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2016 Modular Building

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  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,724
    Not to mention LEGO included it in their#10230 Mini Modulars lineup.  Of course MS is a Modular.
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  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    edited October 2015
    Brew said:
    I wish they would re-release the IF. I have one NISB in my closet and it's really hard for me to crack it open and build it cause it's worth so much. I'm kidding of course (not about have a constant internal debate about opening it, but the re-release part).

    I collect Lego sets because they are unique, hardly ever replicated, and have value. I would hate it if re-releasing became more common.

    -Notice I said nothing about reselling...
    You didn't explicitly say it no, but you did say your open/don't open it dilemma is based on its exceptional worth, so yeah, you were talking about reselling :)

    Btw, I'd sell it and buy multiple other exceptional sets.
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  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    Same as the UCS SW line, I stand by Brickset's official list for Modulars:

    http://brickset.com/sets/theme-Advanced-Models/subtheme-Modular-Buildings
    dafish
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,343
    If they are releasing a $275.00 landmark set, does this finally mean the end of the Tower Bridge?

    I'm giddy!

    Those rainbow Market Square modulars just confirm that it muy-muy suckalot.  

    But where are the rainbow Space Skulls?
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,343
    ^^ That's only going to require @Huw to correct the database...
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  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    1265 said:

    I'm convinced that...
    Then nobody is going to change that. Most people who are interested in the topic are equally convinced - whatever their view - and you're not going to change that either.

    The only thing that might change is that you change your own mind. Or you may believe your case is even stronger. People have been arguing about this for eight years. There are eight years worth of newsgroup (which were still very much alive at the time) and discussion board posts for you to read, which go over the same arguments, from both sides, again and again and again and again. Keep reading, though, because occasionally somebody comes up with something new. But then you have to ask which is more valid - those new arguments or what was said at the time.

    You might also like to read various interviews with Erik Brok.
    dougtsSumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,343
    Woah, a newsgroup reference.  
  • CM4SCM4S United StatesMember Posts: 1,309
    So, how 'bout that new modular?
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,887
    So what does everyone think the new modular will be? What is your wish list? If they were gonna re-release just one modular what would your vote be? If they don't re-release one and I am forced to brick link the sets I want, does that actually count as owning the set? Also, which modular would you buy right now if you were just getting started? Lastly, hypothetically speaking, if you were going to buy a set or 10 to "invest" in, which one(s) would you pick? I'm asking for a friend. (Should I just create a new thread for each of these questions?).  =)
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  • CircleKCircleK U.S. - Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 1,055
    edited October 2015
    Thinking out loud. If this next release is a corner then I hope the main entrance isn't on the corner itself as it was with CC, GE, and PC. A main entrance on each side could be cool and a nice change from the same old - same old.  Sometimes a corner should just be a corner. 
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  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    CircleK said:
    Thinking out loud. If this next release is a corner then I hope the main entrance isn't on the corner itself as it was with CC, GE, and PC. A main entrance on each side could be cool and a nice change from the same old - same old.  Sometimes a corner should just be a corner. 
     You know I was thinking this exact same thing the other day 
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  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,391
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  • jdylakjdylak Member Posts: 281
    Since I have MS, it is a mod. If I didn't have it, it wouldn't be. There, game over.
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  • The_Mad_VulcanThe_Mad_Vulcan SeattleMember Posts: 162
    Perhaps the 2016 Modular will be a re-release of Market Street. 
  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,279
    On the topic of a re-release, let's all the honest here, the reason why anyone really gets bent out of shape over a re-release is because they are worried as to how it will affect the value of their original. Whether you have just the one you've carefully looked after, or a dozen in storage for reselling, either way, your issue is you want maximum return for your original & a re-release will potentially lessen than return. This isn't as much about missing out on a 'new' modular, it's more about losing potential value on a current item. Just remember, there is always risk with investing, with the re-release of WVTS, things just got a bit riskier, you can stick with it or cut your losses & get out.

    As for the insanity about adding interior items to a Cafe Corner re-release would bring up the cost of the re-release more than inflation (we're talking market forces here, the aftermarket is part of the inflation equation), well the original goes for approximately US$650-700 on eBay. Seriously, who taught you math, cause none of the modulars at retail have costed that much. At most, a Cafe Corner re-release with interior might be as much as Pet Shop, maybe a little bit more.

    Lastly, those wanting TLG to re-release sets may be seen as somewhat self-entitled, but it's no more or less than those demanding that TLG never re-release or rehash of those same sets.
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  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    Please allow me to respond.

    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
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  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    On the topic of a re-release, let's all the honest here, the reason why anyone really gets bent out of shape over a re-release is because they are worried as to how it will affect the value of their original.
    100% incorrect
    This isn't as much about missing out on a 'new' modular

    actually, yes it is

     being honest here
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  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    edited October 2015
    VorpalRyu said:
    Lastly, those wanting TLG to re-release sets may be seen as somewhat self-entitled, but it's no more or less than those demanding that TLG never re-release or rehash of those same sets.
    by the application of any sort of sound logic, advocating for re-releases is actually the more self serving position to take.  if a new design is released, exactly 100% of potential customers are presented with an opportunity to buy a new design not already owned.  but if a re-release is done instead, then only some percentage of potential customers less than 100% are presented with that option. the rest already own the previous release and are therefore highly likely to be dissatisfied with the option to buy a set they basically already own.  the option that provides a new purchasing opportunity to 100% of people is inherently more selfless than the one that provides that option to less than 100%

    note that if LEGO were to release BOTH a new modular and a re-release, then i would of course have no major issue with that and my position stated here becomes moot.

    i was in my dark ages for 20 years.  i missed out on the chance to buy thousands of different set, including the first 2.5 (MS) modulars.  so what?  LEGO puts out 600+ new sets per year, so there is plenty to look forward to.  no one can own everything, so just look forward to cool new stuff on the horizon and stop lamenting the ones that got away.
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  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,135
    VorpalRyu said:
    On the topic of a re-release, let's all the honest here, the reason why anyone really gets bent out of shape over a re-release is because they are worried as to how it will affect the value of their original. Whether you have just the one you've carefully looked after, or a dozen in storage for reselling, either way, your issue is you want maximum return for your original & a re-release will potentially lessen than return.
    I'm not so sure. That is probably part of the reason. But then there is also the feeling of having something that few other people have. If you love the set and will never ever sell, a re-release should not affect you in the slightest. However, there is the feeling that if they re-release it, then it is slightly less special. You no longer have to be one of the early adopters of the modular club to have one (or paid an arm and a leg to join the club late.)

    Take things like the lego staff "business card" minifigures. Imagine if they started selling them at £2.49 each like CMFs. What was once something special, obtained only by a few, soon becomes nothing special.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,135
    Brew said:
    I wish they would re-release the IF. I have one NISB in my closet and it's really hard for me to crack it open and build it cause it's worth so much. I'm kidding of course (not about have a constant internal debate about opening it, but the re-release part).

    I collect Lego sets because they are unique, hardly ever replicated, and have value. I would hate it if re-releasing became more common.

    -Notice I said nothing about reselling...
    You said nothing about reselling, but you did mention value. What is the point of it having value if you are not going to sell it? In fact, it would be better if the value tanked. (1) Your insurance premiums on it (and your whole collection) would go down. (2) You wouldn't feel that you cannot open it due to value. (3) You would be able to buy more of the same and have fun with them.

  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    edited October 2015
    Given our penchant to rehash the same old arguments again and again, you'd think we'd have less resistance to LEGO rehashing the same old sets. 

    I'm right in thinking that there isn't even a rumour of a re-release modular being in the works though right? 

    Did someone mention gun control?
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  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,279
    dougts said:
    On the topic of a re-release, let's all the honest here, the reason why anyone really gets bent out of shape over a re-release is because they are worried as to how it will affect the value of their original.
    100% incorrect
    I'm not talking about those who would be unhappy or upset, I was referring to those who rabidly shout down the mere concept of a re-release, threaten to quit modulars should TLG do so, etc. The ones that you half expect them to say 'shut up fool, I will cut you...' Those individuals, & there have been a few on this topic, they are all about the value of their sets. I have invested in some stuff for reselling, but should TLG do a re-release, I took a risk & if it doesn't pay off, well that's my problem. I have several SDCC sets & minifigures for my personal collection, but if TLG released them as regular sets, would I be angry? No, because more people would get to enjoy those sets...

    dougts said:
    VorpalRyu said:
    Lastly, those wanting TLG to re-release sets may be seen as somewhat self-entitled, but it's no more or less than those demanding that TLG never re-release or rehash of those same sets.
    by the application of any sort of sound logic, advocating for re-releases is actually the more self serving position to take.  if a new design is released, exactly 100% of potential customers are presented with an opportunity to buy a new design not already owned.  but if a re-release is done instead, then only some percentage of potential customers less than 100% are presented with that option. the rest already own the previous release and are therefore highly likely to be dissatisfied with the option to buy a set they basically already own.  the option that provides a new purchasing opportunity to 100% of people is inherently more selfless than the one that provides that option to less than 100%

    note that if LEGO were to release BOTH a new modular and a re-release, then i would of course have no major issue with that and my position stated here becomes moot.

    i was in my dark ages for 20 years.  i missed out on the chance to buy thousands of different set, including the first 2.5 (MS) modulars.  so what?  LEGO puts out 600+ new sets per year, so there is plenty to look forward to.  no one can own everything, so just look forward to cool new stuff on the horizon and stop lamenting the ones that got away.
    People like yourself (whom I wouldn't label self-entitled), aren't who I was referring to, realistically, those I have mentioned above, are far more self-entitled, they are all about their profit margins, what anyone else wants be damned. So, averaging it out, people like yourself on the other end of that scale, both sides of the argument are effectively on par in terms of self-entitlement...
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  • brumeybrumey AustriaMember Posts: 994
    they could make re-releases of past sets with some little changes made into the set! like other color schemes. and sell it as an "special expert collector edition" or something ...

    so the collectors already owning the set and the new crowd both are happy
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    VorpalRyu said:
    On the topic of a re-release, let's all the honest here, the reason why anyone really gets bent out of shape over a re-release is because they are worried as to how it will affect the value of their original. Whether you have just the one you've carefully looked after, or a dozen in storage for reselling, either way, your issue is you want maximum return for your original & a re-release will potentially lessen than return. This isn't as much about missing out on a 'new' modular, it's more about losing potential value on a current item. Just remember, there is always risk with investing, with the re-release of WVTS, things just got a bit riskier, you can stick with it or cut your losses & get out.
    As far as I'm concerned, it would not bother me in the slightest if TLG re-released any past set if it was, to most intents and purposes, identical. That includes things like #41999 that has an individual number - as long as they didn't just you use a copy of my number for every new set! I know many older sets have an inflated value, but that is virtually meaningless - an idle curiosity, nothing more.

    I would, however, be concerned if they produced a new modular that is very similar to an existing one - as with the Toy Shop (fortunately, I don't collect Winter Village). I wouldn't want two similar buildings.

    Currently I collect modulars - each year I make a point of buying each one, but I've only made some of them so far. If the series was broken by something I didn't want to buy - like a similar building - I wouldn't collect them any more, automatically buying them as they were released; I would simply buy what particularly interested me as I do with most other themes.

    I used that dreaded word "identical". #8041 and #42041 are probably the nearest we've come to that in recent times. There are 16 parts where a newer moulding has been used, which I wouldn't consider a difference. The three crankshaft centres, have changed colour. Strictly speaking, they are not identical, but it is such a trivial change that I'd ignore it. The two space shuttles, however, are definitely not identical. Clearly, that is subjective; where other people draw the line is up to them.

    An interesting quirk...

    If Market Street was re-released but as a Creator Expert set and the next modular, completionists who haven't regarded it as a modular it would buy it. However, those who already regard it as a modular, and have it, would have a bit of a dilemma - particularly if it was slightly different. Would they consider that they already have it (which, strictly speaking, they don't), or would they buy it and have two similar buildings?

    There have been suggestions that the Toy Shop was re-released either because they ran out of ideas or ran out of time. If that happened with the modulars, Market Street might be the obvious candidate to fill the gap.
    Matthew
  • dafishdafish Copenhagen, not too far from BillundMember Posts: 35
    good grief, where's this discussion going...still I'm hoping for a corner (yes, two lateral entrances) bank or post office (sigh). And, no I would never ever sell my modulars.
  • dafishdafish Copenhagen, not too far from BillundMember Posts: 35
    SumoLego said:
    ^^ That's only going to require @Huw to correct the database...
    ^^Don't even think about it!^^

    after all the market street can be considered some pre-cursor of LEGO ideas
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,391
    People collect things for many different reasons and one of them is because of the value of the item. Take art for instance; there are many paintings and sculptures that are hideous, but there are people that only buy them because they are valuable. I think that most people covet the MS because of this reason. The "Modular" is ugly and inferior to all the other Modulars. I don't care that the "designer" was working with limited parts and color palettes; the set is awful. I don't know what is harder to look at; my Pink Haunted House or the Market Street.

     I never considered the MS part of the Modular theme a few years ago, so I sold it. Why did I buy it? Because I bought most everything that came out back then. Many of us have bought sets they regret buying. When DA came out, I found out that MS was indeed part of the Modular line and that is the reason why I regret selling it because I am a completionist. With that said I would be pissed if the re released the Market Street, if in fact, it takes a spot of a new Modular. 
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  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,724
    Pitfall69 said:

    Yes, you're one Mod short now you've sold it.  Plank!
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  • RidzDesignRidzDesign Member Posts: 30
    I think the original question was what would you LIKE to see as a new modular set... 

    I think we have gotten WAY far from that... 
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    edited October 2015
    Just to throw this out there... Why are all the collectors not upset about rereleases of minifigures?  There are many versions of SW minifigures, many even with only a few extra printed wrinkles.  Are they not bothered because maybe the value of minifigures is small compared to modulars, or maybe it is because it seems to have little impact on the price of those coveted rare minifigures (Cloud City Boba isn't even the best Boba) or maybe it is something else.  I don't know, and I only ever buys sets I like regardless of having the earlier or later sets so it doesn't make any odds to me.  I only keep popping in as this thread is the hot topic at the moment.
    Either way, original MS owners should be praying for a rerelease.  Then it would prove categorically it was a modular and your original would sky rocket in price as collectors tried to complete their sets having ignored it until now.
  • dafishdafish Copenhagen, not too far from BillundMember Posts: 35
    edited October 2015
    it's not about values here and in there, it's about addiction, collector's locurra, about bringing back childhood, about gathering colourful and nice little items, about playing with your children, about madness and retreating to your attic and play, it's about the most inspired and inspiring toy ever...

    and by the way, LEGO will never ever release the MS because it is ugly (and by another way will never be a modular)^^
    BrickDancer
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    MattsWhat said:

    Just to throw this out there... Why are all the collectors not upset about rereleases of minifigures?
    Presumably because they are able to collect all versions. That gets expensive with large sets.
    MattsWhat said:

    Either way, original MS owners should be praying for a rerelease.  Then it would prove categorically it was a modular and your original would sky rocket in price as collectors tried to complete their sets having ignored it until now.
    Nothing proves anything, that's the whole problem with any of the "evidence". To some people it tells them they're right; to others, it's an irrelevance.

    All that a re-branded re-release would prove is that the new version is part of the series; it would say nothing about the old one. Anyone who currently believes the old one is not part of the series would probably continue to do so and just buy the new one.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,135
    MattsWhat said:
    Just to throw this out there... Why are all the collectors not upset about rereleases of minifigures?  There are many versions of SW minifigures, many even with only a few extra printed wrinkles. 
    I don't think it has to do with value. Many minifigure collectors like the release of multiple variations of the same character (within reason), so long as it is not in place of other new characters. Batman has probably gone a bit far now, but I'd prefer to get sets with new versions of him in different suits with other new characters, than sets with the same old Batman in. And we all know Batman sells sets to kids.

    Personally, I don't really understand why some people need to collect every minor variation. Sure, it means you can tick off a list of all of them as compiled by bricklink. But to me the minor variations don't matter.

    I am LOTR and Hobbit complete (sets and minifigs) up to the release of Dimensions. However, I'm not going to buy dimensions sets for the minifigs. I cannot see the point in it. If they made something new, then I'd buy it. But not the same old minifigs with printing on one side of the head only, or minor torso change. I don't really see the point of the update to the design when they are so minor. As it is, I don't display every version of Gandalf the Grey for example, just one. What's the point of displaying one with a cloak and one without, for example. Having another one means nothing to me. Having one with a slightly different face print, when most of it is covered up anyway is nothing. I won't be able to tick dim001 of the list of LOTR characters I own, but it's not a big deal.

  • dafishdafish Copenhagen, not too far from BillundMember Posts: 35
    edited October 2015
    @ccc, "Personally, I don't really understand why some people need to collect every minor variation. Sure, it means you can tick off a list of all of them as compiled by bricklink. But to me the minor variations don't matter."

    It's not much different from collecting stamps, believe me. But I'm still under the impression that the majority of folks gathered here are not the classical collectors but rather inspired by the ingenious toys you get by putting together - bricks!
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,391
    edited October 2015
    MattsWhat said:
    Just to throw this out there... Why are all the collectors not upset about rereleases of minifigures?  There are many versions of SW minifigures, many even with only a few extra printed wrinkles.  Are they not bothered because maybe the value of minifigures is small compared to modulars, or maybe it is because it seems to have little impact on the price of those coveted rare minifigures (Cloud City Boba isn't even the best Boba) or maybe it is something else.  I don't know, and I only ever buys sets I like regardless of having the earlier or later sets so it doesn't make any odds to me.  I only keep popping in as this thread is the hot topic at the moment.
    Either way, original MS owners should be praying for a rerelease.  Then it would prove categorically it was a modular and your original would sky rocket in price as collectors tried to complete their sets having ignored it until now.
    You are confusung "re release" with "rehash". Cloud City Boba was never Re Released; he is still unique. This was discussed a few comments ago.
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  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,391

    I think the original question was what would you LIKE to see as a new modular set... 

    I think we have gotten WAY far from that... 
    I don't think it is WAY off; some people want the next Modular to be a re release of MS.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    edited October 2015
    Re-released sets greedily take the place of new designs, those which push the hobby forward with innovative new parts and creative building techniques.  It's a lazy, uninspired and short-sighted practice that Lego, a company that prides itself on fostering creativity, should be ashamed of themselves for.

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  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,135
    dafish said:

    It's not much different from collecting stamps, believe me. But I'm still under the impression that the majority of folks gathered here are not the classical collectors but rather inspired by the ingenious toys you get by putting together - bricks!
    I find the opposite. It seems to me brickset has more classical collectors than MOCers, whereas Eurobricks is the other way around.
    Rsa33
  • dafishdafish Copenhagen, not too far from BillundMember Posts: 35
    warrants a new threat...
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    @VorpalRyu your broad statements about value or money being the main conflicting factor of why others are against re-releases is incorrect and I can personally say for myself that it has no bearing in my opinion. Why would it's value matter if I never intend to sell? Your bias says more about your own views and insecurities about money than it reflects others reality, I hope you can see that before you tar others with simple statements like that.
    dafish
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    Re-released sets greedily take the place of new designs, those which push the hobby forward with innovative new parts and creative building techniques.  It's a lazy, uninspired and short-sighted practice that Lego, a company that prides itself on fostering creativity, should be ashamed of themselves for.
    It doesn't necessarily take the place of anything.

    TLG have a finite capacity for designing new sets, a process that takes a long time. If they find themselves with spare production capacity, they are not going to let the machines stand idle. If they produce more of an existing set, you wouldn't even notice; if it's an earlier set for which they think there might still be some demand, then you complain about it. There's actually no difference.

    Maybe that doesn't seem ideal - and they might even agree, but it presumably works for them.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    As for minifig variations, they are more along the lines of rehashing a set with some changes, so is less egregious than carbon copying hundreds of bricks near exactly. That's why it's oddly a joy to get a new Batman/Ironman/Luke print even those there's already a dozen others. In fact I'm nearly complete for SW & SH including all the little minor variants of say a different grin, different cowl size, plain hips/colored hips, etc. So no, I'm not bothered by them releasing a different Green Arrow or Green Lantern just because I already own all the SDCC versions, as they are still essentially different & unique.
  • BrewBrew New Mexico (It's an actual state in the US)Member Posts: 182
    CCC said:
    Brew said:
    I wish they would re-release the IF. I have one NISB in my closet and it's really hard for me to crack it open and build it cause it's worth so much. I'm kidding of course (not about have a constant internal debate about opening it, but the re-release part).

    I collect Lego sets because they are unique, hardly ever replicated, and have value. I would hate it if re-releasing became more common.

    -Notice I said nothing about reselling...
    You said nothing about reselling, but you did mention value. What is the point of it having value if you are not going to sell it? In fact, it would be better if the value tanked. (1) Your insurance premiums on it (and your whole collection) would go down. (2) You wouldn't feel that you cannot open it due to value. (3) You would be able to buy more of the same and have fun with them.
    Sure, I guess 'value' may be only determined by the amount of money it's worth if you were to re-sell it, however I feel it's a little deeper than that. Why would it sell for a lot more than RRP? Maybe because it's difficult to obtain, highly desired, and/or has some intrinsic value such as precious metal. I will never sell it and so my internal debate as to build it or not is rather moot I suppose (I will build it, just waiting for my kids to get a little older). But in the end, it is a highly 'valued' piece in my collection because it is rare and highly desired by many within the Lego community. It will also be a very nice display piece for others not 'in' the Lego community. One of those rare "That's Lego?!" pieces. Modulars are like that too.

    If TLG re-released this (or other set with similar qualities), I feel like it would destroy the value in terms of rarity, and a bit in the desirability (people desire things more if they can't get them easily for some reason). Of course re-sale value would also go down, but that would be because of rarity and desirability.

    I'm sure people will still argue that I am still hung up on re-sale value and maybe they're right. But I feel like it's the underlying reasons why I value it such and re-sale value is only an indicator that others value it similarly.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,135
    Brew said:

    If TLG re-released this (or other set with similar qualities), I feel like it would destroy the value in terms of rarity, and a bit in the desirability (people desire things more if they can't get them easily for some reason). Of course re-sale value would also go down, but that would be because of rarity and desirability.

    I'm sure people will still argue that I am still hung up on re-sale value and maybe they're right. But I feel like it's the underlying reasons why I value it such and re-sale value is only an indicator that others value it similarly.
    Actually, I'm with you. It is the "special" nature of having something that someone else doesn't have (as noted in the post previous to the one you quoted.)

  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    Brew said:

    If TLG re-released this (or other set with similar qualities), I feel like it would destroy the value in terms of rarity
    Do you know how many were produced? If they had produced double the number, would you know? I doubt it. Would it change the rarity? Seeing as you don't know how many were produced in the first place, I don't see how it could. So, if they now went on to produce double the number, is that any different? Is it likely to change how many you are going to see every day?

    Is rarity actually what you value or is it the coolness?
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,475
    I think there is a lot of pie in the sky thinking over re-releasing a set brick for brick.
    Lets just put aside the fact that many older sets had parts that are no longer available to use to make a brick for brick copy of the set (like the hoses and doors for MS and CC and also I believe those 2x4x2 Dark red windows to name two examples in the CC) so that would likely make those sets a bit more expensive, OR not be made 'identical' in which case if there are glaring omissions due to lack of that original part, is it really that set (at least Toy shop looks near identical to the original)?
    People are also assuming these more expensive remade sets (by virtue of inflation, these sets were last sold about 7 years ago after all) will sell like hotcakes. The problem is this. Does LEGO want to invest heavily in a remake of a set from 7-8 years ago and HOPE it sells as well as a new mod?
    Sure they remade Toy shop, but that is a set that is fairly low risk compared to a mod. It is a seasonal set, where you have many folks that want them under a Christmas tree or mantle. Not sure many can say that about a Mod. The set is under 100 USD, which I think makes it something that folks would buy as a decoration. Can you say a Mod, at 159.99 is really the same?

    Finally, as others have noted these sets are outdated. I think those not around when these sets were out do not realize that they did not sell well. Especially Market street, and if it did not sell well at 90 USD, what makes you think it would sell well at 129.99 USD (or higher) because I seriously doubt it would be only 90 USD today. Cafe Corner was constantly on sale as well. Now could Cafe Corner, now likely a 159.99 USD set still sell well? Maybe and maybe not, and I think LEGO would be more concerned with the maybe not and either sitting on extra sets forever or having to find a way to discount them when the US has a ban on exclusives being discounted.

  • dafishdafish Copenhagen, not too far from BillundMember Posts: 35
    CCC said:
    dafish said:

    It's not much different from collecting stamps, believe me. But I'm still under the impression that the majority of folks gathered here are not the classical collectors but rather inspired by the ingenious toys you get by putting together - bricks!
    I find the opposite. It seems to me brickset has more classical collectors than MOCers, whereas Eurobricks is the other way around.

    @CCC, the more I'm reading here the more am I inclined to agree with you on this one...
  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,279
    edited October 2015
    @VorpalRyu your broad statements about value or money being the main conflicting factor of why others are against re-releases is incorrect and I can personally say for myself that it has no bearing in my opinion. Why would it's value matter if I never intend to sell? Your bias says more about your own views and insecurities about money than it reflects others reality, I hope you can see that before you tar others with simple statements like that.
    Not a broad statement, I clarified that in my last post...

    VorpalRyu said:
    dougts said:
    On the topic of a re-release, let's all the honest here, the reason why anyone really gets bent out of shape over a re-release is because they are worried as to how it will affect the value of their original.
    100% incorrect
    I'm not talking about those who would be unhappy or upset, I was referring to those who rabidly shout down the mere concept of a re-release, threaten to quit modulars should TLG do so, etc. The ones that you half expect them to say 'shut up fool, I will cut you...' Those individuals, & there have been a few on this topic, they are all about the value of their sets. I have invested in some stuff for reselling, but should TLG do a re-release, I took a risk & if it doesn't pay off, well that's my problem. I have several SDCC sets & minifigures for my personal collection, but if TLG released them as regular sets, would I be angry? No, because more people would get to enjoy those sets...
    As for my bias, views & insecurities? Bias, not really, I was referring to a particularly vocal sub-group of those against re-releases & I dealt with my insecurities a good ten years ago, but they do say most people see in others what they most dislike about themselves (even when its not there in who they're looking at)...
    xiahna
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,135
    TigerMoth said:
    Brew said:

    If TLG re-released this (or other set with similar qualities), I feel like it would destroy the value in terms of rarity
    Do you know how many were produced? If they had produced double the number, would you know? I doubt it. Would it change the rarity? Seeing as you don't know how many were produced in the first place, I don't see how it could. So, if they now went on to produce double the number, is that any different? Is it likely to change how many you are going to see every day?

    Is rarity actually what you value or is it the coolness?
    You don't need to know how many were originally produced to see the change in rarity if it was re-released.

    If they re-released a set then, yes, you would be able to see the rarity change. There would probably be more people saying they own it, both in forums and on collection sites (like the Brickset tally of how many people own a specific set). If they re-release Cafe Corner exactly with the same set number, then the number owned on Brickset suddenly jumps from 4329 to 10000+. Both the rarity goes and the coolness of being in the smaller club goes. If there are suddenly more around, you will see more listed for sale on bricklink and ebay. You will see more brags about being able to get hold of one, for considerably less than others paid a year before. So yes, I reckon you would see a substantial difference in rarity.

    You would also see a substantial difference in sales prices too, the old versions significantly dropping from their peak price as people try to quick flip new ones, although this would depend how many lego were pushing out at once and whether they go OOS, with a ripple effect in price as they go out of stock. Plus you would probably see a knock-on effect of the secondary market prices of all modulars falling. If they re-release CC, then chances are they will re-release others, sending panic through resellers (and possible also collectors) to try to shift existing stock before further re-releases are announced. Collectors may well sell, hoping to buy back in anticipation of a re-release.


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