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  • jediami65jediami65 United StatesMember Posts: 474
    flord said:
    A nice and thorough review @CapnRex101. Thank you for summarizing all the issues with this one. I hope TLG designers read it and take it to heart.
    Totally agree.
  • jediami65jediami65 United StatesMember Posts: 474
    Is the 2 x VIP points making you think twice about buying this set now?
  • BACbrixBACbrix AmericaMember Posts: 655
    Ewok Village was more UCS than AoH
  • MissKittyFantasticoMissKittyFantastico AustraliaMember Posts: 197
    This is out of nowhere, but browsing random images of the ion cannon (I'm contemplating making one of my own, just out of spite), I found this - an old Kenner Hoth playset scaled for metal figurines, with one of those daft little lookout turrets.  And the power generator set in that range had three sails, not four, and another set was a teensy little 'wampa cave' that was basically just the one ice arch for Luke to hang from.  So is this thing actually the UCS Kenner Hoth Playset or what?
    Bumblepants
  • LegoAerologistLegoAerologist Mid Ameica USAMember Posts: 25

     I think I have the outer wing assembly  and parts for the snow speeder from 8089-1Hoth Wampa Cave (2010).The set is missing the  clear cockpit  parts and the Mini figures.

    Has anyone posted  assembly prints? 

  • flordflord CanadaMember Posts: 797
    Go to the Lego website. Scroll to the bottom. Click on Building Instructions under Customer Service. Enter the set # and there you are.
  • MrJ_NYMrJ_NY A flick missle away from Brickagara FallsMember Posts: 592
    edited May 2016
    @LegoAerologist @flord The instructions for set 8089 are no longer available at legoDOTcom
    Here is the link - http://cache.lego.com/bigdownloads/buildinginstructions/4597662.pdf
  • flordflord CanadaMember Posts: 797
    edited May 2016
    Why would that be? Weird. Sorry. I thought it would be for sure.

    Edit: Scratch that. I found it. It is on there:

    https://wwwsecure.us.lego.com/en-us/service/buildinginstructions/search#?search&text=8089%20Hoth%20Wampa%20Cave%E2%84%A2%20Star%20Wars%20TM
    MrJ_NY
  • bobabricksbobabricks Vancouver, BC, CanadaMember Posts: 1,842
    I don't know why everybody has been bashing on this set, it's a great clothes rack! The size of the box allows your clothes to cover almost the entire box art so that your not reminded that you own it. :D



    chrisalddinGoldchainsgmonkey76CM4S
  • monkey_roomonkey_roo Member Posts: 1,411
    All built now. I will be combining this with my other Hoth sets this week.

    MrJ_NYchrisalddinCurvedRoadPlateTXLegoguy
  • chrisalddinchrisalddin UKMember Posts: 3,026
    All built now. I will be combining this with my other Hoth sets this week.

    some how you make it look better then every other image i seen of it.
    and i still hate it.
    it just this is the best shot i seen in the best light sofar.
    however i wish to see how this will fit in with your other set's
  • bandit778bandit778 Docking Bay 94. Member Posts: 2,347
    3 reviews on [email protected] UK website at the moment. Two 1 star reviews and even the customer who liked it only gave it 3 out of 5 for value.
  • monkey_roomonkey_roo Member Posts: 1,411
    Sadly my shelf is just too small so the end result is a mess. If I spent some time re-jigging the models then I think all three of the big sets can be fixed together in a smaller space.

    catwrangler
  • chrisalddinchrisalddin UKMember Posts: 3,026
    Sadly my shelf is just too small so the end result is a mess. If I spent some time re-jigging the models then I think all three of the big sets can be fixed together in a smaller space.


    that look's better.
    down side, the cost of all that is what? £800? £1000? at RRP.
    now with 75% of it no longer stocked by lego.com. to buy it all now. it would be about £2000 on a good day.
  • LobotLobot UKMember Posts: 1,018

    LEGO has increased the limit to 2 for it on the UK website.....

    I'm surprised that they held out for 4 days, especially considering the 3 reviews that have been posted so far!!  It will be interesting to see if they respond to negative comments, as they have done previously with other sets.  The value for money score is currently 1.7 which is quite damning! 

    I'd really love to know how many have been sold worldwide; especially compared to anticipated profile.  I'm looking forward to buying a couple of these at a 20%+ discount and then making something half-decent from the parts.

    bandit778catwrangler
  • bandit778bandit778 Docking Bay 94. Member Posts: 2,347
    Lobot said:
    I'm looking forward to buying a couple of these at a 20%+ discount and then making something half-decent from the parts.
    This comment sums up why this shouldn't have been a UCS set. You should not have to add anything to it to make it an iconic display piece.
    Ewok Village may be a play set, but it's a nice build and you can put it on a shelf and it looks good, the Sandcrawler is the same. Even the smaller PT sets like #10026 & #10215 may not be every Star Wars fans cup of tea, but they look good on display.
    It I a shame because if this was released as separate sets with more of a selection of minifigs spread over the sets to make up your own diorama, I would have brought them, as I actually quite like the idea, just not the execution.
    catwrangler
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 10,570
    Wow, Maybe it is just me, but seeing it built makes me think it really is not worth 249.99 USD.
    Bumblepantsbandit778CircleKmonstblitz
  • TwoToneBricksTwoToneBricks KCMember Posts: 37
    The worst part is this thing will probably never go on sale. Its Star Wars for petes sake. I can see the bat cave taking a markdown, but not this. Even the box makes it look underwhelming for some reason, maybe cause it's all zoomed in and the snow makes it look cheap. 
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFW/BGMember Posts: 7,358
    I don't even see it being worthwhile for parts even if you do manage to get a discount. Nothing here you couldn't get on Bricklink/owl easily and cheaper. 
    bandit778
  • monkey_roomonkey_roo Member Posts: 1,411

    I agree on the parts front, there really are no parts of any value or voulume to build anything other than the set itself. If you want to build a big Hoth base i would download the PDF instructions to see how Lego have layered up the walls etc. as a guide and then just order a load of white slopes and plates from [email protected] or Brickowl/Bricklink.

    Although my display is a mess it was interesting to see just how much bigger (and better) the new door is compaired to the 2007 version, they are completely different. I might try a new layout later tonight, i am sure there is a way the Echo Base will fit inside the new door footprint giving more space on the shelf to the attacking Snowtroopers.

    bandit778
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    OK then people, If Lego knocked off £10 a day, at what price point would you buy in on this set?  Don't just be flippant and say never, actually think about it - the buyer determines the price after all ;).
    For me, somewhere around £160 It'd make it onto my 'to get at some point' list and around £140 I would buy it there and then.  Thoughts?
  • bandit778bandit778 Docking Bay 94. Member Posts: 2,347
    edited May 2016
    Probably Between £130 - £160 would be my Definitely - Maybe purchase prices, preferably at the £130 end of the scale obviously, but if it was at the £160 end with a good promotion (Rare minifig, double points or free AT-AT) I would probably pull the trigger.
  • CircleKCircleK U.S. - Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 1,055
    edited May 2016
    MattsWhat said:
    OK then people, If Lego knocked off £10 a day, at what price point would you buy in on this set?  Don't just be flippant and say never, actually think about it - the buyer determines the price after all ;).
    For me, somewhere around £160 It'd make it onto my 'to get at some point' list and around £140 I would buy it there and then.  Thoughts?

    I've thought about this.  I don't collect much Star Wars, but who doesn't love Hoth battle scenes?!  I was really looking forward to this set and wanted to love it.  I still find myself wanting to love it, probably so I can justify the purchase of a lackluster set with an inflated price.

    I'm not taking part count, UCS badge, license, or anything else into consideration here. My opinion is based solely on what the final product feels like to me in terms of value. IMO, it's a $180 dollar set.

  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,331
    If it was priced inline with Ewok Village at £199 I'd probably get it when combined with a good discount/freebie.
  • monkey_roomonkey_roo Member Posts: 1,411
    I think £170 is about right, there are a fair few figures, all of which are excellent quality, the Wampa and Taun Taun are perfect. As individual parts the Snowspeeder and trench are excellent, the front doors are very good, if a little unfinished on the inside. I think the ion cannon is actually good, it is more substantial in the hand than it looks and I struggle to see how it could be improved. After that it is a bit down hill, the Wampa cave and two base sections are poor and the generator is missing 25%

    overall, as a £170 system set with no UCS branding I think this would fly off the shelves.
    bandit778
  • oldtodd33oldtodd33 Denver 4800 miles to BillundMember Posts: 2,640
    Looking at the built pictures of it I would be willing to pay $150.00. 
    madforLEGOwaynegg
  • chrisalddinchrisalddin UKMember Posts: 3,026
    in £ and if i had the money?
    £169.99 would make me think about it. and a 15% to 20% off that price i would go for it. again with me , if i had the money.
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,099
    I did some number crunching based on previous Hoth sets and what would make the best "all-in-one" solution.  This is based on original USD RRP.  Here's what I came up with:  

    1) 75014-1: Battle of Hoth  $50
    2) 7879-1 Hoth Echo Base  $90
    3) 75054 AT-AT                 $110

    If you add up the total above sets you get $250, same as Assault on Hoth.  I omitted the Wampa Cave because most of us agree that it doesn't really need to be included.  You also come up with 2335 total pieces.  A few more than the "UCS" version but still doable at the same price point of $250.  I think with some re-modeling of the Echo Base, most people would be happy with this kind of set if it were released.  Minus the UCS branding, of course.




  • MrJ_NYMrJ_NY A flick missle away from Brickagara FallsMember Posts: 592
    Jang has posted a 2nd video on 75098 - Folks Hate Lego's UCS Hoth Set-Why?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8uj_CnQEV8

  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,825
    All built now. I will be combining this with my other Hoth sets this week.

    The first set in LEGO history worth more open than sealed.
    CapnRex101SumoLego[Deleted User]LobotGothamConstructionCobobabricksGoldchains
  • Steve_J_OMSteve_J_OM IrelandMember Posts: 990
    I thought there was a chance my impression would change once I saw it in the ABS, but it really hasn't. I still have a hard time processing the price tag. 

    I appreciate that this isn't the case for everyone, but much of the set is either redundant or nonessential for me. Trenches? Have plenty from smaller Hoth sets. Snowspeeders? Ditto. Wampa cave? Have. Minifigures? Have plenty of rebels and snowtroopers, the exclusivity of these isn't enough of a pull for me. The blast doors are more substantial than those in 7666, granted, but not by the margin of the price tag.

    Then you get to the unique components: the shield generator and ion cannon. Even if you swallow the price tag for the sake of these components, they're flawed and need fixing themselves. I'll likely BL these some day, but not until I can figure out (or someone else does it for me!) how to add a fourth element (disk?) to the generator and how to fix the mess that is the back of the cannon.

    I really hope that if the set crashes in terms of sales (and based on some anecdotal evidence, this might be 'when' rather than 'if') that TLG doesn't shy away from doing Hoth forever more, but that a healthier lesson is learned that they can't release something that is objectively under par, put a UCS label on it, and charge exorbitant money for it. 
    LobotTheBigLegoskiBumblepantscatwranglerbandit778madforLEGOMattsWhat
  • xwingpilotxwingpilot UKMember Posts: 799
    Let's hope that the fallout from this set causes TLG to start managing the UCS sub-theme properly. Either that or they scrap it completely and UCS-style sets are still produced but sold on merit (by the criteria many of us wish UCS stood for).

    UCS is such a great concept I have a hard time understanding how TLG could introduce it and then be so inconsistent in implementing it.
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  • monkey_roomonkey_roo Member Posts: 1,411
    Yeah, I think a lot is now riding on the Death Star due at the back end of the year.

    will that just be an update? Is it basically the same as the old one but with new figures? Is it a total redesign? Will it be similar to the Hoth set and actually be elements of other Death Star based sets we have seen over the years?

    i think another miss will do real damage to the UCS brand, which could come in for criticism for being worn out, or lazy or present a view that as long as it is Star Wars and UCS people will just buy it anyway (says the guy who has bought the Assult on Hoth set).

    one the other hand the Death Star could be fantastic, a total redesign of the old one with more detail, more locations? and updated figures, then followed up by the best looking UCS Snowspeeder and the Assult on Hoth set becomes nothing more than a blip on the UCS radar...  
  • A.BrickovskyA.Brickovsky PolandMember Posts: 56
    It still looks like April Fool's to me, built or not built. But the question of the price is interesting. As I have no special interest in SW whatsoever, and additionally the set alone is awful, the price per brick would have to be at least the same as Creator sets on discount. Even lower, because Creator sets are usually nice and this one isn't. So, for me it's around 430 PLN = 100 € = 75 £ = 110 $. 
    Of course, no reselling value in that. Just bricks, for other use. 
  • high5debrahigh5debra DetroitMember Posts: 16
    There's a modified version of this set that was released yesterday.  It's called "Assault on Hoth: Only The Good Parts Edition" set.  It comes with A Wampa, a Tauntaun, K-3PO, R3-A2, 3* Snowtroopers, (3/4 of) The Shield Generator, and 2 white Macrobinoculars.  And it only costs $149.99, so it's kind of a steal.  

    *I know, weird that it comes with more than the original set......



  • bobabricksbobabricks Vancouver, BC, CanadaMember Posts: 1,842
    I just remembered about these deleted scenes and thought maybe the Wampa cave stuck on the side of the base wasn't all the inaccurate. Although a breaking wall probably would have made it a lot better. ;)




    wardmMrJ_NY
  • wardmwardm BelgiumMember Posts: 856
    @bobabricks but now they forgot about the breaking wall function.....
    bobabricks
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 10,570

    Yeah, I think a lot is now riding on the Death Star due at the back end of the year.

    will that just be an update? Is it basically the same as the old one but with new figures? Is it a total redesign? Will it be similar to the Hoth set and actually be elements of other Death Star based sets we have seen over the years?

    i think another miss will do real damage to the UCS brand, which could come in for criticism for being worn out, or lazy or present a view that as long as it is Star Wars and UCS people will just buy it anyway (says the guy who has bought the Assult on Hoth set).

    one the other hand the Death Star could be fantastic, a total redesign of the old one with more detail, more locations? and updated figures, then followed up by the best looking UCS Snowspeeder and the Assult on Hoth set becomes nothing more than a blip on the UCS radar...  
    After seeing the Death Star being finished in the Rogue one trailer I'm starting to think more and more this is a model built off of that movie,and not Epi 4. I also think it will be a scale model (akin to the SSD), and not a 'playset'. If so, it means it will unlikely have the same build as #10188, but that is just my theory.

  • bandit778bandit778 Docking Bay 94. Member Posts: 2,347
    @madforLEGO
    I am completely the opposite, I'm leaning more towards a #10188 remake, still incorporating R1, but covering that, as well as episode 4. My only reason for this is that more and more of these type of sets are play feature orientated and I think with some improvised/modern building techniques there will be room for old and new to be accounted for. 
    Although I must admit this is also more of a wish list item as I have a version of #10143
    :)
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,156

    bandit778 said:
    @madforLEGO
    I am completely the opposite, I'm leaning more towards a #10188 remake, still incorporating R1, but covering that, as well as episode 4. My only reason for this is that more and more of these type of sets are play feature orientated and I think with some improvised/modern building techniques there will be room for old and new to be accounted for. 
    Although I must admit this is also more of a wish list item as I have a version of #10143
    :)
    Will Disney's input push the play aspect hard from now on, hence the UCS branding of Assault on Hoth? I'd like to see something along the lines of a 10143, but I don't think that's going to happen.

    If they go in a #10188 direction, we'd have to wait for the film to see if there are any areas of the death star interior featured that differ from EpIV/VI to feature - hangars and Vsomething along the lines of Vader's Force choke conference room will be almost a cert to feature in the film.
  • wardmwardm BelgiumMember Posts: 856
    Just bought the Sandcrawler for only 10 euros more than the assault on Hoth set (May 4th promo + some VIP points...) The Hoth set really looks way overpriced if you compare it to the sandcrawler imo...
    catwrangler
  • ryjayryjay Member Posts: 1,001
    On the US [email protected] this 75098 Hoth set is the lowest rated set of all the Star Wars Sets.  No other set comes close to it's low ranking.  The only Star Wars item that do are a few magnets, Yoda and Darth Vader
    BumblepantsmadforLEGOgmonkey76
  • spepperspepper Davie, FLMember Posts: 157
    mathew said:
    2) 7879-1 Hoth Echo Base  $90
    #7879 is selling for more than double MRSP in eBay at the moment. I wonder why... :)
  • CircleKCircleK U.S. - Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 1,055
    edited May 2016
    spepper said:
    mathew said:
    2) 7879-1 Hoth Echo Base  $90
    #7879 is selling for more than double MRSP in eBay at the moment. I wonder why... :)

    I've noticed this as well. Although I honestly don't know what this set was going for before people starting buying it up to to mod the Insult on Hoth. I think the two sets pair really well together and #7879 does a lot to "complete" the echo base, but my god... The fact you have to throw another two hundred dollars at a UCS set just to make it feel more complete speaks volumes doesn't it?  The set really only helps round out the base as well.  The "Assault" part is still pretty much missing.

    I was really excited for this one, but I just can't... 
  • spepperspepper Davie, FLMember Posts: 157
    CircleK said:
    I've noticed this as well. Although I honestly don't know what this set was going for before people starting buying it up to to mod the Insult on Hoth.
    I was keeping an eye on it for the last couple weeks, and it started around 120-130, but quickly went up to nearly 190 after all the roaring Assault on Hoth reviews. 
  • xwingpilotxwingpilot UKMember Posts: 799
    At least the release of this set silenced all the arguments about what constitutes a UCS set.

    Of course that might just be because everyone who previously had an opinion is too busy ripping up posters and dismantling stands with plaques (or selling their entire collection on eBay)...
    JudgeChuckBumblepants
  • CircleKCircleK U.S. - Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 1,055
    It's funny though... I kind of feel sorry when I look at it. It's like seeing a wounded animal or something - I just want to scoop it up and nurse it back to health by buying it and throwing an additional thousand dollars worth of bricks and AT-ATs at it...

    I can save it.  You're going to be just fine, little buddy.
    bandit778catwranglerGoldchainsMrJ_NYBumblepants
  • monkey_roomonkey_roo Member Posts: 1,411
    I love that #7879 is now skyrocketing on the after market. When that set came out it was universally panned, I recall people calling half a base, full of nonsense stuff and oddly, only two snow troopers. Either way, it was not well received and is now doing very well for itself, I wonder how well Assult on Hoth will be doing several years after its retirement.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    ^If you believe packaging is the deciding factor on what is UCS, then it would be problematic. But I've never subscribed to this view, since it would exclude:
    #10240 Red Five X-wing
    #10225 R2-D2
    #10227 B-wing
    #10221 SSD
    #10212 Imperial Shuttle
    #10215 Obi's Starfighter
    #10186 Grievous
    #10175 Vader's TIE
    #10143 Death Star II
    #10134 Y-wing
    #10129 Snowspeeder
    #10018 Darth Maul

    So how can the packaging or UCS seal on the box be the deciding factor?

    And don't even get me started on that ill conceived 'Ultimates' poster that is glaringly wrong.

    But the 'Plaque' rule is still valid for what constitutes a UCS set in my own opinion, which makes only the Sandcrawler an exception on the list since missing it's plaque. Everything that is widely held by the majority to be UCS has a plaque otherwise.
    SumoLegoLegoboy
  • LobotLobot UKMember Posts: 1,018
    I love that #7879 is now skyrocketing on the after market. When that set came out it was universally panned, I recall people calling half a base, full of nonsense stuff and oddly, only two snow troopers. Either way, it was not well received and is now doing very well for itself, I wonder how well Assult on Hoth will be doing several years after its retirement.

    Fair point, although it wasn't ever sold as anything other than a playset.  In addition, it had a RRP of only £91.99 and included a decent array of key minifigures.  In my opinion, 7879 was a bit of a mess; the random flick-fire missiles and radar dishes didn't do it any favours, but it was decent value for money when it was on sale at TRU.

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