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Bricklinking 10179 UCS Millenium Falcon

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  • LegoboyLegoboy Member Posts: 8,827
    ^ She offered me the black ones and I said "No thankyou".

    Just as we were about to say 'bye' she jumped back in and said "One sec". She went on to confirm the grey ones were coming back into stock.

    Like I said, it may well be a red-herring, but I'd hold off spending silly money on them for a few weeks or so until it's been confirmed.
  • AvengerDrAvengerDr Member Posts: 453
    I hope you get the right ones then!
    It's too late for me now :(
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    Just want to provide a benchmark for those who want to undertake this project.

    It cost exactly €726 (approx.. $947) including shipping costs to gather all parts new and with no substitutions.
    Yikes...

    Does that include the manual and sticker sheet?

    If so, not bad, if a used set is $1,500, then you got paid about $50 an hour to do that work, not a bad rate.

    If it doesn't include those, what do they cost to add?

    Was it all new parts, or some used?
  • parkerwilsonparkerwilson Member Posts: 142
    I came in at about $800 (plus whatever its gonna cost when I find the 60 bley handles) for 95% new pieces and the instruction book and Stickers

  • Rainstorm26Rainstorm26 Member Posts: 1,013
    At some point if a lot of people decide to do this the prices of some of the pieces that are not very prevalent on BL will go up.
  • 111ins111ins Member Posts: 265
    just listed 2 for $46 each :)
  • LegoboyLegoboy Member Posts: 8,827
    ^ Sell 'em quick. :o)
  • 111ins111ins Member Posts: 265
    just sold 2, listed two more ;)
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    Speaking of 10179, I just looked at the market again, the prices have jumped again...

    There is a single set below $2K on bricklink right now, but otherwise they are all $2K or higher.

    Who wants to place bets that they will be $3K by Christmas?

    Why post this here? Only because it makes a case that perhaps spending $1K to part together your own set on Bricklink isn't as crazy as I once thought it would be. If it can be done for $800 using mostly new parts, that is actually a pretty good deal.

    Thoughts?
  • StuBoyStuBoy Member Posts: 623
    Man, I pieced together about 8 months ago when it was around $1200US, however I don't have instructions or stickers, so not 100% complete, but I'm not worried about those if its sitting above $2000 now.

    I don't remember the grey rigging being too expensive and managed to find all the grey levers, so possibly did it at the right time. Good news if Lego is getting more grey rigging in stock though.
  • RennyRenny Member Posts: 1,145
    edited March 2012
    I won't be taking that Bet. I remember seeing (and bidding) on new falcon sets during Christmas that sold for around $1300 - $1500. In just 3 months the prices have soared. Call me crazy, many have, but I just bought a 1st edition msib for 2k. Not sure what is causing this set's price tag to skyrocket so quickly the last few months.

    Piecing one together sounds like it might be the only option and even that option will become more expensive over time.
  • parkerwilsonparkerwilson Member Posts: 142
    Speaking of 10179, I just looked at the market again, the prices have jumped again...

    There is a single set below $2K on bricklink right now, but otherwise they are all $2K or higher.

    Who wants to place bets that they will be $3K by Christmas?

    Why post this here? Only because it makes a case that perhaps spending $1K to part together your own set on Bricklink isn't as crazy as I once thought it would be. If it can be done for $800 using mostly new parts, that is actually a pretty good deal.

    Thoughts?
    Yes considering I was wanting this set to build, I like you thought $800 was a much better option than purchasing a used factory set. Yes I am missing the box but I can live without that as this is a set for personal enjoyment.
  • aeloleaelole Member Posts: 34
    @LegoFanTexas

    It includes stickers but no instructions. All pieces are new. A used one in Europe also sells for about $1500 (EUR 1200). Since I am not planning to sell it, I think I did more or less ok with respect to costs.

    Too bad I didn't know about the reproduction of the riggings... I was waiting for the a good deal but eventually bought it at a high price two weeks ago :(
  • atxdadatxdad Member Posts: 68
    I missed this thread earlier, but three weeks ago I started a discussion of a tool I wrote that addresses this very problem: finding the least expensive combination of BrickLink vendors selling a desired list of parts. Since then, a popular use for it has been trying to source the parts for discontinued sets.

    http://www.bricksetforum.com/discussion/comment/58529

    Applying it to set 10179 as an example shows that:
    - There are 1,553 vendors worldwide selling at least one of the pieces used in 10179
    - There are 4 or fewer vendors selling each of the 4 rarest parts: hose 75c12, printed dish, boat rigging, gray levers
    - Even ignoring the 4 rarest pieces, you'd still have to search the following to buy all the remaining pieces from multiple vendors at least expense:

    * 1,205,128 combinations of any 2 vendors
    * 623,051,176 combinations of any 3 vendors
    * 241,432,330,700 combinations of any 4 vendors, etc.

    The tool does that search for you. It confirmed that there were no two or three vendors from which you could buy all of 10179's common parts. Still waiting on that 4-vendor solution...
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    Very interesting...

    I would doubt there would be 10 vendors you could buy everything from, but who knows... :)
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,169
    I saw quite a few pieces that were far cheaper to get via Lego than Bricklink - especially the structural pieces like the retangular techic closed beams and the yellow right angle technic pieces. I have one of the grey rigging pieces, hopefully will be able to get the other cheaply if Lego restock. I have about half the reqired pieces currently, but after buying the IS 10212, X-Wing 9493, Tie Fighter 9492, Home one and a few endor battle packs recently, I think I might have to hold off a few months spending big on Lego. What stichers does the MF have apart from the nameplate/display?
  • 111ins111ins Member Posts: 265
    If you buy the two extra of the hose pieces, you can cut the extra's to get the correct length for the shorter ones, less vendors to look for.
  • parkerwilsonparkerwilson Member Posts: 142
    Hose pieces can all be gotten from Lego
  • atxdadatxdad Member Posts: 68
    My search tool was able to find a solution for buying all of 10179's 'common' pieces on BrickLink, but it requires 9 vendors to fill and the price is comparable to a used/complete set on BrickLink. Summary info: 
    Combination #1   TOTAL COST: $1346.39
       Cost    Lots   Name
    $112.98     37    Another Bricklink Store
     $96.98     73    BRICKS-FROM-EDDI
    $680.65     26    Big LeBrickski BIG MINIMUM
     $72.79     43    Dave's Brick Space
     $68.62     79    Lotsa Bricks 071
    $110.76     91    SILeGLOstore
     $73.40     36    Sajmon`s  store
    $102.75     44    Wallacovy kostiky
     $27.46     34    alex GO  STORE
    Caveats:
    - This search was for New OR Used parts, whichever is available
    - Only the 49 BrickLink vendors with the most lots from the 10179 parts list were considered, i.e. the top of the 'Wanted/By Shop' list. This was done to significantly reduce run time.
    - Completing the order's 4 rare pieces requires the use of one more BrickLink vendor (and more expense):
       * dish 50990pb03 and lever 298c05 are available from solution vendor LeBrickski above
       * hose 75c12 and rigging 47996 are available from vendor StoneWars (or Lego Shop?)

    This solution took only a few minutes of human effort and a few hours CPU time, but it is not guaranteed to be the minimum cost because the search space was limited. A cheaper solution likely exists but requires more human effort to manually search or more hours of CPU time to find. Identifying all pieces that can be any color would let the search find a cheaper solution, but that's another investment in human effort.

    In this case, I would buy a used set off BrickLink before ordering this specific example, but it 1) proves that a BrickLink-only solution for sourcing 10179 exists, and 2) sets an upper limit to the amount one should spend sourcing the set.
  • StuBoyStuBoy Member Posts: 623
    ^ I think the Big LeBrickski is the most expensive store on Bricklink, and total cost could be reduced a great deal by sourcing those parts from a few other sellers IMO. I know you have to weigh up extra shipping costs, but US $0.22 for a black 1x1 brick is pretty horrendous.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    Agree with the above... It sounds expensive compared to what others have posted here...

    For $1,200 (plus shipping I assume), I'd just buy a used factory set...

    Others have posted that it can be done for around $800. Still sounds expensive all things considered... :) Then again, my wife thinks anything over $50 for a Lego set sounds expensive, so don't ask her. ;)
  • DiggydoesDiggydoes Member Posts: 1,079
    I've actually finished the project "Bl 10179"a couple of months ago(before the printed dish and the rigging skyrockets in price). I have no idea how much i've spent to complete it (i'm kinda afraid to calculate it),but it was a lot of fun!...somehow!
    Since i part out sets (sell the minifigs and usually i get all the bricks for free or at really low cost) i can only recommend to do the same! For example i've parted out three Republic Frigates when they where new on the market (sold the minifigs plus some rare parts like the grey panels and ended up at paying zero!),each of the sets had about 100parts i could use for the MF! I know it's time consuming,but i guess that i collected about 2000pieces (for free) for the MF that way!
  • NeopterygiiNeopterygii Member Posts: 12
    Does anyone have a ballpark figure for what it would cost to BL a 10030?
  • 111ins111ins Member Posts: 265
    Well, with a part out value of over $1500, and used sets available on BL for about $500.... why not buy the whole thing..
  • luckyrussluckyruss Member Posts: 872
    ^^ if you were going to BL it, you'd probably want to do it in new grey (bley) rather than original "old grey". No idea what that does to the likely cost though.

    I did consider trying to work out what the piece overlap with the UCS falcon was - how many more parts would you need to be able to build either one or the other. Anyone else looked at that?
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    There is very little overlap, go to rebrickable, it will tell you exactly how much.
  • AvengerDrAvengerDr Member Posts: 453
    Just received the radar dish from the US. It is huge! Compared to the dishes used in 10198, this is exceptionally big.. Oh well now if only I could find a secret stash of 60 light bley levers.. :)
  • parkerwilsonparkerwilson Member Posts: 142
    Just received the radar dish from the US. It is huge! Compared to the dishes used in 10198, this is exceptionally big.. Oh well now if only I could find a secret stash of 60 light bley levers.. :)
    No kidding

  • aeloleaelole Member Posts: 34
    ^^ Order them from TLG
  • VegittVegitt Member Posts: 9
    TLG dont supply light bley levers anymore. The bases are light bley, but the actual levers are black. I tried when I did my Falcon, had to settle for black ones in the end, doesnt look too bad to be honest.
  • aeloleaelole Member Posts: 34
    Hopefully they will restock it like they will do with the rigging.. Btw can anyone confirm the restock for the rigging?
  • parkerwilsonparkerwilson Member Posts: 142
    I just got off the phone with Lego and was told the yellow technic 5x5 angle was out of stock and not to me offered any longer, does seem odd though with 10221 still in production using the brick. Just thought I would give a heads up.
  • LegobrandonCPLegobrandonCP Member Posts: 1,917
    I just got off the phone with Lego and was told the yellow technic 5x5 angle was out of stock and not to me offered any longer, does seem odd though with 10221 still in production using the brick. Just thought I would give a heads up.
    Maybe you should try talking to another customer service rep. Sometimes one would know something another does not. Just a thought.
  • ringleheimringleheim Member Posts: 168
    I have found this entire thread to be fascinating as I missed this set in my Dark Ages and would love to acquire it. I am also new to bricklinkand don't really know how that works fully.

    Forgive me for this maybe being slightly off-topic, but...

    The rather high prices discussed here are kind of alarming! Whether you get a used set, go the bricklink route, or pony up for a MIB set, all the prices are much higher than the kit originally cost. And this was on sale at one point, was it not from TLG? What was the lowest price this set could have been bought at in a shiny brand new box from Lego? $400?

    I have decided my approach to discontinued kits of this type that soar in value is to simply say "too bad, I missed that one" and wait for the next big thing from Lego to capture my interest. Buy new, when the sets are still in production. That's the lesson learned.

    However, if there was 1 set I might make an exception for, it would be this one! I actually saw this set displayed at a Lego store during my Dark Ages. It was astounding! It is just gigantic. I also remember the cost of $499 as being shocking. At the time I didn't know Lego made kits that big and that expensive.

    If only I had the wisdom at the time to buy one! And if only I could have seen my future regained interest in Lego!

  • andystarandystar Member Posts: 275
    ^ @ringleheim I recently tried to BrickLink the UCS Falcon to cost it out. If you don't care about obtaining the rare parts: ie the radar dish, rigging, light blue grey levers, stickers, and instruction manual, and you are willing to make a few color substitutions on the interior superstructure (that won't be visible anyway) it is possible to obtain all the remaining parts in brand new condition for about $650. Obtaining the rare parts, instructions, stickets, etc easily adds another $300-$400 dollars, which I couldn't justify for only a few parts.
  • AvengerDrAvengerDr Member Posts: 453
    ^^ to this day I can't forget the moment while I walked past one MF forgotten on the shelves of a toy store.. I looked at it and thought "nahh too expensive".. I was still in my dark ages :(

    If I only had known! Today I still have 3000 pieces left.. but I do own the grey boat rigging and the radar dish. So have there been any updates regarding the levers? Recently a bricklink seller reported having them available but he charges about €2 per lever! That would be 120€ for a handful of levers...
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 811
    http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=EM100&itemID=32253400
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=EM100&itemID=32253400
    A buck each sounds really expensive for that part, but who knows, perhaps that is the going rate...
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Member Posts: 3,639
    Dear all, I would like to make a public plea for help on the infamous Radardish and Light Bley Masts. Looking for a reasonable offer on these if anyone out there has them available.
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,169
    Brickdancer, me too, although I do have one mast, I suspect they're up to about £50 each now, are they? Wonder if anyone could print the dish up from a plain one the same way as some people custon print minifigs?
  • woony2woony2 Member Posts: 336
    Having read this thread with interest I thought I'd weigh in with my 10179 story. I was well out of my dark ages when this set came out and already had a few UCS sets but could simply not get my head round £350 for a lego set, no matter how big. Plus I was moving house at the time and money was needed elsewhere. Anyway once I'd moved house I decided to lower the box count on my hi-fi system and ended up putting 3 units in the loft. 2 years later I got around to selling these units and got exactly £350 for them. Hey presto I have the money for the MF. If any of you out there are the same as me, money in your paypal account is 'free money'. So I log onto [email protected] and find out it was retired 2 days earlier. GUTTED. From that day on nothing in the UK at least sold for less than £600.
    Contemplated the BL route but having done that for many MOC's I knew the effort that it would require.
    Anyway getting back on topic, and a question asked by @gmpirate and @jadeirene in March this year I noticed a partially finished BL version on ebay (description said 90% complete) and the pictures showed the dish and rigging in place. Thought about it for a bit and on the way home from work I decided to email the seller and offer him £400 for it. Got home and it had ended, looked like a buy it now had been added and it had gone for £350. GUTTED again.
    A few weeks later I see the same seller had another up for sale. Turns out it was the same one (don't know if he had a non payer or what) but this time he had sourced the remaining pieces, so apart from the stickers and instructions was now complete. He even added C3-PO and R2-D2 that aren't in the set (but I was missing from 8092 Luke's Landspeeder). Anyway I pondered it for about 10mins then did it. Then all the doubts set in, is it real, has someone hijacked an ebay account, am I an idiot, turns out not. 4 days later it arrives it work (have to have it delivered there to hide it from the wife). Check out the contents and sure enough it is all there, but even more surprising is the fact that all the parts were brand new, none faded, scatched or damaged.
    So the moral here is 1- patience and 2- there are decent honest sellers out there, they could easily have sold this for much more and said it was an official set and somebody would have bought it.
    Don't get me wrong £450 is still a lot of money for a Lego set and I am well aware that I am lucky enough to be in a position to spent that sort of money, but I thought £450 for this set in this market, when most are selling for around £1000 (one even sold for £3000 recently,1st ed MISB) was a great coop for me at least.
    Now has anybody BL'ed 10143 Death Star II as these seem to be selling for silly money lately.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    10143 Looks like it should be pretty cheap to Bricklink, BL says the parts are worth $509.88 right now in 137 lots.

    How much and how hard it really is to get everything, I don't know, but it doesn't seem like it should be too hard, I don't see anything really special or unique there.

    That being said, if you end up spending around $600 to BL it, why not just buy a new copy for $900 or a used copy for $750? Those copies will come with the box and instructions, which have value, and you don't risk missing a few critical parts.

    Just my thoughts... of course I have yet to BL a big set, so I really don't know.
  • LegoboyLegoboy Member Posts: 8,827
    @woony2 - Great story, congratulations. A very good deal that deserves to be in the 'Brag thread'. I'm not sure how you lasted 'til now to buy!?
  • MorkManMorkMan Member Posts: 916
    So I've read the thread with interest, but have a question for the group.
    Are there services that will do all the leg work of finding and sourcing the parts for you? I could imagine paying a premium for the kind of service that goes and buys up all the parts for you, collects it all, confirms it all, and then drop ships it to you. For a fee of course.
  • gmpirategmpirate Member Posts: 1,654
    ^ Lol, I'm sure you could find people who would do it. but considering the labor involved, I don't think you would save any money. And why would you? A completed set is a completed set. What difference would it make if some of the pieces were produced last year or ten years ago.

    Maybe what you are looking for is a completed set without the box or instructions. There you would save money.
  • MorkManMorkMan Member Posts: 916
    ^ That's my question, I guess. Is it cheaper to source a UCF MF part by part or go get a used one on eBay/BL/etc (plus a "fee for someone else to do it)? That begs the second question, if it is a "sourced" MF, is it any different than a completed set without the box or instructions?
  • Brick_ObsessionBrick_Obsession Member Posts: 656
    I found this inspiring so I am going to give one of my "nemesis's" a shot. I am going to Bricklink the 7191.

    I wish you luck on the 4200+ more pieces to collect, lol!
  • AvengerDrAvengerDr Member Posts: 453
    I am 600 parts shy of the mark.. If I can get the remaining ones it will be 98.84% accurate.. I have been unable to find any lbg lever. TLG sent the me the lbg/black ones :(

    Funny thing is that I can't even start building it.. I am lacking some of the weird technic bricks. I'll have to call TLG for those, BL doesn't have them in large quantities..
  • 111ins111ins Member Posts: 265
    I got the technic bricks from LEGO too, they are still relatively expensive per part but much better than BL right now. They are also an internal part so if they do not have the original yellow, any other colour will do.
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 811
    I'm Bricklinking 10143 and It should cost me around £250 for all the parts box,sticker and instructions. i need another 1000 odd parts and i'm finished.
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