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New Star Wars UCS Thread

sash501sash501 Member Posts: 28
Hi All,

I'm new to Lego but the obsession has escalated very quickly. I thought I would start collecting sets for my son. He's not of age to play with these yet, but when I saw the prices I thought I better start now. I built a few small sets on my own and enjoyed it. I then went a little bigger with the Star Destroyer 75055 and I'm hooked.

Craigslist and a few hundred dollars latter, I have about 60 pounds of random bricks and old sets.

As far as what I believe to be UCS I also have the Slave 1 75060 & Red Five 10240 on back order and the Sandcrawler 75059 in hand. But is that good enough for me? Absolutely not.

Now onto my questions.

1. Is the Red Five 10240 a UCS? If not, does anyone have both and recommend one over the other? I may be confused even thinking there are two.

2. The Tantive IV I believe is a single set, but I see two boxes. One says anniversary edition and another box I've seen does not. Can someone please explain the difference? I know "anniversary" was a label for the anniversary of the entire SW line, but not sure why some boxes don't label it. I'm very interested in this set but if there is a difference, I don't want to buy one and find out I wish I had the other. Based on pics, it seems the thrusters are sometimes red and sometimes orange; could just be the lighting of the pic though.

3. Have any UCS every been re-released after thought to be EOL. Thoughts being the UCS Falcon is simply unobtainable, but Episode VII is coming out in less than a year and will have the Falcon featured . . . seems like an easy money grab for Lego if you ask me.

I have plenty more questions, but for the hope of getting your responses, I'll limit to three per post.

Lastly, if anyone has sets and want to trade/sell I'm open to it. As for trade, my lego collection is very young so I don't have much to offer, but I am a collector, meaning I have tons of other things that might interest you. The biggest being a statue collection of mostly Marvel produced by Bowen Designs and Sideshow Collectibles. As for non marvel statues, there are those too, including the Sideshow Mythos Boba Fett for you SW fans. Oh, and about 60,000 comics. That all being said, I'm really just here to learn more about this hobby that passed me by for the past 30 years so trying to catch up. I look forward to your answers.

Thanks!!!
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  • BooTheMightyHamsterBooTheMightyHamster Northern edge of London, just before the dragons...Member Posts: 1,403
    edited February 2015
    Welcome to the money pit!
    Kevin_HyattDanGPbobabricks
  • sash501sash501 Member Posts: 28
    I think I answered my second question. There is a Tantive IV 10198 (1408 pieces) and a 10019 (1748 pieces). The 10019 is the UCS and the 10198 is not.

    Please confirm or correct me if wrong.
  • natro220natro220 USAMember Posts: 545
    sash501 said:

    I think I answered my second question. There is a Tantive IV 10198 (1408 pieces) and a 10019 (1748 pieces). The 10019 is the UCS and the 10198 is not.

    Please confirm or correct me if wrong.

    You are correct. Are you only interested in collecting UCS sets? Because there are plenty of sets not labelled "UCS" that are awesome - that Tantive IV being one of them. The non-UCS sets tend to have the more collectible minifigures. Just a thought.
  • natro220natro220 USAMember Posts: 545
    Oh, also to answer your first question, yes the current Red Five X-wing is the 2nd UCS X-Wing to have been released. The first was a long time ago, and probably commands a hefty premium if you can find a copy on Brinklink or Ebay. This hobby can get really expensive really fast, as I'm sure you've already learned.

    I'd concentrate on what is currently available first. Do you have the Death Star set? While I don't think it's technically UCS, it is an AWESOME set with loads of play features and exclusive figures and parts. You'll be really sorry to have not picked that one up if you don't before it goes EOL, which is expected to be later this year.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    Hi Sash, welcome to Brickset! And yes you are well on your way down the slippery slope into the money pit that is Lego SW. We're happy to have more company down here :)

    1. Red Five is definitely UCS and it is the 2nd UCS X-wing. The first UCS set ever was #7191 X-wing.

    2. Yes you are correct on the Tantive #10198 being the recent and only one since #10019 UCS Rebel Blockade Runner. However, there is a huge difference in size of thrusters and details since #10198 is System-scale only and not UCS.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/brickdancer/9649100308/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/brickdancer/9649097732/

    3. Only 1 UCS set has ever been rehashed, the X-wing as cited above. Chances of the Falcon getting rehashed is extremely low due to many various reasons IMO.
  • sash501sash501 Member Posts: 28



    3. Only 1 UCS set has ever been rehashed, the X-wing as cited above. Chances of the Falcon getting rehashed is extremely low due to many various reasons IMO.

    Thanks!!

    1. is the second x-wing and exact copy or simply a new set of the same vehicle?

    2. What are you opinions on the falcon not getting redone?

    Thanks,
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    sash501 said:

    1. is the second x-wing and exact copy or simply a new set of the same vehicle?

    It's a new version. It uses more modern building techniques and generally looks less blocky. The new version isn't without its flaws, though (e.g. the engine nacelles are too small).
  • woony2woony2 UKMember Posts: 336
    Welcome @sash501, the second x-wing is an updated and more modern version of the same vehicle. With over a decade between them, elements, colours and techniques (not to mention peoples expectations) had moved on.

    As for your second question search the forum for UCS falcon to take a look at the endless theories as to why they will/ why they won't.
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    the Falcon will probably get re-done at some point. but it will be very different than the old Falcon if it does.
  • CurvedRoadPlateCurvedRoadPlate Member Posts: 257
    Lego does not re-release old sets but they do new versions of older subjects. The 10226 Sopwith Camel is an example of this, the previous set was 3451. Building techniques evolve, new parts are created,colors are retired, old parts go out of production, leading to new designs.
    Take a look at non UCS sets too. 9516 Jabba's Palace and 75052 Mos Eisley Cantina are some great recent sets with unique figures. 7965 Millennium Falcon is a great set that you may still be able to track down for a decent price. It was available new for several years.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    Lego HAS re released sets in the past. I can think of about 10 off the top of my head.
  • DrmnezDrmnez USA, Planet earth Member Posts: 859
    edited February 2015
    @sash501 check out the UCS poster Lego put out a few years ago. I know alot of members don't agree with it, but it list what Lego considers to be SW ucs sets before the launch of the SSD minus the first xwing, Yoda, and tie interceptor
  • sash501sash501 Member Posts: 28
    dougts said:

    the Falcon will probably get re-done at some point. but it will be very different than the old Falcon if it does.

    Which may not be a bad thing. I wish the current Falcon UCS had more inside. But I get that the playability is much less with these sets.

  • sash501sash501 Member Posts: 28
    edited February 2015
    On the 10019, why is there different box art? Some boxes I've seen are black and white, others fully colored. Is it simply two boxes for the one item?
  • ecmo47ecmo47 North CarolinaMember Posts: 2,101
    ^ I dont know the whole history but when 10019 was first released, it came with the black and white box. I dont think it was re-released, but later copies (of the same run?) came with the colored box which was a new cover for the old B&W cover. My set has the B&W box inside the colored box.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    If I recall correctly, the box for #10019 was B&W for [email protected] orders while the colored box was for Retail purchase. And inside of the colored box would be the B&W box in its entirety including seals. So essentially the color box is an extra of sorts.

    @Drmnez I know the poster you're referring to, but it automatically disqualifies itself by not having the confirmed UCS sets of X-wing, TIE Interceptor, Yoda. While adding non-UCS sets like Sandcrawler #10144, TIE Collection, Cloud City, AT-AT #10178, AT-OT Dropship #10195. From a scientific point of view, this data set is not valid for reference.
  • DrmnezDrmnez USA, Planet earth Member Posts: 859
    edited February 2015
    @BrickDancer I kind of wanted to send Lego a message and ask them if they could clarify what sets qualify as UCS per them. If they actually clarify that it should put the argument to rest as far as what actually is UCS vs what some would consider.

    I remember reading something a while ago that said the 10xxx # was for ucs SW sets until the new sand crawler came out. The ones before were the 71xx. I could be mistaken, however.
  • suprajamessuprajames UK SussexMember Posts: 366
    I believe a lot of people including myself think that #10236-1 Ewok Village should have been a UCS set, due to its size, price and detail level not to mention 18 mini figures ! Well worth checking out, its a great set :)
    Drmnez
  • DrmnezDrmnez USA, Planet earth Member Posts: 859
    ^I think it "technically" is.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    I think Lego now knows (how could they not) that playsets with minifigures sell better than big models without those features. I think that from now on, all "UCS" will be highly detailed playsets with Minifigures.
    Drmnez
  • ecmo47ecmo47 North CarolinaMember Posts: 2,101
    And to dig up the old debate, #7784 Batmobile is labelled as an "Ultimate Collectors Series" and is clearly not Star Wars.
  • graphitegraphite USMember Posts: 3,270
    ^ And doesn't have the plaque =)
    Drmnez
  • husky96husky96 Member Posts: 46
    I'm sure this has been answered on a previous thread, but what is a "good" price for the UCS Millenium Falcon?
  • DevastatorDevastator Member Posts: 66
    husky96 said:

    I'm sure this has been answered on a previous thread, but what is a "good" price for the UCS Millenium Falcon?

    Only one of the following; an arm, a leg, or a firstborn child.
    husky96Rainstorm26
  • GalactusGalactus NLMember Posts: 259

    From a scientific point of view, this data set is not valid for reference.

    If it was possible to decide scientificly what is a UCS set and what isn't, there would be no need for al this debate about it...
    So I think this data set is arbitrary any way you look at it.

    @sash501 I recommend that you go for the sets you like (starting with the ones still in production/available in retail) instead of focussing on the UCS label.
    Drmnez
  • TarDomoTarDomo FinlandMember Posts: 515
    Do you have Super Star Destroyer? I feel it's kinda a must-have especially if you collect SW UCS sets.

    I recommed you to get Lego Star Wars The Visual Dictionary Updated and Expanded. There are answers to at least 2 of your 3 questions and most likely answers to most of the rest questions you'd like to ask.
  • Steve_J_OMSteve_J_OM Cork, IrelandMember Posts: 961
    I can understand the mentality, but driving yourself mad trying to determine what does/does not constitute UCS is an inane exercise IMO. It'd be easier if TLG themselves were more consistent but you have the Sandcrawler, for example, labelled UCS on the box but without the traditional plaque.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404
    edited February 2015
    Here is the complete "official" UCS Star Wars list:

    #10212 Imperial Shuttle
    #7191 X-wing Fighter
    #7181 TIE Interceptor
    #10030 Imperial Star Destroyer
    #10134 Y-wing Attack Starfighter
    #10143 Death Star II
    #10174 Imperial AT-ST
    #10175 Vader's TIE Advanced
    #10179 Millennium Falcon
    #10186 General Grievous
    #10225 R2-D2
    #10019 Rebel Blockade Runner
    #10240 Red Five X-wing Starfighter
    #75060 Slave I
    #75059 Sandcrawler
    #10026 Special Edition Naboo Starfighter
    #10221 Super Star Destroyer
    #10129 Rebel Snowspeeder
    #7194 Yoda
    #10227 B-Wing Starfighter
    #10215 Obi-Wan's Jedi Starfighter
    #10018 Darth Maul

    Personally, I agree that the Ewok Villiage should be included, but it's not categorized as a UCS by Lego.
  • TarDomoTarDomo FinlandMember Posts: 515
    ^ Ewok Village is a play set, that´s the reason.
  • DawnDawn GoldMember Posts: 247
    ^ So is #75059 Sandcrawler, but clearly labeled as USC...
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    If EV qualifies, then DS does also. Or vice versa.
  • TarDomoTarDomo FinlandMember Posts: 515
    Dawn said:

    ^ So is #75059 Sandcrawler, but clearly labeled as USC...

    Yes a playset if you think minifigs, but then you can say that SSD is a play set though it's clearly a display set.
    Or if you mean the play features, they both have them. But Sandcrawler has some 'cool features' while Ewok Village has 'childish play features'. And I don't mean that childish play features are bad, not at all, but UCS sets don't include them.
    After all Evok Village is detailed as a SYSTEM set and Sandcrawler as an UCS.
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    TarDomo said:

    But Sandcrawler has some 'cool features' while Ewok Village has 'childish play features'.

    That's a pretty thin line. One could easily classify winches, loading mechanisms, and hover speeders as childish play features.
  • BrewBrew New Mexico (It's an actual state in the US)Member Posts: 182
    The definition that seems to fit the set list @Farmer_John posted is: an ultimate accurate model representation of a vehicle or character suitable for the primary purpose of display.

    I follow this definition for what I call UCS. The DS, EV and CC don't fit because they are not accurate models and are primarily play oriented. You'll notice that the definition does not preclude play features or the inclusion of display plaques.
  • TarDomoTarDomo FinlandMember Posts: 515
    binaryeye said:

    TarDomo said:

    But Sandcrawler has some 'cool features' while Ewok Village has 'childish play features'.

    That's a pretty thin line. One could easily classify winches, loading mechanisms, and hover speeders as childish play features.
    Those that I called "cool features" can also be called as "technic features". But of course these are kinda opinions.
  • AdeelZubairAdeelZubair London, UKMember Posts: 2,697
    Sets with the information plaques I consider UCS however the sets like Death Star and Ewok Village I consider them simply as playsets...well "dream playsets!"
  • DrmnezDrmnez USA, Planet earth Member Posts: 859
    So is the dreamliner a ucs?
    natro220
  • BrewBrew New Mexico (It's an actual state in the US)Member Posts: 182
    I knew it wouldn't be long before someone had an example of something that fits my definition above that has not really been considered UCS before. I would say it surely does fit, however the last word on UCS implies a series. In the cases previously considered, the series could be considered to consist of models from the SW universe.

    Having said that, I display the VW and Mini in my office as if they are ultimate, accurate models. Also, ToO is prominently displayed in my living room. I guess those are UCSs of a different series.

    In the end it's all pretty semantical and it's really up to the individual if they even care about having a clear definition.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,771
    The only ones I consider UCS are the ones called UCS by Lego. Of course others can call what they like UCS, even non-lego sets, it is up to them. There is a clear definition. If Lego says it is UCS, it is UCS. Otherwise it is not. It is just a marketing badge.
    natro220Dad
  • DrmnezDrmnez USA, Planet earth Member Posts: 859
    I think they should get rid of the ucs label.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    For what I define as the UCS Star Wars line, I agree with the list @Farmer_John provides above.

    For the newly established UCS Superhero line, I feel it to be only the 3 sets of Batmobile, Tumbler and Helicarrier. But even then, I'm not sure this is a sustainable line over many years.
  • natro220natro220 USAMember Posts: 545
    CCC said:

    The only ones I consider UCS are the ones called UCS by Lego. Of course others can call what they like UCS, even non-lego sets, it is up to them. There is a clear definition. If Lego says it is UCS, it is UCS. Otherwise it is not. It is just a marketing badge.

    I completely agree with CCC. It is simply a marketing tool used by LEGO to pull in adult builders. If LEGO denotes a set as UCS, then it is UCS. Case closed.
  • DrmnezDrmnez USA, Planet earth Member Posts: 859
    Not to intentionally rise controversy, but the tumbler and helicarrier dont have the ucs designator with it just a plaque. That was just people word of mouth.
    By that token, I remember sets like the ewok village being called a ucs for a time because of the "details" the playset has to the scene it comes from. Furthermore, some of the star wars sets that most of us recognize as ucs I don't recall as having the label on them.
    I could have totally missed the mark, but that is what I recall. Please correct me if I'm wrong
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    I do agree on the Tumbler & Helicarrier being disputable for UCS designation, simply because there is no firmly established line yet within the SH theme. But since I stand by the plaque rule as the determining factor, in my own humble opinion they qualify if such line does become a permanent fixture within the theme.
    Drmnez
  • sash501sash501 Member Posts: 28
    CCC said:

    The only ones I consider UCS are the ones called UCS by Lego. Of course others can call what they like UCS, even non-lego sets, it is up to them. There is a clear definition. If Lego says it is UCS, it is UCS. Otherwise it is not. It is just a marketing badge.

    agreed.
  • TarDomoTarDomo FinlandMember Posts: 515
    I don't buy sets because the are UCS. I can buy an UCS if I like it or I can buy a polybag or battle pack or a big set that is not UCS.
  • TarDomoTarDomo FinlandMember Posts: 515
    @Waynegg A pretty odd spam vote. I smell a revenge. If I give u a spam vote for a good reason it doens't give u a reason to give me a spam vote. That is quite childish.
    epyon396
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    What are the odds that we might have a UCS Jango Fett's Slave 1 in the future? It is different enough (even though it is the same ship) to warrant the UCS treatment. By releasing a UCS Tie Fighter, this gives me hope :)
  • drdavewatforddrdavewatford Hertfordshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 6,650
    Pitfall69 said:

    What are the odds that we might have a UCS Jango Fett's Slave 1 in the future?

    Pretty much nil for the next few years I would have thought....
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444

    Pitfall69 said:

    What are the odds that we might have a UCS Jango Fett's Slave 1 in the future?

    Pretty much nil for the next few years I would have thought....
    Are you trying to crush @samiam391 and my dream? ;) Seriously, I never thought there would be a UCS Tie Fighter and now we have one. Maybe after Boba Fett's Slave 1 is retired, we might get a UCS Jango Fett's Slave 1. Doubtful, I know, but one can hope :)

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