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Info on new UCS sets

Werewolf_pooWerewolf_poo Member Posts: 71
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(I couldn't really see any other thread on anything recent to post this to so forgive me if you see this as clutter.)

Anyway as I am real excited about the rumoured new UCS sets coming up. It got me thinking About when will they be unveiled? I'm talking of course about #75159 and #75144. Not that silly attack on hoth play set thingy.

I noticed they are both listed on bricklink as 2016 sets but there has been no details of either set provided yet and we are in March.
Is the 2016 release listing maybe more of a guess than an actual fact? Plus there's the fact that there is already two bonified SW UCS sets available to buy at the mo which have both been out for just over and just under a year (plus the UCS play set sandcrawler). This would mean 6 SW UCS sets available all at the same time (well at least 5 if the sandcrawler survives this year) surely that would be a first? Or am I missing something, as this seems fairly unlikely from my past experience of collecting Lego. 

Also what is the usual time scales between leaked "accidentally on purpose" set numbers/details, to the unveiling of box art etc, to actual release?
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  • fourstudfourstud Member Posts: 1,370
    They're facts. We wouldn't hear about 2017 stuff until around August.

    They're coming out. Guaranteed. Sometime this year.
    Official reveals are usually a month or 2 before release? I think? Other than that the usual insiders post stuff months before.
    Werewolf_pookiki180703
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,526
    It wouldn't surprise me if at least one of them is a playset.
    bobabricks
  • Werewolf_pooWerewolf_poo Member Posts: 71
    if they make another play set Death Star that would be extremely disappointing. I'm assuming the snow speeder will be a proper model.  I'm hoping for a reveal by the May the fourth event.
  • playwellplaywell Member Posts: 2,309
    Don't forget we did know about the hoth set this time last year and I wound not be surprised if the death star was held back till next year.
  • fourstudfourstud Member Posts: 1,370
    SMC said:
    Don't forget we did know about the hoth set this time last year and I wound not be surprised if the death star was held back till next year.
    I think that's because it was supposed to be released in October but was held back for whatever reason.
  • DedgeckoDedgecko Member Posts: 798
    CM4S said:
    SMC said:
    Don't forget we did know about the hoth set this time last year and I wound not be surprised if the death star was held back till next year.
    I think that's because it was supposed to be released in October but was held back for whatever reason.
    Perhaps to ensure the TFA sets sold through.  Or perhaps because they knew Hoth was a dud, and didn't want it to take up space on the shelves next to TFA sets.
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,634
    ^I doubt they think it is a dud, even if many of us do. It will probably sell quite well.
    madforLEGOkiki180703
  • bandit778bandit778 Member Posts: 2,380
    I think that the new Death Star will be an updated version of #10188, being more of a play set but possibly making the OT scenes as removable vignettes so it may be possible to replace them with scenes from from the new stand alone movie (depending on how it does of course).
    That way it covers the old, but allows scenes to be produced that may or may not be in the new film to be added without the production of a large set that may not sell off the back of the film alone.
  • Werewolf_pooWerewolf_poo Member Posts: 71
    Hmm less excited about Death Star now. Was hoping it would be a model. Probably still buy it if the outside was a model and inside was a play set a bit like the ghostbusters fire hq
  • Jackad7Jackad7 Member Posts: 555
    Whyy cant we have some episode three ships ;(
    SumoLego
  • EvilTwinEvilTwin Member Posts: 135
    All Lego sets are "play sets"
    Otherwise you're doing it wrong :)
    Jackad7tallblocktoomatticus_bricksStyer
  • dougtsdougts Member Posts: 4,110
    EvilTwin said:
    All Lego sets are "play sets"
    Otherwise you're doing it wrong :)
    Not entirely true.  Sets as display/artwork around the home is another "right" way to do LEGO
    jadeireneTheLoneTensor
  • Jackad7Jackad7 Member Posts: 555
    As long as it's not in the box. It's like having a porsche and never driving it or even taking it out of you're garage for people to see.
  • bandit778bandit778 Member Posts: 2,380
    @EvilTwin .
    While the idea of building sets might be classed as play, #10030 & #10143 are most definitely not "play sets" . And after building #10221 , apart from the bridge to stand the figures , you would need to be fairly strong to swoosh it anywhere (same with #10179 and #10212). These sets are huge and primarily display pieces once built and a lot of UCS collectors would like this to continue with future UCS releases hence the animosity towards the Hoth play set ane why there are so many discussions / arguments about what should classed as a UCS set in the first place. 
    dougts
  • VortexVortex Member Posts: 342
    edited March 2016
    I am so very excited in anticipation of a 10143 type  of Death Star . I will be disappointed with another play set. For me one DS is already serving that purpose. 

    I hope the powers that be at TLG recognise that there needs to be a balance with the treatment of the UCS Tag. You can't make everyone happy with every set but there may be a need for more decisiveness on the matter of PLAY OR DISPLAY .

    For example , I love the SSD, though I fail to understand the pains and bricks used to in accommodating that compartment . It's an unsure approach for a model screaming display Period ! 

    I imagine that effort and bricks / budget would have suited better used for the underbody or even extending it 5 inches forward and a couple sideways . I have tried that with mine and I like it better. 

    I mean you lads know better than any, every inch Does counts.... When talking display   ;)
    BrickDancerWerewolf_poomadforLEGO
  • Kevin_HyattKevin_Hyatt Member Posts: 778
    Isn't the new Snow Speeder UCS going to be the one from TFA and not ESB?
    Need a First Order UCS set!
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,634
    Playset or not, the new Death Star will absolutely have minifigures and probably at least a couple highly desirable new/exclusive designs. That is what drives sales these days. I predict Zukuss or however you spell his name will at long last make an appearance.
  • bandit778bandit778 Member Posts: 2,380
    ^ while I agree that it will have minifigs, and possibly exclusive ones at that, being a complete nerd when it comes to SW, I doubt that the much anticipated Zuckuss minifig or 4-LOM for that matter will appear in the new Death Star set because they were only ever seen on the bridge of the Executor and Lego missed a bit of a trick with that one with leaving them out of #10221. Even worse now that the EU has become Legends there seems less chance of getting any of these figs as most have had their stories told in the EU but the histories have been wiped by Mr Disney.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Member Posts: 3,639
    ^Not all EU characters were wiped out by Disney's Order 66. Lucas was granted a short list (12-16) characters of his choosing that will survive into canon. All I know of on the list is Revan and Starkiller (Malek) were saved while Mara Jade was omitted.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    EvilTwin said:
    All Lego sets are "play sets"
    Otherwise you're doing it wrong :)
    I get your sentiment, but I label a set as a "playset" once it's built.  For example, the SSD is not what I'd consider a playset, whereas the Death Star clearly is.
    madforLEGOkiki180703
  • EmbowEmbow Member Posts: 9
    edited March 2016
    BrickDancer said:
    ^Not all EU characters were wiped out by Disney's Order 66. Lucas was granted a short list (12-16) characters of his choosing that will survive into canon. All I know of on the list is Revan and Starkiller (Malek) were saved while Mara Jade was omitted.
    Wait, where did you hear this at? I haven't seen anything about this bit of info. (I also see nothing about this on wookiepedia).
  • xwingpilotxwingpilot Member Posts: 799
    Kevin_Hyatt said:
    Isn't the new Snow Speeder UCS going to be the one from TFA and not ESB?
    Need a First Order UCS set!
    I really hope not!
    Kevin_HyattMaffyDSumoLegokiki180703
  • Kevin_HyattKevin_Hyatt Member Posts: 778
    Embow said:
    BrickDancer said:
    ^Not all EU characters were wiped out by Disney's Order 66. Lucas was granted a short list (12-16) characters of his choosing that will survive into canon. All I know of on the list is Revan and Starkiller (Malek) were saved while Mara Jade was omitted.
    Wait, where did you hear this at? I haven't seen anything about this bit of info. (I also see nothing about this on wookiepedia).
    Sounds like one of those things you'd hear from that kid in the playground when you were in school. You know the one whose 'uncle works for star wars'!
    MrJ_NYkiki180703
  • msandersmsanders Member Posts: 1,017
    I like play sets. I'm not bothered about the UCS label going on play sets. It's called ultimate collectors not ultimate display series. They are labelled collectors items, although it's weird how the label is used, I agree. Ewok village for me is a UCS set, but it's not labelled as such - very strange. It's kinda a label to say - this is going to cost a lot. Ultimate cost series!!! Or may be unlimited cost series....!
    Dtrimpi87matticus_brickskiki180703
  • Werewolf_pooWerewolf_poo Member Posts: 71
    msanders said:
    I like play sets. I'm not bothered about the UCS label going on play sets. It's called ultimate collectors not ultimate display series. They are labelled collectors items, although it's weird how the label is used, I agree. Ewok village for me is a UCS set, but it's not labelled as such - very strange. It's kinda a label to say - this is going to cost a lot. Ultimate cost series!!! Or may be unlimited cost series....!

    Well speaking as an afol who got back into Lego because of the great display able UCS sets I seen 6 years ago. I would have to say that I am bothered. For instance, The ewok village is cool and all but it would be probably broken up and stored if I were to buy it.

    Most of the Lego I buy is for display purposes really. When my girlfriend bought me the Simpsons house I loved it but then quickly realised there were so many pieces that were just loose that had no real place to go. Inside the house was even worse, I hate that Lego don't make things like chairs apart of the model. 
  • Lego_the_HuttLego_the_Hutt Member Posts: 10
    msanders said:
    Ewok village for me is a UCS set, but it's not labelled as such - very strange. 
    Why do you think Ewok village isn't labeled as a UCS set?
    Werewolf_pookiki180703MooreFX
  • xwingpilotxwingpilot Member Posts: 799
    There's only really two things that make a set UCS (in the absence of consistent labelling by TLG):

    1) The UCS branding on the box
    2) The set having a UCS display plaque

    The Ewok Village has neither of these.
    MooreFX
  • Rainstorm26Rainstorm26 Member Posts: 1,013
    So let me see. Insult on Hoth is UCS and Ewok Village isn't?  I'll take the EV anyday. Both Playsets both around 2000 pieces. It just goes to show how inconsistent they are. 
  • xwingpilotxwingpilot Member Posts: 799
    edited March 2016
    If it were up to me, 2 would be the definition of UCS and result in 1...
    BrickDancerkiki180703
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Member Posts: 1,643
    Can someone change the title of this thread to lack of info on new UCS sets.

    The name keeps tricking me.
    xwingpilotflordSumoLegokiki180703
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    I thought this was the latest "how do you define UCS?" thread.
  • xwingpilotxwingpilot Member Posts: 799
    ^ That's every UCS thread!
    catwranglergmonkey76MaffyDkiki180703bobabricks
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    Lego_the_Hutt said:
    msanders said:
    Ewok village for me is a UCS set, but it's not labelled as such - very strange. 
    Why do you think Ewok village isn't labeled as a UCS set?
    Is the answer ad a obvious as it should be?  Obviously?!

    Maybe they'll re-design the box and put the UCS badge on it...
  • boostspikeboostspike Member Posts: 1
    Latest sandcrawler UCS?  Where's my plaque.?  Too confusing. 
  • xwingpilotxwingpilot Member Posts: 799
    ^ Well in the absence of a plaque there's always the UCS branding on the Sandcrawler box to fall back on. You can't really argue with the UCS logo being on the set. I agree it's a shame TLG didn't include a plaque though.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    I've been told plaque is bad - especially on your teeth and in your arteries.
    TheLoneTensorkiki180703
  • xwingpilotxwingpilot Member Posts: 799
    ^ Good point. Note to self - don't try to eat a UCS plaque...
    Rainstorm26kiki180703
  • JayoheazyJayoheazy Member Posts: 14
    Sorry but I was under the understanding that UCS refers to only sets with the label on the box? Sorry, still a bit new to the this as I just got out of my dark age...
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    Strictly speaking, a Ultimate Collectors' Series set is defined by how Lego chooses to define it.

    There is a poster from a few years back that has the early sets, and the later sets are identified with a silly little gold badge on the box.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Member Posts: 3,639
    Jayoheazy said:
    Sorry but I was under the understanding that UCS refers to only sets with the label on the box? Sorry, still a bit new to the this as I just got out of my dark age...

    Here you go:

    http://brickset.com/sets/theme-Star-Wars/subtheme-Ultimate-Collector-Series

  • VortexVortex Member Posts: 342
    edited March 2016
    Here we go again but I never tire of this one . I'll agree with @SumoLego there ^

    It was an Official TLG poster ( not a random espionage attempt by some freckle faced intern) Unless and until TLG comes with a refreshed one which omits some of the questionable ones, I will consider them "Ultimate" which for me is UCS . I may not agree with the choice but it's not for me to decide that.

    As always for "Posterity" reasons, I'll stick it here again . Cringe we may but face the demon we shall ;)


    catwranglerbobabricks
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    You went there.  Anyway, "Ultimate" does not equate to UCS.  Also, dogs and cats living together.
    gmonkey76kiki180703Kevin_Hyatt
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Member Posts: 3,639
    Yeah that poster's valid so long as you think these sets are Ultimates or UCS:

    #10131 TIE Collection
    #10123 Cloud City
    #10198 Tantive IV
    #10144 Sandcrawler
    #10195 AT-OT
  • Rainstorm26Rainstorm26 Member Posts: 1,013
    This conversation again?  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    fourstudBumblepantsSumoLegodougtscheshirecatkiki180703Goldchainssamiam391bobabricks
  • xwingpilotxwingpilot Member Posts: 799
    To be honest, although I agree that poster isn't about UCS sets, with TLG's recent release of the UCS-branded 'Insult on Hoth' set I would say that the official UCS designation is very nearly worthless now anyway.

    The best way to tell if a set is an impressive display piece for collectors is to look at the built set on the shelf.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    Rainstorm26 said:
    This conversation again?  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    More like.... Nooooooooooooo!
    chuckpgmonkey76kiki180703Goldchainsbobabricks
  • bandit778bandit778 Member Posts: 2,380
    edited March 2016
    ^ only if it's the G.Lucas special edition UCS thread
    chuckpkiki180703bobabricks
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    ^ Reposting the poster illustrates my frustration with the vague marketing Lego sometimes does.  A number of those sets are not identified on their packaging as 'UCS'.

    Thus, I think the primary motivation is to sell as many of these sets as possible during their initial offering, and the secondary market be damned!

    Even if it means retconning non-UCS sets into a list describing them as 'Ultimate'.  Greed definitely shoots first, and Han definitely steps on Jabba's tail... and who didn't like seeing a celebration on Naboo and Coruscant?  (Because a celebration in the Empire's capital makes any lick of sense?)

    (I'll spare everyone the language distinction with the Batmobile Ultimate Collectors' Edition.)


    Werewolf_pookiki180703
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    UCE? The horror!!
  • Lego_the_HuttLego_the_Hutt Member Posts: 10

    Here is the best list that encompasses everything imho.  It includes all of the "Ultimate Collector" sets including the helicarrier and tumbler etc.  No silly personal opinions like having to include plaques or disregarding the box.

    http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimate_Collector's_Series

    That being said,  I never thought 10188 was considered a UCS.  But I know some people believe it is.  It is included on the " all encompassing" list above.

      Oh,  I thought that poster that is shown above was regarded poorly all along.  I believe that is the same one that was shown on a slide at the Lego panel at celebration and it was a little hard to ignore some of the mumbled scoffs.
    SumoLegowoony2kiki180703
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