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  • dannyrwwdannyrww Member Posts: 1,394
    Some resellers are evil..... haven't you seen the Toy Story of Terror Special....... :D
    DrmnezpharmjodSethro3SumoLegoGoldchains
  • DrmnezDrmnez Member Posts: 855
    ^ that actually made me laugh
    dannyrww
  • Sethro3Sethro3 Member Posts: 996
    I think since buyers set the market value for a set like this, we should all band together and make it a low number...*crickets, crickets*

    Obviously that will never happen. There will always be someone with money or the "need" to buy this at a ridiculous price and screw everyone else over. Will it be worth it? Time will tell. Will it be cheaper to build via bricklink? Again, time will tell. Who knows how much some of those pieces will skyrocket based on this limited release. Look at the early Modulars. Some of those pieces became ridiculously high and are only now kind of coming down because of re-releases/re-molds of some of the pieces.

    But after watching Dark Knight Rises again last night, I definitely want to add this to my collection, especially since it starred in the movie way more than the previous movies.
    Drmnez
  • SithLord196SithLord196 Member Posts: 1,161
    One small point I do need to make though...

    In this particular case, yes, buyers will ultimately set the true price, and for the most part they do with all sets.

    However, the seller/reseller helps drive that price as well by limiting supply. I'm mainly referring to sellers/resellers that are sitting on 20+ copies of a set and only selling one at a time. That low supply helps drive the price up.

    Once again, I'm NOT trying to imply that sellers/resellers are evil. I am simply pointing out that both the sellers/resellers and buyers help drive the price, although I agree that the buyers help drive the price a lot more than the sellers/resellers.

    Although I do agree that with this particular set, it does make Lego look a little hypocritical. They claim to not like resellers, but then do a contest like this.
  • AdeelZubairAdeelZubair Member Posts: 2,704
    edited June 2015
    Heck they should have given everyone who purchased a Tumbler one of these for free, something where it only involves people who actually got the set directly from LEGO. This way only people who are hard core fans would have got it :)
    Drmnez
  • eggsheneggshen Member Posts: 600
    I would guess that TLG does not really care what people do with this set after the contest. TLG does not want a bunch of people entering via email. The real purpose is to get people to buy LEGO. This contest will generate more sales for TLG than they would have made this month.

    There are numerous people on this thread that have stated that they made purchases that they were putting off just so they could enter this contest. There are also going to be people that were not planning to buy anything that will purchase something (large or small, whatever) just to enter the contest. If the set was widely available people would not be making all these extra purchases this month just to enter. Limiting this set is going to make TLG a lot of money.

    In a perfect world no one would enter via email, everyone would buy lots of LEGO to enter, and the contest winners would all be huge fans of Batman and proudly display this set in a prominent location in their batcave. I don't see that happening a lot though.
  • DrmnezDrmnez Member Posts: 855
    edited June 2015
    @Adzbadboy i can dig it. That and it wouldn't be frustrating/devastating to collectors like the comic con exclusives/nytf are. @eggshen I would have bought the tumbler this month if instead of a contest they would have done it as a giveaway. I'm sure others would have as well.
  • eggsheneggshen Member Posts: 600
    @Drmnez I see your point, but would you have bought the tumbler this month with no Bat-Pod (contest or otherwise) or waited for another time (such as double vip points)? My point was that the contest itself is an impetus to purchase RIGHT NOW. The chance to win a limited edition will spur more sales than a giveaway due to the knowledge that the number is SEVERELY limited. And since most people have short memories they will not adjust their LEGO budget later on and TLG gets a nice sales spike with no true concerns that they will miss sales later in the year.
  • DrmnezDrmnez Member Posts: 855
    I see what you are saying, and I understand the contest is designed to spike sales, but I'm sure most people that bought the set this month were going to buy the tumbler regardless of the contest. I don't think$200 is a sporadic purchase number for most to enter the contest. A $5 keychain sure.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    edited June 2015
    I really don't know why anyone is fixating on the $50.  The value of this thing from it's inception is in the hundreds, regardless of whatever legal contest valuation labeling formalities are followed.  There was never, nor will there ever be a legitimate chance to purchase this set for less than said hundreds.

    You basically need to swallow one of two realistic possibilities of having the official set.  You win one for free with the exact same odds as everyone else, or you pay hundreds to acquire one.
    Pitfall69BumblepantsDrmnezSumoLegoGoldchainspharmjod
  • DrmnezDrmnez Member Posts: 855
    ^sad but true
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  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    edited June 2015
    Drmnez said:
    ^sad but true
    Well, it's not really sad, at all, the same way it's not sad that the Helicarrier, or the Death Star, or the Ewok Village et al are not $50.  It's just another product that has a value determined by the market.

    I'd actually take the opposite viewpoint that it's a great thing you can possibly win one for free.  I don't see any contest where I can win a Helicarrier for free.
    SumoLegopharmjodmadforLEGO
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    Has anyone determined a value based on the parts used to make the Bat-Pod? 
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    Why am I thinking it'll be cheaper to buy an extra Tumbler and go from there?
    Pitfall69
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    If someone wants to offer me $6k for my UCS MF, I'll gladly be labeled a reseller.
    Pitfall69
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    edited June 2015
    ^That is what I am saying. Everything has a price. It still doesn't make me any less of a fan. I like Batman, I like The Tumbler. I think the Bat-Pod is great, but if someone offers me a few hundred dollars for it....it's theirs.
    SumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    edited June 2015
    My recently completed LotR/Hobbit display is also available for $6k.

    Any one of my kidneys.  (Kidding - that's totally inappropriate.)
  • Bosstone100Bosstone100 Member Posts: 1,431
    ^ I agree with you there.

    If someone offered me a UCS MF, I'd trade the Bat-Pod for it. :-)
    SumoLegoPitfall69
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    ^ That would make you less than a 'true' fan.
    Pitfall69Bumblepants
  • Bosstone100Bosstone100 Member Posts: 1,431
    ^ guess I'm not a true fan.
    Pitfall69SumoLego
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    Pitfall69 said:
    Has anyone determined a value based on the parts used to make the Bat-Pod? 
    Working on it, but not enough information at this point...

    The most expensive parts are the wheels and rims, which come from the front of the UCS Tumbler. The other part that may be difficult to find is the part where the rider's knees go and that also protects the forearms. In the photo below, assuming symmetry (which is not entirely the case when comparing the top and bottom photos) there are six of these parts (three on each side). A light gray version of this piece is probably a lot easier to find than the black version (which was in only one set).

    So for the purist who wants to build exactly what TLG produces (not entirely black like I plan to do), from what I can see in the attached images it's all about the wheels, rims, and possibly the the knee/forearm components.


  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    Well, give me a rough estimate. 
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    edited June 2015
    ^Tires and rims are in the $25-$30 range for the pair, and I'm guessing the remainder can be had for roughly $20 shipped on BL if you can make minimal orders. So roughly $50 bucks give or take...

    All this is in today's prices, and doesn't take into account the mad dash by everyone to get these parts once the instructions are released (especially the rims and wheels). Personally, I'd get the wheels and rims now (which I have) because they are only available in the UCS Tumbler and they will definitely go up due to this specific Bat-Pod set.
    Pitfall69SumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    edited June 2015
    Maybe they'll retire the Tumbler before July 15th and throw everyone into a complete tizzy!

    (Please don't spam this comment.  I'll be the first one in line with my Lego pitchfork marching on Lego HQ in Connecticut.)
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    ^Just checked the prices on the rims and tires again, and they are starting to go up a bit (at least from the price that I purchase mine at). The cheapest I saw in the USA was $16.50 each ($33.00 for a pair) and about the same in Europe. Fortunately the rims are in two sets (the UCS Tumbler and a Ninjago set), so they are around $1 each. So I will now revise the estimated total price to build the Bat-Pod to around $55...and climbing.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    So, obviously Lego can make the Bat-Pod for far less than $50. Their suggested retail price of $50 sounds about right for a limited edition 1,000 unit set. 
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,526
    edited June 2015
    Those tyres and rims are also currently available on bricks and pieces. It's marginally cheaper (so £8.50 per tyre for UK) than BL. They make the Tumbler's back wheels look like a bargain at less than half that.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    ^Yeah...the back wheels are in three sets (the new Technic Volvo Loader, the Unimog, and the UCS Tumbler) while the front wheels are only in one set (the UCS Tumbler). It's amazing the rate a part's price drops when it's available in more than one set.
  • CommanderRaabCommanderRaab Member Posts: 660
    does anyone know whether you get any kind of confirmation that you are entered in the draw? (UK via purchase)
  • nicoyagomeznicoyagomez Member Posts: 24
    How long do you guys think the BatPod will be? I count about 38 studs long. About 46 studs if you count the guns on the front. I'm trying to get a sense of scale and how this would look next to the UCS Tumbler.
  • GoldchainsGoldchains Member Posts: 795
    CommanderRaab said:
    does anyone know whether you get any kind of confirmation that you are entered in the draw? (UK via purchase)
    I have entered by e-mail every day and by a purchase once, and I have received no confirmation whatsoever.  I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope it is going through.  I can understand why they don't respond, because they are probably receiving several million entries per day.


    I'm assuming there are going to be approximately a billion entries.  So the odds are 1 in 1 million to win.  Of course that is just an assumption, as it could be far higher or possibly lower.  
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Member Posts: 3,639
    TLG is simply shoddy when it comes to all things IT. Considering email entries are all going to a specific email address ([email protected]) that I doubt is being used for any other purpose, they could have simply set up an auto response as short as "Thank you for entry/submission." But nay, too obvious and logical.
  • DrmnezDrmnez Member Posts: 855
    ^ that makes me sad when the contest becomes somewhat quantified. I would still prefer to pay for one as an actual set.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    Drmnez said:
    ^ that makes me sad when the contest becomes somewhat quantified. I would still prefer to pay for one as an actual set.
    Look at the bright side...TLG could have sold the Bat-Pod as a set and had a drawing for only 750 UCS Tumblers. Now that would be bad!
  • AdeelZubairAdeelZubair Member Posts: 2,704
    Why couldn't LEGO do another thing like #41999 where they release a certain number of sets and number them. I would happily pay £49.99 for this if it was a set :)

    I would really like to get one and display it besides my UCS Tumbler, if the prices are way too high I will design my own.
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,526
    Adzbadboy said:
    Why couldn't LEGO do another thing like #41999 where they release a certain number of sets and number them. I would happily pay £49.99 for this if it was a set :)
    As would many resellers collectors of multiple boxes.
  • DrmnezDrmnez Member Posts: 855
    Farmer_John said:
    Drmnez said:
    ^ that makes me sad when the contest becomes somewhat quantified. I would still prefer to pay for one as an actual set.
    Look at the bright side...TLG could have sold the Bat-Pod as a set and had a drawing for only 750 UCS Tumblers. Now that would be bad!
    TLG could just sell them both ;-)
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    They could, but unfortunately they aren't. The scuttlebutt is that the instructions will be released, so everyone can BrickLink one. It's the next best thing...
    madforLEGODrmnez
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    Any chance all of the parts will be in the Tumbler set?

    (If we're keeping true to the film it should be!)
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    No...there are some bionicle pieces in the Bat-Pod that aren't in the UCS Tumbler. Also, it appears that the wheel rim colors are different (gray for the Bat-Pod; black for the Tumbler). There are probably other differences too.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    (Of course, it wouldn't be that simple!)
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,229
    What kind of non-capitalist venture do you think we are all involved in here?
  • Sethro3Sethro3 Member Posts: 996
    I did find that interesting that the wheel rims are a different color, even though it pops "out" of the Tumbler. Naturally the color changes once it separates.
  • SithLord196SithLord196 Member Posts: 1,161
    SumoLego said:
    Any chance all of the parts will be in the Tumbler set?

    (If we're keeping true to the film it should be!)
    I was thinking the same thing the other day.

    Considering the price of the tires, I figured it would be easier to just buy another Tumbler, build the Bat-Pod, and then sell off the figures and the rest of the parts.
    Drmnez
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