2nd hand - good example of buyer beware

bahnstormerbahnstormer Member Posts: 180
edited January 2012 in Buying & Selling Topics
I thought about bidding on this a while back but sounded too good to be true and has now proved to be as the buyer has left a neg.


listing ID from a well known auction site- 270885541348


For those that dont speak German, The seller states that this auction contains instructions, boxes or parts to build 10179, 10030, amongst others. I assume that the reason it went so high was the buyers who wanted it didnt use their eyes and notice that there were no instructions or boxes included for those sets but plenty of light grey parts...

whilst the listing itself looks like it has been cleverly written in such a way as to deceive, from a legal standpoint the seller would more than likely win if a case went to court.

If you flick thru the sellers FB it appears there is a history of negatives with Lego sales. it is also a little strange in that the seller waits a year or so from a batch of negs to start reselling. This conveniently would coincide
with the annual FB reset to 100%...

listing ID - 270885541348

If it looks to good to be true it usually is - do your research!!


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Moved to Buying and Selling by YC 1/20/12

Comments

  • MinifigsMeMinifigsMe Member Posts: 2,844
    Hmm, I'm not an expert, but the pictures do show what instructions are included, and he does say there might not be all the pieces. I think he's been honest about what's there isn't he? It has gone very high, and clearly he could be swizzing people, but if it's 70kg that's his complete collection probably and I suspect a lot is there.

    using google translate: The largest proportion of the collection consists of

    Star Wars

    OVP and the blueprints are in very good condition!

    We no longer have all manuals and boxes (empty) but what I have I am enclosing.

    The Lego is played by me and my sons, that is needed. Now you are "too old" ...

    Below are sets of building instructions, box, or stones are:

    Star Wars:
    10179, 10030, 10019, 10 129, 10143, 10018,
    7181, 4483, 4504, 10221, 8039, 8037, 8083,
    8084, 8097, 7879, 8095, 7869, 7964, 7962,
    10 175, 7152, 10 198, 7181, 10178, 10144, 6211,
    7676, 10134, 6210, 10144, 7675, 7190, 8087,
    7194, 7191, 7662, 4483, 8098, 8089, 8083, 7914,
    7913, 7956, 7930, 8128, 7255, 4502, 7153, 10 212,
    7957, 7877, 7956, 7956, 7931, 4482, 10 195,
    4501, 10131, 7264, 7829, 7959, 7961st ...

    can then be picked up in Schwerin, or do I send to fastest way!

    No guarantee of completeness of sets. With such a large mass I can not check.

    I wish a lot of fun bidding!


    Ebay I guess you pay the shipping, the merchandise will be shipped after payment (Cash on collection by prior arrangement is of course also possible).

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  • MinifigsMeMinifigsMe Member Posts: 2,844
    edited January 2012
    But whilst we're on curious ebay listings, what do people make of this? He's listed the same bulk lot 3 times now, including a picture of 29 instructions, all listed as being included, and 10kg of lego (picture of parts). But the same bulk lot has been sold twice (and feedback left for one) and now listed again. he's also used the mixed lego parts pic for loads of his other listings.
    I'm an idiot and didn't check out his feedback before hand and bought one of them, but it's yet to arrive. I've mailed him and asked what's going on, but had no reply. I'm curious to see what turns up...
    He clearly says you get what you see in the pic, so if it doesn't come through, I'll be on to paypal! I'm not expecting complete sets, but I try and go for bulk buys that look like someone's complete collection, so there's a chance most parts are there (and the pic shows interesting parts either way). He only lists one at a time, so if you just check his other listings it's like it's a one off...

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320826540979?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320812079511

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MASSIVE-10KG-VINTAGE-LEGO-29-x-INSTRUCTIONS-8-ROAD-MIXED-BULK-THOUSANDS-PIECES-/320830839391?pt=UK_Construction_Toys_Kits&hash=item4ab3021a5f

    The above 3 are identical. The one below is different instructions but same lego pic...
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MASSIVE-10KG-VINTAGE-LEGO-29-x-INSTRUCTIONS-8-ROAD-MIXED-BULK-THOUSANDS-PIECES-/320830839391?pt=UK_Construction_Toys_Kits&hash=item4ab3021a5f
  • bahnstormerbahnstormer Member Posts: 180
    edited January 2012
    sav the difference is around 2k in value - 10179 and 10030 in there then a good deal, I didnt see any evidence from the pics they were .

    The idea to avoid hassle is not to name the auction site in posts whilst questioning the reliability of some of their members ;-)

  • MinifigsMeMinifigsMe Member Posts: 2,844
    Like I said, I'm not an expert on star wars, so agree with you then!

    As for mine, I'm not saying he's done anything wrong, just curious to what's going on. Perhaps he had 3 kids and got them all identical lego...
  • Si_UKNZSi_UKNZ NZMember Posts: 4,179
    At first glance you could say that hes just being lazy and using the same picture for each 10kg lot. If this were the case you could look for pieces which are in the photo, go through what you recieve, and if theyre not there, then its not as described. Make sure you save a copy of the picture - print screen if you need to.

    However, the fact that all the listings say 29 instructions is suspicious.

    Also, the username is fishy - weird I know, but why would someone call themselves "1hasmovedon"

    I think you should report it as suspicious to ebay ASAP, otherwise just wait. If theyre ignoring emails, you could log it as not recieved to get in there early.

  • andheandhe UKMember Posts: 2,752
    Hmm that is peculiar. One of the identical lots has given positive feedback though. Have you emailed him to ask what's up? He might be able to explain his 3 childrens' identical collections. Or at least you'll have a paper-trail for any possible ebay claim.
  • Si_UKNZSi_UKNZ NZMember Posts: 4,179
    actually the feedback looks genuine, including the feedback for 3 similar items, so maybe he is just being lazy and has tons of instructions and bricks, and sells them in repeat lots, with each lot set up to look like a complete collection sell off.

    I'd give it 7-10 days then start pushing hard if its not arrived.
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    From the listing I can't see any link between the instructions and actual lego though. He's just listing a load of instruction numbers and providing a mass of lego.

    It is odd though that the same sale has been made a number of times.
  • MinifigsMeMinifigsMe Member Posts: 2,844
    He emailed initially to get my number for the courier, so I assume something is on the way, but no reply to my two messages. The first was to say you've listed the same lot again, I think you've made a mistake, then the second was to say "hang on a minute, this is the third time you've sold the same lego..."
    The instructions listed do match the picture of instructions, like I say, it's all very curious, and he may not have done anything wrong instructions wise. And certainly there's no evidence of monorail parts in the lego picture, even though the instructions for it are included. But I thought I'd take a gamble as all the castle and bridge parts looked interesting enough anyway...
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