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What non-IP, non-big bang theme do you expect/hope (realistically) to be the next?

After 2000 TLG has released the following non-IP, non-Big Bang "classic" themes:
  • Life on Mars (2001)
  • Alpha Team (2001–2005)
  • Island Xtreme Stunts (2002–2003)
  • Dino Attack/Dino 2010 (2005)
  • Vikings (2005–2006)
  • Exo-Force (2006–2008)
  • Aqua Raiders (2007)
  • Mars Mission (2007-2008)
  • Agents (2008–2009)
  • Power Miners (2009–2010)
  • Space Police III (2009-2010)
  • Atlantis (2010–2011)
  • Pharaoh's Quest (2011)
  • Alien Conquest (2011)
  • Dino (2012)
  • Monster Fighters (2012)
  • Galaxy Squad (2013)
  • Ultra Agents (2014-2015)

By "classic" I have minifig "boys" themes with a traditional price point-structure in mind, i.e. Mixels and CMF do not qualify as classic themes.

Although some of the above sets are clasified as sub-themes on Brickset, I consider them as stand-alone themes with their own unique design and story.

In addtion we had a minidoll "girls" theme:

  • Elves (2015-present)

For the sake of completeness we had the following Big Bang themes:

  • Ninjago (2011–present)
  • Friends (2012-present)
  • Legends of Chima (2013-2015)
  • Nexo Knights (2016-present)
As appears, no new non-IP, non-Big Bang themes were introduced in 2015-2016 - and so far no rumors for 2017.

So: What non-IP, non-big bang theme do you expect/hope (realistically!) to be the next?

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  • SprinkleOtterSprinkleOtter Member Posts: 2,751
    It all depends on what you call a "Big Bang" theme. I wouldn't call many of the above a big bang theme, while you did not mention one of the largest big bang themes, Knights' Kingdom II
    bobabricks
  • bok2bok2 Member Posts: 53
    I did not mention castle and pirate themes as I do not consider them to be "unique" to qualify as new themes - more like "more of the same" resurrected IMO.
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,538
    space and castle don't seem too likely, some of the other themes were done recently either in city (divers, etc...) or under license (dinos, etc...)
    adventurers seems to be the one that hasn't been done in a while.
    LEGO_Dad77
  • Legopassion8Legopassion8 North CarolinaMember Posts: 1,181
    I hope Lego does a Caveman series with wooly mammoths and Sabertooth cats. I enjoyed the Cave woman from CMF series V 
    gmonkey76LEGO_Dad77catwrangler
  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,672
    ^and even though it's not time period correct I'd love to see a caveman dinosaur theme. 
    Legopassion8LEGO_Dad77
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,921
    @Nabii mentions here that Exo-Force, Power Miners, and Atlantis were all considered "big bang" themes during development. Elves was also a "big bang" theme, like Friends, albeit not on the same scale. You can still see a record of this in the placeholder title of the first LEGO Elves chapter book.

    I honestly think girl-oriented themes are where there's the most obvious room for growth right now. Currently there are girl-oriented fantasy and modern-day themes, but no girl-oriented sci-fi theme, so that could be a nice thing to introduce. Not sure what would be ideal there because I'm not that keyed into what trends are popular with girls these days. Dystopian sci-fi like "The Hunger Games" certainly seems to be popular with teenage girls and young women, but most of those series are rather bleak, which could make it hard to craft an original kids' toyline with lots of shelf appeal within that genre.

    And in any case, it might be better to launch a new girl-oriented theme as a character-driven "big bang" theme, since that's been a reliable approach for Friends and Elves. Other than that, I have no idea what sort of new themes the next few years might call for.
    CCCDontcopythatfloppycatwrangler
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,061
    Maybe a Future-Arama theme with a green spaceship, some various interesting alien folk, a fish-out-of-water protagonist, a crazy old scientist...

    Or something like "Lego City 3020", with flying cars, etc.  An I, Robot/BTTF2 future-world.
    BumblepantsLEGO_Dad77Fireheartricecakecatwrangler
  • CM4SCM4S United StatesMember Posts: 1,364
    They could bring Sports back.
    Legopassion8josekalelKingAlanI
  • DontcopythatfloppyDontcopythatfloppy 'MuricaMember Posts: 43
    edited September 2016
    SumoLego said:
    Maybe a Future-Arama theme with a green spaceship, some various interesting alien folk, a fish-out-of-water protagonist, a crazy old scientist...

    Or something like "Lego City 3020", with flying cars, etc.  An I, Robot/BTTF2 future-world.

     I just want more spaceships.
    bobabricksjosekalelbluemoose
  • willobee498willobee498 CanadalandMember Posts: 349
    A return of Adventurers! Pharaohs Quest was a good shot, but so much more to be explored!
    LEGO_Dad77
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 6,892
    CM4S said:
    They could bring Sports back.
    If Sports did come back I wouldn't be surprised if it was co-branded with an athletic wear company or a pro league. Hopefully it wouldn't be but that seems to be the trend.
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,421
    I think that the way LEGO is going if you take out licenced themes and Big Bang themes you are basically just left with City.

    The big problem with this approach for me is that a Big Bang theme is made as such by promotional approach rather than by the content of the theme so it's difficult to say what will or won't be considered as such until a cartoon or the like is confirmed.

    catwrangler
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,645
    The other problem with this is that the list of non-IP, non-Big Bang "classic" themes are primarily from a time before multiple Big Bang themes were running.

    I guess they have to evaluate whether putting effort into one year and done themes is viable these days, when they are up against both increased numbers of licensed sets and increased numbers of Big Bang sets.

    Do they really need to do series like Galaxy Squad or Ultra-Agents, if they are going up against Nexo Knights, Ninjago, yearly sub-themes of City (be it arctic, deep sea, volcano, etc).

    BumblepantsSi_UKNZstluxcatwranglerDontcopythatfloppy
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 6,892
    edited September 2016
    Space themes also have a tough time since Star Wars is so massive. Kids watch the cartoons, Parents have nostalgia for the films/toys of their childhood, and pretty much anyone with a sci-fi interest has seen the films. Space Skulls II might be strong enough to compete though!
    SumoLegoricecakecatwranglerDontcopythatfloppy
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,061
    edited September 2016
    ^ Space Skulls II / Space Police IV - crossover!  Lego can start an interconnect universe...
    SprinkleOtter
  • Si_UKNZSi_UKNZ NZMember Posts: 4,179
    I think the next one would be a variation of space again, these come in cycles and anothers due. Personally I'd like something very mechanical and robotic, a universe based on the Exosuit set.

    Otherwise, an adventurey/ explorer theme would be great but these always seem to get sucked into licences as they lend themselves so well to it (persia, potc, Indiana etc). 
    ricecakebluemoosecatwranglerDontcopythatfloppy
  • Penkid11Penkid11 Member Posts: 789
    Chalk me up for someone who wants a space themed big bang series. Can you imagine getting a new space faction/alien species for three years straight (if not more)?
    catwranglerDontcopythatfloppy
  • Bricklover18Bricklover18 PA, USAMember Posts: 720
    I would love to see a historical theme, such as the romans or Egyptians.
    Legopassion8catwrangler
  • starwars4everstarwars4ever The Forest Moon of EndorMember Posts: 489
    When I first saw this thread I just quickly read the title and assumed it had something to do with the Big Bang ideas set. =)
    pharmjodeanair
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,061
    I would love to see a historical theme, such as the romans or Egyptians.
    I get the sense that such a theme will tread too close for the political correctness crowd.  (Should we be aggrandizing brutal cultures, etc.) 
    Bricklover18
  • MaffyDMaffyD West YorkshireMember Posts: 2,970
    I do hope you're not suggesting that the medieval times and pirate ships were havens of liberal tolerance?
    SprinkleOtterpharmjodDontcopythatfloppy
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,061
    MaffyD said:
    I do hope you're not suggesting that the medieval times and pirate ships were havens of liberal tolerance?
    Those are general, non-culture specific themes.  Our PC friends can point to specific instances that the Romans or Egyptians were cruel, racist, imperialist, intolerant, etc.
    MaffyDgmonkey76Dontcopythatfloppy
  • LyichirLyichir United StatesMember Posts: 929
    I would love to see a historical theme, such as the romans or Egyptians.
    As cool as that might be, I think there's a reason we haven't seen a theme like this. A lot of the notable structures that remain from those civilizations are domestic or ceremonial in nature. As such, they lack a lot of the kid appeal of medieval European castles and outposts that are natural settings for action play. Of course, the Romans and Egyptians did have military fortifications as well, but I feel that those are much less recognizable and appealing for kids than more traditional castles.

    With Nexo Knights presumably occupying the "Castle" slot for the next few years, perhaps the time is right for a Western revival. Westerns may not be as popular with kids as they used to be, but I think it's still far from impossible for a Western theme to succeed even if only for one wave like the latest Pirates theme.
    catwrangler
  • GeordiePaulGeordiePaul Glastonbury, CT, USAMember Posts: 599
    On the Roman theme, how about a Hadrian's Hall set? Good for history buffs and also fans of Game of Thrones! Plus, I'm biased being a Geordie and having this piece of history as part of my old neck of the woods. Or maybe the Arbeia fort from my home town of South Shields?
  • GoldchainsGoldchains Member Posts: 795
    Further extrapolating on a historical note, why not do a Vikings theme?  What kid wouldn't want a Viking longship or meadhall set with lots of warriors to fight each other?  
    Aanchir
  • MaffyDMaffyD West YorkshireMember Posts: 2,970
    ^ like @SumoLego said earlier, the whole 'raping and pillaging' thing might not work so well...
    gmonkey76SumoLegoSprinkleOtterGothamConstructionCoDontcopythatfloppy
  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,672
    As much as I would like a western theme I don't see it happening because of the same pc nonsense. Can't do civil war, Mexicans, or Native Americans. Yes the can be a one of CMF, but if they are the "bad guys" there will be a uproar. That just leaves robbers, and LEGO has that covered with the city police. I can't say for sure, but I don't know if a western theme would sell that well outside the USA.
    SumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,061
    edited September 2016
    ^ They could do a Space-Outlaws (Cowboys and Aliens) theme, and perhaps place them in the same universe as Ninjago and Nexo Knights, but I think Lego would likely avoid having so similarly cross-overed themes.

    Chima was really nothing like Ninjago, and it did pretty well.

    Maybe they can dust off Johnny Thunder and add in a time-travelling element - TimeCruisers 2020...

    (Good thought above - notice that the CMF 'Native American' figures are referred to as 'Tribal' - which is the most neutral term you can possibly use.)
    gmonkey76MaffyDSprinkleOtterDontcopythatfloppy
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,921
    I don't see where all this talk about "pc nonsense" is coming from. I've never once seen anybody complaining about the Vikings theme or any ancient historical theme being inappropriate for children. I have, however, seen scores of people complain about the Indiana Jones, The Simpsons, Disney Princess, The Big Bang Theory, The Lord of the Rings, and Star Wars brands containing inappropriate content, and surprise, surprise, LEGO went ahead and produced sets based on those anyhow!

    In general, I hear more people arguing against political correctness in LEGO than for it. Any set with "holiday" in the title results in an insane amount of wailing and moaning, never mind that LEGO uses both "Christmas" and "Holiday" in set names extensively. Any news about steps LEGO takes towards inclusivity is treated as PC nonsense, even if it's something like a wheelchair that genuinely never existed before in a form modern minifigures could use, or something like dark-skinned female minifigures which are still stupidly scarce even in licensed themes. I've even seen AFOLs whine about fantasy themes like Ninjago or Nexo Knights being too politically correct by daring to present one female character as an equally skilled fighter to her four or five male co-stars. It's quite ridiculous, honestly!

    Also, from what I've seen, the "How to Train Your Dragon" movies are immensely popular on Tumblr, a site whose culture I frequently see derided for being overly politically correct. Those movies, need I remind you, are about vikings. I don't see how sets about Vikings, Romans, or ancient Egyptians would be any more controversial than sets about medieval Europe.
    josekalelGoldchainscatwrangler
  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,672
    @Aanchir there was a case against Jabba's Palace because it looked like a Mosque.http://m.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/lego-jabbas-palace-racism_n_2993978.html Depending on who you believe it was either discontinued at the normal end of cycle or pulled early.
    Dontcopythatfloppy
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,916
    How to train your dragon would have been an epic theme for LEGO. Too bad.
  • sweetness34sweetness34 San Diego, CA.Member Posts: 339
    edited September 2016
    Further extrapolating on a historical note, why not do a Vikings theme?  What kid wouldn't want a Viking longship or meadhall set with lots of warriors to fight each other?  
    Vikings has been done by Lego already. A very nice fortress #7019 and a ship #7018

    as well as some nice catapults and dragons.

    http://brickset.com/sets?query=vikings
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,921
    edited September 2016
    gmonkey76 said:
    @Aanchir there was a case against Jabba's Palace because it looked like a Mosque.http://m.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/lego-jabbas-palace-racism_n_2993978.html Depending on who you believe it was either discontinued at the normal end of cycle or pulled early.
    I'm well aware of that controversy, but it seems silly to act as though that happening once means it's now the norm. Besides, I wouldn't blame that on "PC culture" running rampant, I'd blame it on people who didn't grow up with Star Wars but did grow up with mosques calling things as they saw them.

    The realities of globalization mean that it genuinely does matter how things will be perceived by people of different backgrounds. But that doesn't mean people whose backgrounds make certain things seem offensive are just looking for stuff to be offended about. Consider what an uproar there'd be if a minifigure of the Dutch Christmas character "Zwarte Piet" were released in the US. Or if a toy using swastikas in the original eastern spiritual sense were released in Germany. Even if the context might not have been considered offensive originally, releasing those in countries with a different history with those symbols changes the context.
    catwrangler
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,061
    Aanchir said:
    In general, I hear more people arguing against political correctness in LEGO than for it. Any set with "holiday" in the title results in an insane amount of wailing and moaning, never mind that LEGO uses both "Christmas" and "Holiday" in set names extensively. Any news about steps LEGO takes towards inclusivity is treated as PC nonsense, even if it's something like a wheelchair that genuinely never existed before in a form modern minifigures could use, or something like dark-skinned female minifigures which are still stupidly scarce even in licensed themes. I've even seen AFOLs whine about fantasy themes like Ninjago or Nexo Knights being too politically correct by daring to present one female character as an equally skilled fighter to her four or five male co-stars. It's quite ridiculous, honestly!
    I agree that the level of criticism associated with Lego that is correctly or incorrectly identified as 'PC' is usually irrational and unreasonable.

    Personally, I think it's ridiculous window dressing arm-waving that obfuscates genuine issues.

    However, Lego is an easy target.  Is there any reason to identify Native American figures as 'tribal'?  Is there any reason for Lego to end their decades long partnership with Shell?  Is there a reason why there are no military figures?  

    (And the obvious exceptions to some 'rules' noted by Lego - Indiana Jones Nazis, Deadpool, the non-branded DC sets that HAPPEN to have all of Suicide Squad characters, etc.)

    There is an obvious worry that it would negatively impact sales and the company's philosophy.  Whether reasonable or unreasonable, it is a reality that Lego tries very hard to manage.

    And then you have a window-licker reference hit the market, and you have vultures ready to pounce.

    I happen to think that the traditional Barbie Doll is just about the worst toy for young girls.  So Mattel does the best they can do to still serve the market, but also address critics.  And ounce of prevention is better than trying to spin out a PR nightmare.

    I'd rather take articles claiming that Lego is 'pandering' to girls - as they sell billions of dollars worth of sets to afforesaid girls - than having to end a longstanding partnership with a company that produces the raw material that my product is made from.
    Dontcopythatfloppy
  • willobee498willobee498 CanadalandMember Posts: 349
    Aanchir said:
    or something like dark-skinned female minifigures which are still stupidly scarce even in licensed themes.
    Since skin colour only exists in licensed themes, that's more to do with what is being licensed, rather than Lego.

    But I agree most of the PC nonsense being mentioned is just that - nonsense. A wild west theme can certainly return, just ss it existed, with "tribals," the cavarly, and a bunch of cowboys. So long as a set isn't about pushing a group of natives off of land or giving them diseased blankets, it will be just fine.
  • DedgeckoDedgecko Seattle, WAMember Posts: 800
    If TLG can get the HTTYD license for HTTYD 3, we'll get our Viking fix.  Otherwise I'm hoping for some Techno-Viking tie-in with Nexo Knights.

    I presume Jestro and the Lava Monsters are done for now?  Hopefully we move on to new areas of the Realm, water or swamp based.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,061
    By the way, I would love a Roman or Greek (antiquity) theme.  Greek Mythology would be fertile ground - Heroes, Monsters...

    I don't think it has mass appeal.  The Vikings sets were somewhat limited in their release.  And judging by sales, the demand didn't warrant a second run of the theme.
    catwrangler
  • DedgeckoDedgecko Seattle, WAMember Posts: 800
    SumoLego said:
    By the way, I would love a Roman or Greek (antiquity) theme.  Greek Mythology would be fertile ground - Heroes, Monsters...

    I don't think it has mass appeal.  The Vikings sets were somewhat limited in their release.  And judging by sales, the demand didn't warrant a second run of the theme.
    That was before how to train your dragon came out.  It's a different market now.  
  • brumeybrumey AustriaMember Posts: 1,002
    classic castle crusaders rehash
  • JudgeChuckJudgeChuck UKMember Posts: 1,432
    SumoLego said:
    By the way, I would love a Roman or Greek (antiquity) theme.  Greek Mythology would be fertile ground - Heroes, Monsters...

    I don't think it has mass appeal.  The Vikings sets were somewhat limited in their release.  And judging by sales, the demand didn't warrant a second run of the theme.
    From the entries in the Brickset DB, the Vikings sets were only on limited release in North America, which seems odd, given the European nature of the theme... Perhaps they'd have done better this side of the pond?
  • MaffyDMaffyD West YorkshireMember Posts: 2,970
    @Aanchir - don't get me wrong, I think a Viking, Wild West, or some other historical setting would make some great looking models. The problem is that these are real world scenarios. Wherever you encounter the real world, you risk alienating a potential customer, and where there is potential for conflict, you'll find the media begging for something to write about.

    I think Lego is playing it safe, and I don't blame them. Modern warfare ban aside, can you imagine the reaction to a Vietnam set?
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,645
    ^ They were released in Europe. Limited release in North America probably means that they were limited to certain places in America.
  • JudgeChuckJudgeChuck UKMember Posts: 1,432
    ^Ah, sorry, misunderstood... I missed them anyway, as was in DA... :-(
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,921
    edited September 2016
    Aanchir said:
    or something like dark-skinned female minifigures which are still stupidly scarce even in licensed themes.
    Since skin colour only exists in licensed themes, that's more to do with what is being licensed, rather than Lego.
    I'd like to believe that, but then the Avatar: The Last Airbender theme used the same Light Nougat skin tone for the dark-skinned Katara and Sokka as for the light-skinned Aang and Zuko. And the Pirates of the Caribbean theme, which has TWO black women as major characters (Anamaria and Tia Dalma), came and went without including any dark-skinned characters except zombies and cannibals.

    Obviously, there are probably reasons for both of those things, and I agree in most other cases it's more a Hollywood problem than a LEGO Group problem. But I think when people get excited about racial diversity in new licensed sets — or upset about a lack of it — it's worthwhile to at least listen instead of acting as though it shouldn't matter or is entirely out of the LEGO Group's hands.
    MaffyD said:
    @Aanchir - don't get me wrong, I think a Viking, Wild West, or some other historical setting would make some great looking models. The problem is that these are real world scenarios. Wherever you encounter the real world, you risk alienating a potential customer, and where there is potential for conflict, you'll find the media begging for something to write about.

    I think Lego is playing it safe, and I don't blame them. Modern warfare ban aside, can you imagine the reaction to a Vietnam set?
    I'm not saying that there aren't potential pitfalls, but I don't see any reason to think the risk of an outcry is great enough for the LEGO Group to want to avoid historical themes entirely — not when they've jumped head-first into so many other controversial themes in spite of a sizable and inevitable outcry.
    catwrangler
  • ArtfulDodgerArtfulDodger Member Posts: 106
    I'd like to see a great scientists of history minifigure line. Einstein, Madam Curie, Nikola Tesla, Newton, Galileo, etc. I'd also like a great wonders architecture line.
    brumeystluxcatwrangler
  • TkattTkatt MNMember Posts: 463
    I'd like a time travel theme. It should have just one type of time machine instead of a bunch of weird time vehicles, and the sets should be buildings or locations from just about any and every time period. The main characters could visit the past and future to... do stuff?. It would be a good way to get interesting builds from genres that wouldn't support a whole theme.   
    prevere
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    Aanchir said:
    And the Pirates of the Caribbean theme, which has TWO black women as major characters (Anamaria and Tia Dalma), came and went without including any dark-skinned characters except zombies and cannibals.
    I have a difficult time seeing Anamaria as a major character. She was in only one film, was essentially irrelevant to the plot, and was definitely less important than secondary characters such as a Pintel and Ragetti. The only potential set that could have realistically included her is the Interceptor, which didn't have much chance of becoming a set behind the more recognizable Black Pearl, Flying Dutchman, and Queen Anne's Revenge.

    While I think it would be generous to consider Tia Dalma a major character in the series as a whole, I am disappointed she wasn't included in any sets. That said, she could realistically be in only a couple sets; her shack in Dead Man's Chest, or the Black Pearl in At World's End. There were no action scenes in the shack, so that had no chance of becoming a set, and it makes more sense for the Black Pearl to be based on Dead Man's Chest so the more important Davy Jones could be included.

    Overall, I don't think it's really fair to criticize LEGO for the omission of either character when there were only four sets based on the first three films.
    dougtsgmonkey76Dontcopythatfloppy
  • ricecakericecake Maryland, USAMember Posts: 879
    Dedgecko said:
    Otherwise I'm hoping for some Techno-Viking tie-in with Nexo Knights.
    Techno Viking, you say?

    SumoLegoSeanTheCollectorBumblepantscatwranglerDontcopythatfloppyDedgecko
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,061
    ^ Does anyone else hear the club music?
    ricecake
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