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  • PhoenixioPhoenixio Member Posts: 352
    I think Star Wars, at least the original trilogy, had a lot of originality to it.  There's this conflict with layers of mysticism, original characters both good and bad, and it's easy to follow with very little bullshit or nonsense.  I understand the impact this had in cinematography, and it deserves some popularity.

    That being said, the extended universe is a big no (and to me that accounts for 1-2-3 and 7-8-9 as well).  It destroys almost all that was nice about the original trilogy.  The mysticism which was so great because there were only traces of it becomes a mainstay: Jedis EVERYWHERE.  They also tried to add background which was not so required in my opinion: good lore in movies and games leaves much to the imagination, with clues and hints giving some details, but not reenacting everything.  And then the newer stuff is just a big rehash of what had been done before.  And it's too bad because they had decent characters to work with in Rey and Finn.  What a mess they made of them.

    JJ Abrams is a plague upon sci-fi: he doesn't understand it, and doesn't know basic science, and always ruins his movies with stupid shots that make no sense.  It was a huge mistake to put him at the helm of the latest stuff.  And it surprised me that this didn't kill the fandom: there's still a huge community out there, and evidently they're hungry for more as they start releasing series after series.
    Brickchap560Heliportiwybsandhe
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,552
    @Phoenixio A very insightful answer, thank you. I found it really interesting reading a book on the history of flight, which in turn talked about Jules Verne, and in turn, his influence upon the literary (and later movie) genre of science fiction. Verne loved learning about new technologies and ideas being discovered and would do heaps of reading and talking with experts where possible to try and understand these things. Then he would use them in his stories and let his imagination fill in the gaps. With that, I can agree with your last paragraph, turning sci fi from extending plausible ideas, into just big explosions and lasers, lasers and more lasers.
    I agree for its time Star Wars was a very original and creative idea. Yet interestingly as you point out, the franchise has remained for the past 40 years despite a lack of the same magic and imagination that made the originals. For myself, I can think of many great, creative ideas/films that deserve more credit, yet SW has been the one that has become a worldwide phenomenon.
    560HeliportBrickfan50
  • PhoenixioPhoenixio Member Posts: 352
    Brickchap said:
    Yet interestingly as you point out, the franchise has remained for the past 40 years despite a lack of the same magic and imagination that made the originals. 
    There are side projects that worked decently.  The game Jedi Fallen Order, was actually really good and did capture a lot of the magic of the original trilogy, while reconciling with some decisions from 1-2-3.

    And while I don't like the content much, Clone Wars was a beloved series as well, and Lego has been diving into that content more and more.  It might actually sole handedly have saved the franchise for a long time.
    Brickchap
  • BooTheMightyHamsterBooTheMightyHamster Member Posts: 1,560
    edited January 25
    I've grown up with Star Wars - went to see it at the cinema in 1977 when I was ten years old, and have been hooked ever since.  But for a topic that covers films, TV series, animated shows, books (not to mention Lego), it's the OT that springs to mind when I think about it.  As @560Heliport says, one of the things that I like is the grimy, 'lived in' look which is where (imho) the PT fell down a little.  Everything looked ridiculously clean and shiny and - basically - like it had just been rendered in a server farm, rather than built by skilled model makers.  Which, to be fair, was probably the case.

    The sequels are tricky.  I went to see Ep VII and was torn.  Four of us went, and while I and one of the ladies were rapt for two and a bit hours, our respective wives both fell asleep.  Yes, it was basically a rehash of Ep IV, but also... it was a love letter to Star Wars fans.  It was everything we loved, done again with a knowing wink.  On balance, it was great.

    But of the more recent stuff, Solo and particularly Rogue One stand out.  To tell a story when your audience know (roughly) how it's going to end, and to build tension around characters futures when we already know what's going to happen (Han and Chewie are always going to survive, the team at the end of Rogue One are not going to be so lucky) is tricky.  But they're both compelling stories.

    Of the recent TV offerings, Obi-Wan and TBOBF were interesting but The Mandalorian really stood out, being, as it was, a completely separate tale that just happened to be told (and well told at that) in the SW universe.

    Which is why I'm not sure why I'm struggling to engage with Andor - I've only seen the first episode and I have no interest in going any further (although plenty of people tell me I should).  But it ought to be right up my street.

    The thing for me, though, particularly about Ep IV, is that you can write the plot on the back of a postage stamp.  It's right there with the old Saturday morning serials - goodies vs baddies, and the goodies prevail.  Compare that with the prequels and their convoluted tales of tax, trade embargoes and whatnot, and the makers of the later films fall for the same problem that afflicts many - just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

    Simple is often the best, and it doesn't get much simpler than the plot of A New Hope!
    iwybs560Heliportbandit778
  • TheOriginalSimonBTheOriginalSimonB Member Posts: 1,795
    Ain't it great when a discussion about something from the 70s makes you feel young rather than old?  I was only 6 when Star Wars hit the screens (Yes, just plain old Star Wars none of this Episode IV nonsense) and it just hooked me in.  

    I have tried not to buy SW LEGO as all I really want is a UCS X-Wing but there hasn't been one on sale since I got back into LEGO.  Which is why remakes or rehashes are needed.
    560Heliportiwybsdatsunrobbie
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    It is popular now because it is a cultural phenomenon and it is a cultural phenomenon because it is popular.

    I remember seeing it at the cinema in '78. I remember enjoying going to the cinema, seeing the film, eating Woolies pick and mix. I enjoyed ESB and ROTJ, probably the same reasons for enjoying it. I had a Yoda flask and lunchbox, and a few Kenner figures, and the odd comic or book. I had some bubble gum cards. But I don't really remember thinking about it that much after about 1985. I doubt I even watched it again until 2000. Even when it was on TV I never really bothered to watch it.

    I think I enjoyed just about every movie I saw at the cinema when I was a kid. Even crap like Battle Beyond the Stars and Condorman. They were soon forgotten as movies.

    Whereas now I probably watch the OT at  least once a year. I guess it is nostalgia. The backstory of Anakin probably helped reinvigorate it even though it was cool to say you don't like the PT. The characters really help, as they are all just as much icons as the movie itself. How many movies have so many iconic characters? Even small characters are important.

    I think I appreciate the story and the movies as a whole more now than I did as a kid. Same with ET.





    PJ76ukFizyxandheiwybsGothamConstructionCo
  • im2cre8ivim2cre8iv Member Posts: 173
    edited January 25
    Can we move the Star Wars discussion to another thread? This thread is supposed to be about unpopular LEGO opinions.

    I strongly suggest that if you find yourself writing “this might be off-topic, but…” that you stop what you are doing, and start a new thread.
    WesterBrickskarritBriking
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,552
    @im2cre8iv We were discussing Star Wars anyway and I did offer to discuss my post in PM.
    I'll let others decide whether we want to continue this discussion here or in another thread. Is there a way to export comments to a new thread?
    560Heliport
  • PhoenixioPhoenixio Member Posts: 352
    im2cre8iv said:
    Can we move the Star Wars discussion to another thread? This thread is supposed to be about unpopular LEGO opinions.
    It was highly related to Lego, seeing how popular that franchise is within the brand.  Other Lego fans might wonder why this popularity subsists, and why so much of Lego's resources are still spent on this IP.

    Honestly, I think it's a little rude to stop a discussion that had wings.  Forums aren't about posting self-centered tweets/statements, but rather about stimulating different types of discussions between members.  You meant well, but it would have faded after a few posts.
    BrickchapWesterBrickspxchris560HeliportiwybsKeilupbandit778
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,552
    @CCC That is definitely a popular opinion. But you posted it in the unpopular opinions thread! -gasp!- so You are hereby charged with heresy by the Holy Church, duh duh duh
    Eurobricks is like the Spanish Inquisition, except they are always expected and unlike Monty Python, are no fun.
    560Heliport
  • im2cre8ivim2cre8iv Member Posts: 173
    edited February 1
    pxchris said:
    Going off-topic is kinda our M.O.
    I thought that was just in the leaks thread? 😉
    Phoenixio said:
    Honestly, I think it's a little rude to stop a discussion that had wings. 
    <snip>
    You meant well, but it would have faded after a few posts.
    Honestly I think it is rude to hijack a thread topic, just because it has a large audience. And if the conversation had wings, why would it would fade after a few posts? 😕


    The angry mob has spoken (I now know a little of what @Brickchap must feel quite often). I will diminish, and go into the west. At least I was successful in posting something unpopular in the unpopular opinions thread!
    andhepxchrisarathemisBOBJACK_JACKBOBMaffyD
  • IstokgIstokg Member Posts: 2,366
    Well I'll get back on topic... Unpopular opinions... Sad that Brickset owner announced that Brickset will likely shut down after November 2023, due to flagging interest on the site.

    I will give my unpopular opinion on this... I know that many folks have lost interest here due to this forums incessant discussions about Minifigures.  Whenever a thread is about them (which is very frequent), they get a lot of views and LIKES.  Most other topics are of much lower interest here in recent years.  I know many folks have left here and started Facebook pages related to other topics of interest besides Minifigures... some pages getting over 100,000 members.
    BOBJACK_JACKBOB
  • LyichirLyichir Member Posts: 1,027
    Istokg said:
    Well I'll get back on topic... Unpopular opinions... Sad that Brickset owner announced that Brickset will likely shut down after November 2023, due to flagging interest on the site.

    I will give my unpopular opinion on this... I know that many folks have lost interest here due to this forums incessant discussions about Minifigures.  Whenever a thread is about them (which is very frequent), they get a lot of views and LIKES.  Most other topics are of much lower interest here in recent years.  I know many folks have left here and started Facebook pages related to other topics of interest besides Minifigures... some pages getting over 100,000 members.
    It's just the forums that are going to be shutting down, right? Not the main Brickset site/catalog?

    These forums have always been a little odd compared to other forums since the topics largely focus on either set news, collecting-focused discussion, or general discussion topics rather than MOCs and such. But in general I think the reason why Facebook pages are more active than the Brickset forums has more to do with the general shift in the internet toward social media and away from single-topic forums (for better or for worse). Sites like Eurobricks also feel far less active than they were in their heyday.

    Aanchir560HeliportBumblepantspxchrisFizyxModeltrainmanandheFollowsCloselyKeilup
  • ModeltrainmanModeltrainman Member Posts: 1,317
    Lyichir said:
    Istokg said:
    Well I'll get back on topic... Unpopular opinions... Sad that Brickset owner announced that Brickset will likely shut down after November 2023, due to flagging interest on the site.

    I will give my unpopular opinion on this... I know that many folks have lost interest here due to this forums incessant discussions about Minifigures.  Whenever a thread is about them (which is very frequent), they get a lot of views and LIKES.  Most other topics are of much lower interest here in recent years.  I know many folks have left here and started Facebook pages related to other topics of interest besides Minifigures... some pages getting over 100,000 members.
    It's just the forums that are going to be shutting down, right? Not the main Brickset site/catalog?
    To my knowledge.
    FollowsCloselygmonkey76
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,552
    edited February 2
    Unpopular opinion: I never understood what's so good about the Pet Store modular building.
    Disclaimer I don't like pets, but that didn't really affect my decision that much.
    Pet Store was our first (and only 1 of 2) residential modular building. But the apartment building is completely empty!! Having boxes and a painter I think is a great idea for a MOC builder wanting to save pieces; but for an official set, when the other building has a full interior, it's called laziness or a poor design choice.
    The architecture is also nothing special to me, not bad, but definitely not great. (even when only comparing it with its contemporaries, let alone more recent modulars).
    There were no particularly interesting features about it aside from splitting in two, which has now also been done with Bookstore, and either way isn't THAT amazing.
    Bumblepantsiwybs
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,730
    Brickchap said:
    Unpopular opinion: I never understood what's so good about the Pet Store modular building.
    Disclaimer I don't like pets, but that didn't really affect my decision that much.
    Pet Store was our first (and only 1 of 2) residential modular building. But the apartment building is completely empty!! Having boxes and a painter I think is a great idea for a MOC builder wanting to save pieces; but for an official set, when the other building has a full interior, it's called laziness or a poor design choice.
    The architecture is also nothing special to me, not bad, but definitely not great. (even when only comparing it with its contemporaries, let alone more recent modulars).
    There were no particularly interesting features about it aside from splitting in two, which has now also been done with Bookstore, and either way isn't THAT amazing.
    At the time it was novel. Older modulars were all pretty empty. Iirc Parisian Restaurant was the first to really fill out the interior.
    andheWesterBricksFizyxFollowsCloselyiwybsAanchirCymbelinedaewoogmonkey76
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    Lyichir said:
    Istokg said:
    Well I'll get back on topic... Unpopular opinions... Sad that Brickset owner announced that Brickset will likely shut down after November 2023, due to flagging interest on the site.

    I will give my unpopular opinion on this... I know that many folks have lost interest here due to this forums incessant discussions about Minifigures.  Whenever a thread is about them (which is very frequent), they get a lot of views and LIKES.  Most other topics are of much lower interest here in recent years.  I know many folks have left here and started Facebook pages related to other topics of interest besides Minifigures... some pages getting over 100,000 members.
    It's just the forums that are going to be shutting down, right? Not the main Brickset site/catalog?

    These forums have always been a little odd compared to other forums since the topics largely focus on either set news, collecting-focused discussion, or general discussion topics rather than MOCs and such. But in general I think the reason why Facebook pages are more active than the Brickset forums has more to do with the general shift in the internet toward social media and away from single-topic forums (for better or for worse). Sites like Eurobricks also feel far less active than they were in their heyday.


    That was possibly the biggest thing that made the brickset forum different to other lego forums. There was a policy banning the showcasing of MOCs.

    https://forum.brickset.com/discussion/2529/faq-can-we-discuss-mocs-here#latest

    The focus on sets and collecting was understandable given the nature of brickSET. I don't think it was necessarily good or bad, just different. 

    I've used eurobricks and brickset forums for over a decade. Brickset for collecting type information and discussion and trading and EB for more creative topics, not just MOCs but also cutting and painting, etc. Both are very different forums. BS is more easy going and eurobricks is more strict, but both have their place. I don't mind the often heavy handed policing approach on EB, as you know what it is. EB has declined too, but not anywhere near as much as here. I imagine that is because of the MOC based posts that keep it going.

    I think a lot of it is down to changing populations of LEGO builders and collectors and what people want to discuss. Hauls, "look at how much LEGO I have" type videos and images and "my top 10 about ..." seem to be more popular than discussion  of "look at what I have built". As LEGO has become more of a mainstream collectable that naturally follows.
     
    This will probably be my most unpopular statement ever: I'm no longer that bothered if the forum goes. My usage has gone down a lot since the announcement. It seems a lot of collecting discussion here is redundant now, especially since the main site has what is essentially a time dependent specific subject forum underneath every new collectable/adult set released. The lack of investment opportunities killed of the reselling thread years ago. While controversial to some, that was always an interesting read. I used to trade frequently here, and also used to buy stuff here to send to others, here or in the US, and vice versa. That is maybe once in a year now. There are better places to read about new parts and their usage. Obviously MOCs / creativity is better elsewhere. The drop in user numbers is significant although I'm still in contact with a few ex-forum users elsewhere. The activity here is definitely way down. The forum used to be my first site to look at each day and I'd return probably 10 times a day or more but I wouldn't use the main site as much. Whereas now I look at the main site more frequently, but other sites and blogs get visited first and the forum maybe once every couple of days now. Secret Santa is still fun although less so if you get someone rather unknown that rarely posts.

    It definitely isn't what it was and personally I don't think it has anything to do with minifigures. I think it is just that the hobby has changed as society and social media has changed. LEGO is much more mainstream now, with more opportunities to see and discuss it everywhere, and you don't need to come here to talk about LEGO. I never thought I'd say this but I really understand if Huw doesn't keep funding it and instead focuses on the main site for news and reviews. That is what is bringing the money in. The comments sections there will no doubt remain and they are what have possibly killed off new sets type discussions here. The forum probably isn't worth it for so few people. I also don't think it will survive a move. There are enough other forums around that it would just become yet another one with no real connection to the site or the original forum.

    andheBumblepants
  • PhoenixioPhoenixio Member Posts: 352
    Yeah it's all about the history of the line.  Cafe Corner and Market Street are totally empty inside.  From Green Grocer to Palace Cinema, the interior progressively had more and more details, until Parisian Restaurant which was fully decorated inside.  The Pet Store came in the middle of this.

    It was also the first set in the series that was even more modular than before by being split.  There were 4-5 before that had essentially established the baseplate as the "unit", so it was a great surprise to get two buildings in one.  It took 9 subsequent sets to get another divisible one, that's almost 9 years in between.

    Looking back, I think it was a really original idea to put a painter and boxes: not all apartments in a city are constantly occupied, and this was a clever and realistic way to cut on the piece count.
    WesterBricksFizyxgmonkey76
  • LyichirLyichir Member Posts: 1,027
    Phoenixio said:
    Yeah it's all about the history of the line.  Cafe Corner and Market Street are totally empty inside.  From Green Grocer to Palace Cinema, the interior progressively had more and more details, until Parisian Restaurant which was fully decorated inside.  The Pet Store came in the middle of this.

    It was also the first set in the series that was even more modular than before by being split.  There were 4-5 before that had essentially established the baseplate as the "unit", so it was a great surprise to get two buildings in one.  It took 9 subsequent sets to get another divisible one, that's almost 9 years in between.

    Looking back, I think it was a really original idea to put a painter and boxes: not all apartments in a city are constantly occupied, and this was a clever and realistic way to cut on the piece count.
    Agreed with this post. I also felt like having only one apartment furnished made the two buildings feel less repetitive than they might've if they both had to have more or less the same basic fixtures, and was a fun story starter (as prospective tenants could tour the vacant apartment or refurnish it to their liking). The new Friends set #41732 takes that earlier concept a little further with an apartment that's under renovation and a furniture/interior design store that you can pick and choose furnishings from.

    Another feature of the Pet Shop that was fairly novel at the time (though less so now) was the toilet included under the stairs of the vacant apartment. Nowadays in themes like City and Friends those have become a relatively common feature, but back when the Pet Shop released there were no other modular buildings that included them despite being a ubiquitous and necessary feature in real life! Since then several other modulars have included toilets, including the Detective's Office (which included a public stall-type toilet), the Boutique Hotel (which included a full bath in its topmost suite), and now the Jazz Club (which uses the space under the stairs similarly to how Pet Shop originally did).
    iwybsWesterBricksPhoenixioFizyx
  • AanchirAanchir Member Posts: 3,044
    Phoenixio said:
    Yeah it's all about the history of the line.  Cafe Corner and Market Street are totally empty inside.  From Green Grocer to Palace Cinema, the interior progressively had more and more details, until Parisian Restaurant which was fully decorated inside.  The Pet Store came in the middle of this.

    It was also the first set in the series that was even more modular than before by being split.  There were 4-5 before that had essentially established the baseplate as the "unit", so it was a great surprise to get two buildings in one.  It took 9 subsequent sets to get another divisible one, that's almost 9 years in between.
    The second, if you count Market Street (I don't mean to reignite the debate about whether or not to count it as part of the series, just pointing out that the concept was already out there, and that Jamie probably made a choice not to release another "split" building until Market Street had been off the shelves for a few years)!
    And that set's modularity even went one step further, in that the roof modules could be switched between the left and right sides, and the upper story modules could be rotated to face different directions according to the builders' tastes! We haven't really seen any other Modular Buildings that do either of those things.
    Jamie's "inspiration model" from the back of the Cafe Corner's box was a 16-wide design as well, and its front stair and the decorative moulding above the door were both big inspirations for Market Street's brownstone apartment.

    But Pet Shop did still stand out from either of those predecessors by having a separate BUILDING on each 16x32 baseplate. By comparison, the townhouse from the Cafe Corner box lacked any neighboring "unit", and Market Street used its left-hand "unit" for a covered alleyway rather than a full building.
    The neighboring properties might have also helped make the set more appealing to people who'd skipped over previous Modular Buildings at the same price point. Even if it's no bigger than most of those sets — and much smaller than the Green Grocer in particular! — a lot of folks might have still been more willing to pay that price for two buildings than just one.
    Plus, the narrower building facades were a little closer to the size fans of other minifig-scale themes like Town and City were likely used to, whereas those same builders might've been more reluctant to start collecting individual houses or shops large enough to dwarf some of their LEGO castles!

    Besides the pets (which were an adorable part of the early 2010s shift towards more detailed printed animals), I think a big part of why Pet Shop appealed so much to me personally was that even with only one fully furnished building, it had a lot of nice interior features that previous buildings had lacked, like a bedroom, bathroom, and residential basement/crawl space. Most of my preferred "play themes" have always been ones with more of a fantasy or sci-fi premise/setting, but when I did build modern-day stuff, it was mostly everyday stuff I knew from real life: stuff like my house, my classrooms, my college dorm, my mom's car, or my dad's SUV. So a Modular Building that felt like home really appealed to me!
    Previously, the most identifiable residential property in the series was the Green Grocer's upstairs apartment complex, which lacked even a single bedroom or bathroom. And that was especially glaring when the mailboxes downstairs suggested at least four tenants! Even if you added your own custom furnishings to that set, it'd be tricky to fit enough dividing walls AND beds for all the other tenants!
    Not only were these lifestyle features a relative novelty, they were beautifully constructed for their time. Today, themes like Friends, Creator, and Ideas/Icons offer plenty of beds with soft, cozy-looking quilts/comforters. And toilets have become a relatively common fixture in Friends, City, and Creator sets alike. But back in 2011, the Friends theme didn't exist, Creator houses were still even more sparsely furnished than Modular Buildings, and City sets rarely had a bed that was much more than a 2x6 slab with a white piece serving as a pillow, let alone a toilet! So getting those sorts of features at such a true-to-life level of detail was a big deal to me.

    I dunno how much these factors impacted OTHER people's purchasing decisions, but the popularity of the set certainly doesn't surprise me, and I'm glad that many of those strengths that were fairly unique at the time have since become a normal and expected part of the Modular Buildings Collection, and of other themes more generally.
    CymbelineiwybsLASEWesterBricksBrickchapPhoenixioLyichirFizyx
  • PhoenixioPhoenixio Member Posts: 352
    Aanchir said:
    And that was especially glaring when the mailboxes downstairs suggested at least four tenants! Even if you added your own custom furnishings to that set, it'd be tricky to fit enough dividing walls AND beds for all the other tenants!
    Triple-deckers, that's your answer!
    560HeliportCymbeline
  • Sethro3Sethro3 Member Posts: 1,016
    @Aanchir I actually thought the Green Grocer with the multiple mailboxes could have been a mailbox block for other businesses or residences. I never assumed it was 4 tenants. But that could also make sense. I figured it was like my work where they have a whole strip mall of mailboxes.
  • Speedman29Speedman29 Member Posts: 2,338
    Been dusting and rearranging some shelves in the LEGO room. The Speed Champions shelf is overloaded now with some 6wides in the City street and some on the shelf and 8wides on my desk and the floor. While seperating them out it struck me that since the move to 8wide, we don't get a little bit of scenery or a trophy with the cars. The first couple of two car 8wides came with the gantry to display with them, but nothing since. I really liked the extra bits of the 6wide, the wind tunnel with the Senna, the graphic designers board with the 720, the podium with the GT40s. The GWP Taxi that came with the piece of pavement and taxi tank was great. 
    I do appreciate that it decreases the part count for the actaul car, but it didn't need to be much.
    560HeliportLo1sJessMarshallmarioBrickchap
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,552
    ^Well my unpopular opinion is Lego should have stuck to 6 wide. Sure, 8 wide can sometimes allow for more detail but they were doing fine with 6 wide and creating some lovely 6 wide cars. Furthermore, lots of Lego fans display their SC either in a city, or alongside City/Creator/other themes vehicles which are all 6 wide (or 4 wide in some cases), so by making SC cars 8 wide they instantly become incompatible with most other Lego themes and layouts. Like technically an 8 wide car can fit on City road plates/road baseplates, but either way they still look too big.
    I also agree many of the sidebuilds were a really nice addition.
    canon03Brickfan50
  • legobodlegobod Member Posts: 334
    Bionicle is what I couldn't remember the name of.
    No interest in goats either.
  • AanchirAanchir Member Posts: 3,044
    Brickchap said:
    ^Well my unpopular opinion is Lego should have stuck to 6 wide. Sure, 8 wide can sometimes allow for more detail but they were doing fine with 6 wide and creating some lovely 6 wide cars. Furthermore, lots of Lego fans display their SC either in a city, or alongside City/Creator/other themes vehicles which are all 6 wide (or 4 wide in some cases), so by making SC cars 8 wide they instantly become incompatible with most other Lego themes and layouts.
    You're right that City and Friends vehicles are usually four or six-wide, but eight-wide was a pretty common size for Creator vehicles long before the Speed Champions theme existed — and many Creator cars and trucks are even larger than that!


    I definitely get your point about compatibility, and I doubt that opinion is even all that unpopular! But I also see why the 8-wide designs have been popular with builders who are interested in the sets as model/replica car builds rather than as parts of a larger layout.
    560HeliportBrickchapiwybsLyichirMarshallmario
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,552
    @Aanchir Agreed, I recently built the Aston Martin DB5 and it looks excellent as a model car. However I am rather annoyed I can't use it in my city. After all, there are already numerous excellent die cast model car toys out there and as I said personally I found most of Lego's 6 wide SC cars to be perfectly fine, indeed many looked great; thus to me it makes a lot more sense to make both nice model cars, while at the same time allowing compatibility with other themes. You are correct about Creator cars. I guess my rebuttal of that would be that usually they weren't specifically designed or necessarily intended for minifigs (although many do fit minifigures), whereas SC cars are clearly very much intended for minifigs and minifigure scale. Some people argued that SC cars should be 8 wide to have a driver and passenger sit side by side. That's true, but then Lego has clearly proven one can make 6 wide cars that sit minifigures comfortably side by side, and frankly I found the argument strange since SC cars rarely come with more than 1 minifigure, while in real life racing car drivers also tend to race solo.
    Brickfan50
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,552
    @Bumblepants While I sort of agree, at the same time there are occasionally ordinary wide release sets that just never turn up in Australia (not sure why) like the Creator 3 in 1 Park Animals.
    Other examples are the second wave Mickey & Friends sets, Wonder Woman First World War set (outside of Lego stores even though the WW84 set was released to regular stores), City Fire Engine (2017?? I think it was, it was a hook & ladder truck with a tall abandoned building), there are other examples I don't recall at the moment.
    560Heliport
  • daewoodaewoo Member Posts: 851
    I refuse to watch set reviews or haul videos or most videos that don't show techniques.  Quite frankly, a lot of the videos out there are nothing more than brags.
    The_RancorkarritBumblepantsMr_CrossBrickfan50vizzitoreggshen
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,730
    daewoo said:
    I refuse to watch set reviews or haul videos or most videos that don't show techniques.  Quite frankly, a lot of the videos out there are nothing more than brags.
    Well how else will you know what a set box looks like? Looking at it in the store or online yourself? Ridiculous 
    Mr_CrossvizzitorOldfanWesterBricksdaewooeggshen
  • andheandhe Member Posts: 4,002
    Probably not unpopular but I find it hilarious when Lego Reddit posts are like 'finally got my white whale!' and it's just a current release set bought at retail price available at multiple retailers and has been for a long period of time.

    I think it's just the exaggerated terminology of our time. A post titled 'Finally saved up enough to get a I've wanted for a while' isn't quite as exciting as 'OMG you won't believe what GRAIL item I found!'


    vizzitorpxchrisBumblepants
  • vizzitorvizzitor Member Posts: 533
    andhe said:
    Probably not unpopular but I find it hilarious when Lego Reddit posts are like 'finally got my white whale!' and it's just a current release set bought at retail price available at multiple retailers and has been for a long period of time.

    I think it's just the exaggerated terminology of our time. A post titled 'Finally saved up enough to get a I've wanted for a while' isn't quite as exciting as 'OMG you won't believe what GRAIL item I found!'


    I think it's usually used by the same people who say "we need X" instead of "I'd like to see X" or "no one asked for Y" in place of "this Y isn't something I'm interested in".
    Phoenixio560HeliportWesterBricksBumblepantsandheMarshallmarioMr_Crosspvp3020Cymbeline
  • binaryeyebinaryeye Member Posts: 1,831
    vizzitor said:
    I think it's usually used by the same people who say "we need X" instead of "I'd like to see X" or "no one asked for Y" in place of "this Y isn't something I'm interested in".
    The one I dislike most along these lines is "we haven't gotten X". I often see this in various fan communities, specifically for gaming and TV shows. For example, if a game is in development or a TV show is between seasons, "They haven't given us new content for months!" As if they're entitled to something beyond the product simply because they're fans.
    WesterBricks560Heliportvizzitorpvp3020Cymbeline
  • FauchFauch Member Posts: 2,712
    I often hear game companies being blamed for trying to milk players, but rarely players being blamed for constantly asking for new content for free. game companies have to milk a minority so a majority can play without spending a cent and that's still not enough for some of them.
    560HeliportFizyxBumblepantsdaewoo
  • RedbullgivesuwindRedbullgivesuwind Member Posts: 2,142
    I think this is a very specific me thing but I hate Lego castle MOCs that people create where all the soldiers are dressed in maille, all have the same surcoats and there are no pesants or variety. then they sell it as historically accurate. 
    WesterBricks560HeliportCymbelineThe_Rancor
  • WesterBricksWesterBricks Member Posts: 968
    ^ I've never thought about it, but now it bothers me too.
    Redbullgivesuwind
  • Lo1sJessLo1sJess Member Posts: 709
    @Redbullgivesuwind agree bring on the peasants, merchants, tradesmen and all needed to support those soldiers and that those soldiers defend.  And don’t forget the goats🙃
    CymbelineBrickchapRedbullgivesuwindMarshallmario
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,552
    While I agree, I can't really blame anyone because Lego peasants are so rare. (and we only ever got one nobleman in the Kingdoms Joust set). Plus aside from maybe some pirate torsos (which still look wrong), there aren't any historically appropriate minifigs for medieval civilians.
  • Lo1sJessLo1sJess Member Posts: 709
    @Brickchap I hadn’t really thought about what minifigs there are/aren’t to fill in a medieval village.  
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,552
    @Lo1sJess Yeah peasants, merchants, tradesmen etc. as you suggested need to look appropriate for the era. You can't have them walking around in hoodies or even suits lol.
    Lo1sJess
  • mhe4mhe4 Member Posts: 47
    This thread sparked my thoughts, but didn't want to hijack it:

    I like the old style, 1970's/1980's Lego instructions.  They were vague, took concentration to get the build right, required stud counting to figure out where the darn piece really went, and left some building to the imagination.  The modern instructions take the creativity (?, not the right word, but can't come up with a better one) out of building official Lego sets.  The modern instructions spoon feed you with the number and type of each piece in each step, highlight exactly where to put them, and sometimes have just 1 piece placed per step.  I suspect a monkey could be trained to follow them.  I still love Lego and the modern sets are by far more complex with many more specialized pieces and newer building techniques which do require some additional detail to help builders succeed, but I think TLG has gone too far to the paint-by-number level of detail.

    Somehow I was able to put sets together when I was a child using the vague old style instructions and it was fun and the sets came out right (eventually).  When they didn't, I would tear it down and figure out where I went wrong.  That was part of the fun and learning of building Lego.

    The views expressed are my own and you may disagree (but you would be wrong).  JK.  :)
    vizzitor560Heliportbandit778CymbelinepxchrisdatsunrobbieKeilupSethro3Brickfan50
  • vizzitorvizzitor Member Posts: 533
    I think there are just too many parts now that would look similar from the isometric view in the instructions for the multi-part, no number of parts box-out type of instructions to work in most cases now.
    I do think they could easily add more parts to each step to lower the page count and reduce the hand-holding, especially in sets targeted at adults. Maybe that might not work for attracting more first time builders though.
    560HeliportLo1sJessBrickchapFizyxCymbelinepvp3020Oldfan
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,552
    @vizzitor I agree, there are a number of parts that are very similar (and colours too). But yeah the 1 brick per step is definitely overkill, certainly for adults.
    Oldfan
  • karritkarrit Member Posts: 1,070
    edited March 31
    I'm getting a bit weary of having to wade through all the recently resurrected old, should have remained dead, threads that really have no relevance to present day sets, collecting, software, lego issues, third party products, etc .  I wish there was a way to ignore posts by certain members.  Other members commenting about such in those, should have remained dead, threads thus keeping their resurrections going doesn’t help either.  I know I could just not open to read such threads but there really is no way of knowing it was something that should have remained dead until one actually reads the thread unfortunately.
    Brickchap
  • WesterBricksWesterBricks Member Posts: 968
    edited March 31
    ^ My anxiety naturally has me wondering if it’s me.

    In fairness, several chat bots have been resurrecting random old threads recently.
    karrit
  • karritkarrit Member Posts: 1,070
    No, definitely not you.  I know a few were chatbots.
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