The Dates for Pre Easter 2016 Lego Store/[email protected] Double VIP Points.

chrisalddin · March 2016

MattsWhat said:

^it isn't free though... ;)

*gets out "Call of Duty 4"*
i need to shoot something. and the Sprites in the game world will do just fine!

TigerMoth · March 2016

MattsWhat said:

I keep saying it with bold and full stops and stuff because it is a fact. - you get £110 worth of stuff (whether that is vouchers you keep or don't use, lego or some combination of both) for £100.

There's a shop. It's got an item that normally sells for £100. Today, there's a special offer. You walk in, and hand over £100. You walk out, having paid £100, with the item and with their special offer - a piece of paper, with the Queen's head, and "£10" printed in the top left hand corner. Most people would call it a ten pound note.

According to you, you've paid £100 for items that are worth £110 - a 9.(09)% discount. According to everybody else in the country, they've paid £90 pounds for something that's worth £100 - a 10% discount.

For the purposes of a calculation, it makes no difference whether the item is paper with the Queen's head, or a plastic card with a LEGO logo.

For something like this, there are different interpretations. What you quote as being facts are a particular interpretation of the facts - namely that you've been given the points. Other people do not have to use the same interpretation.

Pitfall69 · March 2016

chrisalddin said:

How about we say this.

We buy lego from Lego [email protected]/Stores. we get VIP points.
we get Enough points, we get Free Lego.

as it stand come April i will have enough VIP to get #70732 City of Stiix FREE.
so i think before we all start a wild west shootout at high noon!. we should all stand back and cool our heads.
it's time to chill out! :p

If you have to buy something to get something else, it isn't free.

There will be no Wild West shootouts because that only happens in America. We all carry guns and drive big giant Cadillacs with steer horns mounted on the front grille...Because we are Americans and thst is what Americans do; mostly because we don't receive discounts on LEGO Exclusives ;)

MattsWhat · March 2016

^^How is talking about an example that is not happening here useful? If Lego were giving you money instead of vouchers then you would be right but they aren't - that isn't an interpretation issue.
You say my interpretation is that Lego have given me points? What do they do with the points when you make a purchase then?

TigerMoth · March 2016

Pitfall69 said:

Because we are Americans and thst is what Americans do; mostly because we don't receive discounts on LEGO Exclusives ;)

If there's a shop in Europe that's offering a discount on an exclusive, I doubt it will discriminate against an American customer.

On the other hand, I suspect the American customer will discriminate against the European shop, simply based on the price charged - before or after the discount.

You doubt me? There's a department store in the UK called John Lewis. They sell most things at list price most of the time, but when they reduce the price of something, it can be well worth a look. That includes things that TLG describe as "hard to find". They also have fixed price delivery to most reasonably civilised countries - including the US.

So, if you want discounts on exclusives, there you go. But I bet you don't.

CCC · March 2016

TigerMoth said:

MattsWhat said:

I keep saying it with bold and full stops and stuff because it is a fact. - you get £110 worth of stuff (whether that is vouchers you keep or don't use, lego or some combination of both) for £100.
There's a shop. It's got an item that normally sells for £100. Today, there's a special offer. You walk in, and hand over £100. You walk out, having paid £100, with the item and with their special offer - a piece of paper, with the Queen's head, and "£10" printed in the top left hand corner. Most people would call it a ten pound note.

According to you, you've paid £100 for items that are worth £110 - a 9.(09)% discount. According to everybody else in the country, they've paid £90 pounds for something that's worth £100 - a 10% discount.

For the purposes of a calculation, it makes no difference whether the item is paper with the Queen's head, or a plastic card with a LEGO logo.

You cannot spend LEGO points in any other store though. You have to spend your VIP points on more lego to cash them in. And not only just lego, but lego from the lego store, restricting choice. Whereas being handed a £10 note allows you to spend that money on anything you like, wherever you like.

TigerMoth · March 2016

MattsWhat said:

^^How is talking about an example that is not happening here useful? If Lego were giving you money instead of vouchers then you would be right but they aren't - that isn't an interpretation issue.

Because you have a closed mind that refuses to encompass that it is possible to interpret things differently.

Try thinking about what money is. Then think about the difference between a VIP card and a debit card.

And before you go off and explain the flexibility of cash against a VIP card, try using both of them in an overseas brand store. Just don't then tell me that I have to use your rules for availability.

You say my interpretation is that Lego have given me points?

No, I didn't. I said it was a fact (and essentially the only one) that they'd given you the points; I said it was down to interpretation as to what that meant to an individual.

You might notice that I don't tell you that you must use any particular interpretation, but you are set on telling me, and others, that I must use yours.

MattsWhat · March 2016

Your example shows that in different situations, then it is different, well done.
In this situation it isn't.
I'm not telling you to use my interpretation, I specifically said it isn't an interpretation, it is simply you getting £110 worth of stuff (you even said this was a fact yourself above) for £100 expressed as a percentage. That's all that happens, and that isn't open to interpretation because that is what happened (other than for you to compare it to irrelevant examples of course).
If it upsets you that much that there is just one answer then you are welcome to give me half the points from all your transactions so that there can be another possible answer. I won't complain, I promise.
To be fair you changed your argument through enough random points to chance upon something interesting - you could use your VIP card in another country to use your VIP points there. I guess depending on currency conversion this would enable you to be receiving a different amount as a reward, $10 for example, which would mean that your original purchase was a different % off. I guess it applies to a couple of people on here and means we should add another disclaimer to the 9.090909...% just in case.

TigerMoth · March 2016

MattsWhat said:

I'm not telling you to use my interpretation, I specifically said it isn't an interpretation, it is simply you getting £110 worth of stuff for £100 expressed as a percentage.

Several people have mentioned they use a different interpretation. It's sheer arrogance to say that your interpretation is just fact when it isn't.

If it upsets you that much that there is just one answer then you are welcome to give me half the points from all your transactions so that there can be another possible answer. I won't complain, I promise.

How on Earth is that "just one answer"? I wouldn't give you any fraction of the amount that's been through my bank account, so why should I do something similar for my VIP account. What does that prove? Probably that I wouldn't give you anything. But it's a silly type of argument you've used before.

To be fair you changed your argument through enough random points to chance upon something interesting - you could use your VIP card in another country to use your VIP points there.

I haven't changed my argument which is simply that VIP points can be interpreted in a variety of ways. As for using points overseas, that's already been discussed elsewhere if you'd been paying attention rather than trying to make other people think in your way. It's also so obvious that I imagine a few globe-trotting AFOLs have developed a strategy to use it to their best advantage.

MattsWhat · March 2016

TigerMoth said:

VIP points can be interpreted in a variety of ways.

I actually laughed out loud at this. So is this the argument now? VIP points, that are quite clearly defined on the Lego website, are open to interpretation? Well I am going to be in store this weekend telling them that they are worth £1 each. I'm sure they will listen to your well considered reasoning as to why that is right.
Yet again you bore me with your pedantry and inability to accept anyone elses viewpoint no matter what the supporting evidence, so I am, again, out.

TigerMoth · March 2016

MattsWhat said:
Yet again you bore me with your pedantry and inability to accept anyone elses viewpoint no matter what the supporting evidence

NO.

I've said that there are several alternative interpretations. It is you that have adopted the fascist stance of saying yours is the only correct viewpoint.

BrickDancer · March 2016

Pardon my jumping in this lively conversation with a question related to @TigerMoth's point about VIP points being interpreted differently.

If I reside in the US and currently have 5,000 VIP points which is worth $250 USD here. And about to go to London next month and use it there instead, then would I get £250 worth instead? If so, that would be a big boon since that would equal (£1:$1.42) $355 USD worth of VIP credit.

Or a specific example could be Ewok Village which is $250/£200. Where if I cashed it in here I would only get the EV, while in London I would get that plus another £50 set.

Is this how it would work out?

Legoboy · March 2016

Is this 100% a real conversation or 110%?

LostInTranslation · March 2016

The points are transferred on a 1:1 basis. So 5000 points = £250 = €250 = $250.

Several times I've earned points on trips to the US then spent them back here in the UK.

SuperTramp · March 2016

Legoboy said:

Is this 100% a real conversation or 110%?

Depends on your interpretation.

pharmjod · March 2016

Probably more like a 27% conversation with a likely chance of becoming a 17% conversation.

chrisalddin · March 2016

Legoboy said:

Is this a real conversation?

NO!
it is not.
it is as i see it right now a bar room brawl.

chrisalddin · March 2016

Legoboy said:

Is this 100% a real conversation or 110%?

way to go edit your post after i start to quote it :/

BrickDancer · March 2016

^I consider this still friendly banter, with a touch of mathematical passion.

Trust me, you haven't seen a brawl until you saw the old anti-Reseller debates that raged on for days.

chrisalddin · March 2016

BrickDancer said:

^I consider this still friendly banter, with a touch of mathematical passion.

Trust me, you haven't seen a brawl until you saw the old anti-Reseller debates that raged on for days.

anti-Reseller?
Dare i ask?

TigerMoth · March 2016

BrickDancer said:

Is this how it would work out?

You also have to factor in what £250 would buy you in the UK, which tends to even things out a little.

BrickDancer · March 2016

chrisalddin said:

BrickDancer said:

^I consider this still friendly banter, with a touch of mathematical passion.

Trust me, you haven't seen a brawl until you saw the old anti-Reseller debates that raged on for days.

anti-Reseller?
Dare i ask?

Some of it is buried in the Predictions thread. While there are a few dedicated threads that were split off from it when things got a bit too heated. I'm guessing that it was during 2012 and 2013 mostly. I think the last scuffle was related to Billy and #41999 hoarding. Since then it's been relatively calm on the board.

http://bricksetforum.com/discussion/7043/the-community-perspective-on-reselling/p1

This is one of the offshoots that went into Hungrystan for those who remember. It goes for 58 pages! But there's a few more threads before, during and after this one. Little Timmy, doodad wars, dead horses. Then came peace with something Red standing by.

chrisalddin · March 2016

well good news is that the 2 orders from monday are now inside the UK and are showing as "Estimated delivery: On or before 10 March"
WOOT!

CCC · March 2016

BrickDancer said:

Pardon my jumping in this lively conversation with a question related to @TigerMoth's point about VIP points being interpreted differently.

If I reside in the US and currently have 5,000 VIP points which is worth $250 USD here. And about to go to London next month and use it there instead, then would I get £250 worth instead? If so, that would be a big boon since that would equal (£1:$1.42) $355 USD worth of VIP credit.

Or a specific example could be Ewok Village which is $250/£200. Where if I cashed it in here I would only get the EV, while in London I would get that plus another £50 set.

Is this how it would work out?

Yes. It's good to spend them here, although for some sets we are almost at parity £:$.

chrisalddin · March 2016

dont down under get like 1 point per A$7.50
and 100 points for A$7.50

BrickDancer · March 2016

^I'll have to do a bit looking into it then on which sets would be best. And it looks like the Shepards Bush store is the closest to Richmond Hill area?

But I guess this does prove @TigerMoth to be right that VIP points are subjective and their value is relative, not always 9.09% nor 10%.

LostInTranslation · March 2016

@BrickDancer - yes Shepherds Bush is probably the easiest for you to get to. Hope you have a great time visiting London!

tamamahm · March 2016

The stupid thing with VIP, is that year round one gets approximately 5%, and with double VIP it is really only about an extra 5%. If I spend $200 the difference is that approximately $10 vs $20. In the grand scheme of things, it is not a huge savings.

If your total savings Z is written in terms of what you would save normally with VIP (X) and what one would saved with the extra from double VIP (Y) ... Z = X+Y
One can say they are saving Z on their next purchase , but really they are only saving an extra Y because they would have a saved X anyway.

While I to save as much as anyone, sometimes that extra $5 or $10 off a $100 or $200 purchase, is simply not enough for me to buy right then, when several months down the road is a better time to buy in terms of monthly finances,

CCC · March 2016

Indeed, and often a better promo is worth more too (if appropriate).

CupIsHalfEmpty · March 2016

If you could earn VIP points on VIP point redemption, that would change the savings from 9.09% to 10%.

I like to maintain a healthy balance of 500 VIP points and redeem the equivalent to what I earn during each purchase so I can get the "discount" now, not later.

Today's redemption scheme this is how I do it:
If I make a purchase of $110 worth of Lego, during the Double VIP promo, I will redeem 100 VIP points. This brings my Total to $100 out of pocket. I then earn 100 VIP points on the $100 out of pocket, which replenishes my VIP balance back to 500 VIP points. Giving me $110 worth of Lego for $100 right then and there. That's the 9.09% discount.

Now in a perfect Lego world I would earn VIP points on my VIP point redemption. This would allow me to make a $100 Lego purchase during double VIP Point days, and redeem 100 VIP points, bringing my total out of pocket $90. I would then earn 100 VIP points on my $100 purchase which would bring my VIP balance back to 500. Giving me $100 worth of Lego for $90, or 10% off. Sadly this isn't the way it works. :(

Pitfall69 · March 2016

LostInTranslation said:

@BrickDancer - yes Shepherds Bush is probably the easiest for you to get to. Hope you have a great time visiting London!

Would a sheppard's bush be considered a merkin?

pharmjod · March 2016

That may be the first time the word merkin has been used on a Brickset forum. I'm both amused and horrified =)

MattsWhat · March 2016

pharmjod said:

That may be the first time the word merkin has been used on a Brickset forum. I'm both amused and horrified =)

How did you miss the great merkin debate from a month ago?

chrisalddin · March 2016

MattsWhat said:

pharmjod said:

That may be the first time the word merkin has been used on a Brickset forum. I'm both amused and horrified =)

How did you miss the great merkin debate from a month ago?

not even that long ago.
and stop reminding me off it. i am trying to make myself forget about it.

Legoboy · March 2016

Hmmmm, only one post in the Predictions thread overnight. Must have found somewhere new to play.

Pitfall69 · March 2016

SithLord196 · March 2016

I have $135 in points saved up. Chances are I'll buy The Simpsons House and Doctor Who and use $100 in points.

So I'll end up spending $159.68 out of pocket, and still end up with $50 in points to use down the road.

Hopefully my tax return is deposited by the end of next week so I can use that on it.

catwrangler · March 2016

I'm planning to put my points from Palace Cinema towards Fun in the Park, because while it's not outlandishly expensive compared to the equivalent number of CMF bags, it's a lot for me to spend at once on a set that isn't going to provide a long building experience in itself.

SithLord196 · March 2016

My actual out of pocket cost would be $169.58. Swapped the 6 and the 5 by accident.

Bumblepants · March 2016

SithLord196 said:

My actual out of pocket cost would be $169.58. Swapped the 6 and the 5 by accident.

Nice try but I think we probably ought to argue about this somehow.

SithLord196 · March 2016

Bumblepants said:

SithLord196 said:

My actual out of pocket cost would be $169.58. Swapped the 6 and the 5 by accident.

Nice try but I think we probably ought to argue about this somehow.

My math is as follows:

$199.99 + $59.99 = $259.98 - $100 (VIP Points) = $159.98 * 1.06 (6% sales tax) = $169.58.

You may gladly argue any mistakes seen.

bandit778 · March 2016

^ don't need mistakes to argue on the forum, just an opinion.

Bumblepants · March 2016

SithLord196 said:

Bumblepants said:

SithLord196 said:

My actual out of pocket cost would be $169.58. Swapped the 6 and the 5 by accident.

Nice try but I think we probably ought to argue about this somehow.

My math is as follows:

$199.99 + $59.99 = $259.98 - $100 (VIP Points) = $159.98 * 1.06 (6% sales tax) = $169.58.

You may gladly argue any mistakes seen.

Don't worry. I couldn't care less about your math. Or I could care less? Someone tell me what to say!

CCC · March 2016

I could care exactly the right amount about the maths, no more and no less.

bandit778 · March 2016

^ but what percentage would that be?
;)

legomental · March 2016

Pitfall69 said:

If you have to buy something to get something else, it isn't free

What?!!!! It is in our house otherwise I'll be in deep trouble with the other half next month!

pharmjod · March 2016

Curiosity question, is maths actually plural? I always thought math was its own plural.

catwrangler · March 2016

In the UK we use "maths" in any context where US people would use "math", meaning that you'd still say, "Maths is my favourite subject," rather than "Maths are my favourite subject"...

chrisalddin · March 2016

*gets a hammer and nails the Box Marked "USA English vs UK English" closed.*
nope, no, and no way in hell are we going to OPEN THAT BOX!

oldtodd33 · March 2016

^ So you can pluralize the word math but we can't pluralize the word Legos;)

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