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  • kbwkbw Member Posts: 421
    Lego posted this on Instagram. Not a speed champions guy, but could see myself grabbing this one
    https://brickset.com/sets/75884-1/1968-Ford-Mustang-Fastback
  • 77ncaachamps77ncaachamps Member Posts: 2,442
    edited February 2018
    kbw said:
    Lego posted this on Instagram. Not a speed champions guy, but could see myself grabbing this one
    https://brickset.com/sets/75884-1/1968-Ford-Mustang-Fastback
    Like the Nexo Knight shield on the hood as an intake 
    kbwcatwrangler
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    Something I’v been wondering; Given the number of new pieces they’ve made for this theme, plus it seems to be doing well, I can’t see it being axed. However, with TRU not doing so hot, it makes me wonder what will happen to the line as far as retail goes.
    Fizyx
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,638
    That is an interesting point about TRU. Hopefully another store will pick them up or perhaps they will just let them go mainstream. On that same train of thought TRU usually has some large exclusive sets in the $100+ range. Hopefully those don't get killed off.
    FizyxCaptainLego
  • sid3windrsid3windr Member Posts: 1,460
    I don't see why they'd disappear - do note they're only TRU exclusive for you (and even then you can still get them at the LEGO Store). We don't even have a TRU but we do have those sets ;)
    CaptainLegoAstrobricksstlux
  • lee1980lee1980 Member Posts: 42
    I had not even seen speed champs until a few months ago, got a Bugatti and now I want the mustang and fiesta and Ferrari set!! when will this lego collecting ever end lol
    spepper
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    sid3windr said:
    I don't see why they'd disappear - do note they're only TRU exclusive for you (and even then you can still get them at the LEGO Store). We don't even have a TRU but we do have those sets ;)
    I forgot to add that in my post lol.
  • fourstudfourstud Member Posts: 1,370
    The new cars are the best so far. I don’t collect the line but the new pieces and car designs for 2018 are sooo nice. The only thing I’d want is them to stop making 4 wide interiors, Id like some new 6 stud wide ones cause LEGO lacks good windshields pieces for 6 stud wide cars (that I’d like to fit 4 people in!)
    FizyxcatwranglermadforLEGO
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    edited March 2018
    The other thing I want to note is that the licenses themselves, especially Ferrari and Bugatti, are likely not cheap either. They payed money for the licenses, so they have to make use of them.

    So far, we’ve seen Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren, Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Ford, Chevy, and Bugatti. The Ferrari 312T4 from 75889 also has a FIAT logo on it, and while FIAT did own a share of Ferrari for a long time, it makes me wonder if LEGO now has that license. If they do, then that would give them access to Dodge, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, and Maserati. Maybe even the long defunct Plymouth. 

    In addition, having the Bugatti, Audi, and Porsche licenses means they also have some type of deal with VW Group. This means that they may have access to Bentley, specifically the Continental GT3, and Lamborghini. Also, while both Pontiac and Oldsmobile are long gone, LEGO could technically release a GTO or Cutlass 442 if General Motors permits it. LEGO could even throw a Buick Grand National or Buick GNX out there if they wanted to, but again, GM probably has to permit it first.

    Basically, I think LEGO realizes that this theme is something that they cannot just discontinue if TRU’s situation worsens, and it’s only TRU exclusive within the United States. They invested a lot, and the theme has proven to be popular enough to the point where automotive websites have written about them. There’s too much potential here for it to be axed anytime soon. 

    Furthermore, there’s still the Japanese auto manufacturers, BMW, Aston Martin, Pagani, Koenigsegg, Jaguar, and Lotus. Heck, there’s a supercar manufacturer in LEGO’s home country. 

    My only wish is that we get more road cars, as well as more classics, especially within the smaller sets. I also wish the line was 2 waves per year like just about every other theme.
    BumblepantsFizyxMaffyDgmonkey76
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,638
    Yeah they have a BMW technic set and Volvo as well so they could produce those in Speed Champions form I would think. I would love a Volvo Amazon as unlikely as that is.
    CaptainLego
  • floridabrickfloridabrick Member Posts: 158
    "long defunct Plymouth"
    "Pontiac and Oldsmobile are long gone"

    @CaptainLego you're making some of us feel really old.
    CaptainLegoAstrobricksFizyxdatsunrobbiegmonkey76IceCreamClone
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    edited March 2018
    Bumblepants said:
    Yeah they have a BMW technic set and Volvo as well so they could produce those in Speed Champions form I would think. I would love a Volvo Amazon as unlikely as that is.
    I must have forgotten about the BMW technic set. LEGO fans that are gearheads would likely love an E30 M3.

    Actually, here’s an incomplete list of iconic cars and racing legends that LEGO could do in SC with its current brands:

    Mercedes-Benz W196/W196 Streamliner
    Mercedes-Benz 300SL
    Sauber-Mercedes C9
    Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5 16 Cosworth/Evolution
    McLaren F1 GTR (I built an F1 LM myself, and it’s still my favorite MOC, but it would be nice to see the official  LEGO take on this icon.)
    Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR
    Bugatti Type 35(Won over 1000 races in its day)
    Bugatti EB110
    Ferrari 375 F1(Won Ferrari its first F1 win in 1951)
    Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa
    Ferrari 288 GTO
    Ferrari F40
    Ferrari F50
    Ferrari Enzo
    Porsche 356
    Porsche 956
    Porsche 962
    Porsche 959
    Porsche 911 GT1
    Porsche Carerra GT
    Audi Sport Quattro
    1963 Corvette Stingray Split Window
    Chevy Chevelle SS
    Ford Torino Cobra
    Ford GT40 MK4(Actually looks different than the GT40 they did last year.

    New cars they could do include the Ferrari 812 Superfast, McLaren Senna, 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS, 2019 Ford Mustang Bullit, Corvette C7R, Audi R8 V10, Mercedes-Benz Project One(if it makes production), etc

    I’m not sure if a deal with Ford could mean access to Shelby, but I hope so. Overall, I think the theme is going to remain primarily European cars, as while both the United States and Japan have proven themselves in the automotive world, European manufacturers have almost always dominated the field that Speed Champions is mostly based on.
    Brickchap
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    edited March 2018
    floridabrick said:
    "long defunct Plymouth"
    "Pontiac and Oldsmobile are long gone"

    @CaptainLego you're making some of us feel really old.
    Haha, apologies. It does makes me sad that three big players from the 1960s muscle car arms race are gone. :(

    EDIT: Dang, I just realized it’s been 17 years since Plymouth was axed, 14 years since Oldsmobile was axed, and 8 years since Pontiac was axed.
    SumoLego
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,481
    CaptainLego said:
    floridabrick said:
    "long defunct Plymouth"
    "Pontiac and Oldsmobile are long gone"

    @CaptainLego you're making some of us feel really old.
    Haha, apologies. It does makes me sad that three big players from the 1960s muscle car arms race are gone. :(

    EDIT: Dang, I just realized it’s been 17 years since Plymouth was axed, 14 years since Oldsmobile was axed, and 8 years since Pontiac was axed.
    Maybe they could get licenses for Edsel and AMC. LEGO Pacer anyone?
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    Astrobricks said:
    CaptainLego said:
    floridabrick said:
    "long defunct Plymouth"
    "Pontiac and Oldsmobile are long gone"

    @CaptainLego you're making some of us feel really old.
    Haha, apologies. It does makes me sad that three big players from the 1960s muscle car arms race are gone. :(

    EDIT: Dang, I just realized it’s been 17 years since Plymouth was axed, 14 years since Oldsmobile was axed, and 8 years since Pontiac was axed.
    Maybe they could get licenses for Edsel and AMC. LEGO Pacer anyone?
    AMC did have some good performance cars, like the Javelin and Rebel “The Machine”, but along came the Gremlin and Pacer. 
    AstrobricksmadforLEGO
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    Astrobricks said:
    Maybe they could get licenses for Edsel and AMC. LEGO Pacer anyone?
    Why stop there?  We need a Hudson, Studebaker and especially an REO Speedwagon.

    We can take it on the run, baby!

    (I really would like a Hudson Hornet - for real.)
    FizyxCaptainLegodavetheoxygenmanricecakeBumblepantsSithLord196
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    SumoLego said:
    Astrobricks said:
    Maybe they could get licenses for Edsel and AMC. LEGO Pacer anyone?
    Why stop there?  We need a Hudson, Studebaker and especially an REO Speedwagon.

    We can take it on the run, baby!

    (I really would like a Hudson Hornet - for real.)
    Well, they did use em for racing back then.

    But if that’s the case, we better get this:



    gmonkey76dmcc0SumoLegoFowlerBricksBlueTacoIceCreamCloneSithLord196madforLEGO
  • CaptainRogersCaptainRogers Member Posts: 867
    I just grabbed a couple from my local Lego store in St. Louis. Completed the gorgeous #75884 Fastback... Time to build 2 Porsches in #75888.
    I have to say, every time I put one of these cars together it's just so satisfying. May this theme last for a long, long time - I'll keep getting them as long as it does.
    FizyxCaptainLegoBumblepantsspeedtech2
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    edited March 2018
    I do have to wonder if LEGO’s actual target audience for SC is actually gearheads, because it’s unlikely that your average person, kid or adult, is going to know about the 919 or the 250 GTO or the 312 T4. 

    The builds are easy enough to assemble by kids, but perhaps LEGO has decided gearheads are their main target. Many gearheads have kids too :P. 

    If so, I personally think that’s fantastic. It’s definitely working, considering multiple automotive news sites have written about them.
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,481
    CaptainLego said:
    I do have to wonder if LEGO’s actual target audience for SC is actually gearheads, because it’s unlikely that your average person, kid or adult, is going to know about the 919 or the 250 GTO or the 312 T4. 

    The builds are easy enough to assemble by kids, but perhaps LEGO has decided gearheads are their main target. Many gearheads have kids too :P. 

    If so, I personally think that’s fantastic. It’s definitely working, considering multiple automotive news sites have written about them.
    Personally, I’m not a gearhead, I just buy the ones that look cool. Most of them I’ve never heard of before.
    MynattCaptainLegoAyliffeLEGO_Dad77
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    edited March 2018
    Astrobricks said:
    CaptainLego said:
    I do have to wonder if LEGO’s actual target audience for SC is actually gearheads, because it’s unlikely that your average person, kid or adult, is going to know about the 919 or the 250 GTO or the 312 T4. 

    The builds are easy enough to assemble by kids, but perhaps LEGO has decided gearheads are their main target. Many gearheads have kids too :P. 

    If so, I personally think that’s fantastic. It’s definitely working, considering multiple automotive news sites have written about them.
    Personally, I’m not a gearhead, I just buy the ones that look cool. Most of them I’ve never heard of before.
    Works both ways, though. The classics they’ve chosen are some of the most iconic automobiles ever. For example, the Ford GT40 from last year had the same livery as the real GT40 that won the 1966 24 Hours of Le Mans. The GT40 would go on to win in ‘67, ‘68, and ‘69, and in ‘70, the Porsche 917K won. Guess which livery LEGO chose for their 917K? The one worn by the real car that won in 1970, and that was the first time Porsche won the prestigious 24 Hours of Le Mans ever. 

    The classic 911 Turbo 3.0/930 Turbo in 75888 is a 70s icon, and the Ferrari 250 GTO in 75889 is one of the most beautiful cars of all time, and the 250 GTO fetches insane prices when it come up for auction, and have an insane price tag when it come up for private sale.

    I didn’t include the Mustang and Camaro because those are very well known, and only avid fans of Formula One/motorsports will know about the 312 T4. 
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    LEGO has done a fantastic job in making this theme appeal to gearheads, but I can imagine Astrobricks isn’t alone with what he said. If they look cool, they’ll sell. For us LEGO fans that are also gearheads, it’s a real treat to have this theme.

    Also, LEGO needs to release a Porsche 956 and Porsche 962. These two are the reason why Porsche had a 7 year win streak at Le Mans. In total, Porsche has 19 total wins at Le Mans, making them the most successful brand at Le Mans to date.
  • LeonCLeonC Member Posts: 364
    Is the new Ford Mustang a store exclusive in the UK? Can't find it anywhere. 
  • daewoodaewoo Member Posts: 815
    CaptainLego said:
    Astrobricks said:
    CaptainLego said:
    floridabrick said:
    "long defunct Plymouth"
    "Pontiac and Oldsmobile are long gone"

    @CaptainLego you're making some of us feel really old.
    Haha, apologies. It does makes me sad that three big players from the 1960s muscle car arms race are gone. :(

    EDIT: Dang, I just realized it’s been 17 years since Plymouth was axed, 14 years since Oldsmobile was axed, and 8 years since Pontiac was axed.
    Maybe they could get licenses for Edsel and AMC. LEGO Pacer anyone?
    AMC did have some good performance cars, like the Javelin and Rebel “The Machine”, but along came the Gremlin and Pacer. 

    My Gremlin had a 235HP straight 6 engine and I beat Camaros and Mustangs off the line, repeatedly.  It was so over-powered but I loved it.  The only problem was that around 90 mph or so the dash would violently shake, so I would lose most races for distance, but the looks on their faces when I beat them off the line...
    560Heliport
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    daewoo said:
    CaptainLego said:
    Astrobricks said:
    CaptainLego said:
    floridabrick said:
    "long defunct Plymouth"
    "Pontiac and Oldsmobile are long gone"

    @CaptainLego you're making some of us feel really old.
    Haha, apologies. It does makes me sad that three big players from the 1960s muscle car arms race are gone. :(

    EDIT: Dang, I just realized it’s been 17 years since Plymouth was axed, 14 years since Oldsmobile was axed, and 8 years since Pontiac was axed.
    Maybe they could get licenses for Edsel and AMC. LEGO Pacer anyone?
    AMC did have some good performance cars, like the Javelin and Rebel “The Machine”, but along came the Gremlin and Pacer. 

    My Gremlin had a 235HP straight 6 engine and I beat Camaros and Mustangs off the line, repeatedly.  It was so over-powered but I loved it.  The only problem was that around 90 mph or so the dash would violently shake, so I would lose most races for distance, but the looks on their faces when I beat them off the line...
    That’s why I actually like the Gremlin. May not be good looking, but it had decent power for the time.
  • TheOriginalSimonBTheOriginalSimonB Member Posts: 1,783
    Just got my first SC set today, the Ford GT/GT40 pairing. Hopefully not too slippery a slope.
    FowlerBricksCaptainLegoBumblepants
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    TheOriginalSimonB said:
    Just got my first SC set today, the Ford GT/GT40 pairing. Hopefully not too slippery a slope.
    Good choice.
  • daewoodaewoo Member Posts: 815
    TheOriginalSimonB said:
    Just got my first SC set today, the Ford GT/GT40 pairing. Hopefully not too slippery a slope.
    It probably is.  They are really good builds.  I'm hooked!
  • tallblocktootallblocktoo Member Posts: 497
    @TheOriginalSimonB  Good luck with that.  I just keep buying more and more.  

  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,481
    I gotta admit, I’d probably buy more if it wasn’t for the massive quantity of stickers.
  • SithLord196SithLord196 Member Posts: 1,161
    My second car was a 1986 Oldsmobile Delta 88, so despite being younger I do remember Oldsmobile (although that car was older than I was when I owned it).

    I'd really love to see the Richard Petty Plymouth Superbird make an appearance in this line. Nor would I mind a Jeff Gordon rainbow warrior car from the 1990's. 

    IndyCar is by far my favorite racing series, and I'd love to see some of those cars recreated in Lego, such as the 1969 Indianapolis 500 winning STP sponsored car driven by Mario Andretti.

    IMSA and NHRA have had some nice designs over the years too. 

    Unfortunately, IndyCar/IMSA/NASCAR/NHRA may be considered too localized for Lego to consider.
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/toys-r-us-said-to-be-preparing-to-liquidate-all-us-stores-2018-03-08

    If things get even worse, I hope LEGO is already searching for a new major retailer to stock Speed Champions in the states. I don’t think they’ll discontinue a successful line over this, but I also don’t want to lose the ability to actually buy the sets in stores.
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    However, I do wonder if TRU themselves wanted it to be exclusive within the states, as I don’t really understand why LEGO would not want other big retailers to carry them. 
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    CaptainLego said:
    ...if TRU themselves wanted it to be exclusive within the states...
    TRU pays for the exclusivity.  I'm sure Target and Wal-Mart are already maneuvering to secure something similar or fill the void.

    Also, there are always sets exclusive to particular retailers.  (Landspeeder, Penguin Limo, Ra's al Ghul, etc...)
    gmonkey76
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    SumoLego said:
    CaptainLego said:
    ...if TRU themselves wanted it to be exclusive within the states...
    TRU pays for the exclusivity.  I'm sure Target and Wal-Mart are already maneuvering to secure something similar or fill the void.

    Also, there are always sets exclusive to particular retailers.  (Landspeeder, Penguin Limo, Ra's al Ghul, etc...)
    I would hope so. As long as the theme is available elsewhere, I don’t care if it’s Walmart or Target. Just please, someone have them in stores, as there’s no LEGO store around here :(

    Sets, yes, but I can’t think of another theme that was exclusive to one retailer from the beginning. 
    CaptainRogersLEGO_Dad77
  • CaptainRogersCaptainRogers Member Posts: 867
    @CaptainLego totally agreed. If I could only get this at Lego stores statewide, That would be a drive. Plus Wal-Mart and Target are much more likely to have good sales or clearance finds! 
    CaptainLegogmonkey76
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    CaptainLego said:
    Sets, yes, but I can’t think of another theme that was exclusive to one retailer from the beginning. 
    Vikings was a TRU exclusive.
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    edited March 2018
    CaptainRogers said:
    @CaptainLego totally agreed. If I could only get this at Lego stores statewide, That would be a drive. Plus Wal-Mart and Target are much more likely to have good sales or clearance finds! 
    Like I said, given the exclusive rights is only in the states, and considered the theme has been successful, even to the point where big automobile websites have written articles or news stories on them, it’s unlikely the theme will be discontinued due to this. I’m sure Wal-Mart or Target will definitely try to get their hands on the theme, or heck, any sets that were TRU exclusive. 

    It won’t just be LEGO. There are other brands and toys and stuff exclusive to TRU in the states. If anything, other retailers will probably have a field day with this, because they’ll be trying to compete for all those potential sales in the toy isle. That’s just how business works. You want people to come to your store, be it for groceries or for LEGO or for action figures. Thus, someone will want to fill that void because it’s good for business.

    pharmjodCaptainRogers
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    edited March 2018
    I should mention that different sources are saying it differently. “May liquidate”, “preparing”, will,” etc.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    CaptainLego said:
    I should mention that different sources are saying it differently. “May liquidate”, “preparing”, will,” etc.
    The sky is falling until it isn't.
    davetheoxygenman
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    You also gotta factor in Babies R Us stores as well.
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,481
    CaptainLego said:
    You also gotta factor in Babies R Us stores as well.
    In what sense?
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    Astrobricks said:
    CaptainLego said:
    You also gotta factor in Babies R Us stores as well.
    In what sense?
    Store closures. Both store are owned by the same company. Although, the article sounds like neither chain is safe from liquidation.
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,481
    CaptainLego said:
    Astrobricks said:
    CaptainLego said:
    You also gotta factor in Babies R Us stores as well.
    In what sense?
    Store closures. Both store are owned by the same company. Although, the article sounds like neither chain is safe from liquidation.
    I knew that they were closing Babies R Us stores too, but I don’t think they carry LEGO, do they?
  • SithLord196SithLord196 Member Posts: 1,161
    I suspect that if Toys R Us does go under, the Speed Champions will likely appear in Target and/or Walmart. My vote would be Target so I can get the 5% off.

    Babies R Us is owned by Toys R Us as far as I am aware, but they may not be affected if their business is in better shape. I admittedly have not been following all the details of the Toys R Us issues and therefore do not know if Babies R Us is also affected.

    One way that Babies R Us stores could be affected though is that at some locations they are a combined store, as in a Toys R Us and Babies R Us sharing the same building. I would suspect that if Toys R Us does have to liquidate, those combined stores would be affected by the Babies R Us side also needing to liquidate or moving to a smaller location nearby. 

    That being said, I do not see how Babies R Us stores being involved would affect the future of the Speed Champions theme.
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    SithLord196 said:
    I suspect that if Toys R Us does go under, the Speed Champions will likely appear in Target and/or Walmart. My vote would be Target so I can get the 5% off.

    Babies R Us is owned by Toys R Us as far as I am aware, but they may not be affected if their business is in better shape. I admittedly have not been following all the details of the Toys R Us issues and therefore do not know if Babies R Us is also affected.

    One way that Babies R Us stores could be affected though is that at some locations they are a combined store, as in a Toys R Us and Babies R Us sharing the same building. I would suspect that if Toys R Us does have to liquidate, those combined stores would be affected by the Babies R Us side also needing to liquidate or moving to a smaller location nearby. 

    That being said, I do not see how Babies R Us stores being involved would affect the future of the Speed Champions theme.
    It factors into the possible liquidation of the company, not the actual Speed Champions line. I was thinking that maybe it was a mix of Babies R Us and Toys R Us stores, but unless a miracle happens, it looks like TRU in the U.S. may as well be done for.
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,481
    Babies R Us stores (even those not co-located with TRUs) are among the stores already announced for closure, so I assume BRU will go down with TRU if that’s how it goes. 
  • CaptainLegoCaptainLego Member Posts: 385
    edited March 2018
    One article that I came across today mentions the possibility of a European toy store chain coming stateside to fill the void. 

    I’m not holding my breath on that or on a miracle that saves TRU, but, I am expecting some really intense competition to fill that void in the worse case scenario. It’s certainly plausible that a toy chain from outside the country might see an opportunity to establish themselves here in the wake of TRU’s demise, which is not only going to hurt LEGO, but Mattel and Hasbro as well. They are the three biggest toy companies, so they’re gonna want to recuperate those losses by any means possible. 
    Fizyx
  • FizyxFizyx Member Posts: 1,359
    CaptainLego said:
    One article that I came across today mentions the possibility of a European toy store chain coming stateside to fill the void. 

    I’m not holding my breath on that or on a miracle that saves TRU, but, I am expecting some really intense competition to fill that void in the worse case scenario. It’s certainly plausible that a toy chain from outside the country might see an opportunity to establish themselves here in the wake of TRU’s demise, which is not only going to hurt LEGO, but Mattel and Hasbro as well. They are the three biggest toy companies, so they’re gonna want to recuperate those losses by any means possible. 

    Yeah, there is 100% a niche there for a chain that is NOT poorly operated and poorly managed.  It's not going to be the most glamorous, or the highest return, but there is still quite a lot of money to be made if someone can move in and steal as much of TRU's market segment as they possibly can.
  • TheOriginalSimonBTheOriginalSimonB Member Posts: 1,783
    And now I have a Mustang. I'm doomed .
    FowlerBricksGame_onsklamb
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