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The Community Perspective on Reselling

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  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    pillpod said:

    At this point I'm just waiting for the ever reliable:

    "Can't we all just get along and love lego together. Let's go build something because that's why we're here in the first place. And I have a new joke guys: when will FB and DS retire? Maybe soon! :))"

    I'll put the over under at 6 hours.

    Maybe if it was in another thread, but we are all discussing the topic...even if some of us are being alittle "dickish". Hey, that's 3 times for me today ;)

  • doriansdaddoriansdad CTCMember Posts: 1,337
    I agree there was no reason to miss this set if you were really interested in buying it. I only had a few weeks advance notice and had no problem being near a computer the 10 days it was on sale (and it was available today in europe for the dedicated few who bothered to check). Plenty of builders, collectors and resellers are complaining they missed out....they have nobody to blame but themselves.
    nkx1
  • pillpodpillpod Member Posts: 273
    Do I hear 4?
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    Pitfall69 said:

    Fair enough. Although, would you like him more if he put on a blue parka? ;)

    Total non-sequitur... but to this day, I don't understand where the notion of the blue parka came from. It's clearly brown in the film.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    So if @LFT voluntarily offers a Crawler or two to a member without, would all be forgiven? Even the guilty should be allowed a means to which redeem themselves.
    Legoboy
  • pvancil27pvancil27 Member Posts: 588
    Pitfall69 said:

    @pvancil27

    I am not very good at communicating with police officers. One time the officer asked me "Did you know you were going 80 in a 55mph zone?" I said "Is that all?"

    Another time I got pulled over for speeding and was asked why. I told him I hate this crappy area and wanted to get through it as fast as possible. He said "I live in this crappy area" oops ;)

    The biggest lie on earth is making a cop laugh will get you out of a ticket.

  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    Pitfall69 said:

    pillpod said:

    At this point I'm just waiting for the ever reliable:

    "Can't we all just get along and love lego together. Let's go build something because that's why we're here in the first place. And I have a new joke guys: when will FB and DS retire? Maybe soon! :))"

    I'll put the over under at 6 hours.

    Maybe if it was in another thread, but we are all discussing the topic...even if some of us are being alittle "dickish". Hey, that's 3 times for me today ;)

    I dont recommend combining being pulled over by the police with a fourth use of your new word of the day!
    Pitfall69
  • LostInTranslationLostInTranslation UKMember Posts: 5,594
    Pitfall69 said:

    @pvancil27

    I am not very good at communicating with police officers. One time the officer asked me "Did you know you were going 80 in a 55mph zone?" I said "Is that all?"

    I have nothing to say on the reselling issue as I really can't be arsed to get worked up and rehash the same old arguments that have been doing the rounds on this forum for at least 18 months.

    However, since you're such a fan of the word @pitfall69, I have to say it's more than a little dickish to think it's funny and/or clever to break the speed limit by that amount.
    Yellowcastlejasor
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,924
    Legoboy said:

    @tamamahm - I think the single largest reason @LFT is getting bashed is not because he bought 6, nor because he wants to sell all 6 and not keep one for himself. It's not even because he wants prevent another fan from buying one at rrp or even because he wants to take his kids on a beach holiday with the proceeds. It's because it wasn't too long ago we heard about how unjustified and how immoral it was for TLG to ban him from [email protected] sales. He'd stopped reselling. He'd been asked by TLG to refrain from buying multiples through their retail arm for the purpose of reselling. He said he had and it was wrong of them to ban him. I for one agreed that that being the case, it was indeed wrong and unwarranted and felt sorry for him.

    Only much to many people's amazement here, he later openly admits to the same forum members he sought sympathy from, he'd only gone and done it again by circumventing the rules imposed on him. The same rules that are imposed on everybody else. Things simply didn't add up. What's more, he then went on to explain that low supply wasn't due to the likes of resellers circumventing the max of 2 per household rule but rather because TLG didn't provide enough in the first place. Simply staggering. He's accountable for his own actions, not TLG. What's more, had he not bragged about his win, the forum wouldn't be any the wiser and he wouldn't be getting bashed.

    That's why IMO his name is the one getting bashed.

    I think that is true. No doubt a lot of people felt even just a little bit of sympathy when he was banned when he was following the rules. But now we know what that really means, and probably less sympathy.
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Northern VirginiaAdministrator, Moderator Posts: 5,238
    edited August 2013
    I considered changing the title but in retrospect, it's pretty darn self explanatory and developed organically many moons ago.

    Additionally and to some chagrin, I resuscitated this discussion with hopes we could revisit it with civility. I would be disappointed if that's not the case but we'll soon see.

    The case of 41999 and the experiences we've had with Mr. Gold and recent SDCC exclusives highlight the relevance of this discussion. This is not a LegoTangentTexas reckoning.

    I can only speak for myself but the comments I was seeing on 41999 from LEGO fans frustrated me. I don't care about Slick Deals, etc. But for a while, every other comment here seemed to be about "getting your share" of this "cash cow." I realize much of this conversation has been moved a couple of different times. But it was just ugly, no matter which thread housed it.

    And just because we built you your very own pool, doesn't mean we're fine with you crapping all in it. :o)
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  • doriansdaddoriansdad CTCMember Posts: 1,337
    edited August 2013

    And just because we built you your very own pool, doesn't mean we're fine with you crapping all in it. :o)

    Seems like the only ones crapping in it were you and the other admins as us resellers were doing fine and not putting down builders who did not leave enough sets for us resellers....it was you coming in putting down various resellers for not leaving enough sets for the builders. Maybe you need to appoint a fan of reselling to mod the buying and selling threads to keep it fair and balanced.
  • greenwithenvygreenwithenvy Banned Posts: 32
    edited August 2013

    So, this thread is titled "Why so much anger towards resellers?"
    Quick story:
    I placed an order online at [email protected] for 41999.
    I managed to pick one up from the Stratford store.
    I then contacted Lego Customer Services to ask for my online order to be cancelled as this is a Limited Edition and I felt it was right for it to go to another collector.
    Now its becoming pretty clear that a lot of these are being bought to make a quick buck...
    I don't think I need to explain any further why there is anger towards resellers.
    Feels like my selfless act is probably just filling the pockets of a reseller, or paying to take their kids to the beach..

    Why do you care who bought the item your 'selfless' act left behind? You got yours. TLG is in business to make money, not to make you feel good about being what you perceive as a good Samaritan. Regardless if a child with a terminal illness or a reseller obtained the item you cancelled, why do you care? Do you have a reason outside of emotion and closer to logic?
  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,834
    edited August 2013
    I think his point was he felt he ought to have held onto it and offered it out to a fan at cost rather than risk putting it back in the hands of a reseller. There are many in these boards that look out for one another. @Prince one of those.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444

    Pitfall69 said:

    @pvancil27

    I am not very good at communicating with police officers. One time the officer asked me "Did you know you were going 80 in a 55mph zone?" I said "Is that all?"

    I have nothing to say on the reselling issue as I really can't be arsed to get worked up and rehash the same old arguments that have been doing the rounds on this forum for at least 18 months.

    However, since you're such a fan of the word @pitfall69, I have to say it's more than a little dickish to think it's funny and/or clever to break the speed limit by that amount.
    Please, this was a long time ago and I was young.

    pillpod
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Legoboy said:

    It's because it wasn't too long ago we heard about how unjustified and how immoral it was for TLG to ban him from [email protected] sales.

    In fairness, that wasn't me... I pointed it out, but never claimed it was immoral, I said it was a poor business decision. That is a FAR cry from immoral, TLG is totally within their rights to do it, morals doesn't come into play.
    Legoboy said:

    He'd stopped reselling. He'd been asked by TLG to refrain from buying multiples through their retail arm for the purpose of reselling. He said he had and it was wrong of them to ban him.

    I did, this is the first time I've bought anything at [email protected] since January for resale. Yea, shame on me, throw me under the bus, I'm Gru! :)

    Now where are my minions! :)

    What can I say, this was the exception to the rule, I was actually expecting the opposite response, for people to say, "wow, only 6, that's it?". I was rather shocked by the response quite frankly.
  • charlatan13charlatan13 Member Posts: 118
    edited August 2013
    I will say this - #41999 definitely changed the vibe on this site which is pretty positive overall. I guess the best hope is for people to come to terms with the aspect of reselling since it is here to stay and will only increase if TLG continues its success.
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226

    So, this thread is titled "Why so much anger towards resellers?"
    Quick story:
    I placed an order online at [email protected] for 41999.
    I managed to pick one up from the Stratford store.
    I then contacted Lego Customer Services to ask for my online order to be cancelled as this is a Limited Edition and I felt it was right for it to go to another collector.
    Now its becoming pretty clear that a lot of these are being bought to make a quick buck...
    I don't think I need to explain any further why there is anger towards resellers.
    Feels like my selfless act is probably just filling the pockets of a reseller, or paying to take their kids to the beach..

    Why do you care who bought the item your 'selfless' act left behind? You got yours. TLG is in business to make money, not to make you feel good about being what you perceive as a good Samaritan. Regardless if a child with a terminal illness or a reseller obtained the item you cancelled, why do you care? Do you have a reason outside of emotion and closer to logic?
    Not that he doesn't have more, but why should princedraven need reasons greater than emotion? Why should he not feel responsibility to more people than just himself?
  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,834
    edited August 2013
    @LFT, I just noticed that and thought @WTF. Brilliant.
  • prof1515prof1515 EarthMember Posts: 1,561
    The fault with the Lego market for exclusives lies entirely with Lego. They're the ones who have chosen to engage in this divisive and exclusionary marketing technique. I've said this before but for all its efforts at public outreach and good customer relations regarding a children's toy, Lego seems more than willing to take a dump on the faces of so many, including children, for the sake of a little publicity. Resellers are only engaging in an activity that Lego is itself encouraging through the use of this marketing technique.

    Personally, I think #41999 is ugly and don't understand the furor over wanting it. Same goes for most of the SDCC and other limited production exclusives which is why I can say I have exactly none of them.
    greenwithenvy
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    My attempt to lighten the mood has failed miserably. "Blue Parka" and "fun with police officers" resulted in me being called a d**k.

    Fantastic.
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  • pvancil27pvancil27 Member Posts: 588
    edited August 2013
    Because selfish
    prof1515 said:

    The fault with the Lego market for exclusives lies entirely with Lego. They're the ones who have chosen to engage in this divisive and exclusionary marketing technique. I've said this before but for all its efforts at public outreach and good customer relations regarding a children's toy, Lego seems more than willing to take a dump on the faces of so many, including children, for the sake of a little publicity. Resellers are only engaging in an activity that Lego is itself encouraging through the use of this marketing technique.

    Personally, I think #41999 is ugly and don't understand the furor over wanting it. Same goes for most of the SDCC and other limited production exclusives which is why I can say I have exactly none of them.

    Entirely? Entirely? So no blame at all goes to re-sellers? Or even people who pay 5 times what something was originally sold for? No accountability outside TLG? If the Re-sellers were not there, the limited aspect wouldnt mean as much. If people would pay 5 times original value for something, there would be no re-sellers. To say it is entirely TLG's fault is just short sighted.
  • greenwithenvygreenwithenvy Banned Posts: 32
    edited August 2013
    ^^^ Very well said. TLG encourages collecting. TLG encourages reselling knowing the sets are desirable and in turn making a limited run on certain sets such as 41999.

    I've been disappointed many times that I wasn't able to buy what I wanted. That applies to many things in life OUTSIDE of Lego. Get over it. Seriously. So much political correctness and crying in this conversation.

    Disappointed you didn't get a #41999? Blame the manufacturer, not the customers. Ugh.
    nkx1
  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,834
    edited August 2013
    @Pitfall69 - Lol, I found them amusing but didn't want to be seen as an arse kisser!
    Pitfall69Furrysaurus
  • CrowkillersCrowkillers Member Posts: 757


    Feels like my selfless act is probably just filling the pockets of a reseller, or paying to take their kids to the beach..

    Probably...

    I talked to yet another friend today from Virginia who missed out on the set and his only gripe was about the set's current value...


  • pvancil27pvancil27 Member Posts: 588
    edited August 2013
    Pitfall69 said:

    My attempt to lighten the mood has failed miserably. "Blue Parka" and "fun with police officers" resulted in me being called a d**k.

    Fantastic.

    That's actually another thing that annoys some people, myself included to a small degree. When someone doesnt want to engage the debate or feels they can't make a valid argument, they either try and be funny to change the discussion, or use the "We will agree to disagree" cop out or the "Not this argument again" complaint.
    greenwithenvy
  • prof1515prof1515 EarthMember Posts: 1,561
    edited August 2013
    Lego creates the conditions that they know will result in limited distribution, high resale costs and hoarding. If they really don't want any of this, they have the power to stop it by undermining the resale market completely.

    You could lay some blame on buyers who are willing to pay anything to get their hands on particular sets. However, I would say no fault goes with resellers. They're just meeting that demand because Lego won't. But that's why I say Lego is entirely responsible. They're not meeting that demand and for all their research, they have to be aware what they're doing. Hence, they're at fault.
    greenwithenvy
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    Legoboy said:

    @Pitfall69 - Lol, I found them amusing but didn't want to be seen as an arse kisser!

    ...or dare I say a cronie ;)

  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,834
    Pitfall69 said:

    Legoboy said:

    @Pitfall69 - Lol, I found them amusing but didn't want to be seen as an arse kisser!

    ...or dare I say a cronie ;)

    You're asking for trouble.
  • CrowkillersCrowkillers Member Posts: 757
    edited August 2013
    Like I said before, all Lego had to do was say the set was a Limited Edition like the 8041 Race Truck and that was it.. When it sold out, it sold out... No way were as many people going to invest 100's if not 1,000's of dollars without knowing the actual stats...

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  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    pvancil27 said:

    Because selfish

    prof1515 said:

    The fault with the Lego market for exclusives lies entirely with Lego. They're the ones who have chosen to engage in this divisive and exclusionary marketing technique. I've said this before but for all its efforts at public outreach and good customer relations regarding a children's toy, Lego seems more than willing to take a dump on the faces of so many, including children, for the sake of a little publicity. Resellers are only engaging in an activity that Lego is itself encouraging through the use of this marketing technique.

    Personally, I think #41999 is ugly and don't understand the furor over wanting it. Same goes for most of the SDCC and other limited production exclusives which is why I can say I have exactly none of them.

    Entirely? Entirely? So no blame at all goes to re-sellers? Or even people who pay 5 times what something was originally sold for? No accountability outside TLG? If the Re-sellers were not there, the limited aspect wouldnt mean as much. If people would pay 5 times original value for something, there would be no re-sellers. To say it is entirely TLG's fault is just short sighted.
    It's more the buyers' fault. Blame the people who are willing to pay 2x 3x RRP for these things. If they didn't exist, or rather boycotted paying such exorbitant prices for these plastic doodads, this thread would die on the vine.
  • pvancil27pvancil27 Member Posts: 588
    prof1515 said:

    Lego creates the conditions that they know will result in limited distribution, high resale costs and hoarding. If they really don't want any of this, they have the power to stop it by undermining the resale market completely.

    You could lay some blame on buyers who are willing to pay anything to get their hands on particular sets. However, I would say no fault goes with resellers. They're just meeting that demand because Lego won't. But that's why I say Lego is entirely responsible. They're not meeting that demand and for all their research, they have to be aware what they're doing. Hence, they're at fault.

    So we assume in terms of limited release its 100% TLG's fault. Is it's Lego's fault that re-sellers price gouged the Minecraft sets (which had a limited first run but more released later) or Lloyd Spinners which were never supposed to have been limited? What about who's to blame when re-sellers (in general, not just Lego) clear out clearance isles? Who's to blame when said people find ways around limits? Is it TLG's fault LFT Used Family members to get around set limits?

    I hate to keep using the speeding thing, but this is like saying you should put all of the blame for people speeding on the state for building the road.

  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,834
    edited August 2013
    prof1515 said:

    However, I would say no fault goes with resellers. They're just meeting that demand because Lego won't. But that's why I say Lego is entirely responsible. They're not meeting that demand and for all their research, they have to be aware what they're doing. Hence, they're at fault.

    Sorry, you've lost me. How are the resellers meeting demand? I figured they'd have to increase numbers to meet demand. How exactly are resellers doing that???

    Unless of course you're referring to the demand in the aftermarket where of course I can see many many people lining up wanting to buy at 500% over rather than rrp. Yeah, I get that!
  • pvancil27pvancil27 Member Posts: 588
    tensor said:

    pvancil27 said:

    Because selfish

    prof1515 said:

    The fault with the Lego market for exclusives lies entirely with Lego. They're the ones who have chosen to engage in this divisive and exclusionary marketing technique. I've said this before but for all its efforts at public outreach and good customer relations regarding a children's toy, Lego seems more than willing to take a dump on the faces of so many, including children, for the sake of a little publicity. Resellers are only engaging in an activity that Lego is itself encouraging through the use of this marketing technique.

    Personally, I think #41999 is ugly and don't understand the furor over wanting it. Same goes for most of the SDCC and other limited production exclusives which is why I can say I have exactly none of them.

    Entirely? Entirely? So no blame at all goes to re-sellers? Or even people who pay 5 times what something was originally sold for? No accountability outside TLG? If the Re-sellers were not there, the limited aspect wouldnt mean as much. If people would pay 5 times original value for something, there would be no re-sellers. To say it is entirely TLG's fault is just short sighted.
    It's more the buyers' fault. Blame the people who are willing to pay 2x 3x RRP for these things. If they didn't exist, or rather boycotted paying such exorbitant prices for these plastic doodads, this thread would die on the vine.
    I actually agree some blame goes on those people. I think some goes to Re-sellers and some goes to Lego. My only point was to put all the blame on Lego (or re-sellers or buyers alone) is simply passing the buck.
    cheshirecat
  • CrowkillersCrowkillers Member Posts: 757
    edited August 2013
    pvancil27 said:

    Who's to blame when said people find ways around limits? Is it TLG's fault LFT Used Family members to get around set limits?

    I most certainly blame Lego for not enforcing a ONE per HOUSEHOLD limit.

    2 PER BUYER for a 20,000 limited run is nonsense...

    Not to mention many Lego stores didn't enforce any limits.. Hell, there were quite a few selling the sets before the street date...

  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Pitfall69 said:

    My attempt to lighten the mood has failed miserably. "Blue Parka" and "fun with police officers" resulted in me being called a d**k.

    Fantastic.

    Yes, I thought that was a bit much. I totally got that you were trying to make light, I didn't think for a minute that you'd actually say any of that to a police officer, that would (in reality) just get one arrested.
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Northern VirginiaAdministrator, Moderator Posts: 5,238
    @Pifalll69 - I wouldn't sweat it. Let's be honest, there was a good chance you were going to be called a d*ck even without the humor. ;o) J/K

    @LFT - just a reminder that avatar updates lock you in for another 12 month contract

    @Dorian - The predictions thread is one of the neatest things about this Forum and I'm confident that the dedicated, volunteer staff here, as LEGO Fans, can handle the moderating duties. Additionally, some of us are resellers, some displayers, some MOCers and some just like looking at the MISB boxes. We may not be Fox News but I like to think we're pretty consistent and equitable here.
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  • prof1515prof1515 EarthMember Posts: 1,561
    Legoboy said:

    Sorry, you've lost me. How are the resellers meeting demand? I figured they'd have to increase numbers to meet demand. How exactly are resellers doing that???

    Unless of course you're referring to the demand in the aftermarket where of course I can see many many people lining up wanting to buy at 500% over rather than rrp. Yeah, I get that!

    Resellers are meeting the demand for those who want something badly but didn't have the opportunity (eg attending SDCC) or the timing, ambition, knowledge to get it where and when it was available.

    100 of a set, 500 people want it. Guy who tried to buy it after 498 others had never had a shot at it. But thanks to a reseller, he does. Yeah, he's willing to pay 10x MSRP for it so he's encouraging resellers to be one of the 100 in line first and he's setting the price based on what he'll pay. However, Lego's really to be blame because, again, they claim to do so much marketing research. Well, why is it then that they've come up insufficient production to meet demand over and over again?
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    prof1515 said:

    Well, why is it then that they've come up insufficient production to meet demand over and over again?

    Because the dirty little secret that they will never admit to is that they WANT aftermarket prices to rise, they are probably laughing their butts off over this conversation. :)

    Having used LEGO be valuable brings a halo effect to the brand. No one pays huge prices for used Mega Bloc, do they? What about used Fisher Price toys?

    But they do for LEGO, and in the back of many parent's minds, the idea that they are buying something that holds value (even if they never sell) does have an effect.

    It also keeps people buying new LEGO, rather than used.
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  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    edited August 2013
    ^Agreed, Lego may outwardly appear to lift its leg on the secondary market, but the fact that their products have such aftermarket value only increases the marketability of the new products. There's a concrete reason car and truck manufacturers love to tout their resale vale.

    pvancil27 said:

    Who's to blame when said people find ways around limits? Is it TLG's fault LFT Used Family members to get around set limits?

    I most certainly blame Lego for not enforcing a ONE per HOUSEHOLD limit.

    2 PER BUYER for a 20,000 limited run is nonsense...
    The problem is, without VIP, you need to rely on sight to say "hey, you bought this earlier" which is...unreliable to say the least. There will always be ways to skirt a system, with some being much easier to skirt than others.
    prof1515 said:

    However, I would say no fault goes with resellers. They're just meeting that demand because Lego won't. But that's why I say Lego is entirely responsible. They're not meeting that demand and for all their research, they have to be aware what they're doing. Hence, they're at fault.

    I gotta admit, this is mostly true. The demand exists, and Lego failed to satisfy it, so resellers are filling the void - not with quantity either, but rather price, because the demand is there. Perhaps that demand is there because of the restriction, but either way, there must be a sweet spot, and 20k is obviously not it.

    The ONLY problem I have with someone buying two and flipping them is because they should only be flipping one, because the limit should have been that to begin with.
  • pvancil27pvancil27 Member Posts: 588

    pvancil27 said:

    Who's to blame when said people find ways around limits? Is it TLG's fault LFT Used Family members to get around set limits?

    I most certainly blame Lego for not enforcing a ONE per HOUSEHOLD limit.

    2 PER BUYER for a 20,000 limited run is nonsense...

    Not to mention many Lego stores didn't enforce any limits.. Hell, there were quite a few selling the sets before the street date...

    And that's why Lego deserves some of the blame, but limits wouldn't be needed if there was not a subsection of people who took advantage of situation in ways it wasn't designed to be used. And those people would exist if there wasn't a subsection of people with more money then brains.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444

    Pitfall69 said:

    My attempt to lighten the mood has failed miserably. "Blue Parka" and "fun with police officers" resulted in me being called a d**k.

    Fantastic.

    Yes, I thought that was a bit much. I totally got that you were trying to make light, I didn't think for a minute that you'd actually say any of that to a police officer, that would (in reality) just get one arrested.
    Um...well...what I said was true, but again, hard to take me seriously anymore ;)

    pharmjod
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226

    ... in the back of many parent's minds, the idea that they are buying something that holds value (even if they never sell) does have an effect.

    Is that why your mum bought two 41999s ;O)
    jasor
  • JamesJTJamesJT Member Posts: 440
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    ... and add glib, selfish and thoughtless comments that disrespect their AFOL colleagues and do not advance the conversation.

    Pot/kettle
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    edited August 2013
    pvancil27 said:

    Is it's Lego's fault that re-sellers price gouged the Minecraft sets (which had a limited first run but more released later)

    It is LEGO's fault that they massively under-produced this set for FOUR months leading up to Christmas. Once the initial action started, they should have been pumping these things out by the truckload, and given their much bragged about ability to change production need in "days", they could have easily gotten ahead of the curve in time for the Christmas season. They could have shipped them to stores in quantity, rather than not at all, they could have had tens of thousands in their [email protected] warehouse
    pvancil27 said:

    Lloyd Spinners which were never supposed to have been limited?

    but it was. LEGO pumped up the green ninja for like 12 months, then allocated like 12 a week to their brand stores. of course that wasn't going to meet demand
    pvancil27 said:

    What about who's to blame when re-sellers (in general, not just Lego) clear out clearance isles?

    Blame? why does there have to be blame at all? It's clearance, it's been on sale a long time. if someone didn't get it, they had their chance.
    pvancil27 said:

    Who's to blame when said people find ways around limits?

    LEGO could easily better enforce limits if they really wanted to - same address, same name, same credit card, same VIP number, etc, etc. but they don't. it's easy to circumvent, which leads one to conclude that they know that just saying "limit XX" will stop 90% of people from circumventing, and they find the other 10% more acceptable than actually trying to stop it.
    pvancil27 said:

    Is it TLG's fault LFT Used Family members to get around set limits?

    No, but they can't exactly police that either. no amount of rules on their part is going to stop people willing and able to use shill buyers.
  • charlatan13charlatan13 Member Posts: 118
    edited August 2013
    Someone once said 'We don't see the world as it is, but rather as we are' or something to that extent. We all fall somewhere along that line of what we are comfortable with in regard to reselling since there will always be ways to game the system.

    At this point I hope a dedicated #41999 thread (with other lines and threads to come) can take root so that people can check it or ignore it at their own choice.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    pvancil27 said:

    Pitfall69 said:

    My attempt to lighten the mood has failed miserably. "Blue Parka" and "fun with police officers" resulted in me being called a d**k.

    Fantastic.

    That's actually another thing that annoys some people, myself included to a small degree. When someone doesnt want to engage the debate or feels they can't make a valid argument, they either try and be funny to change the discussion, or use the "We will agree to disagree" cop out or the "Not this argument again" complaint.
    I don't get what you are saying. I'm thoroughly involved in the conversation and I'm not shying away from it. It was getting tense and I was just being me.

    It is obvious you don't like me, even though you know nothing about me or anyone in here for that matter. I have no animosity toward you or anyone here. Especially @LostInTranslation for calling me a d**k for something that happened 25 years ago.

    No matter what I say or do...what @LFT says or do, it won't sway you or other people that obviously have an issue with us. It is like someone voting along party lines without hearing what the other party has to say. To me that is ignorance. So, because I know what to expect from you and others of the like, there's no use trying to argue with you. You don't like it when I try to be funny and you don't like it when I'm serious.

  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    How many of you have bought a set that you missed out on from a reseller? How many of you have bought a set from @LegoFanTexas? Resellers, whether you love them or hate them, provide a service. Yes, there are some that have a lot to be desired, but all in all they are no different than Amazon, TRU, Walmart. They are all resellers in their own right and Amazon provides a place for resellers to sell their wares.
  • DougoutDougout Member Posts: 888
    This is ridiculous, a limited edition set with only 20,000 copies is available for 10 days and people start fighting now that they are all sold out. Where was all this hatred towards resellers eleven days ago when no one had a reason to complain.

    Now, thanks to resellers anyone can still get it, albeit at a premium, but some of us would rather complain because it can't be obtained at retail for everyone still? That's what limited edition is, if everyone could get one it wouldn't be limited edition.

    It's the buyer's fault for paying too much? That's as oblivious as saying "I didn't know the limit was 2". It's economics. People get charged different prices for basic commodities all the time. Everyone here is lucky they live in industrialized countries, otherwise much of your paycheck would go to things we all consider basic amenities. TLG would love to charge everyone the max they are willing to pay for anything, a lot of companies would love it, but not everyone can do that, it doesn't look good publicly so they don't do it.

    I feel like debates like this turn into individual interpretations on personal accountability vs public entitlement. They don't really mesh well.

    I encourage anyone that feels wronged by resellers to combat them next time by investing their own money into the Limited Edition set, skirt the limits to get as many as they want and then hand them out to true fans (at least one little Timmy). I'm sure they will feel much better about having helped the community. Just my opinion of course.
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  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    ^You seem as frustrated as I am. Well said though.
    Dougout
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