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2016 Modular Building

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  • iso3200iso3200 97 miles from Brickset TowersMember Posts: 2,048
    ^Ghostbusters HQ ? ;-)
    kiki180703VorpalRyuAmanda1983
  • LegoTTLegoTT Member Posts: 483
    This bickering is pointless!  Now, Lego will provide us with the classification of Market Street before this thread closes.  We will then crush the rebellion with one swift stroke. 

    Red Five, standing by...


    VorpalRyu
  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,308
    ^ Eh? To that last bit about red fives & rebellions:

    GoldchainsbobabricksxiahnaAmanda1983
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    LegoTT said:

    This bickering is pointless!
    What gets me is that some people consider the set to be a modular and some people don't. That is a fact, illustrated by almost countless posts here and elsewhere.  Everybody should be happy with that because it means they can make their own choices. However, if you post that, and that there is no correct answer, or two correct answers, somebody still comes along and states categorically that one view is correct. That is arrogant nonsense which, if left unchallenged, means this forum isn't a source of reliable information - something that's hard enough to find at the best of times.

    It's all compounded because the only new evidence actually states the opposite. Maybe that is a mistake, but it's a big coincidence that it just happens to be the one set about which there are, and always have been, different views. However it's a valid argument, and not stated as fact, so leaving the reader to make his or her own decision.

    Fact: if you want a complete set of modulars then there are two widely-held but different views as to what that means. Which is what I said in the first place.
    Jern92BrickDancerAmanda1983
  • Bosstone100Bosstone100 USAMember Posts: 1,422
    Didn't Lego themselves picture Market Street on the Green Grocer box? Plus they included it in the mini modulars set. I'd say it is. 
    VorpalRyuRidzDesignJELJ1S
  • LegoTTLegoTT Member Posts: 483
    Well, I appreciate your passion on the issue.  For me, it's a terrible looking set that I wouldn't spend more than $90 to own...

    If we ever get the truth, I just hope that there aren't many Bothans that pay the ultimate price.

    (ok ok, I'm finished trolling with Star Wars quotes)

    To bring things full circle, does anyone know when the January modular will be announced?  I know there are some events this month that are occasionally accompanied with product announcements. 
    VorpalRyuPitfall69Angel_C
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    Didn't Lego themselves picture Market Street on the Green Grocer box?
    Yes. But it's not on the Fire Brigade box.

    The significance? The boxes show the current set and the previous two. That ought to mean the Fire Brigade box has Green Grocer and Market Street, with Cafe Corner dropped. But it doesn't - it has Cafe Corner but not Market Street. It doesn't even look good that way because you see the reverse of the "HOTEL" sign.

    That implies Market Street is on the Green Grocer box just as a filler and only because they hadn't got anything else.
    Angel_CAmanda1983
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,911
    If I were LEGO I wouldn't want market street considered a modular. It was a fan creation and (no offense to the creator) didn't quite meet the same level of quality typically associated with modulars. I was collecting then and still thought it was garbage. Only regret in not buying was silly resale value. Either way, I don't care what the official classification is.
    Rsa33Angel_Cjuggles7Amanda1983
  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 117
    edited October 2015
    TigerMoth said:

    Yes. It was, potentially, the second one. However, it's background is totally different, it's smaller and technically simpler. The difference in piece counts isn't as significant as the relative difference - all the (other) modulars are over 2000 pieces which is a large set in most people's books; Market Street is neither.

    Don't stamp your foot and say that it is a modular. Strictly speaking it isn't - something that was fairly clear at the time. The box alone tells you that. However, from the day that it was released people have questioned whether Market Street should or should not be included under that heading or not, with people coming down on both sides of the fence. Of the people who have "a complete set of modulars" a good many don't have, and don't want, Market Street, despite having ample opportunity to get it.

    It's also complicated by the death of Erik Brok which may have led to tendency to include him more as a sort of tribute. Somebody will then quote Jamie as saying it is a modular and, as you've done, referencing its inclusion in #10230. Another tale is that the "3" on the forecourt of Fire Brigade relates to it being the third modular (and therefore Market Street is excluded).

    None of that changes the fact that many people do not regard Market Street as a modular. It is a question that used to crop up quite frequently on discussions boards and for which there's no "right" answer.
    How some people don't regard it as a modular may be a valid point of reasoning, altough maybe a little abstract one..
    But seriously, trying to look more in depth than at the simple box's graphic or what was fairly clear at the time, I think I'm not in error if I retain that the great misleading here (an error in which AFOL community occurs too many times) is given by the difference between how the catalogue or the graphic content of the box may tag a particular set and what are the real features of that set. I think we can't dwell too much on the graphic content. In fact, we all now see modulars relabelled under creator theme since Palace Cinema, and this means that tomorrow they may rename the same tag Metropolis or Cyclopic - just for saying - what it would change? Nothing, if the buildings will keep their original features. And what importance do really have these tags, these graphic logos? Ridicolously big for a completionist, nothing at all for a normal fan with normal spirit of observation.
    It's not a tag that defines something, but its contents, its features.
    This worths for life in general and also for Market Street in which, despite of having a different box layout, we can find all the same prerogatives in terms of building that other modulars have too, and this is hardly a matter of points of view.
    In any case, just for my curiosity, tough I don't have a blind faith in them, I had a look at Wikipedia and Lego Wiki and both report Market Street together with all the other modulars.






  • Bosstone100Bosstone100 USAMember Posts: 1,422
    I think most people who don't consider Market Street a modular just missed out on it and don't want to spend the money on it now. I bricklinked it. It's ugly but I have it. It is what it is.
    SumoLegoRsa33brickupdatekiki180703JELJ1SBrikingAngel_CAmanda1983
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    roberto said:

    But seriously, trying to look more in depth than at the simple box's graphic or what was fairly clear at the time, I think I'm not in error if I retain that the great misleading here (an error in which AFOL community occurs too many times) is given by the difference between how the catalogue or the graphic content of the box may tag a particular set and what are the real features of that set.
    I'm not sure that I ever saw it in a catalogue and, certainly, the first time I saw it was in a  brand store. And I remember my reaction, which probably says a lot more than whatever labels it is tagged with.

    Cafe Corner was impressive. It's less impressive now we've seen techniques honed and advanced, but that's neither here nor there. It was also relatively expensive. It was also supposed to be the start of a series - I say "supposed to be" because that obviously depended on whether it was successful. As I didn't particular want a one-off building, I held off buying it.

    Then along came Market Street. It was cheaper, but as @pharmjod has just said, it wasn't in the same league as Cafe Corner. It gave me the answer to whether I'd be buying Cafe Corner - no. I'm fortunate enough to be able to buy what I want, but that doesn't mean I'm not selective. Buying something like Cafe Corner once a year would've been fine; buying something like Market Street, even though it was cheaper, twice a year (which is how it seemed it was going to go) was not. I'd even have bought something like Cafe Corner twice a year.

    When Green Grocer appeared and the future of the modulars became clearer, I reversed my decision and bought it, and Cafe Corner, at list price.

    The point is that my immediate impression was that Market Street wasn't the same as Cafe Corner. It wasn't an opinion developed over time in the light of subsequent modulars. It wasn't down to catalogue labels or piece counts. Sure, the box is too prominent to simply ignore. However, the most important point seems to me to be that it was simply not the same sort of set - and you have yourself said it is that which is most important. It was a very powerful impression that, for a while at least, killed my interest in the new series stone dead. No subsequent modular made me feel that way, although I obviously think some are more impressive than others.

    That's subjective, but Market Street was also demonstrably not the same as the other modulars. It's significantly smaller. It's less sophisticated with a lower age target. Simply, it's simpler.

    Also significant, was that it had a totally different purpose. It wasn't just a set to be sold and make money. It was supposed to be an example of what could be achieved using LDD and LEGO Factory. Erik Brok himself said in a BrickJournal interview that it was to showcase the concept. We all see MOCs that we like - and it's certainly true of modular buildings. TLGs idea was that people would design buildings, upload them, and other people buy them. It was different from the rest of LEGO Factory because of the modular standard, so you could buy several different buildings and they'd all coexist quite happily. Market Street was supposed to kick-start the idea.

    To say it was fan-designed is misleading. Erik Brok was a LEGO Ambassador, not just any old fan, and he worked with Jamie Berard in designing the set. So it wasn't just something that somebody had created using LDD and to which TLG took a liking - which is what I think they wanted us to believe. There are conflicting stories about whether it was actually designed with LDD, but it was supposed to have been possible.

    All of that goes to explain why it is sometimes considered part of the series and sometimes not. It is a building that follows the modular standard. It is part of TLG's total offering for the now-dead concept. But whether it one of the series is something that, obviously, will continue to be debated.
    JELJ1SAngel_CAmanda1983
  • hoyatableshoyatables Northern Virginia, USAMember Posts: 867
    back to the subject of the thread...any news yet?  Thought we would see the reveal this weekend...
    SumoLego
  • NesquikNesquik Member Posts: 30
    CCC said:
    Yes, although I'm still waiting for the first limited edition UCS modular.
    What is a limited edition UCS modular?
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,904
    Don't you mean a Creator Exclusive Factory First Limited Ultimate Collector Series Brickmaster Edition, with a Final Set Production Gold Seal Modular?

    ** cough **

    Green 'Green Lantern' Lantern White Rangefinder Red Five Standing By Sausage!

    Please tip your server, g'night!
    kiki180703Rainstorm26VorpalRyuDedgeckogmonkey76Coolguy5000JELJ1SRonyarAmanda1983
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,904
    I think most people who don't consider Market Street a modular just missed out on it and don't want to spend the money on it now. I bricklinked it. It's ugly but I have it. It is what it is.
    There ought to consensus that the set is ugly.
    Angel_C
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,904

    back to the subject of the thread...any news yet?  Thought we would see the reveal this weekend...
    Was that before or after the reveal of the Hoth set?  I'm not holding my breath...
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    SumoLego said:
    I think most people who don't consider Market Street a modular just missed out on it and don't want to spend the money on it now. I bricklinked it. It's ugly but I have it. It is what it is.
    There ought to consensus that the set is ugly.
    I can't see why anybody in their right mind would BrickLink it, but then, there's no accounting for taste.

    As for people who don't consider Market Street a modular, most of them didn't consider it modular when it was still on the shelves. That's how the debates started - they didn't want to buy it and were looking for a good excuse!
    SumoLegoCCCAngel_CAmanda1983
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,904
    Frankly, it's a modular, I don't like it, it's ugly, wasn't designed well and nobody likes it.

    And it's expensive.

    Thus, collecting.
  • mr.pigglesmr.piggles Snow FortMember Posts: 326
    Well, I bricklinked it. In lavender. And made a ton of adjustments (windows, nicer balconies, etc). So... I guess I don't actually have Market Street at all. 

    Mannnnnn I hope there's an announcement soon, so we can argue over something new and exciting.
    ModulaRpharmjodSumoLegokiki180703JELJ1SAngel_Cjuggles7Amanda1983
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    Wait. Market Street was the first ideas/cussoo set?! Damn, I thought the submarine set was going to eat my wallet and now this!

    But surely the answer for any collector is to own it. Then if it turns out to be a modular you are still complete and if not, ah well. Having said that, I have no intention of even looking how much it's changing hands for. 

    On topic, I'm hoping for a corner bank, steps, columns and a nice vault. That'd be a reason to start collecting modulars.
  • ModulaRModulaR USMember Posts: 39
    Nesquik said:
    What is a limited edition UCS modular?
    The only real idea that comes to mind is a Mos Eisley setting (a new fully-stocked Cantina set, + a Docking Bay 94 set).
    77ncaachamps
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    MattsWhat said:

    Market Street was the first ideas/cussoo set?
    No. LEGO Factory predates CUUSOO. There were 8 such sets:

    http://brickset.com/sets/theme-Factory
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    edited October 2015
    ^of course it predates it... It was the FIRST! 

    Anyway, it was a joke as everyone seems to be getting all serious about MS. Are people assuming the 2016 modular will be a 'proper' modular? ;) 
    mr.pigglesAmanda1983
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,904
    edited October 2015
    MattsWhat said:
    ^of course it predates it... It was the FIRST! 

    Anyway, it was a joke as everyone seems to be getting all serious about MS. Are people assuming the 2016 modular will be a 'proper' modular? ;) 
    There's no joking when it comes to modulars.

    Any time I look up that theme, the Space Skulls set makes me laugh.  Who thought that was a good idea?  To quote Vitruvius:

    "That idea is just the worst."



    (Ironically, the Double Decker Couch set is 100 better.  Space Skulls?!?!?)
    kiki180703MrJ_NYRainstorm26VorpalRyuAmanda1983
  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,308
    ^ Mayhaps, Vitruvius never encountered the set? But whenever someone starts complaining about any TLG set being the worst set ever made....Space Skulls.
    xiahnaAmanda1983
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,862
    SumoLego said:
    MattsWhat said:
    ^of course it predates it... It was the FIRST! 

    Anyway, it was a joke as everyone seems to be getting all serious about MS. Are people assuming the 2016 modular will be a 'proper' modular? ;) 
    There's no joking when it comes to modulars.

    Any time I look up that theme, the Space Skulls set makes me laugh.  Who thought that was a good idea?  To quote Vitruvius:

    "That idea is just the worst."



    (Ironically, the Double Decker Couch set is 100 better.  Space Skulls?!?!?)
    whoa whoa whoa, hold up one second.

    The Space Skulls set was not only fan-created (like most Factory sets), but blatantly based on "3vil", an fan-created space theme (as discussed in this interview).

    Don't ask me how I even know this. I wasn't even very involved in the AFOL community at that point. Maybe it's something I stumbled on on Brickshelf (search 3vil there and you'll find quite a few skull-shaped spacecraft from many different builders to this day).

    Some people dismiss mash-up themes like Ninjago or Nexo-Knights as weird and childish, but AFOLs were creating wacky themes like that way before LEGO even started!
    LyichirJELJ1SAmanda1983
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,904
    ^ I appreciate the rationale and back-story, but that doesn't excuse a bad idea.

    For instance, if someone made a Lego Pizza or a Lego Meatloaf - that would also be a bad idea.  Anything I can envision Morgan Freeman saying: "That idea is just the worst" is probably a bad idea.

    I really want Vitruvius to say "Galidor" in the next sequel...
    VorpalRyuJELJ1SAmanda1983
  • BastaBasta Australia Member Posts: 1,259

    I must lack taste, as I actually like Market Street. Granted it's not on the same level as most of the other Modulars but to say it is horrible or ugly I think is being a bit harsh.

    On the subject of whether it is a modular or not, I think clearly it is modular as it has friction pins on the side. Now you can argue all you want about what theme it belongs to (factory obviously) but it is still a modular.

    SumoLegooldtodd33VorpalRyuJennikiki180703madforLEGOAmanda1983
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,904
    Please, someone confirm that the Space Skulls doesn't have friction pins.
    VorpalRyugmonkey76kiki180703JELJ1SAngel_CxiahnaAmanda1983
  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,308
    ^ GOLD!!!!
    gmonkey76xiahnaAmanda1983
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,911
    Every Technic set ever is a modular. Take that completionists!
    VorpalRyuSumoLegoJennigmonkey76bobabricksPenkid11kiki180703Angel_CAmanda1983
  • Jern92Jern92 MalaysiaMember Posts: 831
    Basta said:

    I must lack taste, as I actually like Market Street. Granted it's not on the same level as most of the other Modulars but to say it is horrible or ugly I think is being a bit harsh.

    I personally think Cafe Corner is horrible or ugly. :-P
    VorpalRyuSumoLegoAmanda1983
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,904
    I'm out!  

    Does that make every Technic SW set an unofficial Ultimate Collector's Series entry?

    I have a Destroyer Droid with shredded rubberbands that may need some attention, if it's a UCS!
    VorpalRyupharmjodkiki180703JELJ1SAmanda1983
  • BastaBasta Australia Member Posts: 1,259

    lol,

    Ok ok, my point obviously was that MS has pins (in the right place) that allow it to join up to the other Modulars.  

    pharmjodAngel_CAmanda1983
  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,308
    That means the Helicarrier is a modular!?! :O
    xiahnaAmanda1983
  • RobertoRoberto Imola, ItalyMember Posts: 117
    Basta said:

    I must lack taste, as I actually like Market Street.

    Don't worry Basta. You don't lack taste. The only ones who lack taste are the ones who pretend to say who lack taste.
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    Basta said:

    I can confirm that my head & tailless Lego tyrannosaurus is a Modular!

    And not only that, it's a corner!
    VorpalRyukiki180703DedgeckoRidzDesignJELJ1SbricktuaryAngel_CsnowhitieAmanda1983
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,462
    technically, every set is a modular since lego is a modular system.
    VorpalRyuAdeelZubairkiki180703Amanda1983
  • RidzDesignRidzDesign Member Posts: 30
    What ever happened to just having fun with a hobby?




  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,687
    ^ rarity and money.
    bobabricksAngel_CAmanda1983
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,687
    Fauch said:
    technically, every set is a modular since lego is a modular system.
    Lego bricks are, but many sets are not as they do not join together. But obviously here the word is used to describe a specific type of set.
    Amanda1983
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    CCC said:
    Fauch said:
    technically, every set is a modular since lego is a modular system.
    Lego bricks are, but many sets are not as they do not join together. But obviously here the word is used to describe a specific type of set.
    The word's actually used to describe two things here, which might be half the problem - modular LEGO buildings and what is called the LEGO Modular Building Series. Or Collection. Or sometimes with Creator Export inserted in the middle. The former is virtually unlimited; the latter currently refers to less than a dozen sets.
    juggles7Amanda1983
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,462

    I doubt they are called modular because they can be joined together. I can put 2 sets next to each other without using any pin and it's basically the same.

    I think it's about the way they are built, with floors that can be removed, sometimes swapped, also if you have several of the same set, you can stack multiple intermediaire floors to gain more height.

    KavsterAngel_C
  • curiouscurious Member Posts: 36
    Is http://brickset.com/sets/31050-1/Corner-Deli one of the creator 3-in-1 sets? I think so but I'm not sure given that its a corner building.
  • KavsterKavster London, UKMember Posts: 75
    Fauch said:

    I think it's about the way they are built, with floors that can be removed, sometimes swapped, also if you have several of the same set, you can stack multiple intermediaire floors to gain more height.

    I have to agree with this.
    A definition of "Module" is:

    1
    each of a set of standardized parts or independent units that can be used to construct a more complex structure, such as an item of furniture or a building.

    The independent units (being each floor of the building), is what settles it for me.
    Amanda1983
  • CircleKCircleK U.S. - Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 1,055
    curious said:
    Is http://brickset.com/sets/31050-1/Corner-Deli one of the creator 3-in-1 sets? I think so but I'm not sure given that its a corner building.
    Yes
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