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  • VortexVortex Pakistan/USMember Posts: 342
    ^ touché to that ....

    On the other hand , no matter what one thinks that they are just done with purchasing more lego , that they have checked off all the priority sets off , take a deep easy breath... TLG throws a couple greats at you out of the blue , you can't resist it , and the cycle continues , it's relentless. :)
    Farmer_John
  • VortexVortex Pakistan/USMember Posts: 342
    Recent examples for me , The Ferris Wheel , Kwik-e -mart and the Tumbler a lil earlier . Bolts out of the blue 
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,351
    prevere said:
    A glitch I bet. Or they pulled it because of high demand/inventory check.

    A set as popular as the DS probably wouldn't just disappear. For as long as it's been out, it will likely be listed twice as long as sold out/retired on the site.

    I think LEGO tends to do this when they have sold their allotment of a set on sale. Then it shows 'sold out' or is removed, only to come back, either at normal price, or it stays gone until end of sale.
    FollowsClosely
  • TheBigLegoskiTheBigLegoski Amsterdam, NederlandMember Posts: 1,346
    Lobot said:

    The DS has disappeared from the UK website... could this finally be the end? 

    Lots of SW going this year to make room for the new sets. I hear Lord Mickey has commissioned a bigger and better DS :)
    Are you taking the Mickey?

    A new bigger better Death Star?!? with just as many scenes incorporated in the set, and all those 24! minifigs etc.

    I am totally bummed out. DS has dissapeared. I just checked the [email protected] site and it is gone. I have been pondering all weekend if I should get it. I really want it, but it is so much money to me right now. I have been debating last couple of days if I can justify, and afford to spend that much money on a Lego set, and just as I thought OK what the hell! 'I will go and get it' it is gone! :s

    "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

    VorpalRyubobabricks
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,833
    ^try a phone order. If you talk sweetly they might let you in the back door so to speak. It is probably just taken down until tomorrow when it will be full price again for you guys.
  • TheBigLegoskiTheBigLegoski Amsterdam, NederlandMember Posts: 1,346
    ^Yeah I will probably do that tomorrow when the [email protected] phone lines are open again. Lets hope for the best. Although I am not sure if I will buy it, when they charge me the full €420 for it.
     
    €377,99 to me is already a lot, so I thought I have a little over 200 VIPpoints which is another €10 off the price making it €367,99 in total, still really a lot of money to me, but lets go for it! And otherwise I will just have to accept that this will be one of those great sets I will never own.
  • woony2woony2 UKMember Posts: 336
    ^ You've had seven years to save for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    FollowsCloselySuperTramp
  • SuperTrampSuperTramp City 17Member Posts: 1,021
    I couldn't order a DS over the phone today.

    Didn't say it had retired, just said it wasn't available to order on the system.
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,833
    Pitfall69 said:
    If you talk sweetly they might let you in the back door so to speak. 
    I'm not even going to touch that  ;)
    haha I wrote it that way just for you
    Pitfall69bobabricks
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,806
    Maybe squeeze through the thermal exhaust port.
    VorpalRyuPitfall69TheBigLegoskiBumblepantsSumoLegoACWWGal2011
  • TheBigLegoskiTheBigLegoski Amsterdam, NederlandMember Posts: 1,346
    Pitfall69 said:
    If you talk sweetly they might let you in the back door so to speak. 
    I'm not even going to touch that  ;)
    haha I wrote it that way just for you
    Yes it made me frown as well but I was/am too *bummed out to care about that lewd innuendo.
    ACWWGal2011
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,374
    CCC said:
    Maybe squeeze through the thermal exhaust port.
    “Luke, at that speed do you think you’ll be able to pull out in time?"
    TheBigLegoskiVorpalRyuRainstorm26
  • TheBigLegoskiTheBigLegoski Amsterdam, NederlandMember Posts: 1,346
    edited May 2015
    woony2 said:
    ^ You've had seven years to save for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    LOL
    Seven years ago I was still in the 'dark ages'. So no I did not have all those years to save for it.
    Of the +/- four and half years I now am into collecting Lego as an adult, I for the first +/- three years vowed never to buy any Star Wars Lego, for fear of completist syndrome with regard to any theme I collect which I initially suffered from big time, also at the time I was just not really into SW that much (the years of SW fatigue).
    Next to that, for a long time I just did not even consider buying any Lego set priced at over €140. Sort of an arbitrary personal limit / guide line on what I deem with in reason / justifiable to myself to spend on a Lego set. Obviously that went out the window when I bought the Imperial Flag ship, and later Arkham Asylum, Haunted House, and The Tower of Orthanc. And that figure just ever so slightly moves up and up. Of course you can debate on why you spend such and such on which Lego sets or any consumer goods, but people's financial situations also change, sometimes for the better, and unfortunately also sometimes for the worse.
  • hoyatableshoyatables Northern Virginia, USAMember Posts: 863
    Lobot said:

    The DS has disappeared from the UK website... could this finally be the end? 

    Lots of SW going this year to make room for the new sets. I hear Lord Mickey has commissioned a bigger and better DS :)

    27% bigger, right?
    bobabricks
  • woony2woony2 UKMember Posts: 336
    @TheBigLegoski
    I know what you mean. Thankfully I came out of my dark ages in 1999, so I have had the chance to buy all the good stuff that I have wanted at RRP or below. I've also seen the Lego community grow massively since then. When the UCS Falcon came out I could not believe they would sell any at that price, now look what they go for, and this was with me already owning most of the UCS line up to that point.
    But as you say peoples situations change. Gone are my days of buying whatever I want when I want as I now have a dog, a kitten, two kids and a wife to support. (yes in that order :))
    I limit myself to Star Wars UCS and the advanced creator sets that I fancy these days.

    Many on this forum had predicted the massive amount of moaning that would come from people who didn't get a DS when it finally ends and although it hasn't officially ended yet, yours just happened to be the first such comment. Therefore my comment was in jest (well mostly :))
    VortexAmanda1983
  • doriansdaddoriansdad CTCMember Posts: 1,337
    Lobot said:

    The DS has disappeared from the UK website... could this finally be the end? 

    Lots of SW going this year to make room for the new sets. I hear Lord Mickey has commissioned a bigger and better DS :)

    27% bigger, right?
    25% bigger price tag from what I have heard. Given inflation not expecting a whole lot more pieces.
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,833
    So the Death Star II is really a thing then? When will it be armed and fully operational?
    bobabricks
  • MODVLEXMODVLEX Czech RepublicMember Posts: 24
    Death Star frankly needs to go. It's easily one of the ugliest sets available for purchase now, really showing its age. But that's to be expected, considering how old it is. I'm pretty sure the only thing even close to that age still available now is Tower Bridge.
  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,702
    All weekend there's been a banner up across the top of the shopping pages notifying us that there was extremely limited stock available 'at the discounted price'.  Will be interesting to see whether or not it ever returns.  A couple of days of speculation will be enough for the brand stores to clear their shelves.
    pharmjodSuperTramp
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,806
    ^ And the exosuit was decommissioned back in February by one of those banners too. :-)
    VorpalRyuTheBigLegoskiSumoLegobobabricks
  • BastaBasta Australia Member Posts: 1,259
    @CCC was thinking the same thing. When TLG has to let us know stocks are limited, you have to be sceptical.
    VorpalRyuTheBigLegoskiprevereSumoLego
  • TheBigLegoskiTheBigLegoski Amsterdam, NederlandMember Posts: 1,346
    @CCC ; & @Basta

    Exactly! I was thinking the same, and the Exosuit is still around.

    Of course stocks are never infinite, and when something is available as a special offer they may run out of it sooner then they would otherwise.

    Still I think Lego doesn't do the greatest job when they organise a sale / special offers. Last time I bought Lego directly at [email protected] in January I was led to believe for almost four weeks that my order would proceed. I got one set immediately (the one that was not on sale), and got several messages that the other sets which were all discounted would be sent as soon as stocks were replenished, only to receive a message at the end of the month that the rest of my order was cancelled. They messed up big time last January.
    When the New Pirate chess game came out last March, and it finally showed on the Dutch [email protected] site at the start of the double VIP point period, and I wanted to order it immediately on the 16th the sets was already sold out. Then when I decided to order some other stuff during the last weekend of the double VIP period, the site went down just as I was on my way to proceed to the checkout. So next day no double VIP points, and I thought: forget it, I will order somewhere else. It is curious that other retailers and web-shops, when you search hard enough, often have better deals than TLG does.

    When TLG organises May the 4th, like they do every year, is it too much to ask as a customer that you may expect them to have ample supply that when you want to place an order that very day (on the fourth of May), they wont take the product of-line. The DS is not listed as 'retired product'. When I entered 'Death Star' on their site as a search query last night, it turned up as 'available'. Now the whole thing just disappeared, not even as 'sold out'.

    I hope for all those who are into Lego as resellers, that the DS does well in the after-market. Having vented my nuisance I have made my peace not getting the DS.
  • stevemackstevemack 1567km Drive From BillundMember Posts: 894

    I think the only thing it meant was they have 1000 that they will sell discounted and then once the deals over it will be back at full price!

  • msandersmsanders Member Posts: 905
    @CCC ; & @Basta

    It is curious that other retailers and web-shops, when you search hard enough, often have better deals than TLG does.

    I don't think that you even have to search hard enough to find better deals than the Lego shop. I only buy the sets from the Lego shop that aren't sold by other retailers because there's always a discount to be had elsewhere. 

    The Lego website is shocking for such a huge company but I find it difficult to get annoyed with the customer services people because they're so nice! 
    ShibGoldfreekAmanda1983
  • TheBigLegoskiTheBigLegoski Amsterdam, NederlandMember Posts: 1,346
    @msanders
    I suppose that depends on in which country you live. In the Netherlands there are a couple of small toy-shops /web-shops which have some better deals to be had on many sets (10% to 15% cheaper). The general public, does not know about these shops, though I am sure most die-hard Lego fans will. However all the major chains of toy-stores, such as Blokker, Intertoys, and Bart Smit are even more expensive with most of their sets then Lego [email protected] It seems that the retail market in The Netherlands for the most part is monopolized by a few very big companies. And unlike all the majors discounts at big stores in the USA, and the UK, here you will never find these stores giving anything near those special deals. These major chains rather have their stock sitting on the shelves collecting dust at full price. I have had some good bargains from Amazon.co.uk, and now a then I will find some sets discounted at other places. These sets though are often not the sets which are on your wish list for your collection. I am not a reseller myself so I only buy Lego I fancy for my own collection.

    I agree with you that whenever I call the customer service people from [email protected], to place an order, or report a missing piece etc. the people are the friendliest and most helpful staff you can hope for. The TLG [email protected] website however is frequently pretty dismal especially for such a huge company, and moreover for a company who's slogan is: 'only the best is good enough'.
  • msandersmsanders Member Posts: 905
    @msanders
    I suppose that depends on in which country you live. In the Netherlands there are a couple of small toy-shops /web-shops which have some better deals to be had on many sets (10% to 15% cheaper). The general public, does not know about these shops, though I am sure most die-hard Lego fans will. However all the major chains of toy-stores, such as Blokker, Intertoys, and Bart Smit are even more expensive with most of their sets then Lego [email protected] It seems that the retail market in The Netherlands for the most part is monopolized by a few very big companies. And unlike all the majors discounts at big stores in the USA, and the UK, here you will never find these stores giving anything near those special deals. These major chains rather have their stock sitting on the shelves collecting dust at full price. I have had some good bargains from Amazon.co.uk, and now a then I will find some sets discounted at other places. These sets though are often not the sets which are on your wish list for your collection. I am not a reseller myself so I only buy Lego I fancy for my own collection.

    I agree with you that whenever I call the customer service people from [email protected], to place an order, or report a missing piece etc. the people are the friendliest and most helpful staff you can hope for. The TLG [email protected] website however is frequently pretty dismal especially for such a huge company, and moreover for a company who's slogan is: 'only the best is good enough'.
    Ah, yes, very true. I just take it for granted the discounts we get in the UK. I might be moving to Switzerland so presumably I'll be impacted by the lack of discounts there. I'll have to order from UK sites and have them delivered to family, 
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,876
    Finally! SAH flipped a bunch of sets to RETIRED status. Good times!
  • BrickarmorBrickarmor USAMember Posts: 1,257
    Yep, sure enough. The Hard to Find section is half as long now!
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    edited May 2015
    Which sets exactly went into 'retired'?
    FollowsClosely
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,876
    Mostly stuff we expected, Grand Emporium, Haunted House, Town Hall, Arkham Asylum, R2-D2 to name a few. Olivia's House, Cement Mixer, Tow Truck, Family House were a few I was looking at. All the Galaxy Squad finally. I'm sure there are more.
  • goshe7goshe7 Columbus, Ohio, USAMember Posts: 515
    ^ Interesting lack of developments in the Ideas category.  Exo-suit is not Retired. Ecto-1 still remains AWOL.  Research Institute is Sold Out.
    juggles7
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,876
    @FollowsClosely thanks for the comprehensive list!
    madforLEGOLegoKip
  • novicebuilder101novicebuilder101 Member Posts: 130
    edited May 2015
    These are retired as well.

    60020 Cargo Truck

    60059 Logging Truck

  • david325david325 Member Posts: 138
    As is Santas Workshop
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,374
    Here we go again!!! The US [email protected] is different than other regions. @FollowsClosely listed the US [email protected] Santa's Workshop is NOT listed as retired from the US [email protected] site.
    pharmjodjuggles7madforLEGO
  • DivingDWDivingDW Member Posts: 2
    I noticed a sudden discount on the dolphin cruisers on amazon and tru. According to brickpicker, target discounted it to 59.99 as well but still showing as 69.99 for me on the site. Looks like they are clearing shelf space For the new friends sets coming out? This newb would like to hear others thoughts..
  • david325david325 Member Posts: 138
    Pitfall69 said:
    Here we go again!!! The US [email protected] is different than other regions. @FollowsClosely listed the US [email protected] Santa's Workshop is NOT listed as retired from the US [email protected] site.
    Here we go again? I know the US [email protected] is different to other regions. That's the point in having country specific parts of the site. As @FollowsClosely didn't state which region they were referring to, I felt it wise to add to the list.

    Plus I don't really know what difference it makes. Santa's Workshop IS listed as retired from the UK [email protected] site. Therefore, it's a good indicator it will be retiring at US [email protected] soon.


    SuperTramp
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,806
    Which is why people should always be clear what they mean by [email protected] Using UK [email protected] and US [email protected] (and all the other versions too) makes things much clearer.
    Pitfall69ShibmadforLEGO
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,374
    david325 said:
    Pitfall69 said:
    Here we go again!!! The US [email protected] is different than other regions. @FollowsClosely listed the US [email protected] Santa's Workshop is NOT listed as retired from the US [email protected] site.
    Here we go again? I know the US [email protected] is different to other regions. That's the point in having country specific parts of the site. As @FollowsClosely didn't state which region they were referring to, I felt it wise to add to the list.

    Plus I don't really know what difference it makes. Santa's Workshop IS listed as retired from the UK [email protected] site. Therefore, it's a good indicator it will be retiring at US [email protected] soon.


    Define soon? It has been discussed before that Winter sets retire early in the UK and then come back in the Fall. In the US, they are usually available all year long. So, I don't think it is a good indicator, as you put it.
    madforLEGO
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,806
    Pitfall69 said:

    Define soon?
    Not a long time. :-)
    Pitfall69FollowsClosely
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,217
    Also given the normal way the WV sets are sold in the UK I'd say it'll probably be magically unretired later in the UK - never trust the [email protected] labelling for anything.
    VorpalRyu
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,351
    Shib said:
    Also given the normal way the WV sets are sold in the UK I'd say it'll probably be magically unretired later in the UK - never trust the [email protected] labelling for anything.
    All of this being said, I would not be surprised if Santa's Workgroup is gone for good at [email protected] US this fall/early winter. LEGO is likely making only a handful more of runs for the Santa's workshop and looking at the 'demand' in the US (Still temp out of stock on [email protected] US) It will likely be gone by the fall. I would say if you are waiting to buy one I would say the minute they appear back in stock at [email protected] US buy one, as I'm not sure how much longer LEGO will make em for (guessing until late summer).

    P.S. I know it 'must be popular' if it is constantly causing lack of product, but I do not buy that LEGO will extend solely on that. Especially when we have no idea how many LEGO is really making vs how many speculators are trying to gobble up copies as they are made.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404
    I'm still curious to find out how the WV Toy Shop Part 1 and Santa's Workshop differ from...well...WV Toy Shop Part 2 - The Saga Continues. I think the subliminal message TLG is trying to send here is "shop."
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,351
    edited May 2015
    I'm still curious to find out how the WV Toy Shop Part 1 and Santa's Workshop differ from...well...WV Toy Shop Part 2 - The Saga Continues. I think the subliminal message TLG is trying to send here is "shop."
    Well did LEGO say it is a shop, or is that the grapevine talking?
    Even if LEGO tentatively calls it that, I think 'shop' can also mean 'factory', which I believe it what LEGO actually meant and that the toy shop is where the elves are working. Only because it makes little sense to do another toy shop, ala #10199. It makes sense to make a companion set to the Santa's workshop as it was last years set and I seem to recall many many people complaining about a lack of a 'factory' for the toys. Plus, as others have noted, seems a bit of a waste to redo the first set in the line when you still have other possible ideas, including a train, for WV before needing to resort to rehashes.
    I guess time, and spy photos, will tell but until then Ill presume it is a factory, and not a redo on #10199
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,217
    I've still not seen anything official yet, I really hope it's not another toy shop but is just mis translation/misunderstanding, there really is a lot more they could do before repeats.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    edited May 2015
    Well, from a toy standpoint, #10199 was a half workshop/half retail store, and #10245 is all workshop.  Perhaps the new one will be a full retail store kind of thing.  I could see the potential in a #10193 Medieval-Market-ish set with a toy theme and wintry flair.

  • brickupdatebrickupdate Member Posts: 1,020
    I saw the posts above that Death Star had sold out and was unavailable, and I panicked. I totally missed out. Majorly bummed.

    But then I went to LEGO.com and saw that it was indeed available again. Amazon still has it too. I think I'll wait to purchase. 

     ;) 
    dougtsReesesPieces
  • Thanos75Thanos75 Member Posts: 1,117
    ^^^^^ You panicked because it was gone then saw that it is still available and then you we're relieved and still decided to wait on getting it.........
    3stackshsmr.pigglesPitfall69Rsa33cheekymunk3yKevin_Hyattfixitbobbyricecake
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