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Lego using illegal techniques?

MiubouMiubou USAs hand...Member Posts: 24
edited January 14 in Building and Techniques
Lego has always had techniques that they never use, like the clip and tile, but in 2015 with the avengers helicarrier came with a few barricade that used a 1*4 tile and a 1*1 clip, fast forward to modern day and there is so far there was none usually uses them until 2019 with the pirate ship minecraft set and it came with a parrot that had a strange way they used the tail, a 1*1 tile with a 1*1 side clip for its tail, now i do not know if there has been any others in recent years other than the helicarrier...

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  • HuwHuw Brickset Towers, Hampshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 6,357
    The Helicarrier connection is legal now because the 1x1 clip has been redesigned.
    Bumblepantsthenoskiki180703gmonkey76Aanchir
  • CaptainRogersCaptainRogers Greensboro, NCMember Posts: 680
    I just build #31077 Modular Sweet Surprises and they use a 1x2 tile with 2 clips as a technique. Some building methods are just illegal until they aren't. But I'll be surprised the day that Lego starts using minifigure hands as detailing. 
    BrickchapBaby_Yodakiki180703
  • stluxstlux LuxembourgMember Posts: 2,118
    Had a look at the instructions for #21152 Pirate Ship, and that parrot tail seems fine? Looks like the connection called out as legal on page 32 of Jamie's "Stressing The Elements" presentation.
    MiubouBaby_YodaTheBigLegoskiAanchir
  • shikadishikadi TRU AlumniMember Posts: 55
    In the Saturn V set the flag tile is connected between two studs on a plate, that was also specifically called out as illegal in the past, but I think once TLG uses it it becomes legal
  • natro220natro220 USAMember Posts: 541
    shikadi said:
    In the Saturn V set the flag tile is connected between two studs on a plate, that was also specifically called out as illegal in the past, but I think once TLG uses it it becomes legal
    Kind of like the “if the President does it, it’s not illegal” argument. I’m not sure if I’m comfortable with the Lego/Nixon connection.
    SprinkleOtterBrickchapkiki180703mafon
  • 560Heliport560Heliport Twin Cities, MN, USAMember Posts: 723
    ...Nixon? I thought you meant someone else!
    Astrobricks
  • MiubouMiubou USAs hand...Member Posts: 24
    stlux said:
    Had a look at the instructions for #21152 Pirate Ship, and that parrot tail seems fine? Looks like the connection called out as legal on page 32 of Jamie's "Stressing The Elements" presentation.
    i did not know about the new redesign or of the change in lego rules 
  • GeordiePaulGeordiePaul Glastonbury, CT, USAMember Posts: 463
    @560Heliport I’m sure you’re not the only person who thought that, myself included!
  • CathyVTCathyVT VermontMember Posts: 76
    edited January 11
    Thank you for sharing the Stressing the Elements presentation - very interesting. On p. 24 it has the vertical plate in a horizontal plate marked as illegal. But that's how the "ears" of the horse are connected to the head in the classic 375 castle - http://peeron.com/scans/375-2/18 Maybe it matters that it's a tile, not a plate, in 375? Or maybe they later decided it's illegal.

    Edited to add - I continued reading Stressing the Elements, and on p. 28 it explains that that technique was legal back then, illegal now. So, nevermind!
    LittleLori
  • GeordiePaulGeordiePaul Glastonbury, CT, USAMember Posts: 463
    @stlux Thanks for posting that link, it was very interesting. Hard to believe that having the word ‘Lego’ on top of a stud can make a certain connection illegal.
    TheBigLegoski
  • Pumpkin_3CK5Pumpkin_3CK5 CaliforniaMember Posts: 761
    D. Yes, but it's not my fault. 
    Baby_Yoda
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,083
    E. Maybe, but "maybe" like when your mum says, "Maybe I'll buy that for you if you behave while in the store." Refer to 'a' for clarification.
    Pumpkin_3CK5
  • omniumomnium Brickenham, UKMember Posts: 723
    According to Jang, the nano scale Hogwarts Castle uses an illegal technique to connect the arched walkway.
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Minnesota, USMember Posts: 2,172
    D. Yes, but it's not my fault. 
    Baby_Yoda said:
    E. Maybe, but "maybe" like when your mum says, "Maybe I'll buy that for you if you behave while in the store." Refer to 'a' for clarification.
    You guys on the same thread as the rest of us?
    BumblepantsSprinkleOtterBaby_YodaCM4SPumpkin_3CK5mafonBrainslugged
  • BrickByBrickBrickByBrick Massachusetts, USAMember Posts: 582
    No they aren't, the brickset cult top secret thread is just beginning to leak out into the rest of the forum
    SprinkleOtterBaby_YodaPumpkin_3CK5MaffyD
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,083
    D. Yes, but it's not my fault. 
    Baby_Yoda said:
    E. Maybe, but "maybe" like when your mum says, "Maybe I'll buy that for you if you behave while in the store." Refer to 'a' for clarification.
    You guys on the same thread as the rest of us?
    A. No
    Pumpkin_3CK5AstrobricksBumblepantsCasper_vd_KorfCM4Sdmcc0
  • monkyby87monkyby87 Member Posts: 299
    Legal vs illegal builds is such a bizarre concept and nearly impossible to get a “lay” person to understand. 
    CorsairAanchir
  • CyberdragonCyberdragon Maryland, U.S.AMember Posts: 364
    But some are also specific case. Like no AFOL cares if system bricks get stuck in technic holes, just use a brick seperator. Also, about not sticking cones into the bottom of bricks, some cones are slightly different and do have stops.
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,083
    I guess Lego have to build sets that kids can handle, but AFOLs don't. There are occasionally techniques used in Modulars and the likes that would never make it to a playset. Kind of like how smoking is legal, but not for children.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,318
    Baby_Yoda said:
    Kind of like how smoking is legal, but not for children.
    It is legal for children to smoke here. What is illegal is selling the cigarettes to children. However, if they get hold of them somehow, then the children don't break the law if they smoke.
    SprinkleOtterdmcc0mafon
  • sid3windrsid3windr BelgiumMember Posts: 1,317
    shikadi said:
    In the Saturn V set the flag tile is connected between two studs on a plate, that was also specifically called out as illegal in the past, but I think once TLG uses it it becomes legal
    Actually, I don't think it was ever called out as illegal (it's also used in 80s cars etc). As far as I can remember, sticking a plate in between studs is illegal, but a tile isn't.
    stluxgmonkey76omniumAanchir
  • Casper_vd_KorfCasper_vd_Korf Twente, The NetherlandsMember Posts: 49
    CCC said:
    Baby_Yoda said:
    Kind of like how smoking is legal, but not for children.
    It is legal for children to smoke here. What is illegal is selling the cigarettes to children. However, if they get hold of them somehow, then the children don't break the law if they smoke.
    That makes it even better! It is illegal to put the techniques in the sets being sold, but as a kid I still used them.
    Baby_Yoda
  • jnscoelhojnscoelho PortugalMember Posts: 248
    CCC said:
    Baby_Yoda said:
    Kind of like how smoking is legal, but not for children.
    It is legal for children to smoke here. What is illegal is selling the cigarettes to children. However, if they get hold of them somehow, then the children don't break the law if they smoke.
    That makes it even better! It is illegal to put the techniques in the sets being sold, but as a kid I still used them.
    Ahahah, who didn't? :D

    Off-topic: you're a korfball fan?
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,083
    CCC said:
    Baby_Yoda said:
    Kind of like how smoking is legal, but not for children.
    It is legal for children to smoke here. What is illegal is selling the cigarettes to children. However, if they get hold of them somehow, then the children don't break the law if they smoke.
    That makes it even better! It is illegal to put the techniques in the sets being sold, but as a kid I still used them.
    Yeah, that's probably a bit better. You're not supposed to sell them to kids, but somehow all the kids end up with them anyway...
    SprinkleOtter
  • snowhitiesnowhitie BelgiumMember Posts: 2,780
    omnium said:
    According to Jang, the nano scale Hogwarts Castle uses an illegal technique to connect the arched walkway.
    So, I was just building this part of the castle (video here and @Huw talks about it in his review too). When I was putting in the bridge it didn't seem to be forced at all. It fitted perfectly. But at the end of the bag I had a 1x1 stud left over. Lo and behold, when I put that one in, it did put stress on the rest of the bridge. So it seems to me that if you skip the stud in step 231, there is no issue at all. I wonder if I accidently stumbled on the solution?

    Anyone who has got this built up at the moment, would be interesting to see if you agree with me. Here is the picture with the stud missing, so it looks like one of the arches isn't totally finished. But, all the other bricks now line up perfectly and no stress. Plus it's on the inside of the build so you can't really see it.

    FowlerBricksAanchirMuftak1
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Minnesota, USMember Posts: 2,172
    edited January 27
    ^ I think you meant a 1x1 brick in step 231 of book 4.
    im2cre8iv
  • Casper_vd_KorfCasper_vd_Korf Twente, The NetherlandsMember Posts: 49
    jnscoelho said:
    Ahahah, who didn't? :D

    Off-topic: you're a korfball fan?
    Nope, just my real name!
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,083
    Seeing as how this thread is back, I thought it'd be worth mentioning that the slideshow posted here earlier has coincidentally become a popular meme over the past couple of weeks. Seems to have started on r/lego and spread to mainstream Reddit before going to Instagram. Not exactly meaningful news to most people here, but I think it's funny how these things turn out.
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