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Ucs at-at ebay

I've asked the seller to remove my pictures and amend the item description to no avail so could you please report the item.

Thanks

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=121522919203

Comments

  • ecmo47ecmo47 North CarolinaMember Posts: 2,084
    Having built one of these models, this offer is very suspicious. He took the time to collect all the pieces (a very formidable task) but now cannot build it? If those are quart size bags, it doesn't look like near enough parts compared to the tub fulls that I rounded up. Also, it doesn’t stated whether he has the rare parts (like the LBG 8x8 radar [email protected] 25.00 each) which I would do if I were to sell. Honestly, the “Buy-it-Now” price is low. Based on the fact the it has never been built, I would suspect that this listing is short A LOT of parts.

    On a side note, who did the sticker? Any chance of still getting one of those?
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 803
    Pm me your email add ill send you the sticker file.
  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719
    Cavegod, I'll gladly report the item for you, but can you provide some concrete evidence that these are your pictures?

    I've had at least one ebay seller use my auction photos before. I both asked the seller to remove them and reported the item to ebay, and neither action did anything. I've also reported other random stuff to ebay, and nothing ever gets done. I think that, unless it makes or saves money for ebay , they're not interested in doing anything. In this case, maybe they will since the auction is probably fraudulent.
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 803
    Just look on my flickr youl see the pics.
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 803
    Cheers!
  • samiam391samiam391 A Log Cabin in KY, United StatesMember Posts: 4,239
    @cavegod‌ - I Just spent some time communicating with the seller over about 20 messages and convinced him to take the photos down.

    I just checked the listing, and it appears he has done just that. :o)
    drdavewatfordyys4uklatu003
  • jasonord69ajasonord69a UKMember Posts: 398
    Item also reported.
    A bit off topic but relevant and funny. I once had someone copy an ebay listing exactly for a satnav I was selling about 10 years ago. I used photobucket and html to list the item and it was copied exactly, including all the html links.

    I reported the item but ebay did nothing for a few days. I was annoyed so took my own revenge. I uploaded an image of a condom box to photobucket and changed the pictures from my satnav listing into pictures of condom boxes.
    I ended my listing early and let his carry on. He had already had some bids and was unable to end or edit his listing.

    For the next 5 or 6 days he received no more bids on his satnav which looked like a box of condoms.
    mdellemanyys4uPhoneboothsnowhitieBobflipRedbullgivesuwinddougts
  • samiam391samiam391 A Log Cabin in KY, United StatesMember Posts: 4,239
    ^Obviously to late, but since the seller has fixed the issue there is no longer a need to report the listing.
  • DawnDawn GoldMember Posts: 247
    Wonder how can the item been listed as "new" ...
  • margotmargot Member Posts: 2,310
    Tempted to bid on it. :-)
    chd223
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 803
    Well the pics are gone but hes still selling the files with it.
  • samiam391samiam391 A Log Cabin in KY, United StatesMember Posts: 4,239
    cavegod said:

    Well the pics are gone but hes still selling the files with it.

    @cavegod‌ - Ah, ok. Is that the main problem? He'll have nigh an impossible time trying to sell that thing without directions.
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,847
    He's Selling the pieces. The instructions are free. I think you gotta let that one go.
  • chd223chd223 Member Posts: 16
    I talked to the seller for quite some time and I believe he just meant to put your pics up because he never finished the At-At, his dog knocked it over! He said he never would think that just using pictures would be an issue. And for everyone out there, I am bidding on it in a few days so everyone get ready for a bidding war
  • BrewBrew New Mexico (It's an actual state in the US)Member Posts: 182
    I know for a fact that the instructions are not free, unless @cavegod‌ wants to give them to someone for free. Nor should they be. They represent a ton of work to get them into LDD and should not be profited off of by someone other than the author. The seller should be free to sell the pieces, but not instructions/files. Just my opinion.
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,847
    edited December 2014
    Did the seller BUY the instructions? If so, he can do whatever the heck he wants to in disposing of them. If he came into them illegally that is a different story. If you don't want someone potentially reselling something you sold, don't sell it in the first place.
  • ShpadoinkleShpadoinkle 13 hours West of BillundMember Posts: 418
    I contacted the seller as well, figuring it might be worth kicking the tires a bit. I purchased the files from Cavegod awhile back, but as I'm still working on my UCS collection I hadn't started buying parts and thought this could be just the thing.

    One thing I will mention from talking with the seller is that apparently the rare parts (8 x 8 dishes, large wheels, barrels) are PAINTED to match the other lbg parts. That would certainly account for the price. No I personally wouldn't work with painted parts but as I understand it substitutions can be made for these super rare/expensive parts for a relatively low price.

    However I believe I'll be holding off on this one. It's just a really bad time of year to try to justify big ticket items for myself...Tis the season!
  • oldtodd33oldtodd33 Denver 4800 miles to BillundMember Posts: 2,369
    ^ At the very least he should be reported to someone for painting Lego parts.
    pharmjodyys4usnowhitie
  • chd223chd223 Member Posts: 16
    ^^ the seller stated that he painted parts in the description. I was skeptical so I asked for pictures compared to regular LBG parts and they look the same as any other LBG part
  • BrewBrew New Mexico (It's an actual state in the US)Member Posts: 182
    pharmjod said:

    Did the seller BUY the instructions? If so, he can do whatever the heck he wants to in disposing of them. If he came into them illegally that is a different story. If you don't want someone potentially reselling something you sold, don't sell it in the first place.

    I completely see your point. Just to me, it feels slimy. Using that logic, I could have bought the instructions and then posted them for everyone to have for free. While not really illegal, certainly not very ethical.

    The seller should sell the pieces and tell the buyer where he can buy the files. Again, just my opinion.
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,847
    edited December 2014
    @Brew‌ What you are describing is pretty perverse stretch of my logic. The seller no longer has any use for the instructions. He is thus including them in a transaction that has all of the pieces necessary to build the model. They are an essential part of the transaction. He is not attempting to distribute them and profit off of them via eBay auctions just for the instructions. This is no different than selling a used LEGO set complete with instructions.

    What you are suggesting could actually be an illegal copyright breach at worst and a douchey thing to do at best.

    I for one hope that @cavegod‌ has made a good sum of money on his instructions and that it gets made into a LEGO set (of course we know that will never happen as the model currently exists for cost purposes). If it does not get made into an official set, I hope he continues to be able to profit on sales of the instructions. It as beautiful model and worth supporting for those that have the means.

    However, I fully understand the venom that exists on this site when the mere mention of the word "reseller" arises.
  • graphitegraphite USMember Posts: 3,239
    I'd say if he paid for the original instructions and he's only selling one model with one set of instructions there isn't anything legal wrong with that unless the original sale had some sort of clause that it could not be resold. If he was trying to sell multiple kits or just had the instructions for sale more than once then he is being shady but the legal side of it might be grey area since it is an artistic work like a photograph then there is usually some sort of creator ownership laws but enforcing is always weird.

    On the other hand selling the instructions as "AT-AT" is probably technically illegal as well since that name is IP probably owned under the Star Wars licensing and probably should have been named generically.
  • BrewBrew New Mexico (It's an actual state in the US)Member Posts: 182
    Again, I do see your point. And I concede that my example was extreme (something I would never consider doing). I was just trying to say that this is someone's MOC, not a regular Lego set and represents a lot of work. I do feel it's a little 'douchey' to resell someone's MOC files. In the end, if you are going to sell such files, it is something you have to accept I guess.
    pharmjod
  • klatu003klatu003 Hobbiton, Shire, Middle EarthMember Posts: 717
    I bought instructions for the Golden Hall of Edoras. I built it and plan to keep it intact, so I no longer need the instructions. I guess can sell them to someone else? Used, so less than full price, of course. I don't remember one of those pesky disclaimers by @KevBrickstruct saying I was only buying a license for the instructions for my personal use.
  • chd223chd223 Member Posts: 16
    The seller has reposted the AT-AT after it was taken down for being listed as new instead of used haha. Anyways I thought I better give you guys the link to the new listing

    http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=121524564482
  • chd223chd223 Member Posts: 16
    Nevermind he sold it for $800
  • ecmo47ecmo47 North CarolinaMember Posts: 2,084
    ^ Not a bad price considering the amount of work it is to source all the parts. By the way, can anybody find the thread where we posted all of our various building experiences? I could not locate it this morning.
  • kidsncritterskidsncritters Member Posts: 1
    are the ATAT instructions available for purchase?
  • thehornedratthehornedrat Member Posts: 86
    Yeah, I'd buy it just for the parts.
  • graphitegraphite USMember Posts: 3,239
    It definitely cost me a more than $800 for all the parts.
  • yuffieyuffie Member Posts: 91
    I was going to ask if the instructions and parts list are available for the model.
  • drdavewatforddrdavewatford Hertfordshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 6,222
    edited December 2014

    are the ATAT instructions available for purchase?

    PM @cavegod‌ - he's the designer of the AT-AT and can get you set up with the instructions.
    yuffie said:

    I was going to ask if the instructions and parts list are available for the model.

    As above.
    graphite said:

    It definitely cost me more than $800 for all the parts.

    Me too....
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,298
    I don't know what the legalities are for things like this. I know that this was discussed in full in other threads. @LegoFanTexas‌ was a major contributor in that discussion. A lot of it had to so with selling books overseas.
  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,691
    Crumbs you have a good memory. I remember that.
  • KevBrickstructKevBrickstruct Member Posts: 42
    klatu003 said:

    I bought instructions for the Golden Hall of Edoras. I built it and plan to keep it intact, so I no longer need the instructions. I guess can sell them to someone else? Used, so less than full price, of course. I don't remember one of those pesky disclaimers by @KevBrickstruct saying I was only buying a license for the instructions for my personal use.

    I know you jest of course (Klatu003) so no worries ;), but I can understand how CaveGod would feel about this auction, as I've been thru it too,.. and Ebay was not much help in pulling it down.

    Selling the completed model on Ebay with the instructions is a crap move by anyone…if it's not your design. Unless you create the instructions, or have taken the time to create your own instructions….a seller on Ebay doing this with someone else's work can't possibly begin to respect what kind of blood , sweat , and cost that goes into creating custom instructions/ designs. Especially one the size of the AT AT, or the Golden Hall!
  • samiam391samiam391 A Log Cabin in KY, United StatesMember Posts: 4,239
    Well, happy I could solve all the problems by purchasing it ;o)

    After continued discourse with the seller trying to get the pictures down, I decided that now might actually be the time to dive into this project since I might never be able to buy the pieces cheaper (looks like I was fortunately right from comments above). Made him an offer, negotiated for most of the night, and finally got him to concede. Since I've already purchased the instructions from cavegod over a year ago, there's no harm there either.

    I'll definitely be picking your all's brains for information/tips/tricks on how to build this beast. So stay tuned :o)
    cavegodmargotShpadoinkleaimlesspursuitsPitfall69klatu003BrickDancerecmo47Buzzsaw
  • ecmo47ecmo47 North CarolinaMember Posts: 2,084
    edited December 2014
    Glad the story has a happy ending! Here's some of our collective knowledge already:

    http://www.bricksetforum.com/discussion/11365/ucs-at-at-ready-for-duty/p1

  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    I bought @cavegod's instructions from him. I have not yest amassed everything I need, but plan on it being epic when I do! I highly recommend it!
    margot
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