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Ice Planet Info?

davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 806
So, in working on an Ice Planet MOC recently, I've been looking up more information on the theme, and I was wondering what other tidbits about them might be out there.  The LEGO wikia page says that the top of the #6973 Deep Freeze Defender reads:
The ice planet Krysto, with its vast network of frozen tunnels and caves, is the capital of a remote part of the universe known as Ice Planet 2002. It is from this snow covered planet that rocket technicians are conducting top secret research. Their findings are coveted by the Blacktron forces and even renegades within the Space Police.
I hadn't remembered the mention of frozen caves and tunnels, although the name of Krysto seemed to ring a bell.  So I dug out my copy of the Deep Freeze Defender, and it's got DIFFERENT text:
Scientists on the frozen planet Krysto conduct top secret satellite research, but dangerous forces in the universe want their technology.  With Building sets from the LEGO SYSTEM™ Space Collection, only you, the LEGO MANIAC™, can put Ice Planet foes into a deep freeze.
That's the North American box, with the same above text translated into both French and Spanish immediately following the English.  So, does the one talking about tunnels and Blacktron and such come from the UK box?  (Sadly, I can't seem to find my Ice Station Odyssey box, although I assume it's probably got the same text on it)

I also note that the Summer 1994 Bricks 'n Pieces magazine had a short article on Spyrius (also mentioning Ice Planet, once calling it merely "Planet 2002" rather than "Ice Planet 2002"):
http://www.miniland.nl/LEGOclub/lego magazine lezen.htm

But I can't find any scans of 1993 Bricks 'n Pieces or Brick Kicks magazines that have anything similar for Ice Planet.  (I have the Winter 1993 Brick Kicks, and from the looks of it, it seems unlikely that other Brick Kicks would have anything like it).  Also nothing terribly interesting in the normal catalogs or [email protected] catalogs (although the Spring 1994 [email protected] catalog mistakenly refers to the skis in the Celestial Sled as "snow shoes").

Although not terribly noteworthy, the UK 1993 catalog says:
Located right in the centre of the Universe so their advanced rockets with satellites can reach any remote galaxy.  Only special equipment makes it possible to survive the freezing cold climate.
The only interesting tidbit there being that it seemingly contradicts the reported statement in the #6973 box cover that says that it's "a remote part of the universe" as opposed to "right in the centre of the Universe".

I also know that the leader of Ice Planet was later referred to as "Commander Cold" in one of the LEGO Racers games, although it's not clear if it was invented for the game, or if it was actually taken from earlier internal summaries of the lineup.  Given that it's the first space theme with apparent "characters", it wouldn't surprise me if LEGO had additional descriptions internally for them, though we may never know without some official input.

Anyone else have any other tidbits on Ice Planet?

DaveE

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  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,732
    I'll see what I can find tomorrow in my British Bricks & Pieces mags; one of them has an Ice Planet cover feature...
  • LusiferSamLusiferSam MontanaMember Posts: 466
    edited October 2016
    I seem to remember that there was a short little comic that heavy featured Ice Planet.  A quick search of my old Lego Club stuff didn't turn it up.  Maybe else where or maybe I can't have have any more.  I'll look a bit more.

    EDIT:  Found a trading card of Ice Station Odyssey.  It talks about the hidden tunnels and networks of ice caves and mentions Blacktron.  When I have more time later tonight I'll try to scan it.
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,777
    The Ice Planet leader was named Commander Bear in the UK (#6834 is simply called "Commander Bear" and #6705 is "Commander Bear and the Spyrians").
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 806
    EDIT:  Found a trading card of Ice Station Odyssey.  It talks about the hidden tunnels and networks of ice caves and mentions Blacktron.  When I have more time later tonight I'll try to scan it.
    Wow, cool!  I didn't even know about those cards!  Did they come in one of the magazines?
    Aanchir said:
    The Ice Planet leader was named Commander Bear in the UK (#6834 is simply called "Commander Bear" and #6705 is "Commander Bear and the Spyrians").
    Huh, I didn't even notice that!

    ... And oddly enough, in the German catalog, he's "Ice Planet Bob"!



    Anyone have an Australian catalog handy?

    DaveE

  • LusiferSamLusiferSam MontanaMember Posts: 466
    Ok here's the but the of the card.
    Yes, they did come with one of the 1993 Brick Kicks magazines.  I don't recalled which one.  I must have misplace a few because I only have three on hand: 6056, 6957 and 6983.  I thought there cards for 6076, 6286, 6398 and more.  Hoping this are at my parents house where I still have a lot of Lego paper work.

    Also found the comic, "Encounter at Ice Station Odyssey".  It doesn't say much more about Ice Planet other than the base is underground.  It is much more focused on Blacktron 2 and the Lego Maniacs, Jack and Mack, helping the Ice Planet to defeat them.  For those curious the Blacktron 2 leader is named Commander Beltar.
    davee123
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 806
    Huh!  So there, it's claiming Krysto is the capital-- as in, the capital city perhaps, rather than the planet?  And it seems to imply that all 3 characters are scientists!  Does that mean that the Ice Planet Babe is the first female LEGO scientist?

    Also kind of amusing that Ice Station Odyssey "is hidden in a vast network of ice caves", seeing as how it's tricky to launch rockets from inside a cave! :)

    I'd love to see the backs of the other cards if you get a chance!  I guess they must be rather uncommon, seeing as how only two of them are listed in the BrickLink catalog!

    DaveE
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,245
    the spyrians also launch rockets from a cave (or rather a mountain)
    Oldfan
  • LusiferSamLusiferSam MontanaMember Posts: 466
    So here are the other two cards I have on hand.  I'll have to look for the others.  If they aren't with my stack of in-pack catalogs I don't know where they might be.  I'm really hoping I didn't miss place or loose them.  After looking at BrickLink I realized just how how wrong I was on what sets got cards.  I was thinking 6277 had a card, but was really unsure.  I could have sworn that there was a Town or two in the mix. 
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,732
    Finally found that Bricks 'n' Pieces mag; here's a link to the pics on Imgur:

    http://imgur.com/a/9cwnH

    SprinkleOtterricecakedavee123Bumblepants
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 806
    Finally found that Bricks 'n' Pieces mag; here's a link to the pics on Imgur:

    http://imgur.com/a/9cwnH

    Woah, neat!

    So, there's an Ice Planet figure hologram dealybob apparently?  I don't see it on BrickLink, though, I guess it must be pretty uncommon to find!

    And of course here it says that the base's "distinctive orange canopy can be seen for miles", even though on the collector card, it says that it's hidden in a network of ice caves :)

    DaveE
    catwranglerBumblepantsSprinkleOtter
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Sofia BG/Dallas TXMember Posts: 5,610
    I love Ice Planet as a kid, this is a fascinating thread. Now I am trying to stay off Bricklink as the desire to finally get the Ice Station Odyssey is starting to take control.
    catwrangler
  • LostInTranslationLostInTranslation UKMember Posts: 5,500
    It was a very special Christmas when I got #6983 as a kid :-)
    Still got it now, as well as some of the smaller sets, and trying to think of MOCs to make use of those huge trans orange panels. 
    catwranglerBumblepants
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Sofia BG/Dallas TXMember Posts: 5,610
    #6973 was my pride and joy as a kid. The sliding garage door parts to pop up the small service craft is still one of the coolest play feature designs. As much as I love Star Wars it seems a shame creative space themes like this will never thrive under the shadow of licensed sets. Maybe that is just my nostalgia talking though
    catwranglerSprinkleOtter
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,732
    Your nostalgia may be talking, but it isn't necessarily wrong! I went to look through the Space section of the database just now and in 1999, the year Star Wars Lego started, you get the Insectoids, but after that there's couple of years' gap (maybe Insectoids were still available, I don't know) before Life on Mars, which had a pretty different feel overall and, as I understand it, wasn't well liked. Then there's no new theme until 2007 (Mars Mission) which is a little closer (BIG space cruisers, bright-coloured trans canopies), but still feels more like it's meant to be happening a few years down the line than in the kind of far-future remove that I always felt was present in the classic Space lines (the name of Ice Planet 2002 notwithstanding......)

    Space Police 3 came along in 2009, but its look was closer to the last couple of lines than to older Space stuff; ditto Alien Conquest and Galaxy Squad. Overall I think the look was becoming more cartoony/less blocky, which may have been a case of needing to move with the times/children's expectations as much as anything else. And the sets do actually look really fun; they just don't scratch the itch nurtured by growing up on classic Space...

    I do get the impression that Nexo Knights is a very deliberate attempt to push that kind of aesthetic again - the good guy sets in particular are often very angular in design, there's a lot of trans red, etc., but if/how that will continue in the 2017 sets (we know from leaks that the bad guy stuff is changing its look) is anyone's guess...
    Bumblepants
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,732
    Wow, I never knew any of that - it does explain a lot!! And thank goodness they were able to renegotiate!
  • plasmodiumplasmodium UKMember Posts: 1,936
    ^^Fascinating! Explains a lot!
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,777

    Space Police 3 came along in 2009, but its look was closer to the last couple of lines than to older Space stuff; ditto Alien Conquest and Galaxy Squad. Overall I think the look was becoming more cartoony/less blocky, which may have been a case of needing to move with the times/children's expectations as much as anything else. And the sets do actually look really fun; they just don't scratch the itch nurtured by growing up on classic Space...
    I'd say that the different aesthetic has more to do with kids' changing expectations and the changing LEGO parts palette than anything else. What kids expect "the future" to look like tends to vary greatly with time, much more so than what kids feel like "the past" looked like. What's more, streamlining has been seen as cutting-edge or futuristic for decades. Perhaps if curved slopes and windscreens had been available to LEGO Space designers in the 80s and 90s, they might have used those as well. But those sorts of parts really only became ubiquitous in the naughts.

    In spite of a very different aesthetic than the classic sets, I think that the Space Police 3 sets were very true to the classic Space themes in spirit.
    catwranglerLyichirSprinkleOtter
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,732
    Right, wasn't that one of the reasons they only did monorails a couple of times? I mean, that kids now have no sense of "monorail = futuristic"...
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 806
    Right, wasn't that one of the reasons they only did monorails a couple of times? I mean, that kids now have no sense of "monorail = futuristic"...
    One of the reasons, yes-- In the 1980s, there was a lot of talk about magnetic levitating trains and superconductors, because there was a lot of research going on at the time that looked promising.  So futuristic-looking trains were all over the news, and typically were monorails in design.

    But slowly, I guess the idea of "trains" in general kind of became old hat, or something, because now they're not viewed the same way, I don't think.

    I suspect that the monorail system was developed in response to that feeling of "futuristic", as well as a way to further introduce their 9v system, which had been launched in 1986.

    At the time, LEGO was up against Tyco Super Blocks in the US, and I'll bet (although I've never heard official confirmation) that the 9v system was one of LEGO's ways of combating Tyco, since it provided extra functionality.  Given how limited the system was in 1986, compared to the later expansions to monorail, techinc motors, and trains, I personally suspect that LEGO was looking to release as quickly as possible, and kicked off with "Light & Sound" in 1986 before the rest of the system was fully explored.

    Further, it makes sense that they were looking to add it to space and town sets with minifigs, whereas before, most (all?) of the motorized or lighting sets were either Technic or Trains.  But their bigger selling lineup was the minifig space theme, which was a great place to put their new features.

    And while it would take a while to convert 12v and 4.5 trains, the monorail system probably seemed like a good contender to release, since it was extremely cool, and further showcased their new electric system.

    But mostly, monorails evaporated because they were too expensive to produce, and didn't sell well enough.  The motors were supposedly VERY high quality, and the extremely large track elements were probably pretty costly (especially the switch tracks, I'll bet).

    From 1986-1991, LEGO pumped out a at least 7 space sets with electronic elements across Classic Space, Futuron, Space Police, and Blacktron II, but then sorta slowed down.  From 1992-1999, they only released 2-- the Unitron monorail (1994) and the large UFO starship (1997).

    I'm curious if the Futuron monorail had performed better whether on not we might have even seen an M:Tron or Ice Planet monorail?  Who knows?  (An Ice Planet monorail is actually part of my current MOC project)

    DaveE
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  • BumblepantsBumblepants Sofia BG/Dallas TXMember Posts: 5,610
    ^please post pictures of the Ice Planet Monorail when you have some! I recall trying to build an Ice Planet train using my 9V set as a base and a blue bean bag chair for the base as a kid.
    LostInTranslation
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 806
    edited October 2016
    Will do!  I think I've actually got the monorail more-or-less done.  Now I'm working on the rest of the layout (which should be pretty gigantic).  I made a YouTube video of the proof-of-concept monorail, but it's since changed quite a lot (it now uses Power Functions to slow down and speed up, and has a much more detailed body).

    Hopefully will be complete before May of 2017 (my next local BrickFair New England event date), but it depends on a lot of factors!

    DaveE
    SprinkleOttercatwrangler
  • AySeaAySea Member Posts: 61
    davee123 said:
    Finally found that Bricks 'n' Pieces mag; here's a link to the pics on Imgur:

    http://imgur.com/a/9cwnH

    ...

    So, there's an Ice Planet figure hologram dealybob apparently?  I don't see it on BrickLink, though, I guess it must be pretty uncommon to find!

    ...
    Looking at the image in the Bricks 'n' Pieces mag in the link, I think I may have one of those hologram dealybobs somewhere...

    I'll have to have a hunt for it.
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