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Looking for 2x4 Grangemouth(Scotland) bricks

NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
edited November 2015 in Collecting

Not sure who knew this but in the 70s the Borg-Warner chemical company supplied Lego with plastic that was made in Grangemouth. Lego gave them a mould to quality test plastic, it was a 4 position mold that made 2x4 bricks. Anyway most of the bricks made were probably solid colors but the workers also made marbled bricks there that they would give to their children. Over the past few years three collections of bricks have surfaced (see pictures). Being a 2x4 collector I am looking for more of these bricks so if anybody has found some or comes across some please let me know :D

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  • kiki180703kiki180703 Montreal, CanadaMember Posts: 1,039
    @Huw or @drdavewatford , I think you should move this thread to the marketplace category.
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    This wouldn't fall under the collecting category?
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,952
    They are lovely, I saw the images on BL. It's a shame Lego doesn't make similar ones these days, and sell them.
  • MynattMynatt OH/NYMember Posts: 573
    edited November 2015
    In The Secret World of LEGO, they address these multicolored bricks. They talk about it around 14:15.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xpvd7 
  • pezheadpezhead USA... MinnesotaMember Posts: 13
    Oh, don't worry, all the pictures are his!
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    edited November 2015
    Mynatt said:
    In The Secret World of LEGO, they address these multicolored bricks. They talk about it around 14:15.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xpvd7 

    Thanks for the link, I just watched the part about the marbled bricks. Very interesting but a shame those marbled bricks are thrown out. Many of the marbled bricks from Grangemouth have several colors which differ them from the ones that occur when colors are switched. The Grangemouth Lego mould was taken away in 1978 so the bricks are around 40 years old now. Many were no doubt tossed out but there are probably others that have been stored away and never brought out.


    catwranglertallblocktooMr_Crossandrelego
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    By the way if anybody is interested in knowing more about these I would be happy to share what we know. Besides the marbled bricks there probably is a good amount of solid bricks too.
    loadedbrick
  • loadedbrickloadedbrick Member Posts: 22
    Hi, This is really interesting I just live down the road from Grangemouth and was never aware that somewhere so local had produced something like this. How long did they get produced for and does that company still exist?
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    "Produced" is misleading - these were non-production tests of the plastic (they supplied Wrexham) at the end of the 70s.

    The company was taken over about ten years later.
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    edited November 2015
    These were probably made for about eight years or so. The older stash that was found was guessed at to have been made in the late 60s/early 70s and had four brick positions (8,9,o-10, o-11). The mould was taken away in 1978 after a  Lego rep discovered children playing with the bricks. The bricks that were made in 1977/78 have four mould positions, F-1 through F-4. 


  • IstokgIstokg MichiganMember Posts: 2,100
    edited January 2016
    Found some information from an ex Courtauld's employee who worked at one of their plants in Wrexham Wales.  He started working there in 1979, and mentioned that LEGO part production had already ended just before he started there.

    It seems that circa 1978 the production of LEGO parts was ended at Wrexham, and the parts started being imported from Denmark by about 1979... to be packaged as sets from another Courtauld's location in Wrexham.  This continued until 1992 when TLG purchased the license back from Courtauld's.

    So it is very possible that by 1978 there was no longer any need for additional ABS testing via the 2x4 LEGO mold.  It may be as simple as some Borg Warner employees taking leftover ABS plastic and just mixing it into marbled bricks before TLG asked for the mold back.... and distributing it to children in the Grangemouth area.

    Need to get some more anecdotal evidence from former employees... but these beautiful bricks may have just been produced after (or towards the end of) the testing contract ended.
  • IstokgIstokg MichiganMember Posts: 2,100
    On further reflection... it is possible that the marbled Grangemouth bricks may have been made over a longer period than just 1978... and the 2 actions (production of marbled bricks) and termination of LEGO parts production by British LEGO Ltd. in 1978 may have been a coincidence that they happened at the same time.  More info needs to be found.
  • delrobdelrob FalkirkMember Posts: 1
    Hi i worked in the plant and served my apprenticeship there, unfortunatley I did not manage to get hold of a multi brick during my career there, if you know of anyone who can sell me a single mutli coloured brick that would be great, its for my 6 year old son who is an avid lego fan and I have told him the story of the lego test mould in Grangemouth and the workers especially at xmas used to run of bin bags full of multi coloured lego bricks in the 70's/80's.  i was told that a collector went into a lego shop with a multi coloured brick and asked where he could get more, the shop inspected the brick and traced it to Borg Warner in Grangemouth and removed the mould in question!

    Regards

    Del
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  • Legopassion8Legopassion8 North CarolinaMember Posts: 1,180
    edited April 2016
    Would these be expensive to mass produce? They're really pretty. I mean these bricks are nice but imagine tile pieces with these marble designs. Would be great for floor and counters in modualars. Definitely a Bricklink sensation,  no?
    catwranglerMr_Cross
  • cody6268cody6268 Member Posts: 262
    How come Lego doesn't mass produce bricks like this today--they look great! 
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    cody6268 said:
    How come Lego doesn't mass produce bricks like this today--they look great! 
    These days, they probably can't. Mixing many colours of ABS granules is one thing; trying to do it with with dyes doesn't work in the same way.
  • Jackad7Jackad7 Wisconsin Member Posts: 489
    What's the price running on these? Not a 2 x 4 collector but one of them would be neat to have.
  • pezheadpezhead USA... MinnesotaMember Posts: 13
    It's over $50 for a brick I believe. That's if you can find a seller.
  • mpfirnhabermpfirnhaber Member Posts: 65
    delrob said:
    Hi i worked in the plant and served my apprenticeship there, unfortunatley I did not manage to get hold of a multi brick during my career there, if you know of anyone who can sell me a single mutli coloured brick that would be great, its for my 6 year old son who is an avid lego fan and I have told him the story of the lego test mould in Grangemouth and the workers especially at xmas used to run of bin bags full of multi coloured lego bricks in the 70's/80's.  i was told that a collector went into a lego shop with a multi coloured brick and asked where he could get more, the shop inspected the brick and traced it to Borg Warner in Grangemouth and removed the mould in question!

    Regards

    Del
    Can you have a look here and fill in any blanks that you can? Any additional information about the Grangemouth-Lego relationship and about the making of the marbled bricks would be very much appreciated :)

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/16031532919/

    I'm lucky to have 7 different marbled Grangemouth bricks. The going price is $50+ per brick, but if one of those "bin bags full" ever shows up, that would be a game changer :)
  • KingAlanIKingAlanI Rochester, NYMember Posts: 1,895
    Those are beautiful. And I thought my stacks of solid 2x4's looked cool.
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    edited July 2016

     I found another lot of Grangmouth this week, a total of 31 bricks. Right now Stuart  has them and has been kind enough to take some early photos of them. They are all from the F mould. Here is Stuart's photostream:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

    JessyDooDahcatwranglerbrickupdatekiki180703SirBentallblocktooMr_Crosssnowhitie
  • JessyDooDahJessyDooDah UK Member Posts: 228
    I love these! So pretty! :)
    GothamConstructionCo
  • tallblocktootallblocktoo CanadaMember Posts: 497
    I'd love to see TLG make bricks like this!  I think they might go over well!  That structure NateF built is really cool!  Realistically we likely won't see it happen.  It would be a nice addition to the plain regular bricks. 
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    I wish they would make bricks like these but I'm not sure that they would sell very well unless they were limited to a limited run. I also wish they would release a 2x4 in every colour they use, that would be great :-D

    catwranglerGothamConstructionCostluxricecakeSirBenkhmellymelMr_Cross
  • SprinkleOtterSprinkleOtter Member Posts: 2,731
    They're like Bionicle Kraata- you can never collect them all, because each swirl is different...
    MattDawsoncatwrangler
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    edited August 2016
    Well there isn't a lot of them to begin with but they are generally divided up by the color combinations (yellow/red, white/blue, gray/white, etc). It's hard enough to get one brick and so most collectors who have these are content to collect one example of each of the major color combinations.

    Next to my collection, Phillip has the next largest variety of Grangemouth Lego bricks.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/28337375794/in/contacts/
  • Bosstone100Bosstone100 USAMember Posts: 1,398
    That's some collection. Not something I want to get involved in. I have enough issues.

    Out of curiousity, where does one find these kinds of bricks?
    NateF
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    They can be purchased from sellers but to find them “in the wild” you would probably be looking in a relatively small area.  Grangemouth bricks were made in Scotland and many have surfaced near Edinburgh and Glasgow although there are bricks that surface outside of the region. They were made in the 70s so check lots with older bricks. The ones in the photo above were found in a Lego lot at a thrift/charity store and the same lot had more modern bricks such as technic too. 
  • DeeC2_JoshDeeC2_Josh SoCal Member Posts: 64
    If anyone is interested in these, there are a few lots on eBay from a seller in the UK. Just do a search of grangemouth lego. I think they're beautiful bricks but can't justify the purchase in my mind, approx 200 for 4 bricks.
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    Also if anyone is interested I have some spare bricks from the new lot. Let me know which one you want. 6, 7, and 12 are gone.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/26698717897/in/datetaken/
    andrelego
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    ricecakeandrelego
  • cillablackcillablack edinburghMember Posts: 10
    Hi folks! First time poster. Mum’s a primary school teacher in Falkirk so she had loads of the Grangemouth Lego. Going to pop it on marketplace! :) 

    not sure if the images are attaching via my phone. Will repost if not! 
  • NateFNateF MinnesotaMember Posts: 28
    Variety is the spice of life 

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