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^ @minifigman11 you're quite right, but they have no reason to lie!
Only Hobbit set I want is Radhagast with his bunny sled but I doubt I'll be so lucky :(
The lotr waves fit in so nicely with the hobbit waves, got to assume (hope) we would be getting 3 waves of hobbit sets.
I know what you mean... he seemed very well-informed (and placed to be well-informed) and genuinely disappointed that LotR will be coming to an end.
I guess we will all just have to wait and see!
The biggest disappointment about LOTR, would not be that it is ending this year, but that LEGO didn't branch out into new historic themes during its tenure. No Greek, Feudal Japan, Viking, etc, which is a shame.
But TLG think differently: "Hey, you love Lotr? Well, here's a half-assed bunch of sets that won't complete the story or recreate any iconic sequence by a long chalk, and will leave you wondering WTF when we ditch support for the license."
"Wow, Lego, that sound like a great move. Yeah do that!"
Given that they clearly don't care what they put out, you'd think they would make Wave 1 of any license the strongest, most iconic sequences possible. Wave 2 should complete the story 'just in case', and include support sets wherever possible (battlepacks hint hint). Then it wouldn't matter so much if it died. But to leave without featuring iconic characters and sequences? What do they expect? Its likely fans are still waiting for them. Star wars wouldn't even last two waves with this approach. *grumblegrumblestupidlegogrumblewantgondorsoldiersgrumble*
In my opinion, they completely failed to depict any sequence that marks the license as unique (and worth paying for) - No Balrog, Nazgul (fell beasts), Sauron, Siege of Gondor (White City/White Tree), Death of Boromir/Lurtz hunters, Destruction of the Ring/Mount doom, Southron Mumak (elephant riders), etc
Without those, they might as well have done generic fantasy castle for less cost.
As i've said before, and apologies if you're sick of hearing it, this Trilogy would live or die on the strength of its BATTLEPACKS. Thoes support figs that make a scene epic.
If there had been boxes of Orcs (as seen in the movie, not the same-armed/armoured excuses we got), UrukHai, Moria Goblins (with their own definitive equipment), Rohan Men, Elfs, Gondor soldiers etc, these would have flown off the shelves in truck loads.
Furthermore some sets should have been targeted toward older collectors, who would appreciate an expansive and beautifully complex Rivendell with bridges, waterfalls, halls, stairwells, meeting rooms etc. What do they get instead? A bloody archway and a tree.
But at least we might get a penguin. So, an army of penguins it is.. was that in the directors cut? :o)
bottom line, it was a bad fit from the beginning, and LEGO tried to shoe horn it into their standard theme setup instead of thinking outside the box.
@vitreolum One set better than nothing? If that was the deal, I would agree. A solid stand-alone piece that captures a sequence of the trilogy perfectly, and we know it's a one-off in advance. That's infinitely better than the big tease followed by massive disappointment, unwillingness to re-appraise and come back stronger, when we all KNOW where they've gone wrong. The unfulfilled potential is crushingly sad
But they chose to go with the middle finger option: an ill-conceived strategy and defeatist analysis, to ultimately end with an unfinished narrative and thoroughly cheesed off fans.
TLG: "Get stoked everyone, TLG has bought the LotR license"
Fans: Woooooh. Yeah, bring it on!
TLG: "Behold! We're completely ignoring iconic scenes in both waves and promptly giving up!
See as we use generic weapons and one generic orc across every set as a token bad guy.
Marvel at the release of NO battlepacks for those epic battles.
Don't battle the Balrog as you don't cross the bridge of Khazad-Dum!
Don't visit the elves, or row downstream to the falls of Rauros, hotly tracked by vile UrukHai.
Don't travel to Edoras to release Theoden from his evil enchantment.
Don't ride into battle with the Rohirrim, to save Minas Tirith from the clutches of the terrible winged Nazgul.
Don't see an oliphaunt!
Don't draw out hordes of armoured trolls from a Half-built black gate.
Don't destroy the ring at mount doom!
Fans of Lego and LotR... just Don't!
(Hey, chaps, why aren't our lotr sets flying off the shelves...)"
Fans: err... sorry, I thought you were doing Lotr? Can't we try that again, but this time with movie-accurate armament, battlepacks, and one or two adult-oriented builds for the epic scenes?
I can certainly buy into a one-off, if i know in advance not to expect anything else -cos' that's the deal. But if they're going to 'do' Lord of the Rings as a theme, I'd feel cheated if the finale and/or iconic scenes weren't ever rendered. What's the point in saving those things back, if they're just going to bail out early.
Whoever led this range was a complete idiot in my opinion.
Only, the thing is, Lego's REAL audience for this (ie, @legomatt 's "Fans" in his bit of dialogue) was always going to be AFOLs and late teens, only (as always) this demographic was more or less ignored (apart from UCS Isengard) as Lego bloody-mindedly focused on making kid's sets.
Bridge of Khazad Doom: Brick-built Balrog with plasticy wings, and a light brick in his torso to make him 'burn', including a minifig-scale balrog for a laugh and some Moria archers (with proper moria helmets) - Gandalf would have to be included to make a 'play scene' of it. Collapsible bridge.
Emin-Muil, Lothlorien, Falls of Rauros: Galadriel (and optionally Celeborn/Elfs), Armed & armoured Lurtz (topknot & bow, double-sided head to be regular uruk), Uruk Hunters, Dead boromir
Witchking & brick-built Winged Nazgul vs Eowyn & Merry of Rohan (another chance to get a rohan torso in).
Osgiliath Raid: Gondor Knights fighting Gothmog & orcs in Ruins.
Mumak Ambush: Southrons on Elephant vs Gondorian Rangers
Siege of Minas Tirith - Armoured trolls and Easterlings attack city walls.
So by not producing epic sets (other than Orthanc) it was always going to be impossible to capture what makes LotR great.
I was amazed the hobbit house wasn't part of the LotR grouping instead of the hobbit one to be honest. It goes perfectly with Gandelf arrives from the first movie.
After all, if they are not going to do LOTR properly, why bother buying into wave 2 of the Hobbit as they could do the same for the Hobbit in future and not complete it.
It's amazing to think were it not for the hobbit movie, there might not have been a Bag End. So I bought it for the reason @Xefan mentions... (no Shire otherwise).
@Xefan I think the ultimate shame is that just with army builder battlepacks, we could have made most scenes epic ourselves, and the whole theme would have had a shot in the arm to make as big as we please. TLG just needs to give us the figs, and we're away. Plus kids LOVE battlepacks. I mean, who doesn't want a box of knights to battle a box of orcs? Adults love the license accuracy, kids love the box o' figs, non-lego adults buying for kids love the perceived 'bang for buck' of a box of figs.
Another solution (instead of dropping the theme) could be release downloadable instructions (if they daren't risk making the sets), or even let TLG official designers post their own range of LotR designs to Cussoo, so that fans can 'decide' what gets released next, instead of gambling on lack lustre sets that don't/won't shift.
(sorry for hogging the thread everyone). I'll take my leave now, and think up ways of making Gondor Knights...
That said... We do really need an oliphaunt, Faramir and Éowyn and the WitchKing and a fell beast. And a Lórien tree (w/ Galadriel) instead of the Hobbit-WargAttack-tree would have been... Prefered!
@icey117 Nobody whining as such, just pointing out the glaring omissions that to my mind have hamstrung the theme from the outset, (which ought to be filled before the theme sets sail for distant lands). Had some of these omissions featured earlier in wave one or two (instead of Pirate Ship, Black gate, Orc Forge, which are arguably less important), we might have seen much stronger sales from the very outset to encourage TLG to support the theme further.
I totally appreciate what we have, but it's also one massively missed opportunity if they abandon it here, and leave us all thinking what might have been, had TLG paid some attention to what fans wanted. Perhaps by raising these issues, there's a faint hope they spot these mistakes and recover the theme. There's always hope, mr frodo!
The LotR sets went nowhere in my neck of the woods other than the clearance racks and The Hobbit theme isn't doing any better.
I think the new wave is much better, I agree the pirate ship isn't exactly a massive part of the film but it's a genuinely nice set, as is Orthanc and Council of Elrond, Wizard Battle and such.
I think if they've made a decision to do no more because the first round didn't do well then that's a shame because I think the first round didn't do well bluntly because it wasn't that great, especially relative to the price.
Compare LotR wave two with the Hobbit sets (including the new ones from the one I've seen) and I think wave one was just not that great. I liked the cave troll and such but the buildings themselves seemed a bit dull. That's just my opinion though, maybe others absolutely fell in love with them, I just thought weathertop and helms deep especially were particularly boring sets.
But I guess one can't get enough elves, so... :-)
Perhap this rumor (of no more LOTR sets) could be true because The Hobbit third movie (There and back again) was initially slated for a July 2014 release (later pused to December 2014) and TLG didn't want to have a wave of LOTR sets coming out just a month or so before the final movie was to be shown and have such a short life cycle. It seemed like Harry Potter sets collected dust for a while after the final movie.
#9469 Gandalf Arrives - completely charming
#9470 Shelob Attacks - essential minifigs and a menacing spider
#9471 Uruk-Hai Army - great army builder for Rohan horsemen and Uruk-Hai and add-on wall for the Helm's Deep.
#9472 Attack On Weathertop - I thought this was a very cleaver smallish build, including both the campfire and the attack scene with stairs connecting. It also opens to reveal an interior area. The building technique was interesting. Ringwraiths!
#9473 The Mines of Moria - This one was a little choppy and had *stickers*, but the brick built doors were very nice.
#9474 The Battle Of Helm's Deep - Pleasing but a bit short. Solution buy two and build up!
#79005 Wizard Battle - Really a nice set for the price. An alternate hair Gandalf, an excellent Saruman. Special evil eye globe. The action part was even meaningful.
#79006 Council of Elrond - Beautiful set with new pointed arches and red leaves. Small but elegant representation of Rivendell. I bought a bunch to make a larger Rivendell.
#79007 Battle at the Black Gate - Buy two and you have a very reasonable imposing entrance to Mordor. Gandalf the White and Gondor King Aragorn and the Mouth of Sauron and toss in an eagle.
#79008 - Pirate Ship Ambush - this one is a puzzle. Why not Minas Tirith? Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn again..... Although I do appreciate getting the "of the Dead" guys. It does feel like TLG said, what set can we make in this line to use our existing ship hull molds.
#10237 Tower of Orthanc - Really, can anyone complain about this one?
The Hobbit sets were not as satisfying - and part of the reason was following the movie version aka "Peter Jackson's Hobbit Bloated Blockbuster Trilogy."
#79000 Riddles for the Ring - yawn.
#79001 Escape from Mirkwood Spiders. The black trees are underwhelming, but the spiders are scary. Mr. Klatu did not like them. Made up female Elf - fanservice anyone? Legolas was in the Hobbit? Fanservice anyone?
#79002 Attack of the Wargs. Wargs are good. Stupid Azog. Tree was too action oriented.
#79003 An Unexpected Gathering. Absolutely stunning. A great cast of dwarves.
#79004 Barrel Escape. Nice little build. Have to have the drunk elf.
#79010 The Goblin King Battle. Hot mess. Peter Jackson made up action scene lead to this abomination.
So overall the LoTR are pretty good and the Hobbit not great, except for Bag End. The prices were not bad based on the "10 cent standard." I was happy when the sets came out that they mostly did not follow the Star Wars inflated price model.
I had hoped that Lego's license with LoTR and Hobbit would churn sets out endlessly like SW, but apparently there just isn't enough interest in them to be profitable for TLG. The LoTR movies are old and too scary for younger kids (unlike SW and HP) I don't think that choosing other scenes would have made any difference in sales. But if there are no more, two scenes that will leave the biggest holes in our collections.
Balrog & Gandalf
Éowyn & The Witch King
Agree with everyone that there should be Battle Packs, Battle Packs, Battle Packs. Of course I already have so many Gimli's that I don't need any more dwarves for the Battle of the Five Armies.
*crosses fingers and hopes for many many more waves of LOTR sets.
Yes with everyone hoping the "little bird" is wrong--please, please, please more LoTR sets.
*Clicking my red heels together*
*clapping my hands to believe*