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But I'm sure there's some way to use the newer Power Functions. I'm not that proficient at modding though. Someone else might know.
Of course, then the 3677 won't have PF, but you gotta make sacrifices.
Also, looking at the design of the Holiday train you MIGHT need the 8882 power box instead. It's the smaller cylinder style designed for the Emerald Night. But I'm totally speculating on that and the Red Cargo train's PF stuff might be enough.
Assuming I do not have any needed parts and will buy all starting with #10153. What are the other components I will need? And which are the proper tracks to use? Is there an alternative choice to #10153?
If I was going to make it use PF I would build a box car for it in the same colors as the train and again add the motor to the tender.
Also how can you tell if a track set is going to be Old Gray or New Bley in color, since BL lists and have Bley as alternate? Or do all track pieces come in only Old Gray?
This is plugged into an electrical outlet. so no batter pack is needed, 9V track came in Old gray as well as bley so you will have to ask what they have! bley will be more common!
What if the tracks are still in sealed box, is there any way you can predict the color? For example, do they come in different box packaging but with same Set #?
Is the first 'System' track set sure to be Old Gray, while the second 'World City' would be in Bley? Is the System set a mixture of old and new gray? While the 'World City' is only Bley due to its release year?
Thanks again for your insight and help @Grogall!
delusionsthoughts of trying something similar :)
I built a compatible passenger train for this set as well and might build another. I LOVE this Holiday Train. It is the first LEGO train I owned and it makes an appearance each winter since I moved out of a small apartment back in '08. Add this to the Winter Village and it makes for a cute little display.
Just figured it would take 8 XL Baseplates to hold the oval track I have in mind which should be 30"x60" (16 Curved with 16 Straight). That comes out to $120 RRP for the plates alone! So trying to see if this is necessary/recommended to begin with. This is all ending up much more expensive than I thought to get a working 9v system going.
1. Battery Box (rechargeable or AAA)
2. Motorized wheels
3. IR receiver
5. about 15 minutes
Do the following:
1. Put the battery box into the Passenger Car towards the front - do not have it cover the middle of the 3 holes (remove people - they can go in the caboose if you want them to still ride in the train)
2. Put the motorized wheels on the front end of the passenger car, under the battery box (weight improves traction)
3. Run cable from wheels up through floor and connect to IR receiver placed near rear door of car.
4. Connect IR receiver to battery box (tuck in the wires and use elastic bands to keep neat)
5. Make the non-motorized wheels on passenger car only two wheels instead of 3.
6. Replace roof on car and you are all set.
Tip: behind the Passenger car, link the toy car, then tree car then caboose... I found the original configuration (tree car then toy car) kept making the train stick on corners.
Since you mentioned this if your first LEGO train, Power Functions is probably the way to go since the current sets all are Power Functions-based and track is cheaper.
It seems like the 9v system is tidier, given that the train was designed for it - what I gather is that less modifications are needed to motorise the train. But PF has cost efficiency going for it; the straight 9v tracks are expensive. I'm worried that if the WV line keeps going, I'll want to keep expanding the train tracks. With 9v straight tracks averaging approximately €25 for 8 tracks on BL, that could end up being a costly expansion (whatever about expanding it, I'm not sure one set is enough to get the train around the current village).
If anyone can weigh in an opinion I'm all ears, thanks :)
Seems very simple and cheap. Still...as a purist, I prefer true 9V tracks. Nonetheless, this is a cheap alternative.
I've been researching PF modifications all morning, and it is honestly double dutch to me. I downloaded the instructions for the Emerald Night, which uses components not included in the set I linked to above - would motorising the Holiday Train be similar enough to motorising the EN?
If not, the basics to get you going are:
#88000 - battery box (there is rechargeable version (#8878) with a transformer (#8887), but those will set you back over £60!)
#88002 - Train motor
#8884 - IR receiver
#8879 - remote control
The #8293 set is not really suitable for trains (it lacks the infrared controls) and, as Coloradobricks says, the Emerald Night is unique in official Lego Tain sets for being powered by a standalone motor transmitting power to driver wheels, rather than the more usual motor unit.
A motor + gearing system (like on the EN) results in at least 2x the power for pulling a steam train. It's completely worth the effort in my book, assuming your engine is big enough to hide the motor. The "official" holiday train is not, but it could be modified to handle it and still retain the classic look (or just make it a bigger and badder personal version like I would).
Starting from scratch, I'd go with the PF options. They are cheaper, much more readily availalbe and in current production. I had a significant 9V collection prior to it being discontinued, so I have made sure that I have only 9V track that can accomodate both 9V and PF. I didn't like PF at first, but it has grown on me. I recently contributed to the SBrick kickstarter and can't wait to get my shipment and use that in my layout!
NOTE: They will NOT be accurate to the set, but serve the same purpose (and hold train glass) if you are just looking for a set for yourself. If selling it at a later date you will want to remember the substitution though to note it when selling as those will not be the original window frames
I'm another complete train noob who's wondering what's the best way to get the Holiday Train on a track!
I've read all the info already given in this thread but I'm still a bit confused!
Call me crazy but I'm not especially worried about getting the train moving by motor. What I'm picturing is just having a track that I can set out with the other Winter Village sets around it.
So, what exactly do I need to achieve this? 9V track or newer track? And is there anything else I need to buy to add to the train so it will fit properly on the track and be able to be pushed along by hand if we do want to move it?
Hope all this makes sense!