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Predictions on Discontinuing Sets and their Secondary Market Value

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  • leego76leego76 Chandlers FordMember Posts: 360
    EU stock levels increased slightly overnight.. It's not a Dead Star just yet!
  • LEGOMAD73LEGOMAD73 STAFFORDSHIREMember Posts: 146
    Well Death Star stock has slightly increased again in [email protected] Europe back over 300 sets again ?
  • AceCobra1AceCobra1 UKMember Posts: 565
    How do you guys find out that there are restocks and the number of restocks ?
  • ColoradoBricksColoradoBricks Denver, CO, USAMember Posts: 1,640
    edited July 2015
    @AceCobra1 Go the Bricsket Page for #10188 there is a link on the Right "Stock Level in EU" in the "Availability at lego.com" section
  • AceCobra1AceCobra1 UKMember Posts: 565
    I can only find the 

    LEGO STOCK TRACKER

    on the left hand menu... Cannot find the "stock level in EU" link etc.

    Could you post me a direct link please ?
  • ColoradoBricksColoradoBricks Denver, CO, USAMember Posts: 1,640
    edited July 2015
  • AceCobra1AceCobra1 UKMember Posts: 565
    What are your thoughts on 10218 and 10232 ?
  • AceCobra1AceCobra1 UKMember Posts: 565
    Also, does that mean this set is now officially retired in US and Canada or are the dates set just "provisional" ?
  • aussieposaussiepos Dallas TXMember Posts: 2
    I asked a staff member at the Lego store in Frisco Texas and he said that they were sent an e-mail saying that the website was showing sold out in error, and that it was simply out of stock right now.  He explained that they do productions runs at certain times of the year, and that hopefully it would be back in stock in August. 

    Whether that is true or not I obviously cannot say, but hopefully it will be back. 
    VorpalRyu
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,401
    edited July 2015
    AceCobra1 said:
    What are your thoughts on 10218 and 10232 ?
    There are probably pages of discussion on #10218 in this thread. Just use the Brickset search function to see what people are thinking.

    I haven't really heard anything about #10232 because most figure that #10218 will go first before #10232 even comes on people's radar screen as being EOL'd.

    AceCobra1 said:
    Also, does that mean this set is now officially retired in US and Canada or are the dates set just "provisional" ?

    Again, lot's of discussion earlier in this thread on what "retire" vs. "sold out" vs. "out of stock" vs. "fill in the blank" means. Again, the quickest way to answer your question is to search this thread. Short answer...nobody can say definitively; however, it's a good bet it's gone for good.
    AceCobra1madforLEGO
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Sofia BG/Dallas TXMember Posts: 5,652
    aussiepos said:
    I asked a staff member at the Lego store in Frisco Texas and he said that they were sent an e-mail saying that the website was showing sold out in error, and that it was simply out of stock right now.  He explained that they do productions runs at certain times of the year, and that hopefully it would be back in stock in August. 

    Whether that is true or not I obviously cannot say, but hopefully it will be back. 

    That would be hilarious if it came back for another year or so.
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  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,871
    Not gonna lie, I would laugh my butt off if it came back. I just don't see it happening.

    The gang over a brick picker will be buying any stock that shows up in the USA at normal retail outlets regardless at this point.

    I mean, if you just bought 10 in the last week, you will obviously do better than someone that has been sitting on 10 for five years (unless they got their 10 really really cheap which is possible). This is from a ROI over time metric. 

    That said, I'm still glad I just have two to fool with. One to keep and one to sell.
    TheLoneTensorjuggles7
  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,938
    aussiepos said:
    I asked a staff member at the Lego store in Frisco Texas and he said that they were sent an e-mail saying that the website was showing sold out in error, and that it was simply out of stock right now.  He explained that they do productions runs at certain times of the year, and that hopefully it would be back in stock in August. 

    Whether that is true or not I obviously cannot say, but hopefully it will be back. 

    This would be absolutely hilarious if it ends up being true!!



    VorpalRyuprevere
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,401
    edited July 2015
    aussiepos said:
    I asked a staff member at the Lego store in Frisco Texas and he said that they were sent an e-mail saying that the website was showing sold out in error, and that it was simply out of stock right now.  He explained that they do productions runs at certain times of the year, and that hopefully it would be back in stock in August. 

    Whether that is true or not I obviously cannot say, but hopefully it will be back. 

    If the "someone" at the Frisco store isn't named Gail (Store Manager), then I'm not buying it. Even then, the store managers are usually kept in the dark on these sorts of things. I think it's smart on the part of TLG to keep the managers in the dark because the managers often develop friendships with customers and are apt to spill the beans. While I don't think TLG excessively ponder resellers, I do think the evidence is in that they are careful to keep EOL dates under wraps. This approach allows them to have the broadest distribution of their sets before EOLing.

    To this point, I've had detailed discussions with a long-time Lego Store manager (who has managed at least two stores in the USA). He regaled me with several stories of sets (UCS MF, GG, CC, Carousel, etc.) that he had personally planned to get, yet missed out on. He said they were all EOL'd right out from under his nose.
    MrJ_NYSumoLegomadforLEGOTheLoneTensorjuggles7
  • ryjayryjay Member Posts: 984
    On the DS #10188, for people who have built it, could open/close panels ever be attached to it to close it up...kinda like used to open up the MF in the past?  
  • aussieposaussiepos Dallas TXMember Posts: 2
    aussiepos said:
    I asked a staff member at the Lego store in Frisco Texas and he said that they were sent an e-mail saying that the website was showing sold out in error, and that it was simply out of stock right now.  He explained that they do productions runs at certain times of the year, and that hopefully it would be back in stock in August. 

    Whether that is true or not I obviously cannot say, but hopefully it will be back. 

    If the "someone" at the Frisco store isn't named Gail (Store Manager), then I'm not buying it. Even then, the store managers are usually kept in the dark on these sorts of things. I think it's smart on the part of TLG to keep the managers in the dark because the managers often develop friendships with customers and are apt to spill the beans. While I don't think TLG excessively ponder resellers, I do think the evidence is in that they are careful to keep EOL dates under wraps. This approach allows them to have the broadest distribution of their sets before EOLing.

    To this point, I've had detailed discussions with a long-time Lego Store manager (who has managed at least two stores in the USA). He regaled me with several stories of sets (UCS MF, GG, CC, Carousel, etc.) that he had personally planned to get, yet missed out on. He said they were all EOL'd right out from under his nose.
    The "someone" I spoke to was not the store manager, so yeah it is possible that the guy just told me a bunch of BS. 
  • JamesJTJamesJT Member Posts: 440
    How accurate is the stock level? It says there are 113 #42021 left but that set is sold out in Europe
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,515
    I believe accurate to the day before at worst.
    Pitfall69
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,791
    edited July 2015
    Honestly, I'm less surprised that the Death Star set has been around for so long and more surprised that its design quality still holds up so well so many years. Other than the minifigures not having the sparkles in their eyes, there's not a whole lot that singles it out as an older set. I guess that's partly just because there are few newer sets within the same "category" to compare it to... unlike, say, the Modular Buildings, where it's obvious how much better furnished the newer ones are.

    Only reason I'm bringing this up is the question of whether LEGO will put out a new Death Star to replace this at any point. It's a bit of a mystery whether they could in fact make enough advances that the old one feels "obsolete", or whether it'd be a case more like the latest UCS X-Wing where reception for a new one is a lot more mixed. But of course, I'm sure there'd still be plenty of demand for a new one.

    I'd be ready to accept a new Cloud City set anytime, though! #10123 has not aged all that well (even the original price per piece is rather pitiful for a set of its kind), and it's a wonder that there haven't even been any subsequent sets exploring the individual scenes from that setting. Unfortunately it's probably not as conducive to a "dollhouse"-style set in the shape of the overall setting as the Death Star, since Cloud City's disk shape would make it hard to make efficient use of space for the individual "rooms".
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,356
    edited July 2015
    Half of Empire took place in Cloud City. I think there are plenty of rooms they could do. 
    Lobot
  • Sethro3Sethro3 United StatesMember Posts: 819
    Do the LEGO employees get discounts?
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,401
    edited July 2015
    Sethro3 said:
    Do the LEGO employees get discounts?
    Very high probability they do. I know when we helped work a Lego store opening back in 2012, we received a 30% discount on purchases up to $1000. If they do that for helpers, I'm sure the employees receive similar benefits. I'll try to ask the next time I'm at the store...
    flat_four
  • AceCobra1AceCobra1 UKMember Posts: 565
    Yeah I heard they get 30% off
  • juggles7juggles7 United StatesMember Posts: 452
    As of August 2013, employees could no longer get discounts on exclusives.  It was never made clear to me as to whether the discount still applied to non-exclusive items. I read about this here, and you can search employee discount for more information.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,401
    ^Wow...it's not like Lego Store employees are well paid. I would have to look elsewhere for employment if that's the case.
  • ryjayryjay Member Posts: 984
    Well, if the employees were getting 30% off exclusives, could you just imagine how many they'd buy to resell....they'd make more reselling then working, lol
  • juggles7juggles7 United StatesMember Posts: 452
    Don't think I made myself clear... I think employees still get a discount on purchases, just not on exclusives, and I mean sets that begin with 10...

  • ISDAvengerISDAvenger Member Posts: 203
    Unless you are good friends with a LS employer they are closed lip about their discount. Policy I was told....I have heard it is a substantial discount. 
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    (50% discount up to $2000.00, no limits on exclusives for full-time employees.)
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  • stevemackstevemack 1567km Drive From BillundMember Posts: 880
    30% in UK however buying multiples of high value sets must be justified now I've been told!
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,791
    Pitfall69 said:
    Half of Empire took place in Cloud City. I think there are plenty of rooms they could do. 
    Yeah, of course. It's just the shape of the structure that would complicate things. Death Star being a sphere, each room is about as deep as it is wide: perfect for making each room accessible. Cloud City being more of a flat disk, it might be harder to reach into the "back" of the rooms for play, if you get my drift. So while I'd love a Cloud City playset that was designed like the Death Star (in the shape of the actual structure), it might not be as feasible, and a new Cloud City might just have to be more "diorama-style" like the old one.
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,871
    edited July 2015
    I'd be 100% ok with a few epic Cloud City playsets. The carbonite freezing chamber done like the recent final duel set would be nice. Then maybe one or two other sets to round it out. You would do the whole thing justice I think with 3 sets ranging from $40-$100 each (ie one $40 set, one $70 set and one $100 set). 
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,096
    edited July 2015
    Pitfall69 said:
    Half of Empire took place in Cloud City. I think there are plenty of rooms they could do. 

    The best set that Lego could make to represent Cloud City in a reasonable manner is the carbonite freeze chamber.  But at this point with the release of The Final Duel I don't see it happening. 

    A cool, but it will never happen set would be something on the scale of the Helicarrier with micro scale ships and figures.  Open it up to reveal a minifig scale Carbonite Freeze Chamber.  That would make it possible to have the multi-tiered levels that such a playset requires.
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  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,871
    I could get behind a cloud city set scaled like the helicarrier. That has real potential. Like you said though, not likely to happen.
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,118
    edited July 2015
    SumoLego said:
    (50% discount up to $2000.00, no limits on exclusives for full-time employees.)
    This corresponds with my most recent information as well.  It used to be 30% year round, and 50% on 4 days per year.  To avoid depleting stock  levels they changed to the 50% off all year but lowers the cap

    when they put the ban on exclusive discounts in place in 2013, they at first applied that to employees also, but after awhile they started allowing it again. The $2000 limit and harsh penalties effectively prevents them from stocking up or reselling 
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    edited July 2015
    I don't think there is a 'penalty' per se for going over the discount limit.  (Remember - that's about $4,000.00 in retail product.)  There just isn't any discount on anything after the first $2000.00.

    When it comes to reselling, Lego has a very low tolerance policy.  I think they check for eBay and Bricklink stores for those employees that purchase copious amounts of product.

    (I was made aware of a seasonal retail employee who was overly obvious about using the discount and was fired.  The employee was giving their discount at the register where a third party was making the payment for the product.)
  • Lego91Lego91 GermanyMember Posts: 86
    50% is what I get at my workplace too. (I pay the price we pay the clothing companies plus tax. That is around 50% most of the time). Sadly only luxury clothes so they are still way to expensive with 50% off. I can buy stuff for friends but they only get 15% off.

    My Grandma is retired since several years but still gets discount at the store where she worked. That is how I buy most of my LEGO. 23,5% off the price makes me happy. Especially when sets are on sale and then add another 23,5% off. ;)
    dougts
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,401
    edited July 2015
    SumoLego said:
    (50% discount up to $2000.00, no limits on exclusives for full-time employees.)
    The catch here is "full-time employees." I can tell you that our local Lego Store only has one actual full-time employee to my knowledge: the Store Manager. And I can almost guarantee that regardless of the discount, he doesn't dabble in reselling. I guess having a job is more important than risking unemployment via reselling.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    Most locations also have full-time assistant managers.  I can't say as I know the details on the part-time employees.
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,118
    SumoLego said:
    I don't think there is a 'penalty' per se for going over the discount limit.  

    When it comes to reselling, Lego has a very low tolerance policy.  
     I never said there was a penalty for going over the limit.    I said there was a limit  AND harsh penalties for reselling, which you elaborated on 
    SumoLego
  • juggles7juggles7 United StatesMember Posts: 452
    Sounds to me like a bad position for the employee to be in, being tempted with the benefits of reselling, but risking his job for taking advantage of the benefits. Entrapment, anyone? Think I'll just stick with corporate cutthroats and stock options.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    ^^ I thought it warranted a clarification.  You can certainly stock up on product as an employee - $4,000.00 of retail value can go a long way...
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,724
    'Entrapment' only applies if law enforcement is involved.

    This is just a strict employee policy.
  • SithLord196SithLord196 Member Posts: 1,143
    From my experience Lego is not big on resellers.

    I went to purchase the Tumbler and two Ecto-1's (one for me, one for my dad) and wanted to do two transactions for two Winter Soldiers (one to open and one to keep sealed). The employee initially wouldn't let me, as per manager's orders, but as soon as the manager went to the back he rang me up for the two transactions anyway.  

    So I really do think Lego isn't real fond of resellers.

    Any chance Red Five lasts through Christmas? I decided I do want to get one, if only because any new collector's X-Wing will be based on the new movies.
  • Bosstone100Bosstone100 USAMember Posts: 1,385
    Picked up the UCS Tie Fighter and X-Wing because they kinda go together. Had to wait and hope it came back. I want to say the X-Wing will be around until next year because of the upcoming movie, but I also foresee a frenzy and the X-Wing selling out before then.

    But then again, I'm no prognosticator.
  • Sethro3Sethro3 United StatesMember Posts: 819
    I know nothing of LEGO's plans for the future, but since they recently remade the UCS X-Wing, I can't imagine they would do it again based on the new movies. That seems silly, especially since most people were upset about the recent remake.

    Since Red Five has been out for a while, I could see it leaving us this year. It makes sense to keep another batch for new movie desires, but only LEGO knows if they have been selling well enough to justify that. Granted, they may do another production run solely for the new movie and then retire it when those sell out.
  • SithLord196SithLord196 Member Posts: 1,143
    I don't think they'd release a new UCS X-Wing based on the new movies right away. What I meant to imply was that any future UCS X-Wing would more likely be based on the new movies than the original ones.

    I too think Red Five is going to be done soon, but I'm hoping it lasts a few more months so I can get one.
  • ISDAvengerISDAvenger Member Posts: 203
    My wife told me on one of her vists to the local Lego Store, she picked another Tyderium Shuttle for me. She did not have my VIP card at time. She said the cashier had a VIP card in hand and seemed like he was going to scan it to add the points to his own personal VIP card. He stopped mid motion when my wife told him I had a VIP card and provided him my email address. Seemed shady.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,356
    Ha. I think every employee at every company has done or has tried doing that. I know for sure, when I go to get groceries, they ask me for my Kroger card and I am always without it. I know I csn type in a number, but I always forget what it was. Every time, the employee oulls out a Kroger card from his/her pocket and uses that. I do not know if it is a store card or theirs and they are racking up the gas points.
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,871
    @Pitfall69 You can link your Kroger plus card to your phone number. That takes care of remembering what it is :)
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