19
    That's so cool! How did you manage to get it?
  • USMCYodzUSMCYodz USAMember Posts: 94
    Totally jealous. Definitely can't wait for this set.
  • effalconeffalcon Member Posts: 71
    even the stand looks like it's taken the next step.. can't wait :D
  • atxleeatxlee Member Posts: 155
    Is there anyone that thinks the UCS B-Wing is not that great looking? Maybe I need to see it in the store as a display to be convinced that I need this set as well :-) That happened to me for the set 10220.
  • RennyRenny USAMember Posts: 1,145
    It's got a pretty unique look. I'll be picking one up but only if it's been discounted by 20-25% (whenever, if ever, that occurs).
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 811
    tcleong, it's for display at Steam later this year.
  • bellybutton290bellybutton290 Member Posts: 453
    Stunning and still keen to own but still needs the minimum 20 quid drop. I see alot of people saying it's not worth the asking price and I am inclined to agree though I will wait to see in the flesh for a final opinion to be formed.
  • LegofanscottLegofanscott Member Posts: 622
    Box design looks nice:)

    Although i still don't think that stupid black and red faced idiot should be on the front ;D
  • luckyrussluckyruss UKMember Posts: 872
    I'm liking it, it does look good.

    I'll most likely be waiting for amazon.it to deliver me one to the UK, but guess it may be towards Christmas or maybe into 2013, which fingers crossed might give a circa 25% discount on UK RRP.
  • LegofanscottLegofanscott Member Posts: 622
    luckyruss said:

    I'm liking it, it does look good.

    I'll most likely be waiting for amazon.it to deliver me one to the UK, but guess it may be towards Christmas or maybe into 2013, which fingers crossed might give a circa 25% discount on UK RRP.

    Hopefully in 2013 we'll see a super detailed TIE Fighter(fingers crossed) :)
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 811
    I'm hoping for an A-wing
  • LegofanscottLegofanscott Member Posts: 622
    cavegod said:

    I'm hoping for an A-wing

    Its a nice spacecraft but i like the tie models better :)

    Although seeing this picture it does better in Lego :)

    image
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,156
    After reading Cavegod's review, i've cooled on the B-Wing UCS - it does not look like value for money. Hopefully Amazon.es/it will be knocking these out for £120 soon enough.
  • JBricks27JBricks27 Member Posts: 678
    Where can I find the review?
  • LegofanscottLegofanscott Member Posts: 622

    Where can I find the review?

    brickset.com/news/article/?ID=3953
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,404
    The windscreen on the UCS B-Wing is ugly, why did they have to use the Jedi Windscreen? That is terrible. :(

    It is overpriced, I must say... When it is 25% off, I'll buy it, not a minute before.
  • mressinmressin Lego City... erm LondonMember Posts: 843
    The A-Wing looks nice. Would love to know how the builder got 47543 in trans-black.
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 811
    he didn't it has window tint on it
  • mressinmressin Lego City... erm LondonMember Posts: 843
    Hmm heard about that trick. But doesn't that affect clutchability, i.e. studs become a bit thicker etc.?
  • rmarkworthrmarkworth GermanyMember Posts: 87
    I really like the B-Wing. But as always I'm gonna wait for a discount, too. It's 200 euros in germany, let's hope for a 20% discount next may, 4th...
  • luckyrussluckyruss UKMember Posts: 872
    ^^ 47543 is not that common is trans clear eirher! (unless you can take the print work off the Millennium Falcon one)
  • mressinmressin Lego City... erm LondonMember Posts: 843
    edited August 2012
    ^ I noticed. On BL, there is only 1 seller that has it, but it's not in the list of known colours.

    I really wished they'd have come up with a more innovative windscreen solution for the B-Wing, really. I love the set, but the windscreen is a real bummer.
  • lulwutlulwut Member Posts: 417
    Same complaint here on the windscreen. It just looks tacky.
  • JverweijJverweij Member Posts: 16
    love the B-Wing! for me it is an iconic ship. I will however not be buying this, because of the scale. I would have preferred a minifigscale B-Wing. The last release had alot of room for improvement (especially in the cockpit).
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,453

    The windscreen on the UCS B-Wing is ugly, why did they have to use the Jedi Windscreen? That is terrible. :(

    It is overpriced, I must say... When it is 25% off, I'll buy it, not a minute before.

    Hahahaha
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,404
    ^ And I was correct, I didn't buy it until it was at least 25% off. :) Now I have a copy to build that I paid 50% off for, and I'm happy with that.
    Pitfall69
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