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  • margotmargot Member Posts: 2,308
    pookie said:

    I also tried my luck on that 75060 for $104. We'll see if they cancel the order.

    Customer Service opened at 10 am and I was wondering if that would change things. Now it shows sold out.

  • pookiepookie Member Posts: 158
    Per there pricing policy
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  • pookiepookie Member Posts: 158
    So I guess they cancel the order or have you pay more. I'll wait and see.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,836
    GEs will go up, but not by as much as I think some people are expecting. I think FB rose because it was a Fire Station. GE is pretty vanilla both in color scheme and content. It is a corner set, so that may help it, but I just do not see much to it, as opposed to sets like Pet shop, Palace Cinema, etc. Time will tell. Will it go up? Sure, but I think FB is the better bet.

    I tried for a UCS Slave 1 at Toywiz at that 104.99 price. My guess is they will ask to price correct or cancel the order, but I only bought the one. If it sticks, great. If not, then no biggie but it was worth a shot. I'm sure there are those that pre-ordered 20 at that price and they will probably act majorly offended that ToyWiz corrects their mistake.
  • margotmargot Member Posts: 2,308
    edited January 2015
    Cancelled. Was worth a shot.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,836
    margot said:

    Cancelled. Was worth a shot.

    Yeah, cancelled as well. not surprising, but like you said, worth a shot.
  • pookiepookie Member Posts: 158
    Also cancelled.
  • enotogaenotoga Member Posts: 133
    Mine's cancelled as well. At least they're efficient at one thing.
  • enotogaenotoga Member Posts: 133
    madforLEGO said:

    GEs will go up, but not by as much as I think some people are expecting. I think FB rose because it was a Fire Station. GE is pretty vanilla both in color scheme and content. It is a corner set, so that may help it, but I just do not see much to it, as opposed to sets like Pet shop, Palace Cinema, etc. Time will tell. Will it go up? Sure, but I think FB is the better bet.

    You're probably right about FB and GE. At this point I've been giving equal weight to all the Modulars. I'm a small time investor and the largest quantity of any single set in my collection is 11. So I try to accumulate about 10 or 11 modulars per year, moving from one to the next, year after year.



    Locke
  • Sethro3Sethro3 Member Posts: 1,015
    I'm just glad I don't "need" any set bad enough to justify paying those horrible after market prices. Good luck to all of you. There will always be someone wanting to pay those prices for something.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    You are right, but there is an aftermarket for everything. Some US $1 coins go for millions of dollars. I think one sold for $10 million USD a couple of years ago. That is for a $1 coin. I don't think paying $250 for a $150 set is all that bad.
  • PurplorosPurploros Member Posts: 80
    How much will the Rocket Raccoon polybag likely be worth by October this year?
  • piratemania7piratemania7 Member Posts: 2,146
    Sir_Gareth said:

    How much will the Rocket Raccoon polybag likely be worth by October this year?

    27x it's RRP
    matticus_bricks
  • prevereprevere Member Posts: 2,923
    Sir_Gareth said:

    How much will the Rocket Raccoon polybag likely be worth by October this year?

    Whatever someone is willing to pay for it.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    edited January 2015
    piratemania7 said:

    Sir_Gareth said:

    How much will the Rocket Raccoon polybag likely be worth by October this year?

    27x it's RRP
    Thanks for your opinion , but I don't think you can make that claim at all ;)

  • LegoboyLegoboy Member Posts: 8,827
    ^ And your opinion counts?
    Pitfall69
  • samiam391samiam391 Member Posts: 4,505
    Sir_Gareth said:

    How much will the Rocket Raccoon polybag likely be worth by October this year?

    It's not chromed, so it's essentially worthless.


    My victory over @y2josh‌ has not been near as exciting as I thought it would be, considering his absence. Perhaps he noticed he was going to lose, planned ahead, and left the forums 3 months in advance. The shame was just to much to handle...
    pharmjodPitfall69LegoKipBumblepantsBanditwagnerml2RonyarBuriedinBricksjasor
  • enotogaenotoga Member Posts: 133
    Does anybody when when the next 2X VIP points month will be. I mean, is there a pattern? Does Lego do these promos at the same time each year?
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    edited January 2015
    ^March or April, I believe. It varies...
  • goshe7goshe7 Member Posts: 515
    Sir_Gareth said:

    How much will the Rocket Raccoon polybag likely be worth by October this year?

    $10 give or take. Good quantities, around 200 per US store, were generally available. Large amounts scooped up for resale. Movie will fade over the coming months (sequel not coming before Oct). Its not going to drop below retail; I just don't see it rising much over the coming months either.
    Purploros
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    Legoboy said:

    ^ And your opinion counts?

    Pitfall69 said:

    piratemania7 said:

    Sir_Gareth said:

    How much will the Rocket Raccoon polybag likely be worth by October this year?

    27x it's RRP
    Thanks for your opinion , but I don't think you can make that claim at all ;)

    Legoboy said:

    ^ And your opinion counts?

    Listen. I was only joking. I was making fun of comment(s) made in the "Hobbit Minifigure Thread" :)

  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    PS. His opinion only counts when he's not high on MLP fumes.
    Pitfall69ShibRonyarpharmjodjasor
  • PlellPlell Member Posts: 192
    enotoga said:

    Does anybody when when the next 2X VIP points month will be. I mean, is there a pattern? Does Lego do these promos at the same time each year?

    March 14-28. The only pattern I know of is two weeks in March or April, and all month in October, but the exact timing of the two-week double VIP always varies.
  • cloaked7cloaked7 Member Posts: 1,448
    Pitfall69 should change his moniker to "Pitfall27". :-) Has a nice ring to it. Then he could say introduce himself something like this... "Hi. I'm Pitfall. Pitfall27."

    I'm almost there myself. Just need to squeeze in the '2'.
    wagnerml2Bumblepants
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,836
    cloaked7 said:

    Pitfall69 should change his moniker to "Pitfall27". :-) Has a nice ring to it. Then he could say introduce himself something like this... "Hi. I'm Pitfall. Pitfall27."

    I'm almost there myself. Just need to squeeze in the '2'.

    Well enough to beat it to death.. whoops too late.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    edited January 2015
    Speaking of MLP. This little gem has liquid inside her. I...Must...Resist...
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    There are two freebee sets that are supposed to be given out with select orders from S@H this month: #40140 and #30274. However, I added items to my cart (including the new Slave 1) and neither item shows up. Did these extras already sell-out within a few days? If so, I guess I'll have to hold off on my next order from S@H until there is additional incentive. I might not be so tight-fisted with my funds if TLG had decent deals from time to time.
  • brickupdatebrickupdate Member Posts: 1,020
    @Farmer_John Yes, if you check out the S@H thread, people have been reporting on this - both sets seem to have "sold out," and are no longer available.

    http://www.bricksetforum.com/discussion/18104/s-h#latest
    Pitfall69
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    ^Thanks @brickupdate! Too bad...I had some items I was planning to order. I guess I'll wait until next month when I can get the Han Solo MF... ;-)
  • BuriedinBricksBuriedinBricks Member Posts: 1,367
    Farmer_John said:

    ^Thanks @brickupdate! Too bad...I had some items I was planning to order. I guess I'll wait until next month when I can get the Han Solo MF... ;-)

    If that's the best they can do next month, I'll be waiting a bit longer to pick up DO..
    Pitfall69FollowsClosely
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    iccarus said:

    Farmer_John said:

    ^Thanks @brickupdate! Too bad...I had some items I was planning to order. I guess I'll wait until next month when I can get the Han Solo MF... ;-)

    If that's the best they can do next month, I'll be waiting a bit longer to pick up DO..
    They should just mail out Hoth Han Solo to VIP members with a note that says "We are deeply sorry" ;)

    canon03BuriedinBricks
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    edited January 2015
    iccarus said:

    Farmer_John said:

    ^Thanks @brickupdate! Too bad...I had some items I was planning to order. I guess I'll wait until next month when I can get the Han Solo MF... ;-)

    If that's the best they can do next month, I'll be waiting a bit longer to pick up DO..
    Yeah...I'm with you. I was being sarcastic...hence the wink.

    I enjoy Lego as much as the next AFOL, but it's important (at least to me) to get decent deals on such an expensive toy. With the lack of opportunities to purchase at reasonable prices in the USA, the whole thing is losing its shine.
    Pitfall69BuriedinBricks
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    ^The problem is twofold. We want Lego to produce great and desirable sets, but then we all want to buy them and that gets expensive. Just when you think you have caught up, another wave gets released and you are back to square one.
    RonyarFarmer_JohnBuriedinBricks
  • MAGNINOMINISUMBRAMAGNINOMINISUMBRA Member Posts: 993
    edited January 2015
    With the lack of opportunities to purchase at reasonable prices in the USA, the whole thing is losing its shine.
    I never understand this train of thought as you guys stateside, for the most part, have the cheapest LEGO on the planet.
    RevBluesmargotLegoKip
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    Everything is relative. Lego is cheaper than the EU and Aus in the US, but that doesn't stop someone in the US wanting to get it cheaper still.
  • BastaBasta Member Posts: 1,259
    ^ ^ at the monent we here in Australia are actually getting some good pricing when comparing global prices (granted its due to our weak dollar)

    Some exclusive are particular good value when comparing, assuming the right department store stocks it.

    Recently we have seen the following prices during regular sales (I.e. 20% or 25% off):

    Town Hall ($176USD, £117GBP)
    Sydney Opera House ($242USD, £160GBP)
    Fairground Mixer ($121USD, £80GBP)
    Perisian Restaurant ($161USD, £107GBP)
    Palace Cinema ($130USD, £85GBP).

    These are all inclusive of GST (Tax).
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    edited January 2015
    CCC said:

    Everything is relative. Lego is cheaper than the EU and Aus in the US, but that doesn't stop someone in the US wanting to get it cheaper still.

    And this is wrong because...?

    Frankly, the RRP of a Lego set is irrelevant to me IF I can pick it up from time to time on sale for a reasonable price. We don't have that option in the USA anymore unlike those of you in the EU, UK, etc. Not only does TLG not have sales at S@H and in their stores, but they have also stopped all the big distribution companies (Amazon, Walmart, Target, etc.) from having sales on the most desirable sets.
    pharmjoddougts
  • pharmjodpharmjod Member Posts: 2,916
    To me the whole thing with LEGO dictating pricing terms to the stores that sell their product just flies in the face of free markets. Make no mistake, it will eventually catch up to them.
    OdinduskVaderX
  • pharmjodpharmjod Member Posts: 2,916
    To me the whole thing with LEGO dictating pricing terms to the stores that sell their product just flies in the face of free markets. Make no mistake, it will eventually catch up to them.
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    Farmer_John said:

    CCC said:

    Everything is relative. Lego is cheaper than the EU and Aus in the US, but that doesn't stop someone in the US wanting to get it cheaper still.

    And this is wrong because...?

    Where did I say it is wrong? It is not wrong.

    I can afford most Lego at RRP. But I'm not going to pay that for it, not when I can normally wait and get a discount.
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    Farmer_John said:


    Frankly, the RRP of a Lego set is irrelevant to me IF I can pick it up from time to time on sale for a reasonable price. We don't have that option in the USA anymore unlike those of you in the EU, UK, etc. Not only does TLG not have sales at S@H and in their stores, but they have also stopped all the big distribution companies (Amazon, Walmart, Target, etc.) from having sales on the most desirable sets.

    Remember too that even though we sometimes get S@H discounts, they often don't bring down the prices below US prices. So your unreasonable RRP in the US might actually be less than what others might consider a reasonable sale price in the UK/EU.
  • JP3804JP3804 Member Posts: 332
    The average American has no idea what the rest of the world pays for Lego. I am sure most don't care. They just know that large Lego set don't go on sale.
    I don't know how this is affecting sales but I have only bought 5 large sets in the last year. Normally that would have be 20 to 30.
    FollowsCloselyBrickDancerdougts
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    ^ Yes, whilst that is true, it currently makes more sense for lego to sell some of it's sets in Europe rather than in the US. Some sets are selling out as fast as they are produced. If the ex-VAT / tax price is significantly more in the UK/EU than the US, then it makes more sense to sell them to Europeans rather than Americans, especially at a discount. Why ship large quantities to the US (with cheaper RRPs than Europe) and need to discount them to sell them all, when they will sell in the EU at little if any discount.

    Indeed, this could be the reason for the US price increases in things like CMFs and baseplates. Your prices are getting close to ours. This type of product doesn't really need to compete with more general toys in the local market. Whereas SW lego and similar sets do need to compete with other similar toys that are on the shelf next to them. So you still get decent prices (compared to the EU) on those type of sets.
  • BastaBasta Member Posts: 1,259
    edited January 2015
    One of the issues with the "no discounts on exclusives" is that Lego can't produce enough sets to meet demand, so there is not a huge amount of incentive for Lego or retailers to give discounts this means that the policy is currently a little moot doesn't it?

    What would be interesting is if Lego actually got ahead on production. My opinion of the no discount policy was that retailers (at least the big ones) got something out of it (such as even better pricing) but maybe they agreed as they knew they were going to be able to move all their stock without discounts anyway..
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,728
    Something about healthcare and taxes comparisons in 3...2...1...
    SirKevbagsLegoKipLegoboycardgeniusLostInTranslationdougts
  • hoyatableshoyatables Member Posts: 873
    The lack of availability of the Flower Cart is very annoying. It's only a few days into the month! I assume it is sold out in stores as well. I was waiting to go to a store so I could also redeem my coupon for a free LEGO employee minifig from the store calendar.

    But on the other hand, that makes it easy for me to "pass" on new sets at LEGO's RRP. I got the two superhero sets I wanted the most on a great discount at Target, and I'll take the $17+ I saved there over a Flower Cart.
    Farmer_JohnBrickDancer
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    Bumblepants said:

    Something about healthcare and taxes comparisons in 3...2...1...

    That's why I mentioned ex-VAT prices (even though it is impossible to buy ex-VAT from lego retail).

  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    CCC said:

    Remember too that even though we sometimes get S@H discounts, they often don't bring down the prices below US prices. So your unreasonable RRP in the US might actually be less than what others might consider a reasonable sale price in the UK/EU.

    I understand. My point is not to begrudge the EU/UK for having good prices from time to time, which I think is great. My dissatisfaction is that for the past 1.5 years TLG has had no sales on the larger, desirable sets in the USA AND strictly enforces a no-sale policy with distributors. Getting smaller sets at reasonable prices isn't as much of an issue here, but of course a smaller set puts less of a dent in the wallet anyway.
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    Farmer_John said:

    My dissatisfaction is that for the past 1.5 years TLG has had no sales on the larger, desirable sets in the USA AND strictly enforces a no-sale policy with distributors. Getting smaller sets at reasonable prices isn't as much of an issue here, but of course a smaller set puts less of a dent in the wallet anyway.

    Remember the alternative (to the no sale policy for distributors, which is probably illegal in the EU) is that they keep the larger sets as exclusives, and only allow retailers to take the smaller sets that sell in large volumes or let one other store have an exclusive - where that store rarely discounts unless they price match, and they'll never need to price match an exclusive. This is happening a bit now in the UK with some sets, hence the joy when a second (alternative) retailer that does do discounts gets a large set on their books.
  • AdeelZubairAdeelZubair Member Posts: 2,710
    edited January 2015
    Good news! New Green and Sand baseplates...and the sad news is the blue and normal green baseplates are discontinued. I'm not really concerned about the green baseplate but the blue one was the easiest option for water. It looks as if global warming has come early for LEGO City and the water has been evaporated leaving behind sand :)

    Seriously why did you discontinue the blue baseplate? Now I will have no water for my LEGO City :/
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