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  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,443
    Only watched episode one of season two so far, but I can't believe how stupid he is in the one scene. Won't go into it to spoil it, but I bet SumoLego knows what I'm talking about.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    The stupidest thing is him punching the magic door in 'The Defenders'.  That will forever take the cake on Dummy Danny Rand.  I really lowered my expectations after that.

    I think they toned back his stupidity, and have de-emphasized him as the focus of the show.  Davos, Colleen and Mary have really done all of the heavy lifting this season - and the show is much better for it.  @Bumblepants - it's worth watching just to see Davos in a pseudo-Killmonger role of wanting to using a powerful tool to 'force' people to do good.  I found it very compelling.
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  • J0rgenJ0rgen NorwayMember Posts: 216
    I was astonished to discover they actually made a Season 2 of «Iron Fist»! The first season was so bad that I gave up after a couple of episodes, and «The Defenders» wasn't much better. I couldn't get through «Jessica Jones» Season 2 either, and won't even try «Luke Cage» or «Iron Fist» Season 2. «Daredevil» is the only Marvel TV show I will watch at this point.
  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,443
    ^I agree with you on that. What about Punisher? I have to rate them Dare Devil, Punisher, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Defenders, and then Jessica Jones.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    I would give IF S2 a try.  If even just to watch Davos.  (And it's only ten episodes.) 

    As I noted above, exploring what a well-intentioned, but misguided individual does with great power is something I find compelling.  (Similar to Spider-Man wanting to protect the people he loves whilst doing good, I am intrigued by people with good intentions oftentimes doing the wrong thing and being unable to understand why their actions are not appreciated.)

    JJ S2 eventually got interesting, and the end of LC S2 was pretty good as well.  But neither hold a candle to their first seasons.  I think with DD S2, IF S1 and the Defenders, it was just too many ninjas and Hand-related storylines that became tiresome.  I think in theory it was sound to build the Hand as a threat to all of the Defenders, but in execution - it was tired on delivery.

    Punisher was just bleak.  But I liked that they isolated him from the rest of the Defenders.  And I was happy there were no ninjas.  I'm tired of ninjas.  Zombie undead ninjas.  

    And yes, IF S1 was just an indiscernible mess of disjointed plot-lines, episode-stretching filler and just a completely unlikeable main character.  It also drives me absolutely nuts that there wasn't some connection to Dr. Strange and Karma-Taj.  One would think that discussion of seven inter-dimensional cities in Asia would overlap with that a bit.  And I wish they would have cast Christopher Sean as Danny Rand.

    Finally, as this is a Star Wars discussion, I just saw Christopher Robin with Ewan McGregor, and good lord - how are they NOT making a Kenobi post-Episode III movie?  He is just so good.  So good.  There is essentially a clean slate with the character for the interim period between Episode III and Episode IV - they could do just about anything.  (Short of a Vader lightsaber duel.)

    I'm sure there could be a couple of really good films that would repair the somewhat blah attitude we all seem to have about the two most recent SW films.  I'm actually kind of worried as to how Episode IX is received.  (Although I'll be about two years until it's released, so maybe we'll all be reinvigorated by then, as we all have incredibly short attention spans.  Can we move Captain Marvel up to Christmas!?!?!?!, I need me a Marvel movie!)
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  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,443
    ^You mean Star Wars Plan 9 From Outerspace? The one movie I and most other fans want is a Ewan McGregor Obi-Wan movie. But I don't want them to make it until there is a change in leadership at Lucasfilm, and they prove they can make a good movie again.
    VorpalRyu
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    gmonkey76 said:
    The one movie I and most other fans want is a Ewan McGregor Obi-Wan movie. But I don't want them to make it until there is a change in leadership at Lucasfilm, and they prove they can make a good movie again.
    Eh.  I think we're in coin-flip territory.  Lucas has three good, two bad and one mediocre SW films.  Kennedy has two good, and two mediocre SW films.  

    And I don't have much faith that the Boba Fett movie will be any good.  He's better with less story.
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  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,443
    edited September 2018
    I beg to differ Kennedy has one ok, one bad, and two that should never have been made. But that's just my opinion. While Lucas had bad movies he never would of destroyed Luke Skywalker like Kennedy did. And for those who are wondering Rouge One was ok, and The Force Awakens is bad
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  • GremerGremer The Commonwealth of VirginiaMember Posts: 175
    I thoight Rogue One and Solo were really good, but TFA and TLJ undid the entirety of the OT. I don't think Luke was ruined. I like bitter cynic Luke who has seen the flaws of the Jedi and given up on them. I don't think him igniting his lightsaber on Ben is out of character at all. He's continually shown to be ruled by emotion above all. Yes, for one scene he threw away his lightsaber, but conquering an impulse once does not mean it will never come back up. Especially not fear, after seeing what Vader did to the Galaxy.

    That being said, I think the NT would be a lot better if it was Leia and Han searching for Luke, and Rey and Ben were twins or something. Just something. You don't have to throw away an entire beloved trilogy to make a new one. Build off of it, don't start from scratch. I would totally be for KK being removed, but I do worry that maybe someone worse will take her place.
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    gmonkey76 said:
    ...While Lucas had bad movies he never would of destroyed Luke Skywalker like Kennedy did...
    Lucas did a bang-up job destroying Anakin Skywalker. 

    I suppose we can split hairs and argue whether the prequel trilogy is more or less 'necessary' than the sequel trilogy or ancillary 'tales'.  But we can all agree the OT, despite some glaring shortfalls, hold up the best.

    With that out of the way, more movies was inevitable, and I hope they can payoff the soft reboot trilogy in Episode IX.  Frankly, I'd rather have varying degrees of quality SW content than no content at all.  They're not garbage quality 'Fast/Furious' or 'Transformers', so having the chance to see something special in the future is better than clinging to the nostalgic past.
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    Gremer said:
    ...I would totally be for KK being removed, but I do worry that maybe someone worse will take her place.
    -cough cough-
    Justice League
    -cough cough-
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  • Game_onGame_on USAMember Posts: 90
    S1 of IF was painful to watch.  The thing that distracted me the most in the entire season was how often they said "Danny Rand"  Not just Danny, but Danny Rand.
    I think I started to twitch every time they said it.


    On a Star Wars note:
    Had a good time this weekend assembling my #75021

    Such a great set.  Totally in love with it!  Even pulled together all of my clone troopers to load them up into it.  Got all 17 in with out any real problems.  :)
    HanzoToc13Bumblepants
  • HanzoHanzo VAMember Posts: 607
    I hope they put out a new Republic Gunship soon, would love to get my hands on one.  (without paying over RRP)
    Yo_dA
  • The_RancorThe_Rancor Dorset, UKMember Posts: 759
    ^ Basically any PT vehicle I'd be happy to get - except a Naboo Starfighter. And that weird Grievous Speeder. It usually ends up being a clone vehicle which is fine with me.

    I'm glad Disney didn't purchase Lucasfilm sooner because it meant we got all the planned Lego waves to tie in with the rereleased 3-D films, at least from the Prequel Trilogy. I saw the only one to reach the cinema (Episode I) and the 3-D conversion on the planet core sequence, Podracing, Droid control ship battle and Duel of Fates was fantastic. And hearing all the sounds and music in the cinema again was great too. In a parallel universe I got to see and hear 3-D seismic charges. Would I have paid out of the nose for tickets? Yep.
    Baby_Yoda
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    gmonkey76 said:
    While Lucas had bad movies he never would of destroyed Luke Skywalker like Kennedy did.
    He did make Han walk over Jabba's back.  Friggin' with the originals has to earn you some demerits.
    Hoggy
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,826
    They really need to remake the chase scene with Zam from EP. 2 again. Would really benefit from modern parts and design and it would be a nice break from all the bley.
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  • TheBigLegoskiTheBigLegoski Amsterdam, NederlandMember Posts: 1,345
    ^
    I envision a huge play set thinking about the Zam Wessel chase scene.
    First bag: a small half open diorama of Padmé's bedroom with exploding window for Anakin to jump through. Minifig of Padme, two tiny (huge) centipedes (spider/ hotdog-bun Lego size), and a brick build hover probe droid onto which Anakin can latch on, and to which the two centipedes can be attached for delivery.
    Bag two/three: Zam Wessel minifig with huge sniper riffle, and blaster pistol, also pinkish light skinned human head and green reptile face. Her higly detailed green/yellow two seater airspeeder with fully enclosed cabin.
    Bag four/five: Anakin and Obiwan minifigs with lightsabres. Highly detailed model of their open cockpit airspeeder (includes some compartment to store lightsabres).
    Bag six: two Coruscant denizen minifigs from the bar/club/casino (e.g. the deathstick dealer, and a female alien club-goer) A diorama of the entrance to the bar/club/casino with lots of flashy neon signs on the outside, as well as some crates and barrels to crash Zam's speeder into, and on the inside a bar with some seats and holographic display piece of some race.
    And yes, this set should hardly contain any or no dull grey coloured Lego pieces!
    BumblepantsBrickByBrick
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,826
    edited September 2018
    ^
     the deathstick dealer
    We need a minifig that needs to go home and rethink their life for sure! (Edit because I needed to go back and rethink my comment.)
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  • KaitchKaitch N. IrelandMember Posts: 372
    ^^It's Obi-Wan who goes through the window, not Anakin.
  • spepperspepper Davie, FLMember Posts: 151
  • Game_onGame_on USAMember Posts: 90
    spepper said:
    Neat ... but no. 

    A whole new story, sure, I'd go for that, but to reboot the series again, no thank you.

    So far Star Wars has managed to stay out of Hollywoods "Reboot" sights.
    Lets hope that it stays that way. 

    Rebooting anything is just Hollywoods way of saying, we ran out of ideas, this was liked in the past, its safe ... And then they usually screw it up somehow.

    (Just my feelings on the matter)


  • MrJacksonMrJackson Member Posts: 323
    edited September 2018
    I would argue that they almost tried to reboot SW with Ep. 7. Droid lost on desert planet? Check. Planet-destroying superlaser? Check. Breaking someone out of the detention block? Check. Trench run on said superlaser? Check. Cantina/bar scene? Check. Great character surprisingly killed by a lightsaber? Check. There are others. 

    I will echo the gripes about how they basically threw away everything that came before the Sequel Trilogy to make space for their new characters - Rey, Poe, Finn, BB-8, and Ren.  And then VIII basically nullified everything they introduced in VII, making both movies pointless.  I will agree with @Gremer that I liked the bitter, get-off-my-lawn disillusioned Luke.  I've heard the argument that this is a guy who thought Darth Vader wasn't so far gone as to be irredeemable, so for him to draw his blade on Ben is totally out of character.  I guess my thoughts on that are that everyone has a breaking point, and I'm sure we've all seen people with good hearts get hardened over time when their best efforts are for naught. 

    I will say, if they actually do a full-fledged reboot of Star Wars, I'm done. 

    I will also say that Rouge One is my favorite movie of the entire thing - after Empire, of course, but I'm pretty sure that goes without saying. Though it's certainly close. 
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  • TheBigLegoskiTheBigLegoski Amsterdam, NederlandMember Posts: 1,345
    ^
    Rouge one standing by ;)
    @Kaitch ;   
    Indeed. I stand corrected. Other than that I'll stick to my guns.
    SumoLego
  • BrickByBrickBrickByBrick Massachusetts, USAMember Posts: 617
    ^^Similarly, I've been really happy with the anthology films, honestly think Solo and rogue one are my two favorite star wars movies.
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    edited September 2018
    I wouldn't mind a reboot if they fixed the saga of Anakin Skywalker from the beginning.  I'm sure there would be a revolt of mammoth proportions.

    The entire first movie is a total throw-away for Anakin's story.  And once he returns to the light, there is literally no epilogue.  The most powerful Jedi is noticably absent from the latest episodes.

    (Since Anakin can be a Force ghost, why not a bit of guidance for Ben Solo if he were being seduced by the Dark Side?  I think a thirty second conversation from actual Darth Vader telling Ben Solo to 'knock it off' would have prevented a lot of nonsense.)

    Maybe I have too much faith in moviemakers, but Infinity War gives me hope that boring moviemaking can be overcome by thoughtful storytelling.
    Yo_dA
  • The_RancorThe_Rancor Dorset, UKMember Posts: 759
    ^ I suppose the one thing Star Wars has as a franchise is room to move in many different directions and start new stories whilst also potentially increasing the scope of the original saga (assuming Disney bring back anthology films which are their BEST films). Just because they didn't have a Roman numeral attached to them and someone called Skywalker in them I guess that meant not enough business, even for Rogue One.

    I would say in contrast that Marvel has to tread carefully post-Avengers 4. Whilst Star Wars can only get better for many fans (due to apparent disappointment with VII and VIII) some are concerned Marvel mania could peak and it could be difficult to know what's next. The idea of Eternals and possible wider featuring of Galactus or the Skrulls has got me somewhat interested though. It's just that a lot of the intrigue of the plot of the MCU, particularly from Avengers 1 onwards, was the idea of Thanos looming in the background wanting to get the Infinity Stones gradually being revealed. It's not that far off from the background threat of the Emperor, only fully revealed in Episode VI. Do they do the same thing again with Galactus again for the MCU I wonder? Unfortunately they totally binned that intrigue with Supreme Leader Snoke, it would seem.
    SumoLego
  • FowlerBricksFowlerBricks USAMember Posts: 1,625
    ^I wanted Snoke to be some ancient evil sith. But nope. He's just a random dude who can die whenever. *sigh* Disney, what have you done?
    SumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    ...I would say in contrast that Marvel has to tread carefully post-Avengers 4...
    I don't think it's realistic to expect that Disney/Marvel will be able to continue or replicate its success of Avengers movies, and particularly Avengers 3 and 4.

    Which is why 'little' Marvel movies give me hope for the franchise.  If Ant-Man and the Wasp makes Disney executives happy with a $215M domestic box office, then I expect we'll get non-super-event comic book movies well into the future.  Not everything needs to be $1B.  (Except Black Panther and maybe Captain Marvel...)

    SW, on the other hand, feels like every movie needs to do better than the last.  I hope Disney executives can be happy with a $500M box office and make a quality movie every year or 18 months.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    ...He's just a random dude who can die whenever...
    Supreme Leader Rando...
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  • KaitchKaitch N. IrelandMember Posts: 372
    ^I have heard it noted before that no-one gave a damn when the Emperor had no backstory...
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  • FireheartFireheart Suffolk, UKMember Posts: 488
    I’m personally looking forward to the whole new galaxy / new characters that Disney is looking at doing as a new Star Wars movie trilogy, although I’m a massive fan of the OT and thereafter, it’s time to move on with a new story.
    Fingers crossed it will be as good as what we have had over the past 40 years..
    Hoggy
  • MrKettleMrKettle OxfordshireMember Posts: 136
    If Disney ever decides to do a reboot or simply go back and fix the PT then they would do well to get this guy on board. 

    https://youtu.be/VgICnbC2-_Y

    His breakdown of how to fix episode 1 is fantastic and he then forensic on to do 2 and 3 as well. 
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,227
    edited September 2018
    I think the Sequel Trilogy deliberately sets itself up to be like the Original Trilogy, then surprises the audience with twists we never saw in the OT: Luke being bitter as opposed to Yoda's optimism, Snoke's arrogance and sudden death as opposed to the mystery of the Emperor... but unfortunately, because those twists wouldn't've worked originally, they don't work now. Everything else has been sacrificed to surprise the audience. Now, if Rey had joined Kylo in ruling the First Order, that would have been an interesting and meaningful twist. Since the theme of the trilogy so far has focused on "burning the past," it'd be an ironic consequence for not paying attention to past mistakes. Then we could have Vader come in like "What are you doing?!"
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  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,826
    If 9 can further develop Kylo and mature his character it will be a good trilogy. He either needs to become Vader II or What Anakin Should Have Been and absolutely wreck those opposed to him either way. 

    I actually enjoyed 8 on the whole and my biggest issue with it was wasting Finn/Phasma. Would really like Finn to matter in 9 too.
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    edited September 2018
    Finn has turned into an undercard that nobody cares about.  He was an interesting jumping-off character, but his (predictable) arc should be the Spartacus archetype - becoming the leader of the Resistance and having a platonic relationship with Rey.  (I hope they fix that in E:IX.)

    The nonsense with Rose, his persistent cowardice and hatred for Phasma is the opposite of compelling.  (Frankly, I don't know why Finn has such a problem with her.  She seems like a reasonable commander.)

    I'm fine with the Kylo/Rey storyline - although I am interested in how it'll end up.  TLJ did do a pretty good job of showing the shades of gray and conflict between their characters.

    I would assume that the important bits of the story were written well in advance.  It should all make sense in the end...
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  • J0rgenJ0rgen NorwayMember Posts: 216
    I don't think the story of the sequels has been planned in advance. «Last Jedi» gave the impression each director makes it up as they go, and can just throw everything the last one did away, like a mischievous child derailing a storytelling game. I have a feeling Abrams is gonna steer things back in his direction again in «IX». It's a tug-of-war...
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  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 1,701
    ^ Yes it does seem that way, I have no idea why Disney let this happen.
    SumoLego
  • KaitchKaitch N. IrelandMember Posts: 372
    I think they thought it would be "cool" and "edgy" to let each director pick their own continuation, and probably that it would make the project a big draw for directors (we get to make our own stories! no more relying on some author who doesn't know about The Movies!), but I agree, it was a mistake. They probably should at least have insisted on the directors collaborating to produce an outline at the start. The only benefit I can see to writing a trilogy "on the fly" like this would be if you made sure you took fan reaction to previous installment into account when planning the next, and I doubt they've done that. There's only really two things in TLJ that I can see as potentially having come from fan reactions: the inclusion of Rose as an Asian might have been influenced by the backlash over the fact that RO, the "most inclusive film to date", had virtually no females of note besides Jyn, and was still really low on Females of Colour (please don't turn this into a thing about Twi'leks and Togrutans; you know what I mean); and the fact the Phasma survived Starkiller, because being stuck in a trash compactor on a planet about to blow up does not make for a good chance of appearing in the next film.
    J0rgen
  • Game_onGame_on USAMember Posts: 90
    Phasma is really the Kenny of the Star Wars universe.

    Oh my GOD, YOU KILLED PHASMA!  YOU ... well you get the point.

    (Anyone want to bet she appears in the next film??)
    SumoLegoBaby_Yoda
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    I don't think Marvel's approach to franchise managment involves the words 'cool' or 'edgy'.  I think it's 'profit' and 'billion'.

    Considering Disney is proficient at copying (or buying) what is profitable, I'd expect the Feige approach would be applied across their franchises.

    As opposed to the Transformers approach.

    Although I suppose the disjointedness of the PotC movies and success of the Fast and Furious movies may indicate people don't really care about quality moviemaking.
  • The_RancorThe_Rancor Dorset, UKMember Posts: 759
    ^ Sometimes I just want to see Vin Diesel beat another beefcake senseless, race away and drink a Corona with family, I guess I could say F&F movies are my guilty pleasure...

    With regards to the other point, I saw Rogue One as one of Star Wars' most diverse films, with many key actors from different backgrounds, countries and heritage, plus Jyn puts many of the other characters in their place in a way that Rey has yet to do with anyone except Finn. Yes, there may not have been many women of colour in Rogue One but there was a variety of men of colour and a female protagonist - I do admit it's a shame we didn't see more of Val in Solo though.

    Unfortunately, L3's extremely explicit campaigning for 'droid's rights' seemed like it wasn't very well considered - but I liked the sentiment of what they were trying to do and the scenes near the end of the film were quite fun as a result. Just waiting on that L3 minifig now!
    Baby_Yoda
  • KaitchKaitch N. IrelandMember Posts: 372
    ^If you pay attention to RO, there are 5 women with speaking parts. Leia says one word. There's a Rebel communications officer who has one line. The other Rebel higher up Mon and Jyn argue with over hitting Scarif, and Mon Mothma and Jyn herself. So that's one cameo, two minor parts, one supporting part, and one main part. By contrast, the men have Cassian, Bohdi, Chirrut, Baze, Galen, Krennic, Saw, Tarkin, Vader, the Rebel spymaster. And that's just the mains and support. Also K2SO is pretty much male for a droid. While I don't have a problem with that kind of distribution as such, and I do like the multi racial cast, I do think the gender gap excludes it from consideration as the "most diverse".
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,227
    I did kind of pick up on the poor gender diversity in Rogue One when I first saw it. It's a shame that the one time Disney makes a really good Star Wars film also happens to be the one time they forget to pop a few extra women in there. They really could have just swapped the gender of one of the characters that have a fair bit of screen time but don't have too much actual plot influence, so that they could easily retain the story. I feel Chirrut would have made an excellent candidate.
  • TheBigLegoskiTheBigLegoski Amsterdam, NederlandMember Posts: 1,345
    @The_Rancor ;     @Kaitch      @Baby_Yoda      
    How curious that you are all so preoccupied with sex/gender & ethnic diversity. Even though these things are totally inconsequential to generating high quality films. The factors that determine whether or not a film is good rest upon a good story, interesting characters (regardless of sex & race), and a convincing plot without (too many or preferably any) plot-holes.
    I vehemently disprove of and dislike identity politics, and I could not care less about said traits of the characters as long as these characters that star in the films are compelling and interesting. This is exactly the problem with both the sequel trilogy and the Solo anthology film; they are rife with forced identity politics propaganda, and lack all the elements needed (I just mentioned) that make for good films worthy of being added to the SW saga which is not merely a franchise like many other film franchises but a pop-culture institute of the last four decades which Disney has now seriously maimed, mutilated and disfigured (with the exception of Rogue One; which I count among the best SW films alongside the original trilogy). I wish Disney would keep any and all mundane political propaganda out of SW in so far as they have nothing to do with the stories themselves. Star Wars should have remained a fun and fantastical action/adventure space-opera devoid of any toxic wordly bullshit propaganda for which plenty of other outlets are available.
    ps.
    I do like the SW Solo subtheme Lego sets! 
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    I'm not sure if being inclusive to maximize market viability is necessarily engaging in political propaganda.  

    (As much as anyone dislikes Disney, their primary objective is chasing a dollar.)
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  • TheBigLegoskiTheBigLegoski Amsterdam, NederlandMember Posts: 1,345
    @SumoLego ;      
    If Disney is so money hungry (which they are), they should not try to milk SW the way the have engaged in, but instead focus on what ought to be their core-business: creating well written and compelling stories that captivate audiences on the merit of the quality of the films themselves. In which case they would also be rewarded with box office successes and potential audiences cueing up to see their productions. Now they are 'achieving' the opposite.

    I am not going to see episode IX, I was glad I was given a ticket to go see The Last Jedi, as I can only conclude it would not have been worth spending money on. What a piece of trash that movie is! The Force awakens was bad, but nothing compares to that monstrosity, the haughty yet awful director and worse writer Ryan Johnson, concocted and excreted.

    Solo has plenty of of visual splendour, and fun action scenes, but story-wise, ai yay yay!, it is nothing but a ramshackle train-wreck. Even the fun loving likeable Woody Harrelson could not save the picture, nor Ron Howard who in the past directed the wonderful film 'A Beautiful Mind'. What is most sad is that the character Solo is not even the star and hero he ought to be in his own film. I have heard people bitching about the actors, but regardless of how good or poor some of their performances are, the fundamental problem is the dreadful script/story-writting the film suffers from.   

    You are aware that "being inclusive" i.e. 'inclusivity' even when adopted as a commercial strategy is in itself a political decision?! Even though the political propaganda interlaced in the sequel trilogy, as well as Solo far exceeds this and has 'SJW agenda' written all over it, no wonder plenty of people are not amused and are turning away from Star Wars. If Disney aims to be so 'inclusive' they better steer away from propaganda bound to divide and turn a substantial part of their audience off and away, knowing how polarised the political climate is, these Tinseltown types all need a reality check. Yet Kathleen Kennedy and others deliberately choose to pollute SW with their political and ideological ideas which simply have no place in SW, and then they wonder why it backfires.
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  • KaitchKaitch N. IrelandMember Posts: 372
    @TheBigLegoski I understand why you think I am preoccupied by diversity. Actually, I do agree that it's the story and quality of acting that's important. I just also think that if you're going to make a big deal about a film being "diverse", you shouldn't really mean "diverse in the area I care about". I don't care if there's virtually no women bar Jyn in RO, just don't turn around and say it's "diverse". My objection is to the hype not the cast. Also, L3's "free the droids" crusade is the one bit if Solo I really couldn't stand; definitely meant to be some sort of SJW parallel, but just doesn't gel with how droids seem to work in SW.

    I do think you're being a little hard on TFA, TLJ and Solo, but you're perfectly entitled to hate them.
    SumoLegoBaby_Yoda
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    edited September 2018
    Considering 'Black Panther' earned $1B after initially being considered a genre film... there seems to be a fairly large market out there for more diverse movies.  (Even though a pretty good chunk of that audience is 'conventional'.)

    Nontheless, writing a good story that resonates with a large audience is a tricky business.  There are plenty of thought provoking well-written movies that nobody wants to see.  And plenty of mindless crap-fests (JW) that remain popular.
    Baby_Yoda
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,917
    And last time I checked, the SW franchise is doing alright.
    Baby_Yoda
  • J0rgenJ0rgen NorwayMember Posts: 216
    We won't know if the franchise is alright for over a year, but I think they've lost a good chunk of their audience. IX won't flop by any means, but it won't break any records either. No matter how good this trailer is (too).
    SumoLegoVorpalRyu
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