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  • ThegoThego Member Posts: 264
    Goldchains said:

    Hmm...what other alien creatures would go with the Cantina that are from other sets?

    I made a purist Lak Sivrak a while ago: http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=56231
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 811
    I dont think it would be £1000 for a copy of mbs crawler mine cost over that and still not finished yet!
    FollowsClosely
  • LegowerksLegowerks Member Posts: 12
    One thing I haven't seen come up yet regarding the Cantina set is its very probable its going to be an add-on set like Jabbas Palace/Rancor Pitt, that'd explain why they only included three band figures and as far as playsets go it is a little smaller so having an additional piece launch early next year would make sense.
  • dougtsdougts Member Posts: 4,110
    And what would be the add on set to it? Honestly I'm not seeing that as very likely at all
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  • binaryeyebinaryeye Member Posts: 1,831
    dougts said:

    And what would be the add on set to it?

    Now it becomes clear why Wuher was left out: It will, of course, be Wuher's lab below the cantina, where (with help from companion droid C2-R4) he uses Greedo's corpse to finally achieve his life-long dream of concocting the perfect beverage for Jabba the Hutt.
  • LegowerksLegowerks Member Posts: 12
    dougts said:

    And what would be the add on set to it? Honestly I'm not seeing that as very likely at all

    Docking Bay 94 maybe? My guess would be more Cantina, Binaryeye's idea might be a long shot...

  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    Legowerks said:

    dougts said:

    And what would be the add on set to it? Honestly I'm not seeing that as very likely at all

    Docking Bay 94 maybe? My guess would be more Cantina, Binaryeye's idea might be a long shot...

    Yeah, the additional minifigs alone would make it a winner.
  • binaryeyebinaryeye Member Posts: 1,831
    Legowerks said:

    My guess would be more Cantina, Binaryeye's idea might be a long shot...

    I was just illustrating how ridiculous the Expanded Universe can be, at times. It was the only way I could think of them actually expanding the forthcoming set in any considerable way while still being part of the cantina.

    If an add-on were offered that was basically a glorified battle pack (e.g. #75014) with a couple tables in alcoves and a few of the more well-known aliens and others (e.g. BoShek, Kabe, the Devaronian whose apostrophe-laden name I refuse to acknowledge by typing here, Momaw Nadon, Muftak, Ponda Baba, the "Tonnika Sisters", Wuher), it would probably sell like hotcakes. If not to kids then to AFOLs and Star Wars fans.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 1,996
    Looking at the set, I'll be pretty surprised if there's an expansion at all, but rather, a 'suggestion' on the box/in the manual to buy two. That would be enough to get Figrin D'an and the five on-screen Modal Nodes and the 'half a bar' nature of the bar seems to fit with this idea as well.
  • FoxyA19FoxyA19 Member Posts: 124
    Am I the only person who thinks Star Wars lego is over rated and should really not be made any more?
    FollowsClosely
  • Stvoyager04Stvoyager04 Member Posts: 120
    FoxyA19 said:

    Am I the only person who thinks Star Wars lego is over rated and should really not be made any more?

    Well TLG would certainly disagree as would I...
  • markarm919markarm919 Member Posts: 60
    FoxyA19 said:

    Am I the only person who thinks Star Wars lego is over rated and should really not be made any more?

    Maybe. I personally think its a brilliant idea. Drawing on nostalgia from the same generations on two different fronts at the same time? The only thing stopping me from buying all things Star Wars Lego, is money itself.

  • dougtsdougts Member Posts: 4,110
    FoxyA19 said:

    Am I the only person who thinks Star Wars lego is over rated and should really not be made any more?

    I think the concept of SW LEGO is great, but the execution is generally very poor, especially in the non-exclusive sets. The normal lines have become nothing more than glorified minifigure packages, with construction elements that become less substantial year after year.
    FoxyA19
  • CapnRex101CapnRex101 Administrator Posts: 2,364
    edited February 2014
    ^ Further to the above comment, I often wonder whether many Star Wars sets actually have an element of planned obsolescence. It could be that the designers are instructed never to make perfect versions of the most popular vehicles, as TLC knows that they can sell a new version a few years down the line.

    A cynical view perhaps, but I fear it may not be too far from the truth.
    Jonn420FoxyA19GothamConstructionCopharmjod91stlegotrooper
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Member Posts: 3,639
    @FoxyA19 I think quite a few people might agree with you on the SW license, as evidenced by the general groaning when the 10-year renewal contract was signed in 2012. Knowing that it would further continue the rehashing and watering down of sets.

    But the tide changed significantly with the Disney acquisition and announcement of a new sequel trilogy. Thereby reviving the entire franchise and license making them current, desireable with lots of future potential for all involved i.e. Consumers, toy makers, licensees, marketers, etc. Before it was just the OT, PT and CW which was enough to spawn countless sets and characters. Now thrown into the mix will be Yoda Chronicles, Rebels, the new Trilogy and pending solo-character movies.

    So for those bothered by the large emphasis TLG puts on the SW themes, I have bad news for you. It's about to get titanically worse and it's inevitable.
    FollowsCloselyFoxyA19CapnRex10191stlegotrooper
  • binaryeyebinaryeye Member Posts: 1,831
    CapnRex101 said:

    It could be that the designers are instructed never to make perfect versions of the most popular vehicles, as TLC knows that they can sell a new version a few years down the line.

    I don't know about vehicles, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn they do this with minifigures.
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,169
    I do think the latest incarnations of SW vehicles and minifigs are far better than the original versions. For someone that didn't get into it in 99, i'm happy that I had the opportunity to buy stuff like the current Jabba's palace rather than the original. The diversity of minifigs is massive too, which is a plus point to me.
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Member Posts: 1,842
    BrickDancer said:

    Before it was just the OT, PT and CW which was enough to spawn countless sets and characters. Now thrown into the mix will be Yoda Chronicles, Rebels, the new Trilogy and pending solo-character movies.

    I may be alone on this, but for the most part I would prefer that LEGO kept rehashing old sets instead of introducing new subsumes, which generally seem to lack in almost every aspect from my somewhat slightly biased viewpoint. Rehashes give one a chance to purchase sets that were missed out on earlier, but what really frustrates me is that they keep rehashing sets that have already previously been rehashed when they could be doing models that have only been released once! Eg. Cloud city, Tie bomber, Jango's Slave 1, and many more, otherwise, I have no problem with rehashed sets :o)
  • monkey_roomonkey_roo Member Posts: 1,411
    I think some of the sets aren't amazing but since over 400 SW sets have been produced since 99 I wouldn't expect ever set to be a 'home run'. I think if you look at the entire line lego have covered almost every major and minor scene, ship and character (with a few exceptions) from all six movies and other sources and year after year the quality has improved in terms of design etc.

    I don't for a minute think that designers set out to limit themselves with a view to trying again in a few years. I susspect the limits come down from heigher ups, price points are identified, peice counts are set and minifigure numbers and new part costs are added in and these things impact the final designs more that anything.

    As for the line being tiered, not a bit of it and don't think for a minute that the people that signed that 10 year extension back in 12 didn't know that the Disney deal was coming down the road, that was the reason they signed a 10 year deal. Now it's here as @brickdancer says it is about to go epic, movies, animation, TV shows and everything Inbetween. I'm willing to bet that 400 set number doubles in the next 10 years and more than likely be renewed for another 10 in 2022.
  • CapnRex101CapnRex101 Administrator Posts: 2,364
    I think the ideal situation would be to have a mixture of rehashes and new models, which is too an extent what is happening at the moment.

    I am hoping that we will now face a plateau of how Minifigures are designed, which would be logical as I cannot say printing techniques improving much for a few years now. I would prefer LEGO to steer clear of side leg printing and the like as that would be a little too much detail in my opinion, so I think where we are right now is a good balance between accurate Minifigures to the source material, while also retaining the feel of classic LEGO for the most part.
  • roostercogburnroostercogburn Member Posts: 12
    I was hoping for some more KOTOR sets, being that I have enjoyed the ones I have already, but I'm guessing the Rebels sub-line might shelf that for the foreseeable future.

    The Cantina is something I've been waiting for a re-release for awhile, and with a Dewback to boot!
  • CaptAPJTCaptAPJT Member Posts: 223
    Rebels will certainly fill in the gap left by CW and then end of 2015 we'll see the first EP7 sets, one thing we can all be sure of I believe is that we'll see no shortage of X-Wings
  • suprajamessuprajames Member Posts: 366
    As I am sure Admiral Ackbar once said you can never have enough X-Wings :)

    Maybe I have used some artistic licence on that statement ;)
  • KingDaveKingDave Member Posts: 973
    CapnRex101 said:

    ^ Further to the above comment, I often wonder whether many Star Wars sets actually have an element of planned obsolescence. It could be that the designers are instructed never to make perfect versions of the most popular vehicles, as TLC knows that they can sell a new version a few years down the line.

    A cynical view perhaps, but I fear it may not be too far from the truth.

    I don't think that is the case. Just look at how much better the designs are across the entire Lego range now compared to 10 years ago (and how much better they were to sets 20 years ago). They have more bricks and more options for building now as well as 10 more years of design experience. Its all just progress, every other consumer product gets better over time (generally) and Lego is no exception.
  • graphitegraphite Member Posts: 3,275
    Feeding the rumor mill again but someone just posted this to the BL forums

    "So, this is just a rumor at this point, I have no way of verifying it, however
    someone very reliable from Denmark emailed me that there is going to be a re-release
    of the UCS Millennium Falcon either at the end of 2014 or early 2015.

    He wasn't sure if it was going to be exactly the same as the previous release
    (I think that's unlikely, but you never know with LEGO) or a new design,
    but it was going to be an UCS set similar to this: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?S=10179-1

    I thought this might be useful info for sellers who have been listing this set
    and also buyers who would like the set but don't have thousands of dollars
    to shell out for the discontinued model. Again, take this with a grain of salt
    as I can't varify the info at this point, but it is something to keep in
    mind. "
    FollowsCloselyaimlesspursuits
  • KingDaveKingDave Member Posts: 973
    ^ So someone heard something from someone that may or may not be true and this is useful how?

    If it is true than great, but it could just be an attempt to encourage a few more UCS Falcons out of storage and onto ebay and therefore bring the price down a bit (not me, I don't own one).
  • monkey_roomonkey_roo Member Posts: 1,411
    I can't say that would be a massive surprise, but I would say 2015 would be more likely. Stills of a production meeting for the new film have hit the net this week clearly showing the falcon in preproduction art work. If indeed the falcon is in the new film, given its status to the entire franchise Disney may well push for a big lego set to celebrate its return to the big screen for the first time in 20+ years, I know I would.
  • KingDaveKingDave Member Posts: 973
    ^ A brand new UCS of the Falcon in the new film would make much more sense than a re-release. They would be able to sell them to people who already have the old one as well as all the potential new customers as well (who just want and UCS Falcon that does not cost £3k).
    FollowsClosely
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Member Posts: 1,842
    UCS Falcon, now that's a set that I wouldn't mind rehashed 5 times! :o)
    FollowsClosely
  • FollowsCloselyFollowsClosely Member Posts: 1,329
    edited February 2014
    Source: http://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=166002

    For what it's worth.
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Member Posts: 1,842
    ^

    *Sh*ts in pants*

    *Faints*

    :oD
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,169
    Redo of the UCS MF so soon? Really can't see that - just someone stirring the resellers pot. It will have only been properly gone 5 years at that point

    Maybe he wants one cheap and is looking to see the current prices tumble as people offload in a firesale. Or he’s looking to buy a shedload of grey levers, radar dished and grey rigging from bricklink, before saying “suckers” and doubling the price of those parts on his own bricklink store. How much would one of these (or a very similar variant) be now, with a similar piece count? A solid £500/$700/E600 I would hazard a guess at. Perhaps more if they manage to make a nice interior without compromising the frame strength. That would smash the current price barriers.

    There was a similar rumour going around about a while back for early 2014 release, before we knew about the Disney buyout of Lucasfilm. A redo of the UCS MF won’t be your typical toy bought for little Timmy after seeing EP7 – not at that pricepoint. I’d like to see a redo of UCS ISD before any other redo (I’d prefer to see some completely new stuff first though, that’s never had the UCS treatment). Saying all that though, if they can do it for #41999, there’s every possibility for TLG to bang out a 20000 unit limited edition run that would see another “excellent adventure” across the UK and maybe beyond. I doubt Disney’s influence will have much interference with the UCS line, it’s a specialist area of the Lego world that kids rarely get in on.

    I’m sure there are people her “in the know” that would hear before that fella if it were true.
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,526
    FoxyA19 said:

    Am I the only person who thinks Star Wars lego is over rated and should really not be made any more?

    I don't believe they are over-rated. People rate them how they see fit.

    Another thing to bear in mind is what would lego replace them with (if anything?). Some people say Lego have stopped doing space themes because they conflict with SW - although they have still managed to have GS and AC recently as one year themes.

    It is a plain fact - SW sells. Remember that many people making purchasing decisions now were kids when SW came out originally (whether 1970's/80's or 2000's). Would they come up with something that is going to fill that "easy sell" gap for the next ten years? The only thing likely to rival it is Star Trek (done by other manufacturers) and all the spin-offs / later series.

    LOTR was a big franchise for the 2000s, yet it seems that the popularity of that has not lead to a consistent well selling line. It also doesn't tread on the toes of SW, meaning the two can co-exist.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    monkeyhanger said:

    Redo of the UCS MF so soon? Really can't see that - just someone stirring the resellers pot. It will have only been properly gone 5 years at that point

    7 years from release & 5 years from availability doesn't seem too short, especially considering that you just can't get them period (without shelling out lots of cash). Most retired sets are attainable, but not so much with #10179. Then there's how much money could be made on the new ones, which would be the main driving force. And, if the MF makes an appaearance in the new film (and of course it will), the timing makes a lot of sense.

    Plus, what better way for Lego to throw a wrench into the hated reseller market than by attacking what has become the epitome of all Lego reselling?
    binaryeye
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,169
    ^ and yet they create reseller situations themselves with the likes of #41999, which could have been so easily managed by only letting you buy one, and even then only via a VIP account, as they have done with the early releases for Sea Cow and Simpsons House.

    Lego are in the business of making money for themselves, and at the time #10179 was not a big seller for them, they stayed on the shelves gathering dust. We are Lego fanatics with some disposable income. Plenty of us here that would pay £500 for one, but your average potential Lego shopper wouldn’t be buying these in droves and probably are unaware of the old one’s existence.

    If they dropped 20,000 #10179s on the market tomorrow as a limited edition, most would get bought by resellers, not by people wanting to get that box open and build it. Put 100,000 out there and don’t limit the availability and you’d probably find magnitudes less demand, with resellers only piling in when they thought that retirement would soon be on its way

    A far better system effort around the £170/$250 with around 2300-2500 parts and a playable interior is more likely to have the kind of mass appeal/sales they would want to tie into EP7 – not too rich for the kiddies to get one for Christmas/Birthday. 5 years is not a long time for a redo of a system set, but so far we’ve only had one UCS redo and that took 13 (?) years.
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,526
    Clearly a better strategy would be to release maybe 5K of them. Let them go out of stock and there would be mass clamoring for them, at which time you release another 5K. The threat of something going EOL when no-one knows the numbers produced is likely to get people to part with their cash. Especially if it is exclusive and unlikely to be discounted anyway.
    jeremy1973pharmjod
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,787
    But Is the demand now for the UCS falcon just hindsight? People say they would pay 500 bucks for it but would they? I mean like @monkeyhanger said, most of the time it gathered dust and I believe it was also put on sale to get rid of them out of LEGO's stock. Only now seeing it selling for what it does now are most people saying 'gee I wish I had one'...
    People that will buy now will likely be mostly resellers trying to make a score, which likely will not happen if it is a regular release and runs for 4 years.
    Maybe the the UCS falcon is really what is taking the DS's place on in the pricing slot.
    If so, will there be fans? Sure but how many people really are buying a DS compared to all LEGO purchases?
    But I can see LEGO removing the DS for a while and just leaving a UCS falcon available for anyone that wants one for 4 years, then switch back to an improved DS.
    You will know when the set is official because you will a load of #10179 on eBay being sold.
    Legoboy
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    edited February 2014
    I think it gathered dust because a) nobody was ready to drop such a load of money on a set - it had never been done before and b) people didn't realize what it really was, which is arguably the most impressive single ship/set Lego ever created. Who wouldn't desire the biggest and best thing that your favorite hobby offers?

    Flash forward to today, and now it's a proven fact that many people are willing to pay $400 for a set (DS, SSD). So, there certainly is a market, even for a set with as little playability as #10179 had, which is not a whole lot more or less than the SSD offers.

    I know I would buy a re-released one in a heartbeat at $500 because of the set that it is, not because it would have resale potential.
  • dougtsdougts Member Posts: 4,110
    I think in hindsight, the set was released about 2-3 years too early. I think the AFOL/Collector market is much bigger now, and I think had the set come out in 2009 or 2010 it would have done much better.
    FollowsCloselypharmjod
  • streekerstreeker Member Posts: 299
    KingDave said:

    ^ So someone heard something from someone that may or may not be true and this is useful how?

    @Akunthita is the original poster on the Bricklink thread. She's got her own blog, she posts here regularly. She's very credible. Now, she stresses that a re-release is still a rumour, but it's a very good first rumbling.
  • akunthitaakunthita Member Posts: 1,038
    @streeker, thanks for your kind words. As I have mentioned in my post on BrickLink, the info is from a reliable source from Denmark, since then I have been contacted by another person, confirming the info of the original source.

    As I said; take this with a grain of salt. We have heard other rumors before from very reliable sources that didn't turn out to be correct; like all the set names and numbers of The Simpsons sets that never materialized. Well, at least not so far...

    However if you are a seller or a buyer this is something to keep in mind and look out for. I'm not saying start selling all your UCS Falcons, just maybe keep an eye out for any further info that may surface. The source said end of 2014/beginning of 2015, so I would say that by the summer we should know something.

    The Sandcrawler is the next large set that is supposed to be released (as far as I know), so if the MF turns out to be true, I think 2015 sounds more reasonable for another large set.

    I don't think resellers are at a big risk right now. Most of the public learns about new sets when they get released, or maybe just before they get released. So resellers have plenty of time to adjust their strategies if this information turns out to be true.

    One other interesting piece of info the original source said that I forgot to mention on BrickLink is that according to him the re-release is a direct response from LEGO seeing the prices the Falcon is selling for on the secondary market. They think it is crazy. If this is indeed true, it could put the entire strategy of holding large sets for years to resell them later at risk. Actually it is already happening with SW; all the sets and minifigs that have been re-released made the prices of the original sets plummet as most people would want the newer versions. Only hard-core collectors (which is a much smaller number) would be willing to shell out big bucks for an old set with a mostly inferior design.

    Again, this info is something to keep your eyes on. That's all. Oh, and I'm not in the market to buy a Falcon, nor am I selling one...(c;
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    edited February 2014
    akunthita said:

    If this is indeed true, it could put the entire strategy of holding large sets for years to resell them later at risk. Actually it is already happening with SW; all the sets and minifigs that have been re-released made the prices of the original sets plummet as most people would want the newer versions. Only hard-core collectors (which is a much smaller number) would be willing to shell out big bucks for an old set with a mostly inferior design.

    I disagree with this if only because the potential "plummet" you mention, would be the sound of a bubble bursting, not a market collapsing. The release of a new UCS MF would affect the original in that you'd see its fluffed value plummet, but it would reach a realistic plateau that would still be well above rrp. For example, I would never bet that the original would ever dip below $1000 no matter what Lego re-released. Plus, anyone holding any given set for 10 years for investment purposes is assuming a lot more risk than they may think.

    And btw, some of those old sets with inferior designs actually have better (stronger, denser) elements than are available today. Sometimes they really don't make 'em like they used to.
  • RJAS1972RJAS1972 Member Posts: 24
    #10240 may have been a test from TLG to feel how the market would respond to a UCS re-release with an iconic model. I don't know if the set was a sales success or not but believing this rumour it seems that the market is ready for this.
    If true, the big question now is whether TLG will make it has cheap as possible by cutting on development costs and releasing a pure copy of the original or will they present us with a new version? Either way, I’ll be here to give them my money!
  • LegoboyLegoboy Member Posts: 8,827
    ^ Sales of the #10240 have been dire.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Member Posts: 3,639
    ^And I hope that continues to show what happens when they get greedy with the UCS line. I'm still refusing to add that inferior copycat to my collection.
    Pitfall69samiam391
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    Legoboy said:

    ^ Sales of the #10240 have been dire.

    It did come out at the time of the Danish Discountsition, so that certainly didn't help.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    edited February 2014
    I picked up a #75034 today, the only real battlepack that excites me. Besides the (really) nice figures in that one, those new stud blasters are pretty darn cool.
    Johnnyfinlandia
  • CaptAPJTCaptAPJT Member Posts: 223
    Legoboy said:

    ^ Sales of the #10240 have been dire.

    I'm always interested to see this in comparison to other UCS sets however. As far as I can tell based on what I've read on brickset is that sales of most of the last few years UCS sets have been "poor." I'd like to see the sales of #10240 compared with the ISD, IS, R2-D2, B-Wing and Obi-Wan's Jedi Starfighter in order to really see if there's a gulf between the sets in terms of sales.
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,624
    I think the biggest weakness with the #10240 is that there is an excellent $60 (and often cheaper) X-Wing in System on the shelf at the same time. Would I like to have the big one? Sure. But I was able to get little brother for ~$40 on sale. No contest with my budget.
  • LobotLobot Member Posts: 1,029
    I'd love to see a re-release of #10179, or an updated version; the current cost of it has become ridiculous and for me it's killing the enjoyment of collecting. It would be a clever move for Lego and Disney to have a new version for Episode VII, as it's so well recognised.

    Re: sales of #10240, I'd be interested to see the sales figures for it and other UCS sets. However, I'd guess that it has more to do with the large volume of current, and discontined, SW sets now available. It's become almost impossible to own them all, and it's getting to a point where sets are competing against themselves (if that makes any sense!).
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