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  • BobflipBobflip Member Posts: 626
    edited August 27
    Phoenixio said:
    To me the issue of digital vs physical comes from digital not containing the restrictions that physical bricks have.  Beautiful design, but it collapses instantly?  Good for you for making a beautiful painting with the paint not sticking to the canvas.  It's not that the idea is bad, it's that it's not fully LEGO if you don't take all its limitations into account.  You might as well be building Megablocks there! :P

    Some games/software sometimes show where structures are fragile, maybe that needs to be incorporated into LEGO design software as well.
    Stud.io has a stability error/warning system built in.
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,552
    I don't see the problem if digital builds are impossible in real life. adding physics would be complicated and could make building models more tedious. it's pretty cool to have the option to build stuff that is impossible in real life. a better improvement would be optimizing the rendering so it doesn't get super slow with dozens of thousand of bricks in a model.
    BrickchapiwybsCasper_vd_Korf
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Minnesota, USMember Posts: 4,573
    I’m not so against digital-only designs submitted to Ideas. It allows more creativity for more people, and if there are physical problems that didn’t show up digitally, Lego would sort that out if they select the project to be released.
    BrickchapThe_Rancoriwybslowlead
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Northern VirginiaAdministrator, Moderator Posts: 5,232
    How many digital only builds made the review?  And of those, did any get selected?
    lowlead
  • lowleadlowlead USAMember Posts: 218
    How many digital only builds made the review?  And of those, did any get selected?
    Curious about this as well...I haven't really paid close enough attention, tbh.
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Minnesota, USMember Posts: 4,573
    edited August 31
    How many digital only builds made the review?  And of those, did any get selected?
    The Wallace and Gromit one that made the review only had renders. As people pointed out at the time, at least the sheep looked unbuildable.
    KungFuKennyYellowcastle
  • MaffyDMaffyD West YorkshireMember Posts: 3,047
    I am constantly amazed by what some people achieve within Minecraft. It does not matter to me one iota that it was all digital. My daughter produces digital art as part of her degree and will almost certainly be using digital art in her chosen profession afterwards. Her work impresses me greatly as well.

    I see no reason to dislike digital Lego builds just because it is not 'real' Lego. But I do like to know if it is digital or physical, because I am impressed by different things depending on the medium.

    Ideas projects need to be totally doable in the brick though, even if the creator cannot afford the build it completely physically, they need to ensure the change in medium doesn't lead to a physics issue. That sheep looks... delicate.
    iwybsBrickchapKungFuKennyBJ21AyliffeFizyxpxchris
  • KungFuKennyKungFuKenny Somewhere between Ice Station Odyssey and FabulandMember Posts: 2,103
    edited August 31
    How many digital only builds made the review?  And of those, did any get selected?
    The Wallace and Gromit one that made the review only had renders. As people pointed out at the time, at least the sheep looked unbuildable.
    Ah Wallace and Gromit, we hardly knew you… (sheds a tear).

    I did think that sheep build was quite ewenique…
    Cymbeline560HeliportAstrobricksYellowcastleveyniacMarshallmariogmonkey76
  • BobflipBobflip Member Posts: 626
    Wow. That's definitely what can go wrong with digi builds. The red and purple band "around" the waist is a calamity.
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,552
    pretty cool that you can merge cheese slopes in digital. can you make 4D lego models ?
  • bricktuarybricktuary Krakozhia (temporarily stuck in London)Member Posts: 869
    4D?
  • The_RancorThe_Rancor Dorset, UKMember Posts: 2,000
    4D?
    Models that transcend space and time?
    560HeliportYellowcastleAstrobricks
  • daewoodaewoo DFWMember Posts: 622
    Fauch said:
    I don't see the problem if digital builds are impossible in real life. adding physics would be complicated and could make building models more tedious. it's pretty cool to have the option to build stuff that is impossible in real life. a better improvement would be optimizing the rendering so it doesn't get super slow with dozens of thousand of bricks in a model.
    To each his own, but for me, if it cannot be rendered in physical elements, then it is not impressive because it's not actually possible. Want to impress me? Build it in the real word. Again though, to each his own.
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Minnesota, USMember Posts: 4,573
    Insert meme <The number of Tumblers is just too damn high!>
    BumblepantsYellowcastlegmonkey76
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,834
    lowlead said:
    CCC said:
    There are other barriers, such as will this design actually hold together once built.
    Are you referring to glitches in the digital program that allow illegal connections, or tenuous and overly-delicate designs?  A physical build does not necessarily mean it's a robust one, regardless of the source of its design.
    There are plenty of physical MOCs that look wonderful in a photograph, but disintegrate if you dare pick it up.  I have encountered this occasional pitfall when building other creators' designs - it warrants careful study and/or modification. 
    It has already been pretty much answered by others, for me it is the physics. You can build things that would fall over, break connection, would need glue, or would need levitating parts in digital builds. Sure a physical build doesn't mean it is robust, but the designer will soon know that once built.
  • BrickchapBrickchap AustraliaMember Posts: 521
    Firstly Id like to ask the digital build haters, if Jamie Bernard or Mike Psaki built a new modular building say using Lego Digital Designer, Studio or whatever, would you argue that it was not a proper Lego design, that it was bad and that Jamie and Mike were not worthy of being considered designers?

    Secondly, would you argue that the music written by Beethoven when he was deaf is not music because he was hearing it in his head and could see it reflected on the manuscript but couldnt actually hear it? He knew his music was correct and sounded amazing, but he couldnt physically hear it therefore all those pieces were atrocious noise that should not be considered great music?

    I do not understand the hate against digital Lego MOCs. For starters, its the exact same thing as real Lego except that it is represented digitally.

    I find it very ignorant and rude actually to claim that all Lego fans who make digital designs use illegal techniques and dont make their builds sturdy. Some dont, some do.

    I personally always try and make sure everything is connected properly and reinforced, the same as I would if building physically.
    I like to build old cars and I believe my digital builds are a lot more durable then a lot of old car MOCs out there. Many of the old car MOCs I see on the internet that are built with real bricks look amazing, often very close to the source material and include lots of NPU. But even the designers often admit that their models are very, very fragile and would only be good for sitting on a shelf or in a city and never moved. There is no way a child could even pick them up in some cases without at least some parts falling off, or even main sections of the build collapsing.

    Just because its a physical build, doesnt mean its perfect or that it has been tested. In fact, some builds stress the bricks (which is technically 'illegal', something not possible to do in LDD.
    Conversely, just because a build is digital doesnt mean the designer has not tested specific sections with real bricks, or done the actual maths/physics and so forth to see if something will work. Yes, it can be easier to see if a model is sturdy when it is physical but that doesnt mean a digital build cannot be physical. Sure, its easier for a person with good vision to play piano but that doesnt mean a blind person cant play piano either.

    Id also like to address the claim that people who dont build their Lego Ideas projects with real bricks 'dont care' about their project or havent put much effort in. That claim is WRONG. Just because its digital doesnt mean the person doesnt believe in their project.
    After all, look at the amount of childish MOCs on Lego Ideas that are built out of real bricks. Would you seriously argue that a multi coloured mish mash of official sets is better than a highly detailed MOC with lots of NPU (and built by someone who is actually old enough to be on Lego Ideas in the first place) simply because the kid's project is made of real bricks??

    Lego Ideas contributors put a LOT of time and effort into their projects, regardless of whether its digital or physical. Im one of them. Ive also seen many good projects, both digital and physical, not reach the 10,000 supporters but that was not due to lack of effort, or because the project happened to be digital, it was due to other factors like people just werent interested in the subject material or perhaps a better project of the same sort of thing had already been posted.

    Whether someone chooses to build with physical bricks or not is due to a variety of factors, it doesnt mean that they are lazy or cant build.

    My favourite Lego activity is building minifigures. Its very difficult to get the minfig parts I want, but digitally I have a wide range of minfigure parts to choose from, and in any colour I need. I often make Lego versions of real people and I always use the pieces which best represent the person. Why would I use a hair piece for example that looks nothing like the real person just because it is the right colour when I could use a hairpiece that is near perfect, colour it what I want, and makes a very good representation of that person? There remains a decent chance that Lego would release the piece in the colour I want in the future, especially as I say if this is for an Ideas or World Builder project and it is possible my project would be made into a real set.

    The haters argue: "Why would you support a project that the designer doesnt believe in enough to build it digitally?" I think most people support a project because they like it or it is an excellent build, perhaps it brings back an old theme. If youre going to disregard a project simply because its built digitally then I hope youre not going to disregard projects simply because the designer is a certain race or gender...

    There are many reasons why someone may choose to use digital bricks to make a Lego Ideas project, and why they may not be able to, or may simply choose not to, build that project with real bricks. A number of projects Ive seen present their model digitally and then later on, when there are a number of supporters, they will build their model with real bricks.

    For me, I think given all the factors that can affect whether a project succeeds or not, why bother building it with real bricks. You can have a great model that you believe in, and that many others believe in, but there could just be one little thing that Lego doesnt like, or some reason out of your control that the project just doesnt get as many supporters as you had hoped.

    Recently I posted a whole world to Lego World Builder. Ive worked on it for months, researching, trying different ideas, building MOCs digitally (which still takes a lot of time) and rendering pictures as well as finding era-appropriate backgrounds for my pictures. I believed in my project and would argue it is some of my best work to date.

    As of 2/9/2021 I have 7 likes and 3 comments. Thats despite getting on the main page and trending for a while, despite having lots of complete ideas (rather then just concepts) and what I believe to be good quality models and a very well thought out idea. Yet 7 likes is even less supporters than my first ever Lego Ideas project got, and that project was definitely not my best work.

    Looking at other projects Ive found that only a handful can even get above double figure supporters. Any project with above 20 supporters is considered amazing and popular. There are a couple with supporters in the hundreds although they were on the website when it was first released and received a lot of views. There are many great projects on Lego World Builder but the main problem is a significant lack of site traffic.

    Of all the new projects posted (of which there are plenty of good ideas) the vast majority of projects are lucky to get 5 supporters, let alone any feedback. This is not because they are bad, or because they are digital, simply because there just isnt enough people viewing the website.

    Therefore, why would I, or anyone else, bother spending a whole lot of money and time building projects out of real bricks, to get 5 supporters if we are lucky?

    Is that really worth it?? I, and Im sure many others, believe in our projects and have worked very hard to make them yet theres no result. Had I known at the start that any new LWB projects will never go anywhere, I would have never made my project digitally, let alone with real bricks.
    560HeliportiwybsveyniacWesterBricksSumoLego
  • BrickchapBrickchap AustraliaMember Posts: 521
    Hey if people dont want to read long comments thats your prerogative but why do people bother writing a comment saying they didnt read a comment???

    It's basically "I think reading someone else's post is a waste of my time so I'm going to waste my time writing a comment letting everyone know I think its a waste of time"

    LOL I swear there are Australian politicians on this forum sometimes...
    560HeliportSumoLego
  • iwybsiwybs PlutoMember Posts: 177
    Most selected Ideas projects get so completely rebuilt by the Lego set designers that I treat the build posted on Ideas as more of an inspirational or notional sketch than a production model.  I don't expect the build I see to be the build I get.  With that in mind, the sweater on the sheep, though completely impossible to build IRL, is not completely unforgiveable.  The project designer wanted to show that the sheep should have a sweater.  That's all.
    BrickchapKungFuKennyYellowcastleandhe
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,834
    Brickchap said:
    Firstly Id like to ask the digital build haters, if Jamie Bernard or Mike Psaki built a new modular building say using Lego Digital Designer, Studio or whatever, would you argue that it was not a proper Lego design, that it was bad and that Jamie and Mike were not worthy of being considered designers?


    If it was sold as a product without physically test building it first then yes, it is not a proper LEGO design as their products should be properly tested first. 
    daewoostluxCymbelineAstrobricksdatsunrobbieFizyx
  • daewoodaewoo DFWMember Posts: 622
    Brickchap said:
    Firstly Id like to ask the digital build haters, if Jamie Bernard or Mike Psaki built a new modular building say using Lego Digital Designer, Studio or whatever, would you argue that it was not a proper Lego design, that it was bad and that Jamie and Mike were not worthy of being considered designers?
    Firstly, I'm not a "digital build hater".  I am not impressed by it, regardless of who produced it.  Secondly, if it isn't built from actual Lego elements then it is not a "proper Lego design".  I'm not going to bother with the rest of what you wrote.
    SumoLegoBumblepantsdatsunrobbieMarshallmariogmonkey76
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,296
    4D?
    Models that transcend space and time?
    I think it just means it smells.
    Yellowcastleandhe
  • EGRobertsEGRoberts OntarioMember Posts: 201
    Brickchap said:
    ***CLIFF NOTES VERSION***

    Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves for not liking digital designs and renders... Digital designs rule!!
         Personally I find both have there uses. Once I saw a train station locomotive repair bay but the builder built it in all colors as that is the bricks he had. He listed the colors he would want it to be and many people in the comments suggested he do a digital design to help people visualize his idea. Personally I like his build and could already see it thanks to him building it even if it was rainbow but some renders could have helped add to the end for many I am sure.
    veyniacYellowcastleandhe
  • BrickchapBrickchap AustraliaMember Posts: 521
    @EGRoberts That is not at all what I said and definitely not the intention.
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Northern VirginiaAdministrator, Moderator Posts: 5,232
    ^ This! 🤢 
    JudgeChuckEGRobertsSumoLegoBumblepantsFizyxgmonkey76
  • JudgeChuckJudgeChuck UKMember Posts: 1,488
    edited September 2
    ^^ $100 for an Emerald Night and modular Fire Brigade was worth catching the bubonic plague.
    Hmmm, possibly the first is one of the two or three sets that I would risk infection and death for. #10194 Emerald Night and #10210 Imperial Flagship. Not many others though!

    The problem is that you have to face yuck and the plague before knowing a valuable set is even possibly present! Now, where's my hand sanitizer? ;-)
    SumoLego
  • JudgeChuckJudgeChuck UKMember Posts: 1,488
    ^I definitely tip my hat to you bin-dippers and muck-scrapers for your bravery! :-) ;-)
    SumoLegoEGRoberts560HeliportWesterBricksYellowcastleBumblepantsFizyx
  • EGRobertsEGRoberts OntarioMember Posts: 201
    Someone needs to save the old minifigs from the dumpster.. Might as well be me *clutches a q-tip and rubbing alcohol*.
    SumoLego560HeliportCymbelineYellowcastleFizyx
  • JudgeChuckJudgeChuck UKMember Posts: 1,488
    EGRoberts said:
    Someone needs to save the old minifigs from the dumpster.. Might as well be me *clutches a q-tip and rubbing alcohol*.
    Nooo! You've made me feel evil and heartless now, leaving all those poor minifigs to a fate worse than death! ;-)
    I'm now also happy that there are brave souls out there, doing them this sterling service! ;-)
    SumoLegoEGRoberts560HeliportCymbelineYellowcastle
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,296
    ...was worth catching the bubonic plague...
    Two bubonic plagues.
    EGRoberts560HeliportYellowcastleMarshallmario
  • EGRobertsEGRoberts OntarioMember Posts: 201
    EGRoberts said:
    Someone needs to save the old minifigs from the dumpster.. Might as well be me *clutches a q-tip and rubbing alcohol*.
    Nooo! You've made me feel evil and heartless now, leaving all those poor minifigs to a fate worse than death! ;-)
    I'm now also happy that there are brave souls out there, doing them this sterling service! ;-)
    If you saw some of them you would realize they already lived a fate worse then death... lol Kids are dirty! Odd part is my kid never draws on lego, our lego is never sticky... What is wrong with these other children... 2 rules that's it;

    1. Wash your hands before playing with lego
    2. Lego and your craft supplies do not play together

    Boom done, millions of sticky bricks never happened! It is like the marvel what if series!
    jnscoelhoSumoLego
  • BrickchapBrickchap AustraliaMember Posts: 521
    Agree with above posts, I will never understand as to how old lego gets so dirty and disgusting.

    Now in fairness I will admit that when I was young I had a long plastic tub of Lego and there were some other toys, (usually broken construction signs) and marbles and so forth mixed in including some pieces of coal. (I liked construction, mining etc.). In saying that I can say definitely there was nothing disgusting in there and if I had ever sold that Lego I would have picked out all the other toys.

    All my Lego is sorted and cleaned now thankfully. But yes buying second hand is concerning, I had a bit of human hair stuck behind a sticker once, disgusting!
    SumoLegogmonkey76
  • pxchrispxchris Oregon, USAMember Posts: 1,529
    "I simply cannot understand why *anyone* would want to delve through a bulk load of off-brand bricks, cat fur, bugs, slime, grot & possible bodily-fluids and -solids in the pursuit of second-hand Lego. How can the time and effort, quite apart from the general "yuck" factor, possibly be worthwhile? I would *never* want to add this to my pristine Lego collection!
    Well, as a collector of 40 year old sets who's not a multimillionaire I can tell you it's purely a financial decision... have you ever looked at how much classic Pirates sets in sealed boxes go for?
    EGRoberts560HeliportSumoLegoKungFuKennygmonkey76
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,834
    Brickchap said:
    Agree with above posts, I will never understand as to how old lego gets so dirty and disgusting.

    It is quite simple really, to most people LEGO and especially old LEGO is just a toy. Most of it has very little value. 

    If a kid has some lego and wants to play with it in the garden or sand pit, so what, it's a toy. Toys are meant to be played with and will occasionally get damaged or lost. And when a kid is done playing with it, it might be dumped in an open box then left in a garage or attic for years getting more and more grimy.

    As a kid I used to glue bits of lego together to make new parts or drill holes in bricks to put wires through or paint parts with oil based paint as I wanted them to look different. If I hadn't damaged those old parts, they'd be worth about £2 in total these days. I did the same with Action Men. They'd get tattoos painted on them or stabbed with a nail and red paint on them for blood. Or buried in the sand pit, or thrown out the bedroom window with a parachute attached or on a zip wire. They were just toys. I could have left them in boxes and not had a childhood.

    Now LEGO is catering to adults, I doubt there will be 18+ sets found in similar conditions in future because they are more collectable items than toys.

    datsunrobbieEGRobertsSumoLegoAyliffestluxFizyxKungFuKenny
  • JudgeChuckJudgeChuck UKMember Posts: 1,488
    pxchris said:
    "I simply cannot understand why *anyone* would want to delve through a bulk load of off-brand bricks, cat fur, bugs, slime, grot & possible bodily-fluids and -solids in the pursuit of second-hand Lego. How can the time and effort, quite apart from the general "yuck" factor, possibly be worthwhile? I would *never* want to add this to my pristine Lego collection!
    Well, as a collector of 40 year old sets who's not a multimillionaire I can tell you it's purely a financial decision... have you ever looked at how much classic Pirates sets in sealed boxes go for?
    I totally get that the cost of sealed boxes for a lot of old sets is prohibitive for most people, including myself. My particular old-set-love is for Classic Space and I have bought a fair number of sets second hand and none have been sealed / new, but none have had any "yuck" factor either!
    I suppose there is always a level of compromise that people are willing to take and I definitely am more biased towards buying "nice" sets, even if they do cost a little more.
    As I said, my comment was definitely meant to be taken somewhat tongue-in-cheek and definitely more luck to you, if you are willing to go the extra mile for you Lego! :-)
    EGRobertsSumoLegoKungFuKennygmonkey76
  • EGRobertsEGRoberts OntarioMember Posts: 201
    For me it used to be not as common to buy big used bins, but now I recently moved to a new city and there is a thrift store every few blocks and yard sales galore every weekend. I like buying bins because my 10 year old and I hunker over the pile pulling out what we count as treasures and always get excited at the odd stuff we find in there. It is like a gambling high that always pays off lol.

    This is no supplement though for bricklink orders.. I too order complete nice good condition sets for the castle theme and am working to collect a list I made years ago for all the castle sets I wish to own and will continue those orders as you would be right that sometimes a set is just so great you order it complete in better condition but the extra knights, armor and animals I find in bins makes my castle displays always more fun.

    CCC said:
    Brickchap said:
    Agree with above posts, I will never understand as to how old lego gets so dirty and disgusting.


    As a kid I used to glue bits of lego together to make new parts or drill holes in bricks to put wires through or paint parts with oil based paint as I wanted them to look different.

    stabbed with a nail and red paint on them for blood. 

    Your comment made me weep... You monster! lol kidding. I know it is just a toy and encourage my kid to play as much as possible but seriously there our limits in my household. I also like to teach my kid to take care of his belongings and toys which seems to have never hindered on his fun. He is truthfully like me as a kid and a little ocd about his stuff which I don't think is a bad thing. Truthfully Covid has made him a hand washing/sanitizing maniac lol. 
    560HeliportSumoLegoMarshallmariodatsunrobbieBrickchapandhe
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,834
    EGRoberts said:
    Your comment made me weep... You monster! lol kidding. I know it is just a toy and encourage my kid to play as much as possible but seriously there our limits in my household. I also like to teach my kid to take care of his belongings and toys which seems to have never hindered on his fun. He is truthfully like me as a kid and a little ocd about his stuff which I don't think is a bad thing. Truthfully Covid has made him a hand washing/sanitizing maniac lol. 
    I took care of them, I just customised some them to be more what I wanted. As a kid I had a bucket full of lego, mainly 2x2, 2x4 bricks, a few of the brick baseplates, wheels and a few windows and doors. Nearly all red, white, blue, black and yellow. Fairly boring 1970s lego. Adapting parts was the one way of making them more interesting and usable with other toys.

    And I still do it.
    WesterBricks560HeliportSumoLegoKungFuKenny
  • pxchrispxchris Oregon, USAMember Posts: 1,529
    pxchris said:
    "I simply cannot understand why *anyone* would want to delve through a bulk load of off-brand bricks, cat fur, bugs, slime, grot & possible bodily-fluids and -solids in the pursuit of second-hand Lego. How can the time and effort, quite apart from the general "yuck" factor, possibly be worthwhile? I would *never* want to add this to my pristine Lego collection!
    Well, as a collector of 40 year old sets who's not a multimillionaire I can tell you it's purely a financial decision... have you ever looked at how much classic Pirates sets in sealed boxes go for?
    I totally get that the cost of sealed boxes for a lot of old sets is prohibitive for most people, including myself. My particular old-set-love is for Classic Space and I have bought a fair number of sets second hand and none have been sealed / new, but none have had any "yuck" factor either!
    I suppose there is always a level of compromise that people are willing to take and I definitely am more biased towards buying "nice" sets, even if they do cost a little more.
    As I said, my comment was definitely meant to be taken somewhat tongue-in-cheek and definitely more luck to you, if you are willing to go the extra mile for you Lego! :-)
    I do typically only buy used sets that are in relatively good/clean condition. However, I'll admit that I have gotten some absolutely spectacular deals on a couple of old sets that I was able to snag cheap because they were obviously quite dirty in the listing photos. The amount of work it took me to get those sets was certainly worth the money I ended up saving (literally hundreds of dollars). I'm not afraid of slapping on some latex gloves and scrubbing parts clean in the sink. The end result is a set that looks nearly brand new, because in most cases (at least with the sets I've purchased) we're just talking about a lot of caked on dust and dirt from sitting around for years unloved. It's amazing how clean you can get old pirate ship sails even!
    I always wash used sets I buy, even if they're not obviously filthy. But at least to me, a little bit of manual labor is worth saving a large chunk of cash that helps me to get even more cool old sets!
    AstrobricksSumoLegoMarshallmarioJudgeChuck
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