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STOP PRESS!! CMF Bumblebee Girl Keychain

Renegade007cjhRenegade007cjh Essex, UKMember Posts: 683
edited December 2015 in Collecting
Just spotted this on [email protected] - the elusive Bumblebee Girl CMF will be released as a keychain (along with Hot Dog Guy)...

http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Keychain-Bumble-Bee-853572?fromListing=listing



I wonder if this will cause the value of the actual figure to drop (as people could just chop the metal part off and use it for display purposes), or increase as people realise they *do* want the actual figure...?
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  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,416
    edited December 2015
    Probably neither. Some people will sell them on ebay and mention a small hole in the small print. If someone wants a cheap keychain version instead of the real thing, then they might as well buy the chinese knock-off version that already exists.

    And £3.99? Even the SW ones are £2.99.
    andhemadforLEGO
  • Renegade007cjhRenegade007cjh Essex, UKMember Posts: 683
    Fair enough... I just thought I'd let people know it's coming!  I'll be grabbing a couple, anyway!
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,416
    Don't get me wrong, it's a nice item. But I don't think the value of SW figures have really been affected by the keychains, same with SH and LOTR. So I doubt the CMF ones will have much effect either.

    And probably not at that price. £4 to buy, so if they sell for £8 inc postage then 80p for posting, 80p for ebay, 60p for paypal. Leaves £1.80 profit. And that is before any claims about selling fakes, items not shown up, etc. I guess it depends how long it takes someone to remove the pin and whether they do a good job at it but I cannot really see that it would be worth it. If they start selling at £15, then maybe.

    As for people doing it themselves, I doubt it will really be that popular. Why have a collection you know is all genuine lego, but only sort of as the minifigures are not real ones.

    I can see them selling to be used as keychains and bag charms though.

  • BACbrixBACbrix AmericaMember Posts: 655
    Yeah I agree. While it is a neat item to add to the key chain collection  (if you collect those things) people who take the bumblebee figure off the keychain to say they have a complete collection are no closer to a complete collection than if someone were to buy a fake. Thanks for the heads up though!!!
    SumoLego
  • Renegade007cjhRenegade007cjh Essex, UKMember Posts: 683
    edited December 2015
    No worries - I'm a keychain collector, myself, so thought I'd spread the word.  Annoying if the price hike is true.  Keychains in the UK are normally £2.99 - I know I paid £3.99 for the LEGO Movie ones when they were first released, but they later dropped to the normal price, so will just have to see what happens.

    I'm sure @SumoLego will be all over this!!
    SumoLego
  • LukeSkywalkerLukeSkywalker IrelandMember Posts: 231
    edited December 2015
    Why is the bumblebee girl a sought-after figure? I don't think she's anything special, actually to be honest she's pretty hummm-drummm... ;)
    gmonkey76Renegade007cjh
  • Renegade007cjhRenegade007cjh Essex, UKMember Posts: 683
    Why is the bumblebee girl a sought-after figure? I don't think she's anything special, actually to be honest she's pretty hummm-drummm... ;)
    No idea - I thought it was a cool figure, but not worth the extravagent prices it's going for on BL.  £25+ for a (non-Series 1) CMF?  Come on!
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,416
    Why is the bumblebee girl a sought-after figure? I don't think she's anything special, actually to be honest she's pretty hummm-drummm... ;)
    She's two per box of 60, so quite hard to find.

    She's an animal suit.

    She's a quirky army builder.

    The head gear is great for making other insects.
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  • LukeSkywalkerLukeSkywalker IrelandMember Posts: 231
    Hmm, I might sell my extras in that case. :D
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  • CupIsHalfEmptyCupIsHalfEmpty CanadaMember Posts: 547
    Part of the value of the BumbleBee girl Minifigure is the wings. http://alpha.bricklink.com/pages/clone/catalogitem.page?P=10183&idColor=12#T=P&C=12 
    The Keychain will have that same wing piece and it won't have any damage from the keychain, so the market will be replenished although still fairly expensive per piece. This could bring the price of the actual minifigure down. 

    I would also like to play devils advocate and say that owning the keychain version of a minifigure is just a different version of collecting. It is Lego and it's a complete version of that minifigure, it just happens to have damage. Since collecting is not a black and white hobby, I see plenty of people being satisfied with owning the keychain and will stop seeking out the original. 
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,416
    Part of the value of the BumbleBee girl Minifigure is the wings. http://alpha.bricklink.com/pages/clone/catalogitem.page?P=10183&idColor=12#T=P&C=12 
    The Keychain will have that same wing piece and it won't have any damage from the keychain, so the market will be replenished although still fairly expensive per piece. This could bring the price of the actual minifigure down. 

    I'm not so sure here. Are the wings expensive because of the figure or is the figure expensive because of the wings? The same wings but in trans black are very plentiful and much cheaper, so unless someone really wants trans clear there is a cheap alternative to those wings. If people start smashing keychains for the clear wings, sure the price of the wings might fall but I doubt this will bring the figure price down. As the parts are not available elsewhere, the body parts will probably rise in value. Remember that this is not a figure that gets parted out so much. The value is in the complete figure (or actually in the complete set, with the honey pot).

    I would also like to play devils advocate and say that owning the keychain version of a minifigure is just a different version of collecting. It is Lego and it's a complete version of that minifigure, it just happens to have damage. Since collecting is not a black and white hobby, I see plenty of people being satisfied with owning the keychain and will stop seeking out the original. 
    Yes, each to their own when it comes to collecting (whether filling gaps with broken keychains or fakes). No doubt some people will be happy with a glued minifig with a hole in its head, just as some are happy with a fake. This might decrease the demand a little. But considering supply is already low, again I doubt it will impact on the real figure / set price.


  • RecceRecce Tiny Little Red DotMember Posts: 881
    I don't understand this constant comparison of key chains with fakes. Isn't the key chain figure using the same original Lego parts?

    As mentioned, some chose to collect the key chain version if indeed the non key chain one is too expensive, and I don't see anything wrong with that. There's no point in downplaying it, key chain or no key chain, just be glad that no fake is involved at all :)
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,631
    (I'm on it!)
    kiki180703
  • bobabricksbobabricks Vancouver, BC, CanadaMember Posts: 1,836
    As @CupIsHalfEmpty mentioned the wings could be taken off if you just chop the head off and those wings are worth $15-$20 so the resale could be crazy if you get a few of those keychains.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,416
    Recce said:
    I don't understand this constant comparison of key chains with fakes. Isn't the key chain figure using the same original Lego parts?

    As mentioned, some chose to collect the key chain version if indeed the non key chain one is too expensive, and I don't see anything wrong with that. There's no point in downplaying it, key chain or no key chain, just be glad that no fake is involved at all :)
    There us nothing wrong with collecting the keychain version if you want a keychain version. But it is not a genuine minifigure. It is a minifigure cut off of a keychain, it's glued, the parts are not removable and it has a hole drilled through it. Sure, it is genuine Lego but it is not a genuine minifigure. If someone is happy with it, then that is fine. However if that collection was ever described or sold, then it should be stated that it is not a collection of CMFs, but a collection of broken keychains.
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  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,416

    As @CupIsHalfEmpty mentioned the wings could be taken off if you just chop the head off and those wings are worth $15-$20 so the resale could be crazy if you get a few of those keychains.
    They won't be worth that though, as there is now a cheap source of them. Also is there any real demand for them? You could say 100% of them listed at BL have sold, or alternatively that the six month demand is one.

    As I noted above, there is probably no difference to the figure price. It is rare to part the figure out, so the availability of cheap wings does nothing to the figure price if the rest of the figure is not available.

    People don't find a bee and think they'll make money selling the parts. They sell the figure.
  • BOBJACK_JACKBOBBOBJACK_JACKBOB ScotlandMember Posts: 456
    Why bother discussing the original question - whether the value of the Bumblebee Girl will change due to the release of a Bumblebee Girl Keyring? when we can use this thread to declare what makes a "real" collection, a "real" collector and belittle those who might dare think differently?

    "If someone wants a cheap keychain version instead of the real thing, then they might as well buy the chinese knock-off"
    "people who take the bumblebee figure off the keychain to say they have a complete collection are no closer to a complete collection than if someone were to buy a fake"

    snobby elitist crap.

    I think the price of the original CMF Bumblebee Girl will drop a little as a result of the keyring as some people who want the figure will be happy with the keyring version at a fraction of the price but as there will always be people who will be willing to pay the premium I doubt it will drop by much. One of the biggest factors to consider, IMO, is the lack of the honeypot with the keyring version.

    Bob
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  • BastaBasta Australia Member Posts: 1,259
    Part of the value of the BumbleBee girl Minifigure is the wings. http://alpha.bricklink.com/pages/clone/catalogitem.page?P=10183&idColor=12#T=P&C=12 
    The Keychain will have that same wing piece and it won't have any damage from the keychain, so the market will be replenished although still fairly expensive per piece. This could bring the price of the actual minifigure down. 
    Considering only one has sold in the last 6 months and there are no "new" currently listed and only one "used" I don't think that element will have much effect on the whole fig. Only way it could would be if people are currently buying the whole fig for the wings, personaly I doubt that very much.

    So sure that wings will probably drop as soon as a few people partout the key ring but I think the complete CMF will stay solid.
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    Isn't the point that keychains are glued and therefore the availability of the wings does not change because it's not a separate part.

    The availability of the whole minifig doesn't change either - the one from the keychain is effectively not the same because, again, it is glued, and it also has a hole in the head.
  • BastaBasta Australia Member Posts: 1,259
    edited December 2015
    ^I assumed the assumption was that the wings are not glued, just the head needs to be "ripped" off to get them. No idea if that is the case though.

    I do think some people will grab a keychain and remove the chain instead of getting a CMF. Not sure if enough people would do that to make a huge difference in the price of the CMF.
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,868
    I love the bumblebee figure and the reason I bought 15 or so of them when it came out was for the wings. I've sold most of them though. I will def buy several of the key chains just for the wings.
  • BOBJACK_JACKBOBBOBJACK_JACKBOB ScotlandMember Posts: 456
    I think the only parts that are glued on a keyring are the legs and body. The wings, head and hair are held in place by the keyring piece that goes in the top of the hair, through the head and through the body at the neck. If this piece is removed the wings, head and hair will come loose.
  • LegoTTLegoTT Member Posts: 479
    Cool!  I'll be picking one up. 
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,416
    edited December 2015
    Why bother discussing the original question - whether the value of the Bumblebee Girl will change due to the release of a Bumblebee Girl Keyring? when we can use this thread to declare what makes a "real" collection, a "real" collector and belittle those who might dare think differently?

    "If someone wants a cheap keychain version instead of the real thing, then they might as well buy the chinese knock-off"
    "people who take the bumblebee figure off the keychain to say they have a complete collection are no closer to a complete collection than if someone were to buy a fake"

    snobby elitist crap.

    I think the price of the original CMF Bumblebee Girl will drop a little as a result of the keyring as some people who want the figure will be happy with the keyring version at a fraction of the price but as there will always be people who will be willing to pay the premium I doubt it will drop by much. One of the biggest factors to consider, IMO, is the lack of the honeypot with the keyring version.

    Bob
    If that is snobby elitist crap, then you may as well discuss gluing 1x4 bricks together to make genuine but rare 1x8 bricks, or using cheaper clones instead of expensive Lego. The fact remains, a broken keychain is not a genuine CMF. It may look the same, but it is different. If someone is happy with the cheaper alternative when the real thing is available, that is fine. But don't call it what it isn't.

    I doubt there will be many people that value the CMF as a collection that will use a keychain one, just as they won't use a fake one. Why? Because they'll know they have cheated / skimped to complete their collection. Their valued collection has less value because of it. There will be others that will be happy with a broken keychain version, but I doubt those people would have ever bought the real thing. Thus the price is not likely to change. Someone buying a broken keychain has as much effect on the secondary market price as someone buying a fake. Next to none, as they were never in the market for one. 

    Whether people believe something is real or not affects the price, in answer to your first sentence.
  • legogallegogal USMember Posts: 755
    I love the bumblebee CMF because it is so adorable. But I only have one complete one....I need a set of wings for my incomplete one. Wish I had bought many more. But they were rare. I may pick up a keychain just to have another form of it. And will def buy another set of wings to complete my other one. Glad that they introduced the keychain because it does give us something else bumble bee to collect. Sad that they only made two per 60 figs. Maybe they could release it in a small set to satisfy folks who missed it the first time. 

    Looks like I will have to check the values of my other CMF's and trade a few of the valuable ones for another bumble bee or two. It would be wonderful if they would produce equal values of every fig in the case so this problem would not arise with the rarer ones; but then the ones that more folks covet would cost a fortune. Or just make the darn bags transparent so no one will buy the ones they don't want. I am tired of this game of trying to find the ones I want, which usually are the rarer figs. Nuff said...
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  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,868
    I have never had a problem finding any figure I want in quantity at retail stores. It's not hard, however it does take effort. If you don't have a license or reliable / anytime transportation it can be much harder so I can understand that.  Usually you can buy even "rare" figures online while they are current at reasonable prices. For older figures you just have to pay what the market will bear or trade. LEGO is not going to package them in clear packages because that would defeat the purpose. No sense even wishing for it. 
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    Not sure why more people aren't pointing out that cutting off the chain doesn't give you the cmf because she is missing her honey. Having a hole or not is basically irrelevant when a key unique element is missing.
  • dragon114dragon114 United StatesMember Posts: 632
    hope the price drop soon becuse i need her and bunny suit guy to complete my animal suit collection
  • BOBJACK_JACKBOBBOBJACK_JACKBOB ScotlandMember Posts: 456
    CCC said:

    If someone wants a cheap keychain version instead of the real thing, then they might as well buy the chinese knock-off version that already exists.
    CCC said:

    If that is snobby elitist crap,
    No if's about it. It is.
    then you may as well discuss gluing 1x4 bricks together to make genuine but rare 1x8 bricks, or using cheaper clones instead of expensive Lego.
    I'd rather talk about the original issue, thank you very much.
    The fact remains, a broken keychain is not a genuine CMF. It may look the same, but it is different.
    Really? To me, and to a hell of a lot of others, one is a Lego Bumblebee Girl, the other is a Lego Bumblebee Girl.
    If someone is happy with the cheaper alternative when the real thing is available, that is fine. But don't call it what it isn't.
    You're the one calling it the equivalent of a fake
    I doubt there will be many people that value the CMF as a collection that will use a keychain one, just as they won't use a fake one. Why? Because they'll know they have cheated / skimped to complete their collection. Their valued collection has less value because of it.
    And what percentage of Lego buyers is that? A tiny minority. This doesn't even apply to all Afols nevermind kids.
    There will be others that will be happy with a broken keychain version, 
    Yeah, these are the people you said might as well buy a fake instead. I describe myself as an Afol. Adult FAN of Lego - not adult collector of Lego. But according to you I might as well buy fakes? Like I said before, snobbery.
    but I doubt those people would have ever bought the real thing. Thus the price is not likely to change. Someone buying a broken keychain has as much effect on the secondary market price as someone buying a fake. Next to none, as they were never in the market for one. 
    Wrong. I have bought many items on the secondary market, including CMFs (series 1 crash test dummy for example). But I never bought the series one Magician, even though I missed him at the time. I was planning to but then I realised I didn't need to. I made my own. The body from the bride & groom set is the same, got a wand from a friends set, a top hat and a random spare head came from the build a minifig section in a Lego shop. I was in the market for one but now I'm not. Because I have a magician.
    Whether people believe something is real or not affects the price, in answer to your first sentence.
    I agree. But that is up to the individual. You don't get to decide for them.

    P.S. Genuine thanks for giving me the opportunity to finally figure out how to do quotes. I've never bothered to work it out before.

    Bob

  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,631
    edited December 2015
    I wouldn't consider your Magician minifig to be a CMF.  It's a customer figure you made to simulate a CMF.

    It's not fake Lego pieces, bit that is the very definition of a custom.  If you tried to sell or trade that to me without identifying it as a custom, we would have a problem.

    The Bee Girl keychain is not a CMF.  

    And we are only referencing people that specifically collect genuine CMFs.  It's silly to cite Lego civilians who have no idea what a collector may pay on the secondary market.

    If you were to identify your Magician as a CMF, that would be disengenuous.   That's the point.

    There's a MOC/Bricklinked Cafe Corner on eBay that doesn't command even half of the value of a used original Cafe Corner.  If I were to pay market value for an item an discover it is not as it appears, that-s clearly wrong.
    gmonkey76
  • CupIsHalfEmptyCupIsHalfEmpty CanadaMember Posts: 547
    The Keychain is made from the same genuine parts as regular Minifigure. Which means its a damaged genuine minifigure. This is far removed from the realm of fake lego. Fake is sub quality and infringes on Legos copyrights. I 100% agree that owning a damaged genuine minifigure is not the same as owning the original version. Both collection and value wise. I would hope nobody would ever try to sell a Keychain version as anything other than a Keychain version as its value is significantly reduced.

    The introduction of the keychain will not allow the completion of a completionists collection of cmfs. However it "may" satisfy the casual persons desires to "own" the bumblebee minifigure. This would remove that person from the market for a undamaged cmf version with the honey pot. 

    I agree with the argument of the value of the wings being irrevalent to the value of the original. so at this point I don't think the value of the original will decrease just the volume of sales will decrease by the number of people no longer in the market for the bumblebee. Fans will always want the original and the original hasn't been rereleased so it supply has not been increased. This means status quo unless a glut of sellers come in and need to sell quickly to a slightly smaller demand.

     I've only used Keychain figs to suppliment my minifigure collection once and that was for the ninja turtles. I bought the four turtle keychains because it was easier and cheaper at the time than sourcing the original figures. Im the first to point out they have holes in their heads and would never claim they are anything other than the Keychain parts. But for my MOCs they look just fine to me and I'm not in the market to replace them as I don't care about them enough to warrant anything more than the genuine lego Keychain versions.

    Last point.  I would never own or purchase a fake/knockoff minifigure that was made and sold by another company. 
    BOBJACK_JACKBOB
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    edited December 2015
    This thread has clearly divided opinion about how to collect cmfs. Let's not even bother getting into keeping them sealed and such. But I genuinely can't belive there is someone out there that would both a) be happy with a glued hole in the head, incomplete(!) cmf for their 'collection' (and I call it that loosely) and b)  pay £30 for a minifigure. These are obviously not the same people and therefore it will have no impact on the price of the cmf (the argument). The evidence for this is quite clear from what @BOBJACK_JACKBOB says - he is happy to make a 'magician like' figure rather than pay for one (not in the market for expensive complete minifigures). Lots of collectors wouldn't dream of doing this (in the market for them).
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,416
    ^^^^  and did the availability of the magic wand, which allows people to put together a custom magician minifigure but not the CMF magician, affect the price of the magician CMF? I seem to remember not much. People after a magician minifig are not the same market as people after the magician CMF. However, the price of the cmf was affected when large quantities of the heads became available, just because it was last part that was needed to assemble ones exactly the same as the original.

    When the cheerleader and skater were rereleased in the calendar set, they affected the price of the original a little as they were the same as the original. They weren't much cheaper than the secondary market price though, so the effect was quite small,  although when they went on sale there were lots available. Fortunately for sellers this coincided with lots of new collectors so they were still easy to get rid of. 

    The only way I see the price of the genuine CMF  bumble bee changing is if someone is able to steal large quantities of parts before they are assembled, or at least the headgear.

    The good news is that it seems at least Lego has the molds and will hopefully reuse that headgear again. Unless of course they made large quantities of them before deciding it was going to be a rare figure so had loads left and need to do something with them.
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    CCC said:

    People after a magician minifig are not the same market as people after the magician CMF.
    This is essentially the same argument as whether a BrickLinked set counts as being the set or not. Unless it remains sealed, nobody but except the person who unsealed it will ever know the difference. So a magician is a magician, unless you opened the bag, in which case you can have the smug feeling that it's a genuine CMF; a future buyer can only hope.

    The mistake was to call a keychain a fake. The word's too emotive. It's a genuine LEGO keychain. It's only a fake if somebody calls it a minifig, CMF or not. A keychain has passed that stage in it's life and can never go back. It has been terminally modified. Furthermore, it's not a minifig because minifigs can be taken apart, and a keychain cannot. And if, as is usually the case, it's not actually glued but effectively welded together, that is an absolute - it cannot ever be returned to being a minifig. That does not necessarily exclude being able to recover some parts, like the bumblebee wings, if they're only held on by the head.

    There's a further issue with keychains. For a while at least, keychains weren't made from the same parts as minifigs. For example, some arms were embosssed on the inside.  That probably depends on the figure in question. However it has to be a general rule that, when trying to assemble any set, it may well be possible for someone to subsequently prove that it is not original based on some tiny difference in the parts used - and once the information is known, anyone can do it.

    People can collect whatever they wish, but it is wrong to call them something which they are not.
    BOBJACK_JACKBOB
  • BOBJACK_JACKBOBBOBJACK_JACKBOB ScotlandMember Posts: 456

    SumoLego said:
    I wouldn't consider your Magician minifig to be a CMF.  It's a customer figure you made to simulate a CMF.
    Agreed. I never said it was. I said it is a Lego Magician. My point is that this, to me, doesn't make it any less of a Lego Magician than a CMF Lego Magician. Just as the Keyring Bee Girl is not any less "Lego" than a CMF Bee Girl. But others have derisively stated that it would be no better than a fake.
    It's not fake Lego pieces, bit that is the very definition of a custom.  If you tried to sell or trade that to me without identifying it as a custom, we would have a problem.
    Agreed, but there's no chance I would ever do that because I realise that people's definition and value of Lego sometimes differ from my own.
    The Bee Girl keychain is not a CMF.
    Again I agree. Never said it was. But both ARE Lego Bee Girls.
    And we are only referencing people that specifically collect genuine CMFs.  It's silly to cite Lego civilians who have no idea what a collector may pay on the secondary market.
    No. This quote "If someone wants a cheap keychain version instead of the real thing, then they might as well buy the chinese knock-off version" does not reference anyone in particular, rather it includes everyone who might consider buying a keyring in it's statement.
    The CMF collector? Might as well buy a fake.
    An AFOL who wants a Lego Bumblebee Girl? Might as well buy a fake.
    The parent whose child wants a Bumblebee Girl? Might as well buy a fake.
    If you were to identify your Magician as a CMF, that would be disengenuous.   That's the point.
    It's not my point. My point is that I have a Lego Magician and for someone to dismiss that as no better than a fake smacks of snobbery.
    There's a MOC/Bricklinked Cafe Corner on eBay that doesn't command even half of the value of a used original Cafe Corner.  If I were to pay market value for an item an discover it is not as it appears, that-s clearly wrong.
    Agreed. But if you were to buy the MOC/Bricklinked item on the understanding that it wasn't an original, for a fair price and then someone says that your Lego item is no better than a fake... I think that shows an arrogance that reflects badly on them.

    Bob
    Amanda1983
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343

    Agreed. I never said it was. I said it is a Lego Magician. My point is that this, to me, doesn't make it any less of a Lego Magician than a CMF Lego Magician. Just as the Keyring Bee Girl is not any less "Lego" than a CMF Bee Girl. But others have derisively stated that it would be no better than a fake.
    Nobody made any adverse comments about your magician, other than it's not a CMF - which it isn't.

    The "fake" comment was directed at your keyring - which isn't a minifig but a keyring. Butchering a keyring does not give you a minifig, in the same way that modifying anything else produced by TLG does not give you a LEGO part.

    I think that shows an arrogance
    It's not arrogance. Pedantry, maybe.
  • Renegade007cjhRenegade007cjh Essex, UKMember Posts: 683
    Come on guys, play nice. My original post was just to make people aware that the Bumblebee Girl was being released and my question re: value was just idle speculation... for some reason the thread has deteriorated into tit for tat snarky comments and bitchiness, which is not really called for. 'Tis the season and all that...
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  • norm103norm103 Member Posts: 278
    How do we know these aren't just left over CMF that there turning into key rings?  
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    Come on guys, play nice.
    I think you're on the wrong forum :-(

    My original post was just to make people aware that the Bumblebee Girl was being released and my question re: value was just idle speculation... for some reason the thread has deteriorated into tit for tat snarky comments and bitchiness, which is not really called for. 'Tis the season and all that...
    The general consensus seems to be that, unless the wings can be salvaged, it is a different beast, albeit one that some may find aesthetically pleasing or even avidly seek.
  • BOBJACK_JACKBOBBOBJACK_JACKBOB ScotlandMember Posts: 456
    edited December 2015
    @Renegade007cjh Fair enough. Apologies for my part in that.

    I think we all agree that the value of the CMF Bumblebee Girl could fall, but only very slightly and probably not at all, as a result of the Keyring being released.

    Goodwill and seasons greetings to all fellow members of this forum, especially the ones who have engaged with me in this thread.

    Bob
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  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    norm103 said:

    How do we know these aren't just left over CMF that there turning into key rings?  
    That's possible. But once modified, they aren't CMFs, or even minifigs, any more.

    However, it's more likely that it was recognised as being popular and the sort of thing that virtually anyone would appreciate.
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    There's another twist to this.

    Apparently, (some) (new) keychains are completely different from normal minifigs, and made from different parts.

    The torso doesn't have a neck but has a hole instead. The legs have a post that goes up through the torso, forming the neck, and goes into the head. The metal keychain itself goes through the top of the head into this post. I don't know whether the head is the same or not, although it still has a hole in the top.

    This means several things. Firstly it means that they do not have to be glued or welded, which is presumably the main reason for doing it. Secondly, the legs and torso, and possibly the head, are not interchangeable with those of a standard minifig, which might resolve some licensing issues. It also means that buying a keychain and "converting" it is a lot more obvious, and that including one in a collection of supposed minifigs is even more dubious than before.
  • Renegade007cjhRenegade007cjh Essex, UKMember Posts: 683
    Can you believe it: "Call to check availability" already. Was waiting for the sale to start at [email protected] before ordering, but missed my chance. Hopefully they'll get some more in, considering it was only available from 26th Dec...
  • joel4motionjoel4motion United KingdomMember Posts: 959
    edited January 2016
    @Renegade007cjh they've got a few at Watford if you want one? I'll be there for another half hour.
    Renegade007cjh
  • Renegade007cjhRenegade007cjh Essex, UKMember Posts: 683
    @Renegade007cjh they've got a few at Watford if you want one? I'll be there for another half hour.
    Thanks @joel4motion - I'd definitely like two if they have them! Much appreciated.
  • iplanteiplante USMember Posts: 164
    Saw those at the MOA Lego store. They also had Hot Dog Guy as a keychain. 
  • LegoTTLegoTT Member Posts: 479
    iplante said:
    Saw those at the MOA Lego store. They also had Hot Dog Guy as a keychain. 
    Interesting!  Was the Hot Dog piece glued to the figure? I'm assuming that whole figure is glued.
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    LegoTT said:
    iplante said:
    Saw those at the MOA Lego store. They also had Hot Dog Guy as a keychain. 
    Interesting!  Was the Hot Dog piece glued to the figure? I'm assuming that whole figure is glued.
    As I mentioned earlier, it appears that the latest keychains aren't glued, just held together with the metal part being directly connected to the legs.

    And wandering past a brand store earlier, on a brief and hurried examination of a random keychain, it didn't appear to be a minifig at all.
  • iplanteiplante USMember Posts: 164
    @LegoTT, I didn't really spend time looking at it too closely, sorry.
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