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  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,920
    I like the choice, but I hope it sells. If it doesn't, similar ideas will be doomed.
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  • LostInTranslationLostInTranslation UKMember Posts: 5,594
    Adzbadboy said:
    It seems LEGO are bringing out more larger sets from the LEGO Ideas platform which is a good sign, therefore the next review results should be quite interesting.

    The original submission contains over 2,000 elements which would be very unlikely to be translated to a LEGO Ideas product, I think they'd like to keep it under 1,000 elements. The fan designer mentioned his inspiration for the Old Fishing Store was the Winter Village sets, which got me thinking that the LEGO designer/s could borrow that insight and scale back the design of the final product, with a similar aesthetic appearance to the Winter Village range without the Christmas theme. It would contain around 800-1000 elements which would be priced between £60 and £90.
    Do we even know what Lego's upper piece limit is when it comes to Ideas sets? I'd have thought they were unlikely to approve the model with 2000 pieces if their intention was to halve that number. That's an awful lot of redesigning to do, and in past Ideas sets they haven't made that many changes, have they, or cut the parts count so drastically?

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  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    edited October 2016
    Agree, if they do then I think they're opening themselves up for massive criticism. What would be the point of accepting a 2000 pc model and then producing something completely different  (a set with 1000 pc's necessarily would be).

    I can see why they would but to be honest I think it needs the complexity and detail - thats this set's hook, and to my mind this is the first set without a very obvious hook (others have had IPs (inc Nasa), games and feminism). This is for the detailed model/modular crowd and simplifying it to the level of a standard creator or winter village set would kill it. 
    pharmjodcatwrangleroldtodd33
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,442
    This is for the detailed model/modular crowd and simplifying it to the level of a standard creator or winter village set would kill it. 
    This is exactly what I worry about with this set.

     They have made massive changes to sets from the projects to sets before, the original Delorean might have been a similar scale but was definitely shrunk down a little for the set (https://ideas.lego.com/projects/96) the Ecto-1 was originally a project featuring the Firehouse and Ecto-1 (despite the fact that there was a project in the same review that was just for the ecto-1 - https://ideas.lego.com/projects/36088) and anyone remember what the original mine craft project looked like - it was minifig scale and pretty poor compared to the recent minifig scale sets (https://ideas.lego.com/projects/4038)

    As ever I think with anything from Ideas a certain amount of expectation management is necessary. It would be crazy for LEGO to change the design too much on this kind of project, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
    catwrangler
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    My guess would be a change from what looks to be SNOT and tiled walls to brick walls.  That will save a big chunk of pieces (and might mean we get sand green bricks).  Next up they could lose lots of interior detail or some structural elements without a massive change to the model.  They may go that route.  It also looks like it won't need much in the way of printing (no stickers for ideas!) and that might mean they can do it but keep the price reasonable perhaps.  I'm fully expecting £120 though.  No, not expecting, hoping.
    catwrangler
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,924
    Adzbadboy said:
    It seems LEGO are bringing out more larger sets from the LEGO Ideas platform which is a good sign, therefore the next review results should be quite interesting.

    The original submission contains over 2,000 elements which would be very unlikely to be translated to a LEGO Ideas product, I think they'd like to keep it under 1,000 elements. The fan designer mentioned his inspiration for the Old Fishing Store was the Winter Village sets, which got me thinking that the LEGO designer/s could borrow that insight and scale back the design of the final product, with a similar aesthetic appearance to the Winter Village range without the Christmas theme. It would contain around 800-1000 elements which would be priced between £60 and £90.
    Do we even know what Lego's upper piece limit is when it comes to Ideas sets? I'd have thought they were unlikely to approve the model with 2000 pieces if their intention was to halve that number. That's an awful lot of redesigning to do, and in past Ideas sets they haven't made that many changes, have they, or cut the parts count so drastically?
    The LEGO Ideas guidelines say "Please keep your projects to a maximum of 3,000 pieces. Big models are awesome, but we have to set limits to the size of LEGO Ideas submissions."
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  • starwars4everstarwars4ever The Forest Moon of EndorMember Posts: 489
    Why no Star Wars?!? Perfect opportunity for unconventional ideas that we will never see in the regular theme!
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    edited October 2016
    Adzbadboy said:
    The original submission contains over 2,000 elements which would be very unlikely to be translated to a LEGO Ideas product, I think they'd like to keep it under 1,000 elements.
    I don't think anyone knows what LEGO would like to do with Ideas. A few years ago, most discounted the possibility that anything above 500 pieces would be made into a set, yet we now have two sets approaching 800. I understand 2000 is quite a jump beyond that. But LEGO has shown that, within reason, they stay relatively true the original scope of the project.

    I expect one of two outcomes for this project: A moderately pared-down version (e.g. simplified and slightly less detail) with ~1500 pieces at $150, or a version close to the original with ~2000 pieces at $200.
    Shib said:
    They have made massive changes to sets from the projects to sets before [...]
    Changes, yes, but massive changes? Minecraft is probably the only one that can be described as such, and I don't think it's relevant.
  • matolimatoli italyMember Posts: 6
    binaryeye said:
    I don't think anyone knows what LEGO would like to do with Ideas. 
    That's right, and this approval of fishing store is the smoking gun :-). I'm so surprised and excited because they'll produce a real MOC and a bigger stuff (100 $ or more?).  this fact opens wide scenarios for ideas sets. I love so much this creation
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    MattsWhat said:
    My guess would be a change from what looks to be SNOT and tiled walls to brick walls.  That will save a big chunk of pieces (and might mean we get sand green bricks).  
    this was my initial thought as well. I could also see the following be done to shave pieces/price:  shorter tower.  less complex/ornate roof.  smaller/less detailed dock.
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,442
    binaryeye said:
    Changes, yes, but massive changes? Minecraft is probably the only one that can be described as such, and I don't think it's relevant.
    I suppose this depends on perspective- minecraft had a complete style change so I'd easily the easiest to see, but the Delorean and Ecto-1 to me look hugely different. They look similar as they are from the same source material and made at the same scale but to me the fan models and official sets have both taken a very different route. Add to the Ecto-1 the approval of only one small part of what was featured on the main project image and it still seems fair to say that's a massive change to what those voting for it might have expected.

    I'm also voicing this a little bit based on just how much whining occurred about he use of barrels instead of wheels on the Exo-Suit. To me that was a trivial change but here and on other LEGO sites some people were saying thing like it completely ruins the set.

    While the project doesn't appeal to me at all the fact that it passed review is potentially good as it opens the scope for what else might come from ideas, but if it sells poorly it could have completely the opposite effect. That's why I personally am not expecting the final set to look exactly like the fan model, I just think it's a safer way to approach it to avoid disappointment.
    dougtscatwranglertallblocktookiki180703
  • scotty12scotty12 United States, IowaMember Posts: 745
    Caterham looks nice!  Adventure Time...pass.  I've seen it a few times on Cartoon Network with the kids....it wasn't interesting or funny.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,920
    Why no Star Wars?!? Perfect opportunity for unconventional ideas that we will never see in the regular theme!
    Probably because Lego don't need ideas about what Star Wars sets will sell, at the different price points they use.
    stluxgmonkey76
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,924
    CCC said:
    Why no Star Wars?!? Perfect opportunity for unconventional ideas that we will never see in the regular theme!
    Probably because Lego don't need ideas about what Star Wars sets will sell, at the different price points they use.
    Plus, in general, I think anything based on a current theme (licensed or not) is risky, since LEGO puts a lot of thought into how many sets from each brand they think the market can bear. So even if you design a Star Wars or Ninjago project that's different from all previous Star Wars or Ninjago sets, it might wind up competing for attention with the other Star Wars or Ninjago sets that LEGO already has planned.

    That's not to say "projects based on current themes are a no-go", because if that were the case it wouldn't be hard for LEGO to just make a rule against it and save people the disappointment. But it is a risk to bear in mind. In the case of discontinued themes like Exo-Force or Avatar: The Last Airbender it shouldn't be a concern.
  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,979
    Wow! I am so pleasantly surprised! I just love the look of this. As long as they do this well, I will definitely be buying this one. 
  • thebeermonkeythebeermonkey GlasgowMember Posts: 390
    edited October 2016
    Coming soon, and probably before the official Lego release, the Lepin version of this. Mark my words.
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  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,890
    I hope you're wrong, but nothing would surprise me anymore. :(
    thebeermonkeystluxkiki180703
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 7,057
    The Beatles Yellow Submarine has surfaced on Reddit...
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  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    Submarine, surfaced. Very good. :)
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  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 2,147
    ^^ Thanks for the heads up.
  • stluxstlux LuxembourgMember Posts: 2,436
    Thanks @Bumblepants! I think it looks better than the original Ideas submission - it's "rounder" and seems closer to the one from the movie to me.
    Still not sure I'd get it as I'm not a big Beatles fan. My wife is, *except* for 1 album: Yellow Submarine Songtrack...
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,920
    I'm not at all interested in the set, but I notice more of the bent macaroni tubes coming and the re-use of the Nexo Knights Scurrier body.
    stluxkiki180703catwrangler
  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 2,147
    Any news on saturn v?
  • graphitegraphite USMember Posts: 3,270
    edited October 2016
    Johnyk668 said:
    Anyone know if there is a link to the actual build and parts list to Johnny5?
    @Johnyk668
    The creator donated the instructions to Creations for Charity and can be purchased through their Bricklink shop http://www.bricklink.com/store/home.page?p=C4C#/shop?o={"q":"johnny"}

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  • Johnyk668Johnyk668 Melbourne, Australia Member Posts: 73
    Thanks for the heads up @graphite , I'll head over there and purchase them. 
  • AdeelZubairAdeelZubair London, UKMember Posts: 2,698

    LEGO Ideas - A Holiday Update

    #21308 - Adventure Time (26th December, 2016)
    #XXXXX - Apollo 11 Saturn V (Expected Mid-2017)
    #XXXXX - Old Fishing Store (Expected Fall 2017)

    Source: https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/1-blog/post/110

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  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,920
    So about a year to redesign and get the Old Fishing Store out. Ideas lose a bit of their impetus when it takes so long.
    dougts
  • CM4SCM4S United StatesMember Posts: 1,366
    It's probably done being designed they just need an extra year to make the packaging and take the photos 
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,890
    What's the history with "the longer it takes, the less impetus" Ideas sets - have people been disappointed in particular ones where that happened?
  • SithLord196SithLord196 Member Posts: 1,160
    I'm not sure it's as much disappointment as much as it is people forget about it and then there isn't as much excitement surrounding its release. 

    For example, I keep forgetting that the Saturn V rocket is supposed to be getting released.
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  • blogzillyblogzilly Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 598
    You'll probably be into it when it comes out. It will get marketed like it should. But most toy industry product development takes 9-12 months USUALLY. There are exceptions to that rule of course, but not that many. The more complex the project, the longer the cycle.
    AanchirLyichirGlacierfalls265
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,920
    Yeah, but normally you are not told about it at the start of the design cycle.
    pharmjod
  • JodyJody Eastern USAMember Posts: 104
    Even though Lego says they will not make new tooling for ideas projects, I am guessing it does happen from time to time. This is probably the single biggest holdup in the process.
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,924
    Jody said:
    Even though Lego says they will not make new tooling for ideas projects, I am guessing it does happen from time to time. This is probably the single biggest holdup in the process.
    For the Saturn V? I dunno. I think it's probably it's sheer size that's holding it up more than anything. I imagine they have to do a lot of testing to make it as sturdy as possible so they don't wind up with another #10213 situation.
    MattDawsonLyichir
  • MattDawsonMattDawson Solihull, UKMember Posts: 1,305
    Also bear in mind that they're announcing the winners publicly AFTER they've told the actual winner(s).

    They also mention in pretty much every video that their designers are working hard on redesigning the fan model to meet their standards/techniques. It wouldn't surprise me if they were doing pre-lim work when projects reached 5K.
    pharmjodgmonkey76catwrangler
  • blogzillyblogzilly Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 598
    Also bear in mind that they're announcing the winners publicly AFTER they've told the actual winner(s).

    They also mention in pretty much every video that their designers are working hard on redesigning the fan model to meet their standards/techniques. It wouldn't surprise me if they were doing pre-lim work when projects reached 5K.
    True.

    The prelim thing would surprise me. Aren't there projects that reach 5K but do not reach 10,000? I think I'd believe that statement after the 10K mark but prior to announcement. But I have no idea how TLG allocates any of its resources. Not that I wouldn't love to know mind you...but that's a pipe dream of all pipe dreams. I'm way too old to get the knowledge I need to try to have TLG be the last product development job in my career. But I do hope that I'm not too old that I can't one day have enough know how to submit a couple of ideas to the site. 
  • Johnyk668Johnyk668 Melbourne, Australia Member Posts: 73
    I would think preliminaries would need to be started well before deciding a winner, I'd expect they would want to avoid choosing a model that has inherent structural problem.
    I'd also think well in advance as a number of ideas are nearing 10k that they already know what will and won't make it to shelves.
    Apollo is going to be difficult as I'd say it is designed as a show piece but you'll always get the people wanting to swoosh it and I can't blame them.
    With some of the issues we've seen Lego want to avoid having to release fix kits. 
    MattDawson
  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,719
    One big problem with the Saturn V is it's designed to have sections fall off in space. Depending on parts used it's easy to make a Lego tube. But how do you have all the details when it's together, and when it breaks apart? How do you make it strong enough to stay together for flying, but easy to take apart for display?
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  • ricecakericecake Maryland, USAMember Posts: 879
    https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/1-blog/post/113

    Twelve models have made it to the review phase:
    1. Boat Repair Shop (by RobenAnne)
    2. Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. "The Bus" LEGO Set (by Savath_Bunny)

    3. Hulkbuster UCS (by Raychow)

    4. Lego Store Modular Version (by )kashaka

    5. Red Dwarf Lego (by )Legobob32

    6. Landrover 4 x 4 (by Dadandlad)

    7. Volkswagen Golf MK1 GTI (by hasskabal)

    8. Vintage Tram (by kevinszeto)

    9. 1950's Diner (pix027)

    10. Ship In A Bottle, The Flagship Leviathan. (by JakeSadovich77)

    11. UCS Rey´s Speeder (by Robert Lundmark)

    12. The Iron Giant (by BrettCuv)

    Congratulations to all and good luck!
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  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,890
    My wallet is grateful that there's nothing must-have here for me (the next round, on the other hand...), but I do like the idea of a Ship in a Bottle set! 
  • Gruff666Gruff666 United KingdomMember Posts: 217
    In my view, that's the best review list so far and would love any one of them models. Can't see it happening but that hulk buster would be an awesome set
  • CM4SCM4S United StatesMember Posts: 1,366
    I don't think any of those will make it. Maybe the Diner because itd be cool to see them use the CMF Waitress pieces with different prints and stuff.
    MattDawsondougtsgmonkey76kiki180703
  • Steve_J_OMSteve_J_OM IrelandMember Posts: 967
    I would make the comment that I'd bloody love The Iron Giant, but I think every idea I've said that about has not made it. So I'm not saying it.

    <_< >_>
    pharmjodMaffyD
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    ricecake said:
    https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/1-blog/post/113

    Twelve models have made it to the review phase:
    1. Boat Repair Shop (by RobenAnne)
    2. Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. "The Bus" LEGO Set (by Savath_Bunny)

    3. Hulkbuster UCS (by Raychow)

    4. Lego Store Modular Version (by )kashaka

    5. Red Dwarf Lego (by )Legobob32

    6. Landrover 4 x 4 (by Dadandlad)

    7. Volkswagen Golf MK1 GTI (by hasskabal)

    8. Vintage Tram (by kevinszeto)

    9. 1950's Diner (pix027)

    10. Ship In A Bottle, The Flagship Leviathan. (by JakeSadovich77)

    11. UCS Rey´s Speeder (by Robert Lundmark)

    12. The Iron Giant (by BrettCuv)

    Congratulations to all and good luck!
    Most of these don't stand a chance. Drop all the Superhero and Star Wars stuff right off the top.  LEGO store modular seems like something LEGO would just do if they wanted to - no reason to have an Ideas sets for it.  the Ship int he bottle is probably the most "ideas" like thing in the list, but hard to get around the parts requirements and likely fragility of the actual "bottle.".  Boat repair is too similar to old fishing store that just got approved.  Landrover or VW - lots of cars done already though.  Vintage Tram or the Diner maybe the best bets?

    I dunno. No obvious winner here
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  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 2,147
    The Iron Giant looks cool, I have never seen it but if it wins I would buy it for sure. Red Dwarf would be my choice only because I loved the show but I don't think it has much of a chance.
    sonatine01kiki180703
  • RedbullgivesuwindRedbullgivesuwind Brickset's Secret HeadquatersMember Posts: 1,984
    I think if anything gets through it will be the Golf GTI. Lego already has an agreement with VW so it wouldn't be hard to arrange. Plus the car sets seem to be very popular with people.
  • MattDawsonMattDawson Solihull, UKMember Posts: 1,305
    My thoughts
    1, 4 & 9: too similar to the 'old fishing store' so unlikely
    2 & 3: licensing issues, or 'too similar to existing themes' 
    6 & 7: too similar to the Caterham released recently
    5: too adult (frequent references to sex, alcohol etc) 
    8: hmm, no train/tram models so far, so maybe this might make the cut?
    10, 11 & 12 - built method/structural integrity issues? Esp. with Iron Giant's size and narrow legs.

    catwranglerkiki180703Bumblepants
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,890
    I'd love it if they could make the Iron Giant work, actually - I grew up with the book and I like the movie. But it seems like quite a challenge. And it seems from the forum that Train fans feel a bit unloved by TLG of late, so it'd be nice if that won...
  • SithLord196SithLord196 Member Posts: 1,160
    I could see the Ship in a Bottle or Tram getting approved. I like both.

    The others are too close to recently approved Ideas submissions or are unlikely because of licensing.
    gmonkey76
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