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How much does a 10143 Death Star weigh?

MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
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I mean the actual model itself, not the box, instructions, etc...just the finished model. I'd like a accurate measurement if possible. Can anyone help? TIA
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  • KiwiLegoMeisterKiwiLegoMeister Member Posts: 212
    Yeah I looked that one up on Brickset just yesterday - and it didn't tell me ....
  • TarDomoTarDomo Member Posts: 515
    If you have the box you can weigh it and then just minus it from the total weigh. If you want to know the weigh exactly, then weigh the instructions too.
  • vitreolumvitreolum Member Posts: 1,406
    edited February 2015
    According to BL it's 4.415 kg.
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    I'm afraid I really need someone to weigh an actual model that's complete and built. The BL weights don't make sense and although I have a complete MISB set and a separate set of bags (that may or may not be complete) I don't have a combination that allows me to work out the actual weight of the item when built. If anyone could put one on scales for me, I'd appreciate it - TIA.
  • LegopantsLegopants Member Posts: 2,097
    Just weighed mine. It's just under 4.8 kg.
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    Thank you. So I'm also clearly missing some bags in my "bags that may or may not be complete" then!
  • LegopantsLegopants Member Posts: 2,097
    Forget it - wrong Death Star. Mines DS#1. Sorry :-S
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    Yes, needs to be the 10143 DS-II aka "The Big Grey Parts Pack" :-)
  • LegopantsLegopants Member Posts: 2,097
    I should be so lucky ;-)
  • vitreolumvitreolum Member Posts: 1,406
    I found bl weights accurate so far. You have the weight of the misb set, the box and instructions, it's easy to check from that.
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    OK, let's see then. According to BL the calculated weight of a DS-II built is 4415g. My original question still stands: I'd like an accurate measurement of just the finished model. If anyone has one built that they can weigh I would very much appreciate it to see what it actually weighs. Thank you.
  • RailsRails Member Posts: 153
    With or without minifigs?
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    This is the DS-II. There are no minifigs.
    RailsPitfall69
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,730
    edited February 2015
    I think @vitreolum was suggesting you take the entire set weight listed on Bricklink and then subtract the listed weights of the instructions and box. You will find those items have their own entries in the Bricklink system.
    Pitfall69
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    So, you have a Death Star II that has the parts still sealed in the original bags, ziplocked bags or a combination of both? If it is just ziplocked bagged parts, just do the inventory. How are you going to know if something is missing?
  • luckyrussluckyruss Member Posts: 872
    Bricklink would therefore suggest about 4.415kg, less the weight of some poly bags. If yours is in bags that may or may not be complete, that's what you're aiming for?
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Member Posts: 3,639
    This is a funny thread so far. I have the model built and on display, will search for a scale later tonight (I don't own one).
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    edited February 2015
    It's hilarious isn't it (not). It's incredible how many answers I can get to questions I haven't asked :-) I don't know, but I suspect most people who have contributed here don't actually own this set or have ever opened one. You see this set comes in a big box that's printed with lovely pictures on the outside. Inside there are a number of plain white inner boxes. Does the BL box weight include these inner boxes? We don't know. I don't know and I can't find out because my MISB is seaIed. The separate bags I've got are also original and sealed. I could inventory them and find out what I have but I don't need to know. FWIW I now know there are some bags missing as I have done a quick inventory (but could be wrong as I haven't opened every bag to check its contents exactly) - but as I said, I don't need to know. What I need to know is what the complete finished model weighs...which is in fact the question I asked in the first place.

    As you say, it's been funny thread so far :-)
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    edited February 2015
    I do in fact own the Death Star 10143. As a Lego Community we are consumed with everything Lego. We cannot help wonder why anyone would want the weight of a completed model? Does this include the plaque as well??? We were just inquiring as to why someone would want the weight of a finished model. We should probably just try to answer the exact question you asked without further inquiry, but we can't; we are programmed that way. I would think that most people do not have this set on display and to remove this set and put it on an accurate scale would seem weird to us; even if we had that accurate of a scale. Please forgive us for our infliction; for we cannot help it ;)
  • 12651265 Member Posts: 1,165
    @Martin Maybe you need to remove the headphones in your avatar. Build it and you will answer your own question.
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    Thanks @Pitfall69. I do have a genuine, legal and very uninteresting reason for needing the exact weight of the completed model including the plaque - but not the outer box, inner boxes or instructions. The polybags would scarcely make a difference. All I'm asking for is the weight of the bricks as built. I can't say what that reason is right now and please don't read anything into that.
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    edited February 2015
    1265 said:

    @Martin Maybe you need to remove the headphones in your avatar. Build it and you will answer your own question.

    Now I'm confused...what have my headphones got to do with anything?
  • 12651265 Member Posts: 1,165
    Martin said:

    1265 said:

    @Martin Maybe you need to remove the headphones in your avatar. Build it and you will answer your own question.

    Now I'm confused...what have my headphones got to do with anything?
    Lighten up! Point is...listen and build it to answer your question.
  • samiam391samiam391 Member Posts: 4,506
    @Martin - I would just wait on @BrickDancer to find a scale... he'll be your best bet :smile:

    It's a somewhat strange request, I think that's why you have all these opinions/questions, etc... which has made it a rather funny thread.
  • ryjayryjay Member Posts: 1,009
    edited February 2015
    Google results: 14.98-15.02 lb for bricks only; Box 4.30 lb, instructions .97 lb
    I have the set, but have no clue without a digital scale how it could be accurately weighed to the exact weight. Two people weighed it and got two different results, according to Google.

    What is interesting, those weight now add up to more the then set weight of 17.2 lb....hmmmm
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Member Posts: 3,639
    I couldn't find a scale at work, but might go out and buy one tomorrow. How exact do you need it?
  • wayneggwaynegg Member Posts: 394
    TarDomo said:

    If you have the box you can weigh it and then just minus it from the total weigh.

    Or, you know, subtract it. Sorry, but this and "would of" convince me that Idiocracy was a prophecy.
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    @BrickDancer. I really don't want you to go out and buy scales just so that you can weight a Death Star. I'm beginning to wish I hadn't asked this seemingly simple question now!

    @1265 This is in "Buying and Selling" topic, because my original question relates to a sale and indirectly, shipping. It's the potential buyer that wants to know the exact weight of the finished item as it would sit on a desk/shelf. That's why I don't want to build the MISB set, nor do I want to open sealed bags.

    Not such a strange request really. I just didn't think I needed to include that level of detail to get an answer ;-)
  • wayneggwaynegg Member Posts: 394
    http://www.toysperiod.com/lego-set-reference/star-wars/ultimate-collector-series/lego-10143-death-star-ii-ultimate-collector-series-ucs/

    14.98 pounds
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    ^ I've seen that @waynegg. Trouble is, either that site or BL is wrong. BL says that's the weight of the entire box set.
  • wayneggwaynegg Member Posts: 394
    Bricklink says that's the reported weight of the set from LEGO. It gives no indication as to whether that's pieces or everything.

    Toysperiod is a statistical database for toy collectors to reference when buying something so they can cross reference to make sure they're getting what they've bargained for. Since it has the weight of the pieces, that means that those pieces (and just the pieces) have been weighed by them and that's what they weighed.
  • luckyrussluckyruss Member Posts: 872
    You can download a .csv file with the 36,000 or so parts on bricklink and their weights, and the inventory of the DS-II.

    A quick sum gives a total weight of parts of 4,348.96g including spare parts and the sticker sheet (1.3g). There are a couple of parts where inventory is not clear (eg whether the two 6x6 radar dishes have hollow or full studs makes 0.12g difference per part, apparently), plus I guess there will be some margin for error in scaling up the weight of one small piece to 271 or 259 of them.

    So in short, that's another way of not answering your question...
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    Thanks @luckyruss. I'm now genuinely enjoying this thread in a masochistic sort of way! Excellent...so the Toysperiod's statistical database weight (which I'm told is just the weight of the pieces) is almost 2.5kg heavier that the estimated weight of the Bricklink parts list. Maybe they are both right. Or both wrong. Or perhaps one is right and one is wrong. I'm now thinking it would be really cool if someone who actually had the set already built *and* a set of scales should actually put the set on their scales and see what the reading says. After all, any half-decent kitchen scales are going to be more accurate than +/- 2.5kg :-)

    Perhaps that's the question I should have asked earlier on. Oh, wait a minute... ;-)
  • vitreolumvitreolum Member Posts: 1,406
    The problem here is that you're looking for the weight of a set quite a few people own. Subtract from that all those unwilling/unable to weigh it, and it shouldn't be so surprising you aren't getting the actual answer you're looking for.

    I'm pretty sure most people posting here are genuinely trying to help with alternate means of finding an answer, considering you aren't getting what you're asking for, not trying to amuse you.

    So you really shouldn't be so sarcastic; you might just have to make that decision based on info you actually have access to rather than the one you want.

    Ps: Since you do have a misb one, you can easily figure out if the toysperiod weight is that of the boxed set or not.
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    I'd tell him to allow for the exact weight of ... and in the total include the box, instructions and the model. If he is relying on a shelf that can only take the exact weight and no more, then the whole lot will collapse if he leans on it, or places a small X-wing next to the Death Star. So better to over-estimate the weight and be sure the shelf can take the weight.
  • wayneggwaynegg Member Posts: 394
    "FWIW I now know there are some bags missing as I have done a quick inventory (but could be wrong as I haven't opened every bag to check its contents exactly) - but as I said, I don't need to know. What I need to know is what the complete finished model weighs"

    "It's the potential buyer that wants to know the exact weight of the finished item as it would sit on a desk/shelf. That's why I don't want to build the MISB set, nor do I want to open sealed bags."...

    If you're opening stuff- go all the way! It's no longer MISB anyhow! Build it and weigh the thing for yourself.

    My big question to you is, based off what you've said...

    -you aren't building it (but are rummaging through it)

    -know bags are missing but don't care

    -concerns a potential sale you're making

    -just want to know how much it's supposed to weigh


    WHY?

    Trying to get the weight right before you ship it to someone? From what all you've said, that's the most logical conclusion. If it isn't as nefarious as it legitimately sounds, then you're simply trolling for personal kicks. Everyone who's attempted to help you seems to have done so genuinely, and yet you've been quite rude to each and every one of them.
  • SirKevbagsSirKevbags Member Posts: 4,027
    Bang another couple of 1" 1/2 10's into the shelf and job done, the shelf doesn't go anywhere so the weight doesn't matter. @Martin just include said screws, a couple of red plugs and a 6mm bit with the package ;-)
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    After all that, it doesn't matter any more. The buyer wanted to know but they are no longer interested. I don't believe it was about the ability for a shelf to withstand the weight though. It was a 100% genuine question on my part here, and was not intended to spark any of this. I'm not here for personal kicks either. My apologies to anyone who has been offended.

    @waynegg I did state earlier that "I have a complete MISB set and a separate set of bags (that may or may not be complete)". I have both, not a MISB that's now been opened. and it's definitely not nefarious.

    I bet @SirKevbags and anyone else who knows me is having a good laugh at this. See you in Leicester buddy.
    SirKevbags
  • luckyrussluckyruss Member Posts: 872
    My best guess at the answer is a few grams over 4.35kg (I should clarify that I'm speaking as 100% in @Martin's target audience - namely someone who doesn't own the set, nor a sufficiently accurate set of scales, and is currently at work, wondering how long I've spent thinking about this but now genuinely interested in knowing the answer!).

    It does still leave a curious missing 60g of material that is apparently required to make up the weight of a sealed box but which isn't the box(es), the instructions or the parts.

    Does a built set weigh the same as the constituent bricks? [quantum question is where would the extra mass come from]

    You should probably adjust for how long the said set has been built / displayed for (and where) to allow for weight of additional dust and debris that may have accumulated between studs - and as already noted, offset that against the weight of the sealed bags.

    Hey, if you have some empty lego packaging bags lying around (I know I have, scattered across several rooms as they always seem to turn up quicker than I can throw them away), you could weigh these too to make it a more accurate adjustment.
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    I wish I could afford to rip open my MISB 10143 and weigh it all now but as I would like to sell it one day, I'd better not. I know that the outer box contains three (possibly even four IIRC) inner boxes so that may account for some of the variance if the BL weight is for the outer box alone.

    I'm also tempted to go back to the buyer who's no longer interested and ask them exactly why they specifically needed to know. I'm beginning to wonder if their reason is to be less than honest. I think I'd rather not know now.
  • wayneggwaynegg Member Posts: 394
    That's good to hear. Then how's this:

    4349 g ≤ x < 6811 g

    where x = weight of Death Star

    Or more simply- Hey mate, will your shelf support less than 6811 grams?
  • MartinMartin Member Posts: 375
    ^ now I like that a lot!
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    edited February 2015
    The only reason I finally clicked on this thread was because I figured "42 comments, there's no way they are still talking about the weight anymore, so I may as well check it out." Now I know.

    Btw, as a point of clarification, had you written "Death Star II" instead of "Death Star," you would have saved some initial confusion.
  • woony2woony2 Member Posts: 336
    Surely the inclusion of 10143 removes all confusion.
    This thread has tickled me over the last few days.
    @Martin asked a simple and concise question and has had his life thrown into utter disarray. :smile:
    I have been meaning to weigh mine for him all this time but I'm damned if I can find a 9v battery for my accurate scales. But as soon as I do I will post the answer, and whilst I'm at it I'll weigh all my other built UCS models so that next time a similiar question is asked I can jump right in with the answer.

    Now can anyone tell me the weight of 10189 Taj Mohal, minus the four towers :smiley:
    Martin
  • GreendudeGreendude Member Posts: 58
    I was beginning to think he was trying to win a guess the weight Death Star...
    Pitfall69
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    ^Well if you said Taj Mahal instead Taj Mohal, we could avoid some confusion. Just kidding ;)
  • woony2woony2 Member Posts: 336
    edited February 2015
    ^ Damn you fat fingers, tiny touch screen keyboards and eagle eyed Gungans :smile:
    Pitfall69snowhitie
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,730
    Well as soon as there is the slightest rumor about the next Modular or a glimpse of an upcoming advanced model threads like this will just languish while we determine if [new set] is [best ever/completely terrible]
    Pitfall69woony2
  • dsdg88dsdg88 Member Posts: 133
    We can play "guess the weight" of the next rumored set (will it be UCS?) to keep this thread going.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    woony2 said:

    Surely the inclusion of 10143 removes all confusion.

    Evidently not.
    woony2 said:


    @Martin asked a simple and concise question and has had his life thrown into utter disarray.

    To be clear, he started out fuzzy. He asked for something for a set and a number, neither of which exist together. Was the set # right? Was the title right? We aren't mind readers. Then, he responded with a certain level of fuzziness, which honestly, rubs some people the wrong way. Then he got defensive and snarky when he wasn't getting what he wanted. Again, most people around here (and by here, I mean humans on the internet) are irked by such things.

    So overall, I don't think he did anything all that wrong, nor were the responses uncalled for, nor do I think his life was thrown into utter disarray (hello hyperbole). Furthermore, I don't think he needs you to white knight him. Lastly, I'm going to go on record as blaming @Pitfall69 for everything.
    vitreolum
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