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Kudos to @CapnRex101 and @Huw for maintaining their dignity. If this was my site I'd have made a big thing of hoofing that particular user so far away that Google wouldn't be able to find them.
I'm all for differences of opinion, but everyone has a choice in the way they voice them.
That said - crikey that's ugly!
;o)
We're living in an era where people feel entitled to create their own truths and dismiss the real truths as "Fake News" - from anti-vaxxers to climate change deniers - it's all a symptom of a way of thinking where evidence doesn't matter :(
First off, an apology. It was hypocritical of me to complain about the way you expressed yourself and then be rude about you myself. I shouldn't have done it, so sorry for that.
Secondly, I haven't been around Brickset as long as many, but I've certainly been here long enough to know that everyone who posts a front page review, from regulars like Huw and Chris to the occasional contributor like MeganL will provide a review based on their own opinion rather than any perceived pressure from TLG. The fact is, Chris provided two things: a factual description of the set, and additionally his thoughts on it. Anybody who was considering spending over £100 on a set will take the former and make their own mind up as to whether they want to buy it or not, probably together with information from other sources and for those who live close enough to a shop, after 'seeing it in the plastic'.
And one other thing to remember. This is a site for fans of Lego. There's a good chance that most of us will be well disposed to a set, particularly one with links to an iconic film series and a series of pretty cool features.
Personally I think that while the features are novel, the set fails as a reflection of a beautiful car and I won't be picking it up. But as a fan of Technic - which many Lego fans find anything from 'odd' to 'not proper Lego' - I get that we all like different things.
You and I didn't like the DB5. Chris did.
And the world keeps turning.
No point in falling out with a really nice bunch of people over it. Even if we are a bit cliquey sometimes...
;o)
And you may want to update your references. Nobody knows what Morse code is.
"There are so many cliques, it's like a Kardashian blog post."
It's not perfect but at the end of the day this is Lego were talking about here and most of the fun comes from the building.
If I wanted a totally accurate model of 007's DB5 there are numerous places I can buy one in varying different sizes but that's not the hobby I chose.
There are far worse sets out there and personally I wouldn't give you two pennies for the old VW Beetle ( #10187 ) as to me, parts of it look like a left over level from qbert (anothe reference for the over 40's) & when #10152 came out, comparisons were made and I seem to remember lots of negative comments about the new one looking like a Citroen 2CV but it seems to be doing alright.
Any Lego set is never going to be perfect just because of the restrictions placed on the parts available but better that than how things got when Lego had free reign to produce an endless supply of alternative parts, as last time that nearly didn't end well.
Has there ever been a case where Brickset has received a set for free from TLG and refused to endorse it based on design values alone?
I get the Brickset / TLG mafia will jump on dissent but the response to my critique astounds me. It wasn't a personal attack (yet I've had to bat away a few since), rather an observation that the site is determined to protect its relationship with TLG come what may. You could argue this is a positive thing, especially for us consumers of the site, but I'd argue this damages their integrity.
I mentioned Hoth Bricks in my comments - they too received the set for free and were able to pre-prepare a review. They were pretty scathing. They also, unlike Brickset, always arrange a giveaway for the products they receive from Lego, thus removing any suggestion that they need to remain on TLG's good side for fear of losing such freebies.
The New Elementary, an otherwise excellent blog, failed even to mention that the finished product didn't even look like the source material, something virtually everyone else who has seen the set has commented on. Yet their full-on endorsement somehow means that Brickset's recommendation is entirely valid with absolutely no room for debate.
It simply isn't credible that (virtually) every set Brickset reviews is considered worthy of recommendation - something I've thought for a while and the 007 review confirmed it beyond doubt for me.
https://brickset.com/article/31350
https://brickset.com/article/31189
https://brickset.com/article/33622/review-75201-first-order-at-st
https://brickset.com/article/20575/review-75098-assault-on-hoth
none of these were recommended purchases by the reviewers, yet all were given the same amount of analysis of any other set.
It's LEGO, all of it's good, right?
Who really cares if Brickset recommends every set? To be honest, I think I'd "recommend" almost any set, because LEGO is never a waste of money, sometimes a set might not be great value for money, but no-one is forcing you to buy it.
Why is it an issue if Brickset reviewers get to keep the sets? Have you tried writing a review? Hours of time freely given to prepare images, write content, edit the review etc. If you were to divide the time spent by the rrp of each set, you won't even come close to minimum wage. The concept that this is free LEGO is erroneous.
The idea that there is any kind of bias as a result of being given a set is also erroneous, have we all not been given sets by friends and family and been both disappointed and elated by the set given? Does our relationship to the person giving the gift have any bearing on our immediate reactions? Unless it's someone you're hoping to have a bit of a kiss and a cuddle with later, of course.
There is no doubt the DB5 isn't the best looking set ever, but it does have great features, fabulous features in fact, so much so, that it's changed my opinion and I'm willing to forget the looks... it's LEGO after all, it can be modified.
I don't understand why this is so controversial. Almost everyone can see the 007 set is terribad. Even Huw claims the review was negative with only one - qualified - positive. Yet somehow the set was still recommended.
(Full disclosure, I still like the DB5 and will be buying one next week. I will also be buying more tacos because there is a Chipotle in Frankfurt and there isn't any Mexican food in Sofia which is sad.
Of the 398 sets reviewed by Blocks magazine, 35 have been given a score of 50 or less, 41 have been given a score of 90 or more which leaves the other 322 being given middling to positive reviews.
I'm not sure how this equates to your rarely given out 90% plus, against regularly giving sets less than 50% as they appear to give more positive reviews than not.
This may be because they are in the pocket of TLG but i doubt it, it might just be that they, like many other Lego sites, review sets on the basis that they are primarily a kids toy that have to take into consideration the build stability, structural integrity, play features, price and the look of the build when reviewing a set.
In your opinion, not everyones.
Outside of the set design itself, yes the price is much higher than we'd want in most territories - but if perceived value is the problem there are countless times particularly in the last couple of years where Brickset reviewers don't recommend the set at full RRP and suggest waiting for a reduction. From a business perspective TLG would obviously much rather we all paid full RRP for every set, so those types of review conclusions certainly aren't pandering to them.
I won't make any personal comments aimed at you but I would advise that you just let this go and move on. There's more to life (or indeed Brickset) than disagreeing with one review. I also think you'll find that almost all of us aren't 'toxic' enough to give you the type of angry back-and-forth you'll see in some other forums - which is a credit to this site.
And by the way, one's enjoyment of a LEGO set is inherently subjective. There is no singular truth to whether a LEGO set is 'good' or 'bad'.
The Brickset Mafia is real!?!?!?
Is there a US chapter of the Brickset Mafia? I can provide a resume of garbagey sets that I like.
I must make you an offer you can't refuse. Is there an application fee to the Brickset Mafia, or is it more fundraising-based? Are there cookies we need to sell? Is there a GoFundMe page?
Always makes me laugh when people here are critical of the Eurobricks forum, as though the same type of stuff doesn't happen here. Sure, it's not the mods who stifle debate here, it's the regular cliques. Your opinion has to match the majority or it's inherently deemed invalid.
And of course someone's enjoyment of Lego is subjective. When did I say otherwise? You just can't handle that I had the temerity to call the recommendation out for what it was. You're simply closing ranks around the Brickset staff because that's what sheep do. That's what always happens in a community, the 'leaders' and 'owners' are somehow deemed untouchable, above criticism.
Let's be absolutely clear here. Brickset may have started out as a labour of love but now exists solely to generate income. That's not necessarily a bad thing, in fact Huw and co would be daft not to monetise the community they painstakingly built up, but it is bound to influence their recommendations, their decision to push certain products and promotions.
My mother is so proud.
I was skeptical of the 007 licence, it didn't make sense to me at all. Having now seen all the praise levied on the play features I get it to an extent.
I wonder how the deal came about though, whether TLG started out by getting a licence with Aston Martin, or went straight for the double licence. Also I guess the rumours about a Bond LEGO Dimensions set that was planned but never happened might have been part of it. If LEGO had gone to the lengths of getting both licences for that they might not have wanted to waste it....
pure speculation, but makes for some fun thinking.
^ I was thinking the same thing. I wondered if Disney was also involved with the plans for Dimensions Year 3, since Disney Infinity was cancelled and all, but they pulled out at the last minute and blew a hole in the plans that couldn't be filled. It's a shame, but as always, it's less money to spend!
Um, does anyone really care? It's a toy review on a website. I can think of 1000 other places where being a self-appointed truth crusader would be more impactful.
We're not talking misinformation or unsubstantiated speculation. It's one person's opinion on a LEGO set. And if you choose to impute that opinion because of some relationship you percieve between the reviewer and product seller - good for you. If the reviewer doesn't disclose the relationship, then shame on them. And if viewers don't trust the review - then nobody will read it.
Any time I see a positive review for a Transformers movie, that reviewer is off of my list for consideration. I don't feel the need to raise the flag and sound the alarms. I just ignore the next review.
Either way, I don't mind the set. I think it'll look fine with the rest of the automobiles in the Creator line. I am happy to see that LEGO is pushing further out with licenses and appear to be leaving the previous constraints.
#10262 James Bond Aston Martin DB5 is a perfect example of this. Certain areas of the model are not as faithful to the source material as previous Creator Expert vehicles so I think those who have collected the other sets, but are not James Bond fans, might be disappointed by this one. The price is also higher than I would like, although not to an extortionate degree.
However, the set also has a number of qualities. For example, it includes a magnificent range of functions, all of which work perfectly and several of which I was not expecting. Furthermore, the building experience is thoroughly enjoyable and demonstrates several interesting techniques. Finally, I believe it would be difficult to improve upon the appearance of the model at this scale, simply because the real car includes so many curved surfaces and that must be taken into consideration.
I would therefore recommend this set to James Bond fans, like myself, but those who are more interested in the accurate recreation of a classic car, such as most other Creator Expert vehicles, will probably find greater appeal in other sets. That was the opinion I gave in my review and it remains unchanged.
Now, I would ask that we return to discussion of the actual set rather than continuing this debate about reviews. @Aleydita and others have made their feelings known while @drdavewatford, myself and others have expressed an opposing point of view. Neither of us can prove our case to the other so to continue discussing it would be futile.
* #21309 NASA Apollo Saturn V and #70618 Destiny's Bounty spring to mind.
I had zero interest in either of these sets until I saw and read how popular they were.
Can anyone recommended any other must builds? (I’m assuming Ninjago City)
ps Sorry to go off topic
yea, my spouse doesn't think I'm funny either.
1. Best custom Bond figure I need examples.
2. Will we see more Bond sets?
3. Who has built theirs already and do you make a vroom vroom sound or a sqreek when driving?
4. Who is doing custom changes and what are they.
Feedback people. Lets get to work.
Noticing his actions, the woman next to him asked, "Is your date running late?"
"No," he replied, "Q's just given me this state-of-the-art watch and I was just testing it."
Intrigued by his words the woman replied, "A state-of-the-art watch? What's so special about it?"
"Well you see," said Bond, "it uses Alpha waves to telepathically talk to me."
"I see," said the woman, "and what's it telling you now?"
"It says you're not wearing any knickers..." came the reply.
The woman giggled and replied, "Well it must be broken because I'm afraid I'm wearing knickers!"
007 tutted, tapped his watch and said, "Damn thing must be an hour fast!"
[never gets old]
Nor your previous but I’m not sure much of this thread is about building an Aston Martin LEGO set at all.
Honestly I'd say that most of the TLNM sets aside from maybe Zane's Ice Tank (weirdly expensive RRP) and Garmadon's Shark Mech (bit too bulky for my liking) are worth a punt if the price is right, and even at RRP they're really dang worth it - 70607 Ninjago City Chase is probably the best-value small set I've ever bought, and the 70612 Green Ninja Mech Dragon is really bloody awesome. Goes without saying that Ninjago City and the Docks are must-buys too.
If it's the latter, then according to the AM website, that gives the following...
Goldfinger - DB5
Thunderball - DB5
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - DBS
The Living Daylights - V8 Vantage
Goldeneye - DB5
Die Another Day - Vanquish
Casino Royale - DBS
Quantum Of Solace - DBS
Skyfall - DB5
Spectre - DB10
Not a huge selection, and with the possible exception of the V8 Vantage, all pretty difficult to replicate in the brick.
If you're looking at any Bond cars though, not just Astons, or Bond vignettes, then that's a whole different kettle of fish.