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As for the ethics, your feelings and opinions are not wrong, they are right for you, just like mine are right for me. I can respect that you feel differently, makes the world an interesting place to live... :)
All the examples you use are clear examples of trades not being "fair" from a monetary perspective. You say that if you don't need a $500 couch but a $200 tent, then you'd trade...ok, that makes sense only if a) you don't care about a "fair" trade, b) you don't have the time or patience to wait until you can sell the couch for $500, and c) you have no other alternative to acquire a tent.
I'd say a vast majority of traders here a) do care about making a "fair" trade (this isn't eBay), b) most people don't "need" to trade as a matter of urgency, and c) there are a ton of alternatives: wait for a better deal, buy at retail, ebay, etc..
As far as "Barter Kings", I'm much more fond of "Shipping Wars"...but just I'm guessing those guys wouldn't make a "fair" deal if they thought they couldn't continue to trade up based on the monetary value that the market places on a particular item.
Also, just a parting thought: Why don't you ask some Native Americans about the barter deal they made to trade the island of Manhatten for some wampum? A "fair" deal?
The recent events over the past 6 months, banning of [email protected] customers, limits on orders, Minecraft, etc... would indicate to me that resellers have become large enough as a group to show up on TLG's radar screen.
Maybe not enough to actually do something effective about it, but that day may be coming.
My plan was to watch the price and see what happened. If it took awhile to rise, I'd open one and build it. In the event, it doubled in 10 days, so I won't.
But I'd pay $75 for an upgrade kit for #9398 in a heart beat and build one of those. (which would be 2 sales of #9398 since I've already built the primary design).
We paid next to nothing for the Louisiana Purchase and Alaska, both were downright steals.
How about Florida? Spain more or less just gave that to us.
But my last point on the last tl;dr post is most telling to me about how Lego really thinks about re-sellers on a corp. level.
BTW, I am part Native American. I was born in NY, and maybe because you spelled Manhattan wrong, maybe the Native Americans were trading for Manhatten not Manhattan ;)
something might well happen, but i suspect you wont like it. these issues are mainly related to special models, cuusoo, limited editions etc. i suspect a more joined up approach for [email protected] and retail stores, and a much better understanding of demand which should reduce the money to be made and in turn reduce the desire of resellers to buy up stock in the bulk quantities that have caused lego the problems recently.
I'll stop now. :-)
Re: Manhatten, what's the dif? Everyone know'd (yeah, know'd) it's really just referred to as "NYC". I think you're just mad b/c pointing out a Baltimore fan can't spell is just in defense (or defence for those across the pond) of the fact that the Jets suck and the Giants have the lesser half of the Manning bros. (although he DOES have more SB rings)
Short answer: No
I realize this may come a bit late in the discussion, but if you all will bear with me, I'd like to take one more look at Hungrystan.
Lets say that Hungrystan isn't necessarily on the verge of starvation. Instead, it's a semi thriving populous. There is CapnRex101, margot, Pitfall69, Yellowcastle, rancorbait, crowkiller, pvancil, legofantexas, and JamesJT. They can all buy bread, potato soup, and other standard food items, but nothing special. One day, rancorbait is in his kitchen and magically whips up a fantastic dish of never-before-made Hungarian Goulash. He's ecstatic, and wants to share it with everyone. Resources are not very plentiful, he has limited ingredients, so he lets everyone in his country take a tiny sample of it. Everyone loves it, but no one has the resources to mass produce it for everyone.
Along comes Rocoa Food INC., who decides that the people of Hungrystan should be allowed to enjoy their new favorite dish. It was popular sampled and voted on by everyone in Hungrystan. Rocoa Food INC. decides to make a simple run of 20,000 dishes of Hungarian Goulash, as a special treat for everyone. Everyone is quite fond of Rocoa Food INC., and for months in advance this special treat is highly anticipated. The run of 20,000, which will garner RFINC a small profit, is mostly made for the fans of the Hungarian Goulash and RFINC. It shows that the people of Hungrystan do matter to the corporation, and that their unique cooking ideas can become reality.
To make sure everyone gets their fair share, the Hungarian Goulash is limited to a quantity of two.
It's the big day. Rocoa Food INC. starts to take orders of the limited edition Hungarian Goulash. A few people buy only one Hungarian Goulish, seeking to keep this special treat special. Others buy two, one to enjoy in the moment, and the other to stash away to either eat later, or sell off to someone else to enjoy the limited edition Goulash. Others though see this as a golden opportunity to make a large profit, and buy up more than the allotted limit.
The limited edition run of 20,000 Hungarian Goulash quickly runs out. Some people end up with 1, others 2, others 10, and most unfortunately, some with none.
I think it's important to remember that this was a fan creation, that TLG was kind enough to even make into a set in the first place. How many of us build a silly project on LDD, yet still dream the "what if this was in a LEGO store"? I know I do. It'd be one of the greatest moments of my life. This is a special set, made by one of our own, and I think LEGO tried to keep this sense of special in the number they created. Just like RFINC tried to keep its run of Hungarian Goulash limited.
Yes, one can argue LEGO simply did all of this to reap profit fast. But then why didn't they do a run of 30 or 40 or even 50 thousand? I bet the set would have sold out almost just as fast. Perhaps it's my biased love of the company, but I tend to think TLG created the set with the mindset of the former paragraph over the latter to sentences.
For those that purchased 2+ of the Hungarian Goulash, they made a really smart business decision. They'll reap big profits. I disagree completely with going over the allotted limit, I don't like it one bit. They might lose some respect from it, and may not be looked on as kindly as those who did order their allotted Hungarian Goulash. However, I don't hate re-sellers for it.
I have just one question...did the people who stashed away one Goulash to be either eaten or sold at a later time bother to refrigerate it? :-)
Very well and "fair"ly put
Shorter answer. Yep
BTW the only NY team I like are the Yankees.
Was he returning the pants to a store in upper Manhattan or lower Manhatten? I wonder if "John" Voight would agree?
If that makes me a monster so be it.
I felt that you were arguing for the sake of arguing, you were being difficult and directing the attack at me personally for no reason other than to create problems.
Try cosmetics and perfume sometime if you want to see some crazy markups. The only business in the world that has better margins are drug dealers. :)
Electronics are the other way, those often have no margin at all, game consoles, TVs, etc. are mostly sold at cost.
My understanding is that it takes 3 clicks of "abuse" or "spam" to get a post hidden and reviewed by the admins, so he shouldn't sweat it.
The last 3 are from the same person who was mad that I called him out for being a tax cheat. :) He was opening talking about avoiding having PayPal report him to the IRS for his income, what did he expect? :)