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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    You're definitely in the minority @klinton

    It's tough not to be impressed by the Joker's bank robbery sequence.  And just about everything else in The Dark Knight.  

    And because of this...

    ...Batman should not be milkable.
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  • klintonklinton CanadaMember Posts: 417
    SumoLego said:
    You're definitely in the minority @klinton

    It's tough not to be impressed by the Joker's bank robbery sequence.  And just about everything else in The Dark Knight.  

    Many aspects of the films are noteworthy, tbh. Crane was particularily well done. The Joker isn't my favorite screen incarnation of the character, but I understand why people enjoy it. Batman himself is absolutely horrifying though. In every scene, in every film.

    I mean, the airplane sequence in Superman Returns is absolutely the finest Superman scene to ever grace cinemas... but the film itself is rubbish. Elements that work, no matter how well, can't negate gaping flaws in a production.  

    They're certainly not the worst thing we've seen from DC, by any stretch. I just don't think they're the 'gold standard'. /two cents
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    I suppose they're the 'gold' standard because they were well-reviewed and well-attended.  And they stand in stark contrast to Batman & Robin, which was poorly reviewed and poorly attended.

    And universally hated by anyone that likes Batman.

    By no means am I saying your opinion is wrong, but definitely not the common position amongst casual Batman fans.  (I happen to like the Long Halloween and Dark Knight Returns, and dislike the Killing Joke and Knightfall - so we all have individual preferences!)
    klinton
  • klintonklinton CanadaMember Posts: 417
    SumoLego said:
    I suppose they're the 'gold' standard because they were well-reviewed and well-attended.  And they stand in stark contrast to Batman & Robin, which was poorly reviewed and poorly attended.

    And universally hated by anyone that likes Batman.

    By no means am I saying your opinion is wrong, but definitely not the common position amongst casual Batman fans.  (I happen to like the Long Halloween and Dark Knight Returns, and dislike the Killing Joke and Knightfall - so we all have individual preferences!)
    "Batman & Robin" and "Batman Forever" don't even deserve to be mentioned for any serious consideration. Ever. They can be relegated to the vaults with the likes of Lundgren's Punisher and Superman IV. But with the likes of "Mask of the Phantasm" and "Batman" 89 on the table... it mystifies me that Nolan's vision is what fans latch on to. It's not like there is this vast dearth of quality Batman material out there wherin these three films stand alone. They're okay, but not great. When compared to the DC film library in it's entirety, they're even less exceptional. 

    Oddly enough, 'The Long Halloween' is one of the very few Batman stories I absolutely love. It's largely due to Sale's art tbh, but the premise was fu  with genuine craft on display all over every page. It was a love letter to fans of the mythos, with subtle little cues packed into every panel. The obvious suspect came as a complete surprise to me upon reading the final issue, hahaha. 

    But, yes, this is all a matter of opinion. It's pretty clear from the various well reasoned responses in this thread that every POV is valid and justified. :)
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  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,110
    SumoLego said:
    and dislike the Killing Joke
    Don’t get me started on the Killing Joke, I get it's relevance in publication history but have no idea why people think it’s amazing. It’s such a bland story and really poorly executed in my opinion.
    SumoLego
  • redarmyredarmy AberdeenMember Posts: 690
    edited April 5
    SumoLego said:
    redarmy said:
    ...my Henry Cavill mancrush...
    Are there meetings for Henry Cavill Mancrush Anonymous?
    Why anonymous?.I'm secure with my masculinity...the man is a handsome beast,there is no shame in that..

    Now where are my hair-curlers?
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  • RedbullgivesuwindRedbullgivesuwind Brickset's Secret HeadquatersMember Posts: 1,731
    klinton said:

    But, yes, this is all a matter of opinion. It's pretty clear from the various well reasoned responses in this thread that every POV is valid and justified. :)
    I think that is the great thing about comics is that there are so many variations that you can argue anything with plenty of justification. Imagine if this was a Star Wars Forum there is a dumpster fire.
    SumoLegojnscoelho
  • DrmnezDrmnez USA, Planet earth Member Posts: 851
    Is it just me or is the 2019 DC lineup Batman extremely lackluster
    SumoLegoklinton
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    The Poison Ivy mech is a total mail-in effort...
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    edited April 6
    Redbullgivesuwind said:
    Imagine if this was a Star Wars Forum there is a dumpster fire.
    And we'd be discussing nipples on a Vader suit.
    Redbullgivesuwind
  • jmeninnojmeninno The Batcave (MA)Member Posts: 687
    ^^But...we got Firefly...
  • klintonklinton CanadaMember Posts: 417
    Drmnez said:
    Is it just me or is the 2019 DC lineup Batman extremely lackluster
    It's dreadful. Outside of a few sets that have interesting minifigs, there is legit only one actual model that I want to build. I'm not sure whom it was at Lego that thought we'd all be jonesing for recycled Batman rubbish on the heels of all the Lego Batman sets over the past two years, but they were mistaken.  

    Marvel's not much better this year, tbh. I think the compound is it for me from that assortment. 

  • RedbullgivesuwindRedbullgivesuwind Brickset's Secret HeadquatersMember Posts: 1,731
    I feel like they are really scraping the barell with a lot of sets especially the mech sets. The poison Ivy mech is awful, it is just a tree. I get the feeling they are just putting figures in now. And even those are mostly repeats. 
    SumoLego
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Sofia BG/Dallas TXMember Posts: 5,652
    I bought up as much of the LBM2 sets as I could. Those were all on such a high level I doubt they will reach it again. There is not one minifigure in the upcoming wave that looks better to me than the movie ones. And that clayface is just dreadful by comparison.
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  • SparkyHamSparkyHam Bristol, UKMember Posts: 133
    The Superhero theme has finally become a victim of its own success.

    Lego is obliged to keep churning them out, similar to how they did with the police and fire sets a few years back. I think the increased number of juniorized superhero sets reflects this.

    TLBM sets were an exception, because the movie provided focus, but other than that, the general DC and Marvel themes have succumbed to this predicable and stagnating cycle.

    The only way I see Lego breaking the cycle is to either:

    - put DC and Marvel themes on hiatus for a while, and look for a new angle.
    - provide more cohesion across the sets, giving them purpose, i.e a wave of small individual DC sets that combine into a complete scene, e.g. 4-5 sets that combine into 'Gotham City' (you could have a mini Joker's hideout, a Penguin's Iceberg Lounge, a Poison Ivy plant shop, a Catwomans Pet store, Mad Hatter's Hat Store, a Croc sewer scene, Two Face court-room, etc... combining into a City diorama). Similar idea to the old Castle sets.

    But both these ideas require money which I don't think Lego is willing to invest. Putting on hiatus will mean less sales in the short-term, and creating more cohesion would require more design and execution costs.

    I used to buy superhero sets because they felt special. Apart from a few movie-tie-in-ones, I have lost my appetite.

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  • wardmwardm BelgiumMember Posts: 537
    ^I feel the same way as you do about the Super Heroes theme. Last years Sanctum Sanctorum was something new and fresh for the infinity war line, but other than that, I feel like the theme has become quite boring.
  • jnscoelhojnscoelho PortugalMember Posts: 287
    I feel the opposite, but I think it's only because of timing. I started collecting DCEU-related sets (MoS, BvS, WW, JL) only, excluded the TLBM ones because of their deviation from comics (and I hated that Joker...) and just recently expanded to DC sets in general, with the 2018 Justice League ones (#76096 - #76098). Therefore, these 2019 Batman sets look appealing to me. But I understand perfectly why I'm the exception and I agree with the last few comments.

    What @SparkyHam ; said makes perfect sense - "wave of small individual DC sets that combine into a complete scene". This is what themes like Friends allow for, even if they re-release the same stuff after 3-4 years.

    Redbullgivesuwind
  • LyichirLyichir United StatesMember Posts: 702
    edited April 6
    jnscoelho said:
    I feel the opposite, but I think it's only because of timing. I started collecting DCEU-related sets (MoS, BvS, WW, JL) only, excluded the TLBM ones because of their deviation from comics (and I hated that Joker...) and just recently expanded to DC sets in general, with the 2018 Justice League ones (#76096 - #76098). Therefore, these 2019 Batman sets look appealing to me. But I understand perfectly why I'm the exception and I agree with the last few comments.

    See, I'm the opposite of this—hadn't collected Super Heroes sets really since the original Batman theme, couldn't care less about the DCEU sets, but got quite a few Lego Batman Movie sets both because I really enjoyed the movie and because it provided fresh, unique takes on the characters instead of just adapting existing versions from the movies and comics. As someone who generally prefers Lego's original themes to their licensed themes, I much prefer the latter when Lego is able to put their own unique spin on a franchise instead of just having to recreate characters, settings, and vehicles that somebody else designed.

    Probably won't get any of these new Batman sets, but I'll definitely keep an eye out for their parts on Bricklink or Bricks and Pieces—some of those prepacks seem EXTREMELY useful.
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    edited April 6
    I think we all have to remember that these sets are unprecedented for new LEGO fans.  Batman/DC and Marvel are evergreen licensed properties that remain popular - just like SW.

    We'll always have a Batcave, too many Iron Man and Spider-Man sets and only minor changes and updates to the Batmobile, Batwing, etc...

    And they go right next to a Millennium Falcon, Police Station and some sort of Ninjago dragon...
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  • jnscoelhojnscoelho PortugalMember Posts: 287
    edited April 6
    ^ That is the key point. I came out of my dark age only a few years ago, thanks to my daughters. Among all the Friends and Disney stuff I set some boundaries for myself but allowed me to indulge into the DCEU sets. But I'm slowly expanding, ahahah.

    Still, I'd trade (almost) all my DC sets for more Elves with dragons...
    SumoLegoAanchirklinton
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,791
    SparkyHam said:
    The Superhero theme has finally become a victim of its own success.

    Lego is obliged to keep churning them out, similar to how they did with the police and fire sets a few years back. I think the increased number of juniorized superhero sets reflects this.

    As frustrating as this might seem to AFOLs who have already been collecting for a while, I don't really see any reason LEGO should think of this as a negative outcome. After all, it's not as though the amount of repetition in themes like City, Friends, or Ninjago have particularly hurt their sales. In fact, the most repetitive themes in many cases tend to be the most long-lived and popular (and conversely, few themes ever manage to last a long time or remain popular WITHOUT repeatedly revisiting their most iconic subjects).
    And I'm curious what you perceive as "the increased number of juniorized superhero sets". Like, as of this year, there are two 4+ Batman sets and two 4+ Spider-Man sets, but those characters were already getting close to one 4+ set a year when they were organized under the "Juniors" theme, and I think the number increasing says more about growth in the 4+ category than anything about Super Heroes in particular. Besides the 4+ sets, the rest of the Batman and Spider-Man sets for this year are at more or less a "normal" building level.
    The poison Ivy mech is awful, it is just a tree.
    I don't really see the problem with this, to be honest? I mean, giving Poison Ivy an actual mech wouldn't make any sense at all for the character. But a huge plant that mirrors her movements on a larger scale is perfectly her style!
    I wonder if people would perceive it nearly as negatively to this set if it weren't called a mech in the set name… just compare it with the Venom Mech from this year. Whether the set name calls it a mech or not, who are we kidding? It's really just a huge, brick-built version of Venom himself that happens to have a place for a "pilot" purely to give it more appeal for kids who also want to own or play with Venom as a regular-size minifig.
    Also, I feel like it's a little strange to act as though the Batman and Spider-Man sets being underwhelming from an AFOL perspective is any sort of new trend. I mean, it's not like #76014, #76016, #76026, or #76027 were particularly beloved by AFOLs, at least not on account of their Bat- and Spider-cameos and vehicles!
    But with a certain number of Super Heroes sets every year or couple years devoted to the more "serious"-looking subject matter from DC and Marvel movies, these types of sets pick up the slack by delivering the kind of cartoonish, gimmicky, color-coded action toys that have been a cash cow for other sorts of toy companies for decades longer than LEGO has even had superhero branded products!
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    edited April 7
    @Aanchir - I agree, but that Poison Ivy Mech is s sorry excuse for whatever it is supposed to be.  I think more thought was put into the much-maligned Groot buildable figure.

    I'm hoping they'll do some sets for the eventual Spider-Verse sequel.

    I do like that they subtly release sets 'similar' to the movie releases without necessarily taking the fallout if the movies aren't kid friendly-rated.  Other than Deadpool, of course.  (But that may be more of a result of Marvel killing off Fox merchandise.)
  • RedbullgivesuwindRedbullgivesuwind Brickset's Secret HeadquatersMember Posts: 1,731
    edited April 8
    @Aanchir I agree with your points. The idea of a tree "mech" is a very good idea. However, its execution was lacking it was just a tree facing a massive over kill mech from Batman. I would have reversed it and given Ivy the much bigger tree mech in a similar style to some of the monsters that she conjurers up in some of the cartoons. The Batman a smaller more suitable mech. It also makes sense to integrate Ivy into that as it would line up with her affinity for plants. She would be merging almost with the plants.

    The mech in the Venom set I thought was based on Space Venom, who is a super oversized version of Venom who appeared in the comics. The mech area seems to just be an added play feature.   

  • DrmnezDrmnez USA, Planet earth Member Posts: 851
    I feel like super heroes cmf would be a better direction to go than sets. The DC sets just making some Batman variant and some variant of the standard villains is do boring. Last year had some good stuff and it made me hopefully, but after the images came out... Im super disappoint
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  • klintonklinton CanadaMember Posts: 417
    edited April 9
    Drmnez said:
    I feel like super heroes cmf would be a better direction to go than sets. The DC sets just making some Batman variant and some variant of the standard villains is do boring. Last year had some good stuff and it made me hopefully, but after the images came out... Im super disappoint
    The Lego Batman Movie CMF series 2 was legit the absolute pinnacle of Lego Superheroes. It will just never get any better than that. Ever. I still can't quite believe that happened. Everyone frome the Wonder Twins to Zod to Black Canary, just there to be purchased without an obnoxious Bat-mech/sub/copter in sight! It was freaking bliss.
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  • SparkyHamSparkyHam Bristol, UKMember Posts: 133
    Aanchir said:

    As frustrating as this might seem to AFOLs who have already been collecting for a while, I don't really see any reason LEGO should think of this as a negative outcome. After all, it's not as though the amount of repetition in themes like City, Friends, or Ninjago have particularly hurt their sales.
     
    Exactly my point. Because the 'tried-and-tested' formula doesn't hurt sales, innovation is sacrificed, as evidenced by City, Friends, Ninjago, etc.

    I'm hankering after a little more variety and less repeatability. Not just as a passionate AFOL either : ) My kids are into superheroes too and even they are getting a little tired of the 'same-old-mechs' to use their language.

    On the plus side, there are plenty of other themes to dip into and explore - so this perspective is really just from a die-hard superhero fanbase household. It also does raise the excitement when an exceptionally original set is released too.
  • BOBJACK_JACKBOBBOBJACK_JACKBOB ScotlandMember Posts: 470
    I saw the Shazam film the other day. It was really good. I'm now considering the new Batman set with him in it.
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    You really want the SDCC exclusive...
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  • chuckpchuckp NYMember Posts: 684
    SumoLego said:
    You really want the SDCC exclusive...
    It is a pretty sweet mining, but to be fair all 4 were pretty solid. 2012 & 2013 were definitely the high-water mark for the SDCC minifigs. 
  • LuLegoLuLego UKMember Posts: 891
    Any one like to hazard a guess on when #76139 is likely to be revealed/released?
    My whole buying schedule depends on the strength of this set!
  • klintonklinton CanadaMember Posts: 417
    LuLego said:
    Any one like to hazard a guess on when #76139 is likely to be revealed/released?
    My whole buying schedule depends on the strength of this set!
    I'm expecting a reveal at SDCC, with a Q3 release. 
    LuLego
  • BOBJACK_JACKBOBBOBJACK_JACKBOB ScotlandMember Posts: 470
    edited April 12
    SumoLego said:
    You really want the SDCC exclusive...
    At the price I would need to pay for it? I really don't!
    No mini-figure is worth more than maybe £10 to me and that would be pushing it!
  • stluxstlux LuxembourgMember Posts: 2,140
    DC released a trailer for the next Lego Batman movie LEGO DC: Batman – Family Matters earlier this week. (Not TLBM2, but in the series of direct-to-video movies)

    No bonus minifig this time though; the disc comes with a "Mini Ultimate Batmobile". From the picture, that's simply #30526 The Mini Ultimate Batmobile, right?


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  • 560Heliport560Heliport Twin Cities, MN, USAMember Posts: 779
    It sure looks the same to me! "$10 retail value"? Wow.
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  • ReesesPiecesReesesPieces Member Posts: 780
    It sure looks the same to me! "$10 retail value"? Wow.
    Maybe they are going by the ebay prices some people are selling for. :)

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  • klintonklinton CanadaMember Posts: 417
    That's a bit of a relief, tbh. I only buy those gawd awful movies for the minifigs. I can happily skip this one. :D
    gmonkey76
  • jmeninnojmeninno The Batcave (MA)Member Posts: 687
    I, for one, am very disappointed to see a missed opportunity for a new Bat family member minifig or potentially a new villain.
    PJ76uk
  • PJ76ukPJ76uk Derby, UKMember Posts: 348
    jmeninno said:
    I, for one, am very disappointed to see a missed opportunity for a new Bat family member minifig or potentially a new villain.
    That would've been nice to have. I always buy the films for my eldest as he is mad for the DC Super Hero films and I usually get to add a new minifigure to my growing collection (don't worry, my son gets some Lego either from the store or from my stash to compensate him!).
  • klintonklinton CanadaMember Posts: 417
    What is this random poly on the main site, #30623
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  • Mr_CrossMr_Cross East Anglia (UK)Member Posts: 956
    So, Robert Pattinson is going to be depicted by another minifigure... I think he'll do an okay job as Batman, I'm certainly prepared to be surprised. It's a bit of a shame as I quite liked Batfleck.
  • RedbullgivesuwindRedbullgivesuwind Brickset's Secret HeadquatersMember Posts: 1,731
    I think R Pats (maybe it should be R Bats now) will do a decent job. He is a lot better than just twilight. It comes down to what they are going to do with the story. We have seen enough origin stories, I think just pick up as in Justice League where Bats has been around for a while. Show him doing some actual detective work. 
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,110
    A lot of people are pushing for a Batman Beyond based story, bring Keaton back to play an old Bruce Wayne and have R Pats as Terry.
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    edited May 19
    My initial reaction is to dislike a pasty teen heartthrob vampire being cast as a genius billion playboy philanthropist, but everything will depend on the quality of the story.  I'm trying to keep an open mind.

    I also disliked the idea of Affleck, but he did a servicable job in some clunkly, garbage-filled movies.  

    (Or maybe it's also my visceral reaction to the terrible things happenings on the Gotham show.)
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  • J0rgenJ0rgen NorwayMember Posts: 193
    Pattinson hasn't been a teen heartthrob for years, so I think he could be great. Have you seen him in Good Time, Lost City of Z or Childhood of a Leader, for instance? He's got a hell of a lot more range than Ben Affleck.
    catwrangler
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,732
    One of the beautiful things about Batman is that there's always going to be other adaptations. I think Pattinson has a fair chance of pulling the role off, and if not, well, it's not like we only get one shot at Batman on screen...
    Aanchir
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    Someone should do a Batman Du Jour miniseries.  Different actors, different stories, etc.

    I'd like to see Tom Hiddleston, Tom Holland, Idris Elba... maybe just about every Marvel actor.
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  • DougTemplarDougTemplar Edinburgh, ScotlandMember Posts: 528
    When casting for Batman.... you really aren't actually worried about acting skill. It's the Bruce Wayne part that needs some ability and the right looks. Can you come across as a rich spoiled brat who can have any woman he wants it seems fall for him (or his money) and annoy everyone else in the room that this guy has all the money in the world and can do what he likes? If you can nail that - and it's more difficult than you think. Then you can cast Bruce Wayne. Batman on the other hand if they don't need to be bruce at all can be anyone who looks intense and growls a lot.

    So can our new first choice play Bruce well and can he also do dark and brooding (ish)?

    I think he can. I'm more worried about the fact that we now have to face the possibility that Batman is of all things a Hufflepuff.
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  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,110
    I'd argue that the downside of that logic is that Clooney made perfect sense as Bruce Wayne but holy moly was he a terrible Batman!
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    Shib said:
    I'd argue that the downside of that logic is that Clooney made perfect sense as Bruce Wayne but holy moly was he a terrible Batman!
    If you put even the Best Batman in that clunker of a movie, they'd be terrible.  Bale, Keaton, Conroy, or Bader, it wouldn't matter.

    Maybe.... Adam West could have pulled it off.  
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  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,110
    Which is why West is best! ;-)
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