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  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,787
    gelkster said:
    Got Ford Fiesta WRC & McLaren Senna today, currently at 17 cars total. Ferrari Garage on the way for my son for Christmas 
    FYI, It sounds like the Ferrari garage set will be 30% off on Monday at [email protected]
    KungFuKennygelksterFrequency
  • CaptainRogersCaptainRogers Member Posts: 862
    ^It's 50% off at Target right now.
    tomahawkergmonkey76BrickByBrickAstrobricksKungFuKennyMynattgelkster
  • gelkstergelkster Member Posts: 927
    edited December 2019
    THANKS for the tip guys!!!
    Why such a deep discount?

    Not sure what [email protected] is
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,787
    gelkster said:
    THANKS for the tip guys!!!
    Why such a deep discount?

    Not sure what [email protected] is
    shop.LEGO.com, otherwise known as [email protected]
  • gelkstergelkster Member Posts: 927
    Ok thx I thought it maybe a UK store chain like Sainsbury's or Tesco I see a lot of that around here...but then I saw you're from ChicagoLand 😉
  • gelkstergelkster Member Posts: 927

    gmonkey76BumblepantsMaffyDKungFuKennymadforLEGOOnebricktoomany
  • colaycolay Member Posts: 547
    gelkster said:
    Got Ford Fiesta WRC & McLaren Senna today, currently at 17 cars total. Ferrari Garage on the way for my son for Christmas 
    yeah. 'for your son'. yeah. sure. :)
  • gelkstergelkster Member Posts: 927
    He has his & I have mine 😉
    But theyre integrated 
  • colaycolay Member Posts: 547
    lol
    gelkster
  • SparkyHamSparkyHam Member Posts: 141
    MaffyD said:
    Am I right in thinking that the change to the scale affects people in 3 primary ways:

    1. They have a city layout, and the 8 stud wide cars won't fit (garages/roads/etc)
    2. They have been collecting the range or adding to existing display of even older vehicles, and the difference from old to new is disconcerting and messes up the look
    3. They have a preference for narrower cars based on looks alone - 4 & 6 stud wide are 'right' for minifig scale, and 8 is too wide.
    Are there any other reasons? Because I can get behind all of those reasons, it's a very personal thing. I won't be happy to shelve all my narrower cars in favour of these new ones, and I'll both hate it and love it if they update any of them to the wider studs. I'm grateful that I don't have a city, and don't have an extensive vehicle collection.

    This must've happened before though, right? Changes to scale..?
    Forgive me if you've already seen this, but I found this interview of the developer really helpful in answering your queries, and I am now completely supportive of the design change:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spmpX1Z3fRE

    What do you think?
    ReesesPiecesstluxgmonkey76MynattAstrobricks
  • ReesesPiecesReesesPieces Member Posts: 1,119
    I agree with you.  The reason for the 6 wide to 8 is simple but makes total sense.  Their goal for speed champions should be accuracy first.
    gmonkey76
  • CaptainRogersCaptainRogers Member Posts: 862
    After seeing that video and hearing the reasons behind the switch, I think I completely agree. This wasn't a sudden snap decision. They took time to weigh the pros and cons and made a good call.
    gmonkey76Mynatt
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,478
    I just realized that they moved SC from the 75xxx range to 76xxx when they switched to 8 wide. I wonder if they did that to help separate the old from the new, or just because they ran out of space in 75xxx. At the rate Star Wars sets come out, I wouldn’t be surprised if they have to do it for them soon too. 
    sid3windr
  • ModeltrainmanModeltrainman Member Posts: 1,221
    @Astrobricks , does the numbering system actually ever mean anything?
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,478
    Modeltrainman said:
    @Astrobricks , does the numbering system actually ever mean anything?
    Not in the sense that the number has any significance itself, but there are obviously blocks of numbers set aside for different themes. This is just the first time I’ve noticed a theme break it’s “thousand barrier” since I came out of my dark age a few years ago. But I haven’t been paying that close attention to polybags. They seem to all fit in the 30xxx range despite belonging to different themes.
    Modeltrainmansid3windr
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,624
    Any good reason the Lamborghini 2 pack is $20 more than the Jaguar one? The part count isn't that different. Just stood out as a glaring difference side by side in the catalog.
    Mr_Cross
  • redarmyredarmy Member Posts: 741
    Bumblepants said:
    Any good reason the Lamborghini 2 pack is $20 more than the Jaguar one? The part count isn't that different. Just stood out as a glaring difference side by side in the catalog.
    Lamborghinis are more expensive than Jaguars.;-)
    Bumblepantspanchox1AstrobricksLyichirgmonkey76msandersMynattMr_Crossbricktuary
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,478
    Disney now owns Lamborghini :)
    gmonkey76msanders
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,624
    Well Lamborghini can take their license fee and shove it up their Urus.
    gmonkey76bandit778Mynattsid3windrMr_Cross
  • MaffyDMaffyD Member Posts: 3,527
    I was wondering that myself. I looked at how expensive the set was and I was almost glad  that I couldn't get it at the Lego Store (out of stock). I'm hoping it'll be at Amazon at some kind of discount to make it more palatable later in the year. That bloody Urus.
    Mr_Cross
  • ModeltrainmanModeltrainman Member Posts: 1,221
    edited January 2020
    See, now, if anyone wants to dump the Urus, it'd make a great Secret Santa gift, if you can include stickers... *crickets and incredulous glances* Or, you know, my birthday is in April. 😎😀 I, um, don't like the Huracan...
    sid3windr
  • daewoodaewoo Member Posts: 813
    A crystal clear example of what licensing does to the price.  I'm sure Lambo demanded a premium and Lego is passing that on to purchasers.
  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 Member Posts: 1,828
    Keep in mind the Mini Cooper set is also $50 with about 200 pieces less than the Lamborghini set.
    AstrobricksMynatt
  • SnizzlebuttsSnizzlebutts Member Posts: 66
    Are these cars the right scale to fit in a city built with sets from the modular and City sets?
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,624
    Snizzlebutts said:
    Are these cars the right scale to fit in a city built with sets from the modular and City sets?
    It really is up to your personal interpretation. I feel like most of the '15-19 6 stud wide models can fit in with most sets and modulars but the new 8 wide ones we just too big.
    gmonkey76M1J0ESnizzlebutts
  • gelkstergelkster Member Posts: 927
    Bumblepants said: 
    ...but the new 8 wide ones were just too big.
    Which I personally feel was a big mistake on Lego's part.
  • gelkstergelkster Member Posts: 927
    I upgraded to the newer dk bley City roadplates from the classic 4-wides this past year to accommodate the 6 wide vehicles, & I'm not touching the 8 wides.
  • SnizzlebuttsSnizzlebutts Member Posts: 66
    edited January 2020
    Bumblepants said:
    Snizzlebutts said:
    Are these cars the right scale to fit in a city built with sets from the modular and City sets?
    It really is up to your personal interpretation. I feel like most of the '15-19 6 stud wide models can fit in with most sets and modulars but the new 8 wide ones we just too big.
    Thanks. Might get the Porsche because it looks more like a city car than the others. Wasn’t sure how big it was but should go well.
  • CaptainRogersCaptainRogers Member Posts: 862
    gelkster said:
    Bumblepants said: 
    ...but the new 8 wide ones were just too big.
    Which I personally feel was a big mistake on Lego's part.
    You know, I felt the same way at first... But when I saw the interview they did with a Lego designer and he explain the reasoning behind it, I completely agreed. I am still saddened these cars don't fit well in a city anymore, because I loved doing that, but I do understand their reasoning.
    M1J0ELyichirgelksterpxchris
  • CaptainRogersCaptainRogers Member Posts: 862
    My Target app showed the 2020 sets as in stock. When I didn't see them on the shelves, of heroic employee was able to check the back room and grab #76897 and #76896 for me. He happens to be a fan of the SC line too, and told me he'd be grabbing some sets on the way home. 
  • gelkstergelkster Member Posts: 927
    @CaptainRogers- yes I have yet (& probably should) watch that interview.
    CaptainRogers
  • M1J0EM1J0E Member Posts: 644
    Yeah you & me both.  I haven’t watched it, but I can certainly understand why the switch to 8 wide.  Any vehicle where they want more detail already to better represent it is 8 wide.  

    But I’ll certainly miss the old 6 wide as I do think they fit better in a city, and really made a street look more interesting!  8-wide is a bit big in comparison to most buildings to really fit in.  I’m probably in the thought school that says 4-wide should be the most to put in a street lest the buildings be overshadowed.  There just aren’t enough interesting 4-wides though in the modern era to make a full street IMO.  But then what do those categories mean?  Some sets that ‘feel’ like they fit in their respective size class really push the boundaries!  

    #7595 - one of the more interesting (second perhaps only to #60048) 4 wide vehicles ever.  But is it?  With fenders & tires that stick out, it’s not hugely larger than other 4-wides but could push the boundaries.
    #3629 - everything about this car is 4-wide, but the vintage base.  So it arguably fits in better with 6-wide setups.  
    #75875 (Model A) & #76077 (Lola) - arguably both small cars made into 6 wide to capture detail.  So they don’t feel out of scale, but compared to a 6 wide truck, they actually are.
    #6867 - 6 wide, doesn’t feel out of scale especially when compared to #4437.  But is it really?  With those wide tires & fenders, what appears to fit normally into the street really is closer to 8 wide.

    So boundaries are pushed.  In the end I guess you set your own & do what you will.


    BumblepantsSnizzlebutts
  • daewoodaewoo Member Posts: 813
    gelkster said:
    Bumblepants said: 
    ...but the new 8 wide ones were just too big.
    Which I personally feel was a big mistake on Lego's part.
    Not a mistake, a strategic decision.  Obviously City scale was not important since that really isn't the consumer they are chasing here.
    M1J0E
  • colaycolay Member Posts: 547
    I dont build City scapes (I refuse to buy any more Lego themes lol) but I see both sides. Im a SC fan, and Im disappointed they wont 'match' what I have let alone someone who has these in a 'live' set-up, to add some variation. Whilst I agree that 2 ppl in a car is also more realistic, isnt this the whole point of lego, t isnt real? If we are looking at it being real life, why are Lego mobile phones 2x1 tiles, they should be smaller!!! :)

    But, on the flip side, more detail and recognisability is good. Some builds look very similar and its really the stickers (badges) that help you identify a vehicle.

    But, I am annoyed at the price. I could justify £10 (okay its 12.99 but my head says it's a tenner) but now at 17.99, this is basically 20 quid, so, I will most certainly wait for discounts even on the single pack cars. The Lambo set is outrageosly priced IMO

    Anyway. I said Id try and stop moaning in 2020, so far, its not working lol
    M1J0EcatwranglerSnizzlebutts
  • M1J0EM1J0E Member Posts: 644
    ^ good point!  It’s 2020, surely they could make a smartphone minifig accessory :D. 
    Modeltrainman
  • ReesesPiecesReesesPieces Member Posts: 1,119
    It is also important to keep in mind that Lego has an obligation to the car companies and the fans of the cars themselves (them main market for the Speed Champions line) to make the most accurate model possible.  Even though I enjoyed making the previous 6 wide cars, many of the cars (the earlier ones) looked pretty generic because many of them lost their unique details due to size.  
    M1J0ESnizzlebuttssklamb
  • M1J0EM1J0E Member Posts: 644
    ^ agreed.  I’m kinda looking forward to seeing what they do with the new 8 wides beyond the first wave.  Just because I don’t think they fit into my city layout doesn’t mean they won’t take up a beautiful display shelf as models in their own right!
    Mynatt
  • FauchFauch Member Posts: 2,679
    they may be like mini creator expert cars, I'll see when I get the ferrari and compare with the expert one.
    M1J0EMaffyD
  • MaffyDMaffyD Member Posts: 3,527
    ^ I was just about to suggest that people should not consider these cars as fancy City cars, but miniaturized Creator Expert models. Still won't make me think that Lambo set is good value though.
    Bumblepantspxchrisgmonkey76MynattLyichir
  • Game_onGame_on Member Posts: 92
    CaptainRogers said:
    My Target app showed the 2020 sets as in stock. When I didn't see them on the shelves, of heroic employee was able to check the back room and grab #76897 and #76896 for me. He happens to be a fan of the SC line too, and told me he'd be grabbing some sets on the way home. 

    I wandered in to our local earlier this week and stumbled upon them sitting on the shelves.  I had a hard time deciding between picking up the Audi Sport quattro or Nissan GT-R, but ended up picking up the GT-R.

    Looks pretty cool.  Can't wait to build it.
  • Speedman29Speedman29 Member Posts: 2,311
    The new Lamborghini polybag #30342 is available in the UK. It comes free on the cover of the June issue of Top Gear magazine. The only place that appears to do the special LEGO issue is Tesco and only the big store we went in had it. Comes bagged with a card SC LEGO poster tucked in the back. The Super Trofeo is very dinky (similar size to the Shell Ferrari polys from a few years ago, but not pullback)

    560Heliportcolay
  • colaycolay Member Posts: 547
    Speedman29 said:
    The new Lamborghini polybag #30342 is available in the UK. It comes free on the cover of the June issue of Top Gear magazine. The only place that appears to do the special LEGO issue is Tesco and only the big store we went in had it. Comes bagged with a card SC LEGO poster tucked in the back. The Super Trofeo is very dinky (similar size to the Shell Ferrari polys from a few years ago, but not pullback)


    Messaged you thank for that

    Also, #76899 is 44.99 on Amazon right now 20% off

    HTH
  • Speedman29Speedman29 Member Posts: 2,311
    colay said:

    Also, #76899 is 44.99 on Amazon right now 20% off
    A better price, but I just don't need the Urus. Same problem with the Jaguar set, I only wanted it for the FormulaE car, luckily that was a birthday present.
  • chrisalddinchrisalddin Member Posts: 3,041
    edited May 2020
    6 wide speed champions cars feel like to me city theme cars with only a little more detail and stickers. (lot's of stickers)
    the 8 wide feel like real models of car's and not the city toy nockoff that the 6 wide feel to me.
    i like the 8 wide model a lot.

    sklamb
  • legobodlegobod Member Posts: 332
    I like the 8 wide change and it would have made my streets of rage mod better too


    BrickchapAyliffemadforLEGO
  • colaycolay Member Posts: 547
    #76898 is 27.99 on amazon
    Audi and Nismo down to 12.99 too
  • gelkstergelkster Member Posts: 927
    Hey gang, just got #75883 built & now want to develop  a cool race track (using newer dk bley road plates as in pic). I'm interested in seeing some of your track setups/maps- aerial views if possible, & also how  you've implemented the different SC garages/pit areas around your track. Thx!
    560HeliportvanvonfullBumblepants
  • LyichirLyichir Member Posts: 1,017
    gelkster said:
    Hey gang, just got #75883 built & now want to develop  a cool race track (using newer dk bley road plates as in pic). I'm interested in seeing some of your track setups/maps- aerial views if possible, & also how  you've implemented the different SC garages/pit areas around your track. Thx!
    Ooh, I'd never noticed that the curve of those slopes matches recent road plates! Makes for a nice track! Though as has been the case for a long time with curved road plates, I'm still left wanting for parts that match the outside of the curve...

  • FrequencyFrequency Member Posts: 74
    When are there going to be more Speed Champions sets?
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,624
    edited September 2020
    Frequency said:
    When are there going to be more Speed Champions sets?
    Good question, Probably January. It is interesting to see their recent financial report put SC on the list of high performance themes (pun intended). Perhaps that will result in them releasing a bigger wave or winter/summer waves in 2021
    Mynattbpk2300dpa1SumoLegoMr_Cross
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