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  • NicksBricksNicksBricks United StatesMember Posts: 210
    I am interested to see if we will get any set reveals at Blizzcon. Guess we will find out next month.
    77ncaachamps
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,247
    Aanchir said:
    Jokes aside, terms like goblin, troll, and orc generally don't have the issue of being extremely common parlance for actual human beings who are differently sized or shaped than average
    Really? I like to think of myself as a bit of a troll...
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,882
    Baby_Yoda said:
    Really? I like to think of myself as a bit of a troll...
    It will not be long until the council makes you a troll master.
    Baby_Yoda
  • Gibbo1959Gibbo1959 Northumbria UKMember Posts: 287
    Can I just say that I'm pleased to see this thread beginning to show promising signs of going significantly off topic...
    560HeliportBaby_YodaCM4S
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    Gibbo1959 said:
    Can I just say that I'm pleased to see this thread beginning to show promising signs of going significantly off topic...
    We are easily bored.  Otherwise, the topic sinks to the depths of the Forum vortex...
    Gibbo1959Baby_Yoda
  • 560Heliport560Heliport Twin Cities, MN, USAMember Posts: 892
    Easily bored... but also easily amused! So it all balances out.
    Gibbo1959Baby_Yoda
  • KeyboardKafeKeyboardKafe My computer desk in Gotham City, NJ Member Posts: 5
    I remember when Overwatch first came out, and my friends and I waited in line at GameStop to get a copy. As with everything new that I get into, I thought, "Would LEGO do this?"

    Then I saw how revealing Widowmaker's outfit was, saw that McCree had the F-bomb anagram on his belt buckle, and realized that the whole game was about killing other players, and thought, "Hmm... nah."

    Guess I was wrong, lol. I'm really happy about it though, I love the game's setting and characters, and think seeing them in LEGO form would be amazing. I just hope all the heroes are done well. Tracer looks good, lacking a bit in the arm printing, and minifig height is quite tall for her, but I can't complain when Harry has been taller than everyone in the Harry Potter series because of his hair for near 17 years, even though Daniel Radcliffe is only like 5'5.

    Do you guys think the new mid-length, articulate legs are a possibility for this line?
  • LyichirLyichir United StatesMember Posts: 733
    Do you guys think the new mid-length, articulate legs are a possibility for this line?
     I can't really think of any characters they'd be necessary for... Torbjorn is the only "short" hero and he's short enough that they might opt for the previously existing non-articulated short legs on him. Other than that the characters mostly cover a pretty typical adult height range, with the exception of Bastion, Roadhog, and Reinhardt. Bastion will most likely be brick-built and Roadhog and Reinhardt are probably going to be bigfigs of some variety.
  • KeyboardKafeKeyboardKafe My computer desk in Gotham City, NJ Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2018
    Lyichir said:
    Do you guys think the new mid-length, articulate legs are a possibility for this line?
     I can't really think of any characters they'd be necessary for...
    I was thinking Mei and Lucio, because they're both a bit shorter than many of the other heroes. Their heights and body shapes already vary quite wildly to all be normal minifigures, but since it's a good medium of character representation I'm not too concerned about it. And yeah, I expected Torb to have the shortest legs.
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,882
    Wow exclusive to Blizzard? I hear the reseller vultures circling
    HanzoSumoLegoMr_CrossBaby_Yoda
  • 560Heliport560Heliport Twin Cities, MN, USAMember Posts: 892
    Ooh! I like the cardinal!
    SumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    (Just bought two, even though I know nothing about this.)
    Hanzovwong19davetheoxygenmanBaby_Yoda
  • NicksBricksNicksBricks United StatesMember Posts: 210
    Fore those interested in knowing a little about Bastion.



    AanchirSeanTheCollectorFowlerBricksSumoLegoSMCLittleLori
  • BrickByBrickBrickByBrick Massachusetts, USAMember Posts: 630
    For anyone who's interested I tried to check if there was an order limit, turns out there isn't and they have 20782 left, so for only $519,550.00 you could corner the market. 

    As far as the set, I'm not a fan at all and definitely won't buy one especially at this price.
    BumblepantsBaby_Yodasid3windr
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    edited October 2018
    Limited to 20k!!!!!!!

    (I tried to hit the 'Place Order' Button, but it's only a picture.)
    BrickByBrick
  • Mr_HobblesMr_Hobbles San FranciscoMember Posts: 277
    Seems it's down to 10,046 now - selling fast!
  • UmandraugUmandraug Doomstadt, LatveriaMember Posts: 69
    edited October 2018
    so for only $519,550.00 you could corner the market. 
    If I had a few $100k lying around, that seems like that would be a good resale investment. I mean, I would have to store and resell several thousand of those still... Might not be worth the time.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    (And they would just do another production run, and you'd - and Blizzard - would be stuck with 10k, and 20k of these stupid figures.)
    Baby_Yoda
  • FowlerBricksFowlerBricks USAMember Posts: 1,637
    I just saw the Widowmaker figure leaked and I have to say, I'm not happy at all. That is not the kind of minifigure that is good for kids. :(
  • LyichirLyichir United StatesMember Posts: 733
    I just saw the Widowmaker figure leaked and I have to say, I'm not happy at all. That is not the kind of minifigure that is good for kids. :(
    Why? It's no worse than some of the figs we've had in themes like Star Wars or Pirates of the Caribbean. Honestly I think the fig does a pretty good job capturing the character design without putting too much focus on the sexuality.
    Baby_YodaAanchirgmonkey76
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    And who knows if its the actual final minifigure.  The Tracer minifigure de-emphasized what could be considered an overly-sexualized cartoon.  I'd expect something closer to Proxima Midnight or Gamora than the first iteration of Slave Leia.  

    (But, what do I know?)
    gmonkey76
  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 1,740
    I think it will be the final figures as its probably nicked from the factory. 
    SumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    SMC said:
    I think it will be the final figures as its probably nicked from the factory. 
    I can't say I'll be surprised if LEGO takes some criticism if it is the final version.  Considering it is simple to sanitize the more provocative characters.
  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 1,740
    edited October 2018
    ^ Yep Oola from 9516 doesn't look as risqué just because there are no lines on the nude part.

    For example a bad photoshop (paint):


    CM4S
  • LyichirLyichir United StatesMember Posts: 733
    SMC said:
    ^ Yep Oola from 9516 doesn't look as risqué just because there are no lines on the nude part.

    For example a bad photoshop (paint):


    That seems unnecessary to me, to be honest. The visible "cleavage" is already so minimal as to be trivial—removing what little detail is visible on the bare skin seems to be overkill (in fact, the absence of detail there seems to hold my gaze on that spot in a weird way, maybe because there's no obvious directional lines to carry it back away from that central point. Though that might say more about the way my ADHD/autistic brain is wired than about the design itself or your edit) . Maybe the pearl-clutchingest parents might object to a bit of bare skin, but probably not enough to make a difference one way or another.

    There's also the bigger question of why a scant amount of cleavage like this is viewed as inappropriate for children while pretty much nobody blinks an eye at full upper body nudity for a whole bunch of male figs... but that's a much bigger debate I'm not keen on hashing out here.
    AanchirSumoLegoCM4S
  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 1,740
    Well men are women are different.
    SumoLegodatsunrobbie
  • HanzoHanzo VAMember Posts: 607
    Lyichir said:
    SMC said:
    ^ Yep Oola from 9516 doesn't look as risqué just because there are no lines on the nude part.

    For example a bad photoshop (paint):


    That seems unnecessary to me, to be honest. The visible "cleavage" is already so minimal as to be trivial—removing what little detail is visible on the bare skin seems to be overkill (in fact, the absence of detail there seems to hold my gaze on that spot in a weird way, maybe because there's no obvious directional lines to carry it back away from that central point. Though that might say more about the way my ADHD/autistic brain is wired than about the design itself or your edit) . Maybe the pearl-clutchingest parents might object to a bit of bare skin, but probably not enough to make a difference one way or another.

    There's also the bigger question of why a scant amount of cleavage like this is viewed as inappropriate for children while pretty much nobody blinks an eye at full upper body nudity for a whole bunch of male figs... but that's a much bigger debate I'm not keen on hashing out here.
    That's just the American way.  Violence, blood, guts, explosions, shooting, fighting etc on regular TV?  Sure.  A boob?  OMG alert the FCC!  Same applies to pretty much everything else here.  And I don't see it changing anytime soon.
    Aanchirdmcc0
  • KeyboardKafeKeyboardKafe My computer desk in Gotham City, NJ Member Posts: 5
    I just saw the Widowmaker figure leaked and I have to say, I'm not happy at all. That is not the kind of minifigure that is good for kids. :(
    What exactly is the issue? It's much, much less revealing than even a bathing suit.
  • Pumpkin_3CK5Pumpkin_3CK5 CaliforniaMember Posts: 768
    I think Widowmaker's got nothing on the buxom women from the medieval village lol

    I think since she's wearing all shades of purple and the skin tone of her face doesn't match her chest, so it looks like a pattern on her suit. I doubt anyone can tell, unless you play the game. If that's the case, then you've already been exposed to what she looks like. 
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,247
    It is pretty borderline for Lego, but it's not very obvious at a glance as @Pumpkin_3CK5 pointed out. More importantly, if this much skin is setting people off, I'd hate to see the reaction to a Roadhog fig...
    Pumpkin_3CK5LyichirKeyboardKafe
  • KeyboardKafeKeyboardKafe My computer desk in Gotham City, NJ Member Posts: 5
    Baby_Yoda said:
    It is pretty borderline for Lego, but it's not very obvious at a glance as @Pumpkin_3CK5 pointed out. More importantly, if this much skin is setting people off, I'd hate to see the reaction to a Roadhog fig...
    I'm really struggling to even picture a Roadhog fig.
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,822
    edited October 2018
    SMC said:
    Well men are women are different.
    Yes, we all already know you have a whole bunch of peculiar ideas about gender roles and sex differences and whatnot. We've been down that rabbit hole before; no need to revisit that whole rigmarole.
    I do think that there is some merit to applying a little scrutiny towards how outfits that reveal people's bodies are framed. For instance, regardless of the level of detail of the minifigures themselves, there's no denying that sex appeal was a major consideration in the original character/costume designs for Widowmaker, Slave Leia, Oola, etc. There's somewhat of a difference insofar as Slave Leia and Oola are forced into demeaning outfits for others' entertainment in-universe while Widowmaker wears her costume by choice, but on the other hand a post-hoc justification like that doesn't really hold much value when the intent of the real-life character designer was almost certainly more about eye candy.

    Overall, though, I don't think there's anything really egregious about Widowmaker's design compared to a lot of other female minifigures with tight outfits and/or exposed cleavage, and I think that kind of scrutiny is more merited in the context of the video game industry, where Widowmaker's part of an extensive pattern of objectifying designs that includes both milder and much, much more severe examples, than in the context of LEGO, where outfits this revealing tend to be rarer even in sets with a beach or pool setting than they are in real life.
    With regard to how LEGO would do Roadhog, I am imagining either a bigfig like Killow or a torso add-on like Bombur, etc.
    Baby_YodaSumoLegostlux
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    SMC said:
    Well men are women are different.
    We can agree on this.  Although, I will admit I still find the S2 Spartan to be a bit unusual for LEGO as well.  (But he's not bare chested.)
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,309
    Lyichir said:

    There's also the bigger question of why a scant amount of cleavage like this is viewed as inappropriate for children while pretty much nobody blinks an eye at full upper body nudity for a whole bunch of male figs... 
    I'm shocked by the general Zod minifig. I mean, he kind of look like Bernard Henri Levy.
    SumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    He does have some well-defined pecs.  Not that anyone is really interested in my opinion on such issues.
    Baby_Yoda
  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 1,740
    edited October 2018
    Aanchir said:
    SMC said:
    Well men are women are different.
    Yes, we all already know you have a whole bunch of peculiar ideas about gender roles and sex differences and whatnot. We've been down that rabbit hole before; no need to revisit that whole rigmarole.
    Do enlighten me as to what I think, I was responding to the notion that a topless man and a topless women are the same. What are my "peculiar ideas about gender roles", just because I thought that the Women of Nasa set wasnt a great way to address discrimination doesn't mean I think xyz.

    Also why bring it up only to say "no need to revisit that whole rigmarole". If you dont want to bring it up then DONT. I made my comment short and simple because I thought: 
    SumoLego said:
    We can agree on this.
    @Aanchir I am not sure we even disagree on this figure because I dont really know what I think. So if you want to have a pop at me at least wait until we disagree. 
    Aanchir said:
    in the context of LEGO, where outfits this revealing tend to be rarer even in sets with a beach or pool setting than they are in real life.
    I agree, in only a few comments we have mentioned Oola, Slave Leia and the "buxom women from the medieval village" and I think that about cover them all. Minifigures like this are unusual so as an AFOL I find them interesting. But I also agree with Sumo:
    SumoLego said:
    SMC said:
    I think it will be the final figures as its probably nicked from the factory. 
    I can't say I'll be surprised if LEGO takes some criticism if it is the final version.  Considering it is simple to sanitize the more provocative characters.
    It wouldn't have been hard for Lego to make the figure less sexualised so why not do it given the age Lego is aimed at. Do I have a problem with it, not really but I dont have a problem with a real life soldier or a religious figure. But because Lego says their standards are high I dont think there is anything wrong with question whether they are being consistent across a range of issues.
  • AleyditaAleydita BelgiumMember Posts: 800
    Overwatch is suitable for ages 12+, if the Lego products are marked likewise, I don't see any problem with one of them including a buxom mini-fig. In the UK, any kid of any age can buy the Daily Star or Daily Sport newspaper and see as many boobs as a night watching PornHub. That's life, though it won't stop the pious and "infuriated on behalf of others" brigade from whinging about it.
  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 1,740
    edited October 2018
    ^ But you can see a church walking down the street but Lego doesn't make one so saying you can watch pornhub really has nothng to do with Lego. Call me pious if you like but keeping sex out of Lego isn't really a bad thing is it? I will be buying the set to add to my look what Lego made collection so don't worry I won't be marching on the street. But if I am asked my opion I would say it's not a good thing.
    SumoLegopharmjodstarwars4ever
  • AleyditaAleydita BelgiumMember Posts: 800
    SMC said:
    ^ But you can see a church walking down the street but Lego doesn't make one so saying you can watch pornhub really has nothng to do with Lego. Call me pious if you like but keeping sex out of Lego isn't really a bad thing is it? I will be buying the set to add to my look what Lego made collection so don't worry I won't be marching on the street. But if I am asked my opion I would say it's not a good thing.
    It's a big jump from cleavage to sex. I get the connection but we don't shield kids from women walking down the street who are showing a wide cleavage or a midriff or who are wearing a bikini or hotpants or other attire that could be considered risqué in some circumstances. Plenty toys out there show cleavage, and I don't understand why Lego should be held to different standards. 
    SumoLegoAanchirBaby_Yoda
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    SMC said:
    ...But I also agree with Sumo...
    Huh.  Twice in one thread.  Something weird is happening.

    Nonethess, I don't think anyone commenting in the thread is offended by an 'accurate' minifigure depiction of a licensed character.  I was commenting on the likely (inevitable) criticism that will be coming LEGO's way by dabbling into an 'older' demographic.

    We're in an 'outrage - protest first', 'actually think about the problem later' kinda world...
    Baby_Yodasklamb
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    Aleydita said:
    ...but we don't shield kids from women walking down the street who are showing a wide cleavage...
    I remember a court case in NYC where the heir of the Oh Henry! fortune was sued because a she caused a car accident by wearing a bra as a top.
    gmonkey76AanchirBaby_Yoda
  • AleyditaAleydita BelgiumMember Posts: 800
    SumoLego said:
    Aleydita said:
    ...but we don't shield kids from women walking down the street who are showing a wide cleavage...
    I remember a court case in NYC where the heir of the Oh Henry! fortune was sued because a she caused a car accident by wearing a bra as a top.
    There was a case in the northern tribal areas of Pakistan where a woman was stoned to death because she refused to wear clothing that covered her legs. Have you noticed it's never about what the bloke wears? I mean, seriously, I hope the plaintiff lost.
    Aanchir
  • LyichirLyichir United StatesMember Posts: 733
    Aleydita said:
    SumoLego said:
    Aleydita said:
    ...but we don't shield kids from women walking down the street who are showing a wide cleavage...
    I remember a court case in NYC where the heir of the Oh Henry! fortune was sued because a she caused a car accident by wearing a bra as a top.
    There was a case in the northern tribal areas of Pakistan where a woman was stoned to death because she refused to wear clothing that covered her legs. Have you noticed it's never about what the bloke wears? I mean, seriously, I hope the plaintiff lost.
    I'm pretty sure SumoLego was making a Seinfeld reference. :P
    gmonkey76AanchirBumblepantsSumoLegoBaby_Yoda
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,822
    I agree there might potentially be some public criticism of LEGO for the Widowmaker figure. That said I don't think it'll be a level of criticism that causes any serious negative outcomes for them. While LEGO does put a big emphasis on maintaining a positive reputation, if they were completely averse to any organized forms of criticism, a lot of the positive progress they have made over the years would have been impossible.

    And as far as the kid-appropriateness of the Overwatch brand as a whole is concerned, I think The Simpsons, The Big Bang Theory, James Bond, and even Ghostbusters licenses pushed the envelope a LOT more, since all of those series have dabbled in risque or sexual scenarios, while in Overwatch there's basically no actual sexual content whatsoever, just certain outfits and poses that can be perceived as suggestive or objectifying. Even if the aforementioned licenses didn't depict any of those scenarios in set form, I don't see any difference in their potential as LEGO licensed products to generate controversy.

    Part of what makes me uncomfortable about the idea that LEGO could have toned down Widowmaker's sex appeal in minifigure form (moreso than is already guaranteed by turning her from a roughly lifelike 3D character into a blocky trapezoid person with 2D printed curves) by just showing fewer contour lines is that it seems to suggest that it's not her outfit in and of itself that's objectionable but the shape of the body she has underneath it. And that starts to feel like the kind of nasty body-shaming that's so often heard in society like "overweight people shouldn't wear bikinis" and "Serena Williams' tennis bodysuit is disrespectful of the sport" and whatnot. If the amount of skin and/or parts of her body her outfit reveals are inappropriate for LEGO, they should be understood as such regardless of how defined her chest shape is.
    KeyboardKafeBaby_Yoda
  • AleyditaAleydita BelgiumMember Posts: 800
    Lyichir said:
    Aleydita said:
    SumoLego said:
    Aleydita said:
    ...but we don't shield kids from women walking down the street who are showing a wide cleavage...
    I remember a court case in NYC where the heir of the Oh Henry! fortune was sued because a she caused a car accident by wearing a bra as a top.
    There was a case in the northern tribal areas of Pakistan where a woman was stoned to death because she refused to wear clothing that covered her legs. Have you noticed it's never about what the bloke wears? I mean, seriously, I hope the plaintiff lost.
    I'm pretty sure SumoLego was making a Seinfeld reference. :P
    Never seen it :)
    SumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    Aleydita said:
    ...where a woman was stoned to death because she refused to wear clothing that covered her legs...
    Maybe just a little bit intense?

    Yes, a little Seinfeld can punctuate any societal debate.  Let us not all forget that there were feminist groups highly critical of LEGO pandering to girls with the heavy marketing of Friends a few years ago.  I think now the general consensus is that fostering interest in more gender-neutral play-building outweights the tacit reinforcing of gender stereotypes. 

    (How does one make a gender-neutral playtoy popular with both genders if one gender does not initially buy them?)
  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 1,740
    Hang on I agree again which is worrying enough but we are moving far from boobgate let alone overwatch.
    SumoLegoBaby_Yoda
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,069
    I'm curious if the brisk sales of the Bastion mini-build are any indicia if the video-gamer market is going to cross-over and buy these LEGO sets.  

    I'd also be curious to know if Overwatch sells other merchandise.  If they sell gobs of Funkos or whatever Overwatch fans would be buying up.
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,247
    Yes, there are many Overwatch Pop! Vinyls and other similar products. As I far as I know, they're quite successful. The distinct appearance of each character certainly lends itself to the unusual style of Funko figures.
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