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LEGO Pirates 2015 sets pictures!

just2goodjust2good Member Posts: 247
They're out! What do y'all think?

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  • tdhbrtdhbr Member Posts: 188
    I'll be jumping on board the ship, almost definitely. I sold a MISB Queens Anne's Revenge at Xmas last year, and even tho I made a great profit I've been regretting it. This isn't a replacement for that, but close enough. The rest I'm not sure about, I can probably MOC better things to go with the ship.
  • korkor Member Posts: 392
    I LOVE the minifigures!!! Also nice to see the Masonry brick in red(or dark red). The ship is great but the rest of the sets feel pretty weak. I'll still buy a bunch for the figures.
    madforLEGO
  • T_LarsT_Lars USAMember Posts: 104
    They do look a bit better than the preliminary sets that leaked, but still not great. The minifigs look really good so I'm sorta disappointed in the somewhat small number you get with 70413, as that would be the only set from this series I'd consider getting.
  • T_LarsT_Lars USAMember Posts: 104
    edited October 2014
    Just noticed the kid pirate in 70413. Maybe a nod to the 1989 pirate comic book?
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,501
    70412 Minifig leg printing is nice. Some of the other minifigs look a bit old fashioned to me.

    The builds I don't find very inspiring, and I'm not a fan of the ship. While it was never going to be an IF, it doesn't even look as good as BP or QAR.
  • CapnRex101CapnRex101 United KingdomAdministrator Posts: 2,263
    Mixed feelings. I am very pleased to see the bluecoats making a return and the forts look decent despite their small size but as mentioned above, the ship looks fairly weak to me, perhaps even worse than Brickbeard's Bounty from the last Pirates theme.
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Sofia BG/Dallas TXMember Posts: 5,645
    I like some of the new versions of the classic pirate shirts and faces but nothing really grabs me. Now if there was a ramped baseplate with either a fort or a hideout on top...
  • yys4uyys4u USA SoCalMember Posts: 1,092
    Still look the same as the prelim images, but those figures look fantastic! I'll be buying the whole line the day I find them!
  • BuriedinBricksBuriedinBricks USAMember Posts: 1,366
    kor said:

    Also nice to see the Masonry brick in red(or dark red).

    I think I'm more excited about this than any of the sets, and I love pirates as a theme.

    AndormadforLEGO
  • AndorAndor United StatesMember Posts: 252
    This are awesome. That builds might be small, but the minifigures are great. I found it interesting that there is a female wearing the same clothes as the "imperial" soldiers.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,249
    Ohh look Black seas Barracuda 3.0.. yawn. Really uninspired designs and half an effort by LEGO IMO (I guess I am allowed to say it now after seeing the 'finished' pictures and sets)
    I just think that LEGO could have done little things, like new sails color schemes instead of rehashing the red and white again. And no ship for the Imperial forces. I guess they did not have ships at all.. wonder how they took out the pirates?
    I hope this is only the beginning and more sets are on the way for the second half of 2015, but if not this is a pretty sad effort by LEGO IMO.

    Especially when the high point of these is the dark red Masonry brick being included.
    nkx1yys4uLusiferSam
  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719
    ^Couldn't agree more. That thing is like the Ford Pinto of pirate ships- small, crappy and ugly!

    I would certainly be willing to pay more for better sets. I don't know why Lego has dumbed down the pirate sets so drastically. Must be what the average buyer wants?
    madforLEGO
  • TresillianTresillian Member Posts: 60
    Am very happy, and I know my son will be too, it's been too long with no Pirates AAAAARRRRRR
  • koozkooz Connecticut, USAMember Posts: 158
    To me, these look totally uninspired.
  • natro220natro220 USAMember Posts: 545
    Agree with most of you, they could have done so much more with the subject matter. No soldier ship, no merchant ship, no pirate base (Shipwreck Defense doesn't really seem like much)...and the Soldier's Fort doesn't seem much more substansive than the old Sabre Island...nowhere near the size or grandeur of Eldorado's Fortress. And the pirate ship is a seriously poor recreation of the BSB as someone mentioned. We need a proper pirate ship to do battle with the Imperial Flagship, not this wimpy thing.
  • thorniethornie Member Posts: 245
    Meh... Which has been my response to most new Lego sets these days. I'm happy it's back, but these are following in the same uninspired footsteps of the lame Castle sets released last year. Interesting to see the Imperial soldiers wearing blue again, after wearing red for a very long time.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,249
    edited October 2014
    nkx1 said:

    ^Couldn't agree more. That thing is like the Ford Pinto of pirate ships- small, crappy and ugly!

    I would certainly be willing to pay more for better sets. I don't know why Lego has dumbed down the pirate sets so drastically. Must be what the average buyer wants?

    I will say the silver lining is that the sets I think are relatively cheap with the pirate ship being about 69.99USD I believe, and that being the most expensive, with a few between 10-40 dollars. I wonder if LEGO is finally listening to those complaining about the high prices
    But again aside from prices, Just really sad looking line to me
    nkx1
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,501
    Something crap and cheap isn't going to compete too well with other similar priced toys. But it will put off people that wanted decent, and were willing to pay.
    dougtsnkx1thornie
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734

    I will say the silver lining is that the sets I think are relatively cheap with the pirate ship being about 69.99USD I believe, and that being the most expensive, with a few between 10-40 dollars.

    The rumored price for the ship was $179.99 NZD. All sets with that price on [email protected] are $99.99 is the US.

    If you consider inflation, this price point is similar to that of #6274 Caribbean Clipper in 1989. This ship looks more substantial than that.
    Aanchir
  • plasmodiumplasmodium UKMember Posts: 1,936
    I'm not sure what the negative comments are about. Sure, it's not stellar, but surely it's nearer "average" than it is "rubbish" as a theme?

    I probably won't buy any, sure, but then I only tend to buy the occasional small exclusives anyway. But I am happy that the soldiers get a bit more focus, and that there is more than one 'fort' type set. Also, the new pirate torso and face prints are pretty neat, and feel quite Classic-inspired to me.

    I'm pretty sure my brother will pick up a mid-sized one. I'm also pretty sure they'll prove popular with MOCers and army builders (but that depends on price).
    Andor
  • DedgeckoDedgecko Seattle, WAMember Posts: 799
    We need some trade galleons, or something for these Pirates to plunder and the soldiers to defend!
    Andor
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,501
    Set images are now up (eurobricks thread http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=91306&st=0) ...

    image

    Note they are using the new SW blaster for mini canons.
    Andoryys4u
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    The blaster doesn't work too bad as a Falconet type of weapon.
  • TarDomoTarDomo FinlandMember Posts: 515
    The remind me from the 2009 wave. Some sets are like new versions of those sets.
  • andheandhe UKMember Posts: 2,690
    They remind me of the 'Junior' range that TLG have doen for a couple of Fire/Police set and the King's Castle one...

    The builds look bland and disappointing, and that crocodile looks like he's snuck in from a Duplo set. Figs looks nice though, I like that they've used updated versions of the classic pirate torsos.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,249
    edited November 2014
    andhe said:

    They remind me of the 'Junior' range that TLG have doen for a couple of Fire/Police set and the King's Castle one...

    The builds look bland and disappointing, and that crocodile looks like he's snuck in from a Duplo set. Figs looks nice though, I like that they've used updated versions of the classic pirate torsos.

    The Croc is basically the same Croc that has been in every LEGO pirate line since inception, just a bit darker than before now and I think a bit more detailed than previous ones if I am not mistaken.The builds are bland and disappointing, but the silver lining is they are cheap, or should be anyway. I really does look like LEGO phoned it in on this line though. Must be partying at LEGO like it is 1999.
  • richoricho Member Posts: 3,798
    andhe said:

    They remind me of the 'Junior' range that TLG have doen for a couple of Fire/Police set and the King's Castle one...

    The builds look bland and disappointing, and that crocodile looks like he's snuck in from a Duplo set. Figs looks nice though, I like that they've used updated versions of the classic pirate torsos.

    I agree with this. They feel a bit too juniorised, not withstanding Lego actually is a toy...Am disappointed in this range to be honest.
  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,938
    TarDomo said:

    The remind me from the 2009 wave. Some sets are like new versions of those sets.


    Yup. I see this not as juniorized, but basically some of the same sets from the 2009 wave, but revamped. I liked the 2009 wave better.

  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,096
    El-crapo. Makes the last Castle theme look good. Not even good for parts unless you want the minifigs. Might as well buy Playmobil.
    nkx1
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Sofia BG/Dallas TXMember Posts: 5,645
    Things could get a bit more interesting if there is a summer wave with a few more substantial sets. The bigger sets tend to come out for the second half of the year so it wouldn't be too surprising. Also with Kingdoms Joust likely headed out the door perhaps there might be an exclusive Pirate set in the pipeline? That would be exciting
  • GIR3691GIR3691 Member Posts: 655
    I think they're about on par with the 09 Pirates theme, if not a little better. The builds could all stand to be a little more substantial, but I guess they're hesitant to push too many large sets in this theme. I'd love to see a large Imperial fort or Pirate cave fortress, but I guess it's all just battle packs and outposts with one ship.
    Andor
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,789
    Love that #70411 Treasure Island set, reminds me of #6248 Volcano Island from my own childhood (and definitely a lot better than #6241 Loot Island in pretty much every respect). I feel like a lot of these sets have a level of detail you usually only see in licensed themes to make them look jagged or decrepit. Likewise, the cobbled-together look of #70409 Shipwreck Defense, the rocky foundation of #70410 Soldier's Outpost, and the exposed bricks of it and #70412 all feel much more detailed as far as construction is concerned than many previous Pirates sets.

    The subject matter has a very back-to-basics feel, which probably is part of why it feels so redundant to long-time Pirates fans. A pirate ship, an imperial fort, an imperial outpost, and a pirate hideout on a deserted island are all quintessential subject matter for any LEGO Pirates theme (and subject matter I remember fondly from my own childhood), and so after such a lengthy hiatus since the last true Pirates sets, they have to be its starting point.

    I DO hope that there are other Pirates sets still to come, though, because if we keep having a lengthy hiatus after every LEGO Pirates wave and have to start fresh every time we will indeed miss out on some of the more diverse sorts of sets that could help broaden the theme's subject matter. #70413 The Brick Bounty is just fine, but it'd be a shame if there weren't a proper Imperial vessel for it to do battle with.

    Look at LEGO City. Sure, we get a new police station every year or two, but because the theme continues nonstop, each one for the past several years has been considerably different than the one before it! We had a metropolitan police station in 2011, a forest police station in 2012, a metropolitan police station with very different architecture from the 2011 one in 2014, and now a swamp police station in 2015! By contrast, when you have a lengthy gap between new waves of a theme, it basically has to start from square one each time it gets relaunched.

    Sadly we're unlikely to see an Islanders subtheme like the one I loved as a child (I was King Kahuka for Halloween in 1994!) due to it being rather politically incorrect.
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  • BumblepantsBumblepants Sofia BG/Dallas TXMember Posts: 5,645
    ^awesome costume!
    cheshirecatandheyys4uweevin
  • prof1515prof1515 EarthMember Posts: 1,561
    Lego's phoning it in again with a virtual rehash of the 2009 line. It's sad when just hearing the name of a set allows one to describe it in practically every pathetic detail because there's little originality to be found in Lego's set designs.
    dougts
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,108
    Aanchir said:


    Sadly we're unlikely to see an Islanders subtheme like the one I loved as a child due to it being rather politically incorrect.

    I think it is still possible, just not exactly the same, after all we had a Tiki guy CMF which could be the new islanders. (Also that was one awesome costume!)
    catwrangler
  • andheandhe UKMember Posts: 2,690


    The Croc is basically the same Croc that has been in every LEGO pirate line since inception, just a bit darker than before now and I think a bit more detailed than previous ones if I am not mistaken.

    I'm just not keen on the new curves. Though I'm sure there would be people that would think the opposite and complain if TLG reused the old mould. It's all opinion.

    Old croc/gator
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    Duplo croc/gator
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    catwrangler
  • richoricho Member Posts: 3,798
    Yeah, I can't agree with the point that these sets have the detail of licenced sets, just feel very blocky to me. I think these are a huge lost opportunity. The artwork feels very juniorised, the sets look like rehashes of 2009, and the detail just isn't there for me. It's a pass on these, although I will be interested to get my daughters take on them who is much closer the target market!
    andhedougts
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,501
    I think we have to think of the target market here ... kids haven't had pirates for 5 years. Kids aged probably 4-12 will like the sets - it will be something most of them have not seen in the past.
    Bumblepantsyys4u
  • CapnRex101CapnRex101 United KingdomAdministrator Posts: 2,263
    LEGO Pirates has always been my favourite unlicensed theme, so I am very excited to pick some of these sets up, particularly the Imperial Soldier based ones.

    I agree with above comments that the sets could be improved in places, although if we get more than one wave I will be very happy no matter what. A set like the old Imperial Trading Post would be an absolute dream!
    Andor
  • richoricho Member Posts: 3,798
    CCC said:

    I think we have to think of the target market here ... kids haven't had pirates for 5 years. Kids aged probably 4-12 will like the sets - it will be something most of them have not seen in the past.

    Agreed. Sometimes this gets lost on us, which is the point I was making.
    catwrangler
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,789
    Shib said:

    Aanchir said:


    Sadly we're unlikely to see an Islanders subtheme like the one I loved as a child due to it being rather politically incorrect.

    I think it is still possible, just not exactly the same, after all we had a Tiki guy CMF which could be the new islanders. (Also that was one awesome costume!)
    Perhaps you're right. I think one of the things the LEGO Group would have to be careful about with new islanders would be to make them reasonably accurate to a particular island culture. One of the most common types of cultural misrepresentation is to treat lots of disparate cultures as one "composite culture". The Indians in the old Western sets fell into this trap, among other glaring flaws. They lived in a desert landscape reminiscent of the southwest United States where the Pueblo Indians lived, but they lived in tepees like the Plains Indians of the Midwest and had totem poles like the Indians of the Pacific Northwest.

    The Islanders weren't quite so problematic, but they weren't immune to this kind of misrepresentation either. Whether they were meant to be Pacific islanders or Caribbean islanders (the massive statues point towards Pacific, I think), it's not clear why they would have drums patterned with zebra skins, zebras being endemic to Africa.

    The Collectible Minifigures don't have this issue to nearly the same extent, because as individual characters it's much easier to keep them accurate to a particular culture. But start putting a lot of those sorts of minifigures and other cultural hallmarks together in one theme or setting and you might run into trouble.
    Andorcatwrangler
  • piratemania7piratemania7 New EnglandMember Posts: 2,029
    I think the stand out here is the ship and the minifigures. I have paid close attention to each image I've seen and analyzed all the details. Don't get me wrong - there are some pretty cool pieces I'll be very happy to have and build with. However, it's the "remake" of the Classic minifigures that I am most enthralled with.

    Hoping these start hitting the shelves somewhere a little early....
    Andoryys4u
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,501
    The reverse may also be true too. If you make them too specific, some cultures may be insulted that they are being depicted as a toy, or with the way they are depicted doing something in the set. Make them less specific and nobody is insulted since it is not a particular race or culture being depicted. After all, these are all yellow skin made-up people that are not necessarily a specific culture based on anything in particular.
    Andor
  • piratemania7piratemania7 New EnglandMember Posts: 2,029
    I have a particular fondness of the old Western theme from '96. Once the Native American Indian sub-theme was released I thought it was even better - as a 10, 11, 12, etc year old boy I know my friends and I were not thinking about "cultural differences". I know as an adult, this is something many of us are, or should be aware of, but when I was that age and fully into building an old Western town I remember having an Indian tribe hideout on the other side of the room. It was all about the fun and playability more than anything else.
    Andoryys4u
  • CircleKCircleK U.S. - Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 1,055
    CCC said:

    I think we have to think of the target market here ... kids haven't had pirates for 5 years. Kids aged probably 4-12 will like the sets - it will be something most of them have not seen in the past.

    Is Pirates really still a thing with kids? My son is only two so I haven't had a chance to observe this myself yet. I would think that it would have same problem as the Western themes at a certain point though: As time moves on, those types of themes have less relevance during playtime. I could be totally wrong here, but I just don't see your typical 5 year old picking Pirates over Star Wars Rebels, Spiderman, etc.
  • blarghiflarghblarghiflargh Member Posts: 99
    I like the sets myself(Pirates '09 was in my dark age so I never picked those up), but I still don't necessarily agree that LEGO is off the hook with coming up with fresh designs just because these are meant to appeal to children who didn't know about the '09 sets.

    LEGO could have created sets that would appeal to both AFOL and children. It's not like children would find *only* these particular sets appealing.

    LEGO's strategy in this case and the most recent Castle series is a bit baffling. If kids were going to like Castle and Pirates in the first place they'd probably have liked almost anything LEGO did. AFOLs are always the harder sell. And all the AFOLs probably would have wanted is different set ideas, which just about anyone with an afternoon to kill could easily gin up.

    Again, I like the sets and will buy them all save the boat(barring massive discount) but I think it's fair to take LEGO to task for their design decisions in this case.
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,789

    I like the sets myself(Pirates '09 was in my dark age so I never picked those up), but I still don't necessarily agree that LEGO is off the hook with coming up with fresh designs just because these are meant to appeal to children who didn't know about the '09 sets.

    LEGO could have created sets that would appeal to both AFOL and children. It's not like children would find *only* these particular sets appealing.

    LEGO's strategy in this case and the most recent Castle series is a bit baffling. If kids were going to like Castle and Pirates in the first place they'd probably have liked almost anything LEGO did. AFOLs are always the harder sell. And all the AFOLs probably would have wanted is different set ideas, which just about anyone with an afternoon to kill could easily gin up.

    Again, I like the sets and will buy them all save the boat(barring massive discount) but I think it's fair to take LEGO to task for their design decisions in this case.

    I don't entirely see WHY these don't appeal to AFOLs, to be honest. Certainly, they're the same sort of subject matter as in the 2009 Pirates sets, but the designs themselves are very different. And the idea that these are "juniorized" confuses me to no end given the intricate detailing present in many of the designs.

    Just as an example, look at the pier in the Treasure Island set, as well as the rocks under it. That rocky detailing and those uneven boards are beautiful! Rock foundations like this struck me as extraordinary when we first started to see them in sets like #9476, simply because that had previously been something you only saw in MOCs by AFOLs, not in sets! But now it's showing up not only in licensed sets aimed at ages eight and up, but also in non-licensed sets for ages five and up! That's pretty incredible, if you ask me. Likewise, the walls of the Soldier's Outpost are completely brick-built, not just printed or stickered panels like Imperial forts and outposts have so often used in previous sets (and again, we have an elegant brick-built rock foundation).

    I felt the same way about the last Castle wave, though. The sets were few in number and some of them were not outstanding, but they demonstrated a level of detail and building complexity a cut above what I was used to from many previous Castle sets. They definitely measured up to the previous Kingdoms range or even many classic LEGO castles as far as complexity was concerned, and I could never quite figure why so many AFOLs considered them juniorized. #70401 and #70402 were particularly elegant and elaborate designs, and what #70403 lacked in size it made up for in detail. An evil tower built on the ruins of an older castle? Not only was that concept more or less unprecedented in LEGO, but I feel like it was realized remarkably well.

    Even #70404 felt every bit as formidable and elaborate as #7946 — or for that matter, the fan favorite #6085. Yes, I said it. Black Monarch's Castle may have been elegant for its time, but it had no interior furnishings of any kind, fewer and smaller towers, and no ladders or stairs for getting up to the battlements. What's more, it had 294 fewer pieces than 70404, despite costing what would be over thirty dollars more today! And yet somehow, I'm supposed to believe that 70404 was "juniorized"? Balderdash.

    The same goes for these Pirates sets. #70410 may be small, but it is packed with elaborate brick-built detail. I for one think that's admirable and shows a lot of talent and creativity from the designers.
    AndorBJ21catwrangler
  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719

    I don't entirely see WHY these don't appeal to AFOLs, to be honest. Certainly, they're the same sort of subject matter as in the 2009 Pirates sets, but the designs themselves are very different. And the idea that these are "juniorized" confuses me to no end given the intricate detailing present in many of the designs.

    As an AFOL, the sets look juniorized and unappealing to me for the following reasons, however subjective:

    1. The sets generally appear small and/or appear to have required little effort to design (I interpret this as Lego being cheap and/or lazy)
    2. Although the sets might have some details desirable to some (such as rock formations), other more prominent attributes such as bright colors and half-finished appearances overshadow any positive attributes
    3. The sets are unattractive and cheap-looking. That's the general impression I get when looking at these sets.

    I'm fully aware that I'm probably not the target market for these sets, so my opinion obviously doesn't matter much. Nonetheless, it's my opinion of the sets and the reason I wont be buying them.
    madforLEGO
  • piratemania7piratemania7 New EnglandMember Posts: 2,029
    I just cannot wait for my kid to be born in a few months. Will it be too early to build the Pirate sets with him or her when they are released? :)
    PdyxAndorred5
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,501
    CircleK said:

    CCC said:

    I think we have to think of the target market here ... kids haven't had pirates for 5 years. Kids aged probably 4-12 will like the sets - it will be something most of them have not seen in the past.

    Is Pirates really still a thing with kids? My son is only two so I haven't had a chance to observe this myself yet. I would think that it would have same problem as the Western themes at a certain point though: As time moves on, those types of themes have less relevance during playtime. I could be totally wrong here, but I just don't see your typical 5 year old picking Pirates over Star Wars Rebels, Spiderman, etc.
    Yes for pirates, it is still big for kids. I guess i have taken our kids to 25 pirate themed parties over the past few years.

    No for western / cowboys though.
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