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75827 - Ghostbusters HQ (Coming In January 2016?)

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  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 116
    TigerMoth said:
    Roberto said:

    I was only asking myself what makes people thinking of a Modular being or not being out of scale, considering that every modular is builded around minifig scale, so, too big in comparison with what, out of scale with what?. It was just curiosity, nothing else.
    One aspect of that is that there is no such thing as minifig scale.

    If you measure one dimension of a minifig and then calculate what the other dimensions should be, most of the time they're wrong. In a sense "minifig scale" is a range of scales, so buildings using different ones can all be considered to "match" a minifig in some respect, but the buildings won't necessarily match each other. It's like using an elastic ruler.
    You don't have to calculate the "correct" dimensions for minifigs. Like for humans there aren't correct dimensions, only sufficient dimensions, more or less suitable. Correct dimensions need for dresses, not for houses, vehicles or everything else.
    Humans, like minifigures, can "live" in buildings which can be differentiated by lenght, height, width; they can be even 10, 50, 100, even 1000 times bigger or smaller. It doesn't count because there are no "correct" sizes, only suitable proportiones which all need a lowest common denominator: who they are designed for, who they are supposed to be used by, and if they can be lived or used by them. You'll never be able to live in a bird-house unless you're a Lilliput, but whatever it will be a castle or a single household, they will be both on a human or minifig scale, if these ones are able to use them, to live them. Surely a skyscraper doesn't match a barn, but it doesn't matter because buildings don't have to match each other. What really counts is that both them match who they are assigned to. 
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  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    Roberto said:
    You'll never be able to live in a bird-house unless you're a Lilliput, but whatever it will be a castle or a single household, they will be both on a human or minifig scale, if these ones are able to use them, to live them.
    I understand your point, but the original debate was whether or not the HQ "fits" with the modulars. Does a castle "fit" in a typical residential neighborhood? It's not the scale at issue, here, it's the visual consistency.
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,245
    yep it does, that's exactly how it is in my city
  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 116
    edited January 2016
    binaryeye said:
    Roberto said:
    You'll never be able to live in a bird-house unless you're a Lilliput, but whatever it will be a castle or a single household, they will be both on a human or minifig scale, if these ones are able to use them, to live them.
    I understand your point, but the original debate was whether or not the HQ "fits" with the modulars. Does a castle "fit" in a typical residential neighborhood? It's not the scale at issue, here, it's the visual consistency.
    There is no more an original topic, only sub-topics and generic comments following the release of the set. One of them was the impression for someone that Ghostbusters HQ doesn't fit with modulars because of its height, same question of Town Hall for someone else.

    In any case, regarding the visual consistency, where do you think would suit better the Ghostbusters HQ if not in a city ? Maybe with JackStone?
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    Roberto said:
    In any case, regarding the visual consistency, where do you think would suit better the Ghostbusters HQ if not in a city ? Maybe with JackStone?
    I think it would look best displayed by itself, or with the Ecto-1.
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,616
    Thank you for clarifying that the Death Star is not actually minifig scale.
    ^ Are you sure?  Maybe that explains why my minifigure scale Millenium Falcon doesn't fit.
  • sklambsklamb speaker of American EnglishMember Posts: 478

    What I find disturbing about combining GBHQ with the "official" modulars is that the original GBHQ is a small building compared with its surroundings, whereas the Lego version, when inserted into Modular Row, becomes the tallest of them all.

    In any case it must obviously be displayed with its unfinished back jammed firmly against a convenient wall, which further complicates designing a suitable layout.

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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,616
    My guess is that the 45-story version of the Pet Shop probably wouldn't be too popular.
  • sklambsklamb speaker of American EnglishMember Posts: 478
    Wouldn't fit on any Ikea shelving I've ever seen, that's true!
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  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    Roberto said:

    You don't have to calculate the "correct" dimensions for minifigs. Like for humans there aren't correct dimensions, only sufficient dimensions, more or less suitable.
    There aren't correct dimensions for humans, but there are a range of proportions that are. Minifigs do not fit that range. To use a minifig in any model means that you are stretching your imagination to accommodate it.

    That's all very well for a toy, but it means that you can construct two separate buildings, probably using a scale for one that is as much as double the other, and the distortions of the minifig and the imagination stretch mean that it fits each of them. However, it does not mean that the two buildings are to the same scale, nor does it mean that they fit alongside each other.

    And so it is with the firehouse and modulars. We accept a minifg placed in either of them only by using imagination; in fact they are misfits in both. You cannot then use that "as evidence" that the two buildings are to the same scale.

    By your reasoning, all City sets are to the same scale as the firehouse and Ecto. Not on this planet, they're not. From the photos earlier, the Ecto is larger than a bus - which, in real life, it definitely isn't. The Ecto is overscale for a minifig as can be demonstrated simply by standing them alongside each other (a minifig wouldn't even see in the windows).  It is artisitic licence allows them to be used together. A minifg better suits the modulars, although as I said earlier, they are still not to scale, because there is no "minifig scale".

    The firehouse therefore only goes with the modulars by using that same artistic licence and imagination. If that's the way you want to see things in your own sets, then that's up to you, but you can't then tell somebody who wants a more uniform feel that the two match, because they don't.

    It's the same as with children and toy cars of different scales. Some children will keep them separate and play with them separately; others will play with them all at the same time. They're toys - both are equally valid. Neither group should try to force their opinions on the other, but it does not change the absolute fact that they are different scales.

    The original question was this:
    Has anyone seen a photo or video showing how the Ghostbusters HQ scales next to a regular modular building?
    It's interesting the question was phrased that way, because it almost anticipates that the answer is subjective.

    They're not the same scale; they're a near miss. But how do they scale? Well that depends on every individuals interpretation of "near" and how near they personally want it to be to accept it as a match. Everybody ought to be happy with that.
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  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,112
    @TigerMoth I think you just won the internet right there.  Spot on.
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  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,393
    That is a fire station 'hidden" in a neighborhood closed to me, the oversize garage for the fire truck looks out of scale, but that it was is needed. The door looks 4 times the size of the garage on the right. a GB HQ in the city layout would not look as odd as this :)



    l think I've found the design for my next house.
  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 116
    edited January 2016
    Your excess of zeal is admirable, but you completely missed the point.

    You missed the point cause the question was about how much the GH fits with modulars, not how much the ECTO fits with other cars.

    I know it's nice to can take always the conversation where we want, but when we do it we have to be sure where exactly we are supposed to go, at least, otherwise we are only going off at a tangent. You did a tender example, the ECTO, not very strong frankly, but which can be even embraceable if you just take it for what it is. However, it falls completely outside from the main point of the debate cause it's just nothing more than an exception.

    Everything in life follows precise rules or uppermost habits, then there are apparently small incongruences, happy exceptions, but exceptions don't brake rules, they confirm them. If you take the exception as a valid argument, well, prepare yourself to be punctually denyed by the most of people, because the exception is a really weak point of view, a weak argumentation.
    Why ? Because it just completely falls outside from the main point, claiming to make of a singularity, a uniqueness, something which can replace the rule or the convention. But things never work so.

    You just insist on the ECTO, but the ECTO is just an exception like the Delorean, like the Batman cars and others LEGO cars or trucks. When people think about cars based on minifig scale, their minds immediately go to that typical TOWN\CITY sector of cars of four studs wide with which obviously those other vehicles don't match very well. So, exceptions exist, but their existence doesn't encroach what is the uppermost scale based on minifigures.

    When you think about minifig scale you refear to a precise idea which begins with the introduction of the minifigure itself and, by the time, year after year, it developed till our days and will continue to develop in the future. This idea opened the doors to an entire revolution in terms of dedicated new parts that, by that time, have been designed to fit perfectly with minifigs. All these new parts: doors, windows, panels, gates, utensils, plants and many others have all a common seed, a common denominator, and all of them fit with that precise size, that precise scale: the minifigure.
    You'll can do whatever building you want, big or small, red or white, but as far as you use the same doors, the same windows, and every other minifigure dedicated furnitures you' ll never have buildings of different scale. Those are the elements which link generic bricks, potentially good for every scale, with minifigure scale, those create the minifig scale, and there is no way you can escape from them.
    And this take us back to the original question, my question: what makes people thinking of a Modular being or not being out of scale with GH?
     
    TigerMoth said:

    Has anyone seen a photo or video showing how the Ghostbusters HQ scales next to a regular modular building?
    It's interesting the question was phrased that way, because it almost anticipates that the answer is subjective.

    On the contrary I can see here something of remarkable, a spontaneous wish, which is completely legitimised by the immediate impression that GH can fit well with modulars. Definitely a question that you don't see usually for Creator houses or for City buildings, not frequently at least. 
    For the rest, I substantiality agree with Brickupdate previous analysis.







     




  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    Roberto said:

    All these new parts: doors, windows, panels, gates, utensils, plants and many others have all a common seed, a common denominator, and all of them fit with that precise size, that precise scale: the minifigure.
    Such a precise scale that a hair decoration is the same size as a tennis racket?

    Keep trolling.
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  • CupIsHalfEmptyCupIsHalfEmpty CanadaMember Posts: 547
    Just saw it in person. Controversy or not it looks fantastic to me and is now prominently on the top of my want list. Can't wait till next double VIP.
  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 116
    TigerMoth said:
    Roberto said:

    All these new parts: doors, windows, panels, gates, utensils, plants and many others have all a common seed, a common denominator, and all of them fit with that precise size, that precise scale: the minifigure.
    Such a precise scale that a hair decoration is the same size as a tennis racket?

    Keep trolling.
    You just make the ordinary error to apply human scale to minifigure scale, but that is not the case cause minifigure proportions don't follow the humans proportions. Maybe minifigure's body is proportioned with human body? Nothing at all, and so it can't be for all the world builded around it.

    Look, this is the second time you just insult me after a short debate. I'm relatively new to this forum but I can see it's something very usual for you to just call idiot, troll, rubbish or insult everyone else everytime you run out of arguments, or maybe just for the fun of doing it. I don't know how old exactly are you, not so much I presume, but such behaviour is the mirror of an infinite human misery for which can be only commiseration.

    And about trolling just relax yourself, that task is all yours, no one else could beat you in that here, guaranteed.




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  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    edited January 2016
    Roberto said:

     everytime you run out of arguments
    I don't run out of arguments, but there's no point in trying to have a discussion with you quite simply because you argue that black is white. That is trolling.

    You asked a question about why people THINK something. I gave you an answer. It's not for anybody to argue about it.
  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,393
    So to try and get this on track. Does anyone have the Firehouse and a LEGO City firetruck they can put inside so we can see how far out of scale it is?
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  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 116
    TigerMoth said:
    Roberto said:

     everytime you run out of arguments
    I don't run out of arguments, but there's no point in trying to have a discussion with you quite simply because you argue that black is white. That is trolling.

    You asked a question about why people THINK something. I gave you an answer. It's not for anybody to argue about it.
    Here it is the point..
    Discussions? Which discussions? The ones you suppose to have with people?

    I don't see any discussion with you, only one-way with someone who simply hasn't learn yet to being contradicted in his life.
    Get over yourself dear, maybe it's not for anybody to argue about it, maybe it's not for you either.


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  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    gmonkey76 said:

    Does anyone have the Firehouse and a LEGO City firetruck they can put inside so we can see how far out of scale it is?
    That's almost been done. One of the photos shows Firehouse HQ alongside Fire Brigade. Add a little imagination and that's what you've got.

  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    edited January 2016
    SumoLego said:
    And with respect to Paris and London, again, not a criticism.  When I think of sky-scrapery skylines, Paris and London aren't at the top of the list.  (Major cities in North America and Asia tend to have those types of skylines.)
    When it comes to American like skylines, don't forget "Main-hatten", a.k.a. Frankfurt, Germany, formerly the only European city with a "real" sky-scrapery skyline ;-)

    http://www.oopper.de/gr/pano/staedte/frankfurt/frankfurt-skyline-p463.jpg  
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  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 116
    edited January 2016
    gmonkey76 said:
    So to try and get this on track. Does anyone have the Firehouse and a LEGO City firetruck they can put inside so we can see how far out of scale it is?

    The debate was about GH being or not being on scale with other modulars, not about vehicles. Someone said GH is on a different scale, but hasn't technically explained yet why.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,616
    Vehicles are/can be a wide variety of scale.
  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,393
    Was thinking of #60002 or #60112 for getting a 2nd one to MOC a stand alone firetruck house for my city.
  • Jern92Jern92 MalaysiaMember Posts: 782
    Sethro3 said:
    It won't let me add to my above comment via edit, so here is a new one..

    I do worry though considering the overall height/size of the HQ that when you do line it up next to a modular, that back will be exposed. Unlike most modulars that have a questionable color scheme somewhere, it can get hidden.

    I know that was mentioned in other posts, but does anyone plan on rectifying that?
    I'd suggest putting it as part of a square city block, so the back won't be visible from the front
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,616
    edited January 2016
    Roberto said:
    When I think of Paris, this is what normally envision.  And the Eiffel Tower, of course.

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  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 116
    edited January 2016
    ^
    I understand your point. Of course I had never thought how flat can seem the european cities skylines in comparison to american ones for an american eye, just think for a New Yorker citizen.. I think it's a question of point of views, of habits, but I can assure you there is a great variety from building to another building here too, as you can see from the pictures.


  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    Paris does of course have a law to stop high buildings now so probably wasn't a good example to use.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,616
    And now that I think of it, there are a few scenes in 'Ratatouille' that may distort my mind's eye as well.

    Nonetheless, it wasn't meant as a criticism, so if Lego does opt to continue the skylines, a stylized version of Parisian buildings would do just fine.  (Eiffel Tower, Notre Dame, Arch, etc.)
  • piratemania7piratemania7 New EnglandMember Posts: 2,029
    Paris does of course have a law to stop high buildings now so probably wasn't a good example to use.

    Thats a good point.  Salt Lake City, Utah has a law where no building can be higher than the top spire of the Mormon Church Temple - when I was living there it was nice to have that big city feel without it being too over the top.
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    edited January 2016
    And in Rome there is an unwritten rule that you won't build higher than the dome of St Peters in the Vatican.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,616
    I guess I shouldn't hold my breath for a Trump Tower in the Forum?
  • Sethro3Sethro3 United StatesMember Posts: 819
    That's a shame!

    My city (Lincoln, NE population 250k) has a law that can't have buildings taller than the capitol building. Granted, it is the 2nd tallest capitol building in the country, so buildings can still be fairly tall. Although there isn't much need to be too skyscraper-y here.
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,245
    edited January 2016
    la défense has high buildings. moreover, if I remember well, it is built a few meters above the ground which makes it look like the whole district hovers above the city.
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    Although like EUR in Rome, it's not quite central Paris.
  • chrisalddinchrisalddin UKMember Posts: 2,860
    how did this subject side track on to who got the taller city?
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  • BuriedinBricksBuriedinBricks USAMember Posts: 1,366
    Finally saw this in person over the weekend. I was a little shocked by the size, given the price, until I realize how parts-dense the interior actually is. I want the set, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to just end up adapting a MOC version for my layout since the interior never actually gets seen.
    Amanda1983
  • chrisalddinchrisalddin UKMember Posts: 2,860
    sklamb said:
    Because it's a thread on the Brickset forum!
    lol

    i would like to have 2 of this set,
    one to build, one to MOC with.
    however, knowing how i am hopeless at saving money (i have burning money syndrome.) i dont think i could save long enough to get a 2nd one.
    but we will see. if the set is a round for 2 or even 3 years then odds are i will get that 2nd set. so here is to hoping it sticks around long enough. 
  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,393
    ^ no it's called being a AFOL. Set xxxxx came out I need four. One to build, one to keep in box, one to MOC, and one just in case.
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  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 116
    gmonkey76 said:
    ^ no it's called being a AFOL. Set xxxxx came out I need four. One to build, one to keep in box, one to MOC, and one just in case.
    And one just in case.. of divorcing after bankrupt?
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  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 116
    Seriously, considering the new upcoming Death Star and Hoth giant sets this year it will be hard being faithful to such "precautionary" plans of buying, at least for all of them.
  • kiki180703kiki180703 Montreal, CanadaMember Posts: 1,027
    gmonkey76 said:
    ^ no it's called being a AFOL. Set xxxxx came out I need four. One to build, one to keep in box, one to MOC, and one just in case.
    You forgot one to get AFA graded ;)
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,616
    ^ Well, you would need TWO for the that purpose.  One to grade the figures in the set, and one to grade an unopened box.
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  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,212
    Just buy a dozen of each & be done with it, it's only money after all...
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  • Sethro3Sethro3 United StatesMember Posts: 819
    It grows on trees, right?
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  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    edited January 2016
    Sethro3 said:
    It grows on trees, right?
    Only when you're under a certain age.

    The trouble is that "certain age" is now often something like 30 or 40, whereas it used to be about 15.
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  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,212
    @TigerMoth ??? Really, dammit! Some people get all the breaks...
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  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    It's called the age of entitlement, where some people expect things whether or not they have the cash.

    Perhaps you're more enlightened down under?
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,245
    actually money comes from computers. if it grew on trees, there probably wouldn't be so much of it (also all trees would be privatised)
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