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  • rancorbaitrancorbait Manitoba CanadaMember Posts: 1,850
    @caperberry- Just wondering why you used the LOTR quote "and in the darkness bind them" if there is no LOTR pieces? or are you working on that?
  • murphquakemurphquake Member Posts: 651
    it makes a ring @rancorbait
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    Correct @murphquake, although I appreciate @rancorbait that LOTR fans may feel a tad misguided :O)

    Was going to use "one Ring to rule them all" but I liked the words 'darkness' and 'bind' which to me resonated with TLG's secrecy and finally bringing a Games part into System. Pretentious, moi? ;o)

    The original title was going to be "if you liked it then you should have put a hole in it", but that was a tad long :O)
    rancorbaitjasorcarlq
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,979
    Loving your blog! Sometimes I get a bit confused when you occasionally switch between using TLG or Bricklink names (or, in some cases, a fusion of the two: "Trans-Brown" versus TLG's "Transparent Brown" or "Tr. Brown", Bricklink's "Trans-Black", or Peeron's "Smoke"). It's often helpful for me when people will choose one naming scheme to use as their "standard" and make notes if the name is likely to confuse people who use a different naming scheme.

    For example, I might make a post mentioning the color 191 Flame Yellowish Orange (Bricklink's Bright Light Orange, known as "Keetorange" among BIONICLE fans), and include the number and the parenthetical clause on the first instance, then use just the name Flame Yellowish Orange by itself on future instances.

    Still, it is helpful that towards the beginning of any segment discussing a color, you DO list two or more names for that color, and I understand that you're probably just choosing among those names and using the one that makes the most sense to you personally. That's perfectly acceptable, and probably doesn't bother most people as long as your pictures and descriptions make it clear just what color you're referring to. It just sometimes feels a bit weird to me to see terms like "Trans-Clear" (a definite Bricklink term, versus TLG's "Transparent" or Peeron's "Clear") on one post, then scroll down to see the same post using a fusion term like "Trans-Brown" and an earlier post using TLG's term "Dark Stone Grey".

    On a side note, if you ever need help knowing what Bricklink names are equivalent to which of TLG's names, I have a spreadsheet here that I've been working on for some time. It is not the most detailed (for instance, it doesn't have timeline placement for the various colors) and it is a constant work-in-progress (there are several colors which I KNOW exist from seeing them on official TLG color palettes, though I don't know which parts or sets used them).

    Ideally, I'd like to one day create a blog like yours talking about individual colors, their various names, their histories, the colors they are often confused with, etc. But of course, that probably doesn't make as much sense as a blog about new elements, because I am often learning things about older LEGO colors when I least expect it. Take this, for instance. I only recently discovered that the color 156 Transparent Deep Blue had EVER been used for System parts (I only knew of it being used for LEGO watches), and not owning the set that included this part, I couldn't verify on my own that it was a distinct color from 40 Transparent Blue (Bricklink's Trans-Dark Blue). Suddenly, Transparent Blue is only one of two colors Bricklink calls Trans-Dark Blue, and it throws the true color of certain other parts carrying that Bricklink name into question.

    Ehhh... apologies for rambling. Loving this blog and looking forward to future updates.
    chromedigi
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    edited July 2013
    Please ramble on, @aanchir - I consistently enjoy your posts here and on EB and always stop to read when I see your name. Funnily enough I've even been ticking over whether to write a post about how bloody difficult naming colours (and parts) is! That might appear once things die out with my current supply of new elements - and I decide which way to approach colour naming.

    You've surmised me absolutely correctly... I've put *some* thought into colour names but not been consistent and have been happy just using my personal favourite. Thanks for pulling me up on the 'trans-fusion' names though, that one I genuinely hadn't realised I was doing!

    My original intent was to use TLG names with BL in parenthesis at the first mention. Quickly realised the issues there, and the main thing that stopped me from doing that was the hideous, utter confusion around the basic colours. Couldn't bring myself to constantly refer to 'green' as Dark Green, knowing that even if I explained it at first mention, or indeed even every mention, it would still cause constant confusion for many readers. And probably me too!

    So that showstopper left me dropping colour naming into the 'too hard' basket - for the time being. I have more brainspace as of this week so your comment (plus the fact I have some posts specifically about new/returning colours languishing in the draft folder) has inspired me to move it from 'too hard' to 'to do' ;O) I will definitely attend to fixing the fusion names sooner though.

    Thanks so much for sharing your spreadsheet. Huge help. I assume green highlights indicate the current palette? Where have you taken your RGB and Hex values from?

    That UV shot is a corker! WANT.
  • drdavewatforddrdavewatford Hertfordshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 6,742
    Aanchir said:

    Sometimes I get a bit confused when you occasionally switch between using TLG or Bricklink names (or, in some cases, a fusion of the two: "Trans-Brown" versus TLG's "Transparent Brown" or "Tr. Brown", Bricklink's "Trans-Black", or Peeron's "Smoke"). It's often helpful for me when people will choose one naming scheme to use as their "standard" and make notes if the name is likely to confuse people who use a different naming scheme.

    Have to say I struggle with exactly the same thing on my blog, and indeed find myself visiting Peeron's colour chart (http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors) surprisingly often.

    My natural inclination would have been to go with the 'Official' LEGO colours, but like @caperberry I can't bring myself to describe 'green' as 'dark green' (ridiculous), 'light bluish grey' as 'medium stone grey' etc. etc. so I've also ended up with a hybrid colour naming convention on my site which I hope at least reflects common sense if nothing else.

    Definitely a blog posting in there, though, and it'd probably fit better on your site than mine Tim so hopefully you'll do one !
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    I probably will @drdavewatford, more out of necessity than desire! But need to figure out what I'm going to decide first :O(

    Surely we can both post about it though :O)
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Manitoba CanadaMember Posts: 1,850
    @caperberry- I'm really loving the blog! It What can I say? The ever expanding variety of elements and colors is exiting! I probably wouldn't have found half the new parts you do, thank you for your time and effort you have obviously put into this. Keep up the great work. :-)
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    *blushes* Cheers @rancorbait! I'm genuinely amazed and inspired by the responses.
  • leemcgleemcg Member Posts: 607
    It's also worth noting when considering "officIal" colours that Jamie Berard calls it "Dark Tan" in official videos.
    chromedigi
  • flowerpotgirlflowerpotgirl BordersMember Posts: 190
    @caperberry, as I said earlier, the blog is great, and I have bookmarked it. Just one tiny query, the subscribe button doesn't seem to be working, has anyone else had this problem or is it just me?
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    leemcg said:

    It's also worth noting when considering "officIal" colours that Jamie Berard calls it "Dark Tan" in official videos.

    Indeed, and it makes me feel I might decide to do the same. Like the Designer videos, I'm primarily talking to an audience of AFOLs so probably creating confusion and unnecessary burden for myself by trying to use TLG colour names by default. But would still mention TLG names as well as much as possible.

    Aren't you on holiday Lee? Get back to the beach.
  • EKSamEKSam Member Posts: 349
    @caperberry After reading the blog I went upstairs and checked the round tiles that come with my daughter's friends set:-) What do you know, all of them have 'x'. Learnt something new today. :-) Loving your blog.
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226

    @caperberry, as I said earlier, the blog is great, and I have bookmarked it. Just one tiny query, the subscribe button doesn't seem to be working, has anyone else had this problem or is it just me?

    Really? Bugger. Thanks for pointing out, flowerpotgirl. Worked initially for me, to be honest I didn't test it thoroughly as it' a standard Blogger widget.

    What goes wrong? Does nothing happen when you submit, or something else like getting no emails? What browser do you use, and are you Mac/PC?

    (Note you can also subscribe by following on Twitter or FB, if you use those. Plus you get little extra tweets or posts about smaller things of interest that I don't write full posts about!)
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    EKSam said:

    @caperberry After reading the blog I went upstairs and checked the round tiles that come with my daughter's friends set:-) What do you know, all of them have 'x'. Learnt something new today. :-) Loving your blog.

    Thanks EKSam! I'm learning new stuff all the time too :O) A few people have commented on that post with great techniques for the X connection that I never knew.
  • flowerpotgirlflowerpotgirl BordersMember Posts: 190
    @caperberry, I use Windows 7 64 bit and firefox, when I click on "subscribe" nothing happens, as if it is not a link - I hope that helps, I will also test this on other browsers - I have Chrome, IE and Opera too. I will report back for the other browsers.
    I can also confirm all of my Friends sets with round tiles also have the X.
  • flowerpotgirlflowerpotgirl BordersMember Posts: 190
    edited July 2013
    @caperberry - update. On Chrome, IE and Opera under subscribe there is a box to enter your email address, this is not showing on FF. The box does show on Firefox on my android phone. I have just used Chrome to subscribe, yay. Thanks for the quick repsonse.
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    No problem, thank YOU for the detailed report back! Bit rubbish about Firefox isn't it. Might need to get my hands dirty Also peeved that Blogger gives no details on how many subscribers I have!!
  • flowerpotgirlflowerpotgirl BordersMember Posts: 190
    ^I have been having a couple of other problems with Firefox lately, and with this as well I am very close to changing permanently to Chrome. I am glad I was able to help, and you do have one extra subscriber now. I would like to put a link to your blog on my website, I presume you would not mind?
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    I'd love that! What's your site?
  • flowerpotgirlflowerpotgirl BordersMember Posts: 190
    It is just a personal site, although I do have one for my computer repair business too, it is www.jaineyj.co.uk. It is still a work in progress, and if you look at it and decide you would prefer me not to link to your blog, I will understand....
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    Any site with Homemaker, Tipper Truck and Snack Bar is a quality referrer in my book :O)

    Just looked up my stats - 20% of visitors use Firefox :O(
  • flowerpotgirlflowerpotgirl BordersMember Posts: 190
    Thank you, they are my childhood sets, which I still own. I will put a link up to your blog - that will probably be tomorrow now, I will try to get it done before I go back to work on Tuesday (boo).
    Like I said earlier, I have been having a few problems with the latest version of Firefox, and when I Google my issues, it seems I am not the only one. I would think that most people who are interested will just bookmark and visit regularly anywayso hopefully it will not affect traffic to your site too much. Glad I was finally able to subscribe to your blog, I will definitely be regular visitor, and when I do go back to work, I will test the problem on my Windows 8/FF machine, in case it is something in my settings.
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    edited July 2013
    You're too kind!

    I had Tipper Truck. My sister had Snack Bar and I coveted it. Homemaker are my current eBay obsession.
  • flowerpotgirlflowerpotgirl BordersMember Posts: 190
    I still have a few left to collect, and my other half is trying to help recreate fresh stickers for my sets - thet are so well played with that the stickers have not survived the (ahem) 30+ years of playing and storage. I really want the Grandfather clock #270-2. I am looking to complete my Homemaker collection, as they are responsible for getting me into Lego.
    I love the snack bar set - it is still built in my lego room, and I would love to get the similar ice cream stand #6601-1 to go with it.
    I still have my Tipper Truck too!
  • drdavewatforddrdavewatford Hertfordshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 6,742
    edited July 2013

    Homemaker are my current eBay obsession.

    Homemaker sets are wonderful - I've already covered them on my blog a couple of times and will no doubt do so again at some point. Not only that, but there seem to be relatively few of us with an interest in them these days, meaning that sets can often be had at a reasonable price when they come up on eBay.

    @flowerpotgirl - if your other half can perfect the stickers then I'd be very interested in getting hold of some - please let me know !
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226

    I really want the Grandfather clock #270-2. I am looking to complete my Homemaker collection, as they are responsible for getting me into Lego.

    Oh the irony - 270 is the great pride of my small Homemaker collection. It's the only one I have MISB. I love the lack of visible studs and the general simplicity of the set and box design.


    Homemaker sets are wonderful - I've already covered them on my blog a couple of times and will no doubt do so again at some point.

    Haven't read those Dave... will take a peep!

  • drdavewatforddrdavewatford Hertfordshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 6,742
    edited July 2013


    Haven't read those Dave... will take a peep!

    http://gimmelego.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/home-truths.html

    and

    http://gimmelego.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-real-classic-space.html

    I love the set (#367) featured in the second post - gorgeous !
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    edited July 2013
    367 was one of, if not my first, large sets! I can thank my early obsession with astronomy for that. Well and probably my parents too.

    I'll never forget the day my sister threw the model into the hallway in a fit of rage. She's forgiven, I suppose.

    Despite being in terrible condition I brought the box back with me from Australia earlier this year. Mum wanted rid and I couldn't bear to sell or destroy it.
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Manitoba CanadaMember Posts: 1,850

    I'll never forget the day my sister threw the model into the hallway in a fit of rage. She's forgiven, I suppose

    The horror! Is that when you had the idea of the parts blog? As you were picking up the pieces? :-)

    caperberry
  • SirBenSirBen In the Hall of the Mountain KingMember Posts: 589
    I signed up to subscribe via email, and while I did received the initial confirmation request email (and I think i confirmed my subscription), I did not get notice that a new post was made. I guess I'll try again after reading about the new 2x2 round tile improvements. I love the blog. Great work!

    Also of note, Astrid speaks of "Dark Blue" arches in the new Winter Village Market designer video rather than "Earth Blue" which TLG uses to designate the color.
  • murphquakemurphquake Member Posts: 651
    And they called Dark Green "Dark Green" when they did the Sopwith video. I'd say BL color names are pervasive amongst AFOLs... Hate to ruin @Huw's day but there's got to be a way to have BL names substituted or in parenthesis in the set inventories from TLG... could be an option for each user, to choose which color you wanna see.
    chromedigi
  • flowerpotgirlflowerpotgirl BordersMember Posts: 190
    @drdavewatford, thanks for the link to your blog, great site. I will keep you informed about the stickers.
  • leemcgleemcg Member Posts: 607
    edited July 2013
    ^^^...^ @caperberry yes I am on holiday. But I have no Lego with me so reading Brickset occasionally is helping me get my Lego fix!
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    edited July 2013
    SirBen said:

    I signed up to subscribe via email, and while I did received the initial confirmation request email (and I think i confirmed my subscription), I did not get notice that a new post was made.

    Gah, that's rubbish. I definitely need to look into replacing the Blogger subscribe widget >:o(

    If you use Facebook or Twitter regularly, I would recommend to Like/Follow there instead, as a human being (that's me) sends notifications of new posts. Plus other weeny tidbits that are too small to write posts about.
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226

    And they called Dark Green "Dark Green" when they did the Sopwith video. I'd say BL color names are pervasive amongst AFOLs... Hate to ruin @Huw's day but there's got to be a way to have BL names substituted or in parenthesis in the set inventories from TLG... could be an option for each user, to choose which color you wanna see.

    Yeah, I didn't want to bow down in the face of pervasiveness, but unfortunately it's just too confusing so I think I'll have to go for the soft approach with BL names and reference to TLG. Irks me, as BL names aren't always correct as experts like @aanchir point out, so I'll need to be careful with research.

    I can't imagine Huw will be attempting to overcome these naming challenges with an automated script, as he'd need to code exceptions e.g. when BL lumps two different colours into one name.
  • flowerpotgirlflowerpotgirl BordersMember Posts: 190
    Update on the Friends sets, I have just opened and built #41009-1. It only has one round 2x2 tile but it has a tube not an x on the bottom. My first one of these!
    caperberry
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,979

    Thanks so much for sharing your spreadsheet. Huge help. I assume green highlights indicate the current palette? Where have you taken your RGB and Hex values from?

    That UV shot is a corker! WANT.

    The RGB values are from the actual LDD assets.lif file; the hexadecimal values are just those converted into hexadecimal using Photoshop for my own personal use. They're probably not the most accurate hexadecimal values you could get your hands on, but they're sufficient for my own purposes (primarily, art like this drawing).

    Green highlights were, at one time, "what's available on the default LDD color palette." I've updated it as the LDD color palette has been updated. None of those colors should be discontinued except for 208 Light Stone Grey (Bricklink's Very Light Bluish Gray) and 294 Phosphorescent Green (Bricklink's Glow In Dark Opaque or Glow In Dark Trans depending on the material of the part in question). But there are some colors not highlighted on that first sheet which are still in use (for example, 298 Cool Silver, Drum Lacquered, Bricklink's Metallic Silver), and some omitted from that first sheet entirely because they are not given any definitions on LDD. The reason the spreadsheet is titled "LDD Color Chart Values" is because that's where it got its start — I added the other sheets, and additional color info, later.

    And they called Dark Green "Dark Green" when they did the Sopwith video. I'd say BL color names are pervasive amongst AFOLs... Hate to ruin @Huw's day but there's got to be a way to have BL names substituted or in parenthesis in the set inventories from TLG... could be an option for each user, to choose which color you wanna see.

    The issue with that is that Bricklink's color chart and the LEGO color chart do not and can not have an exact 1:1 relationship. There are some Bricklink colors that correspond to more than one official LEGO color (Bricklink's "Copper" includes at least four different copper colors). Some LEGO colors also correspond to more than one Bricklink color (for instance, 131 Silver can be Flat Silver, Metallic Silver, or Pearl Light Gray on Bricklink depending on what material the part is cast in and how concerned the person making the inventories were with accuracy).

    Some Bricklink colors do not actually EXIST in TLG's database — for instance, until just a few years ago, all chrome parts were identified with their base color and a note about their surface treatment, so there isn't in fact any official name or number for Bricklink's Chrome Blue — parts in that color are just identified as 102 Medium Blue with a name and design ID specific to a chrome blue surface treatment. And some LEGO colors do not have any Bricklink names — for instance, 144 Army Green was never used outside of extended-line items like the LEGO watches.

    Just take a look at Sheet 2 of that Excel spreadsheet I posted earlier and you'll see what I mean. It's hardly just a matter of plugging the LEGO name into a filter and coming out with a corresponding Bricklink name.

    Update on the Friends sets, I have just opened and built #41009-1. It only has one round 2x2 tile but it has a tube not an x on the bottom. My first one of these!

    I saw this on LDD in the latest update and didn't realize it was already appearing in sets! If anyone's interested, Superkalle from Eurobricks created an LXF file of the new parts and attached it to this post. Some of the parts are new parts this year, some are older parts that are just now being added to the program, and at least one — 14301 — does not seem to be a component in sets from 2013 or earlier!

    Note that not only has TLG recently moved from four to five digits as their standard for set numbers, they've also apparently recently reached the end of available five-digit Design IDs and have gone back to fill in ones they didn't use yet. As such, many of the newest Design IDs are five-digit numbers starting with 1, instead of five-digit numbers starting with 8 or 9 like we'd been getting for the last few years.

    Wonder how long it'll be before they have to start using six-digit Design IDs! If they do, I hope it doesn't create confusion, since TLG has already used six-digit Element IDs for many parts (back in the olden days when the Element ID was just a two-digit color ID appended to the end of a four-digit Design ID).
    chromedigi
  • SirBenSirBen In the Hall of the Mountain KingMember Posts: 589
    I received today's email notification, so signing up a second time seems to have worked, and @caperberry I'm sorry to read about the unfortunate accident your DeLorean encountered...surely it hit 88 scale mph. They must've been short of 1.21 jiggawatts.
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    edited July 2013
    Thanks @SirBen! I didn't realise when they said this set would fly off shelves that it would also apply to balconies.

    Glad the notification worked.
  • EKSamEKSam Member Posts: 349
    @caperberry
    Do you have the Hobbit game #3920? If yes, the picture tiles 2x2 are those new elements? The underside of those tiles are different from regular 2x2 tiles.
  • princedravenprincedraven Essex, UKMember Posts: 3,768
    @EKSam I am not very good at identifying pieces but I think the ones you are on about are the Inverted tiles.
  • ACWWGal2011ACWWGal2011 Member Posts: 534
    EKSam said:

    @caperberry
    Do you have the Hobbit game #3920? If yes, the picture tiles 2x2 are those new elements? The underside of those tiles are different from regular 2x2 tiles.

    Inverted tiles. They premired with a ninjago set earlier in the year iirc.
  • paul_mertonpaul_merton UKMember Posts: 2,967
    I like the ones in Eris’ Eagle Interceptor - first time I'd seen them, so not only exciting from that point of view, but also because they were printed instead of requiring stickers.
  • TheOneVeyronianTheOneVeyronian Help me, I'm inside the M25! (UK)Member Posts: 1,372
    Who else wishes that these wonderful 2x2 inverted tiles came in more than just dark bley and tan (brick yellow)? I remember about 3 months ago I was building a 1500 piece Bugatti Spaceship model, and it required 52 of those exact tiles, in black, for it's smooth underbelly. Problem - they didn't exist in black! All was not lost though, I utilised the uncovered underside to mount a 'UCS' stand onto it to pose it in flight mode.

    Same problem in same model with 3x3 tiles too (but luckily the two used were hidden)! There are some parts that deserve to be made in many of the basic, staple colours I think. One thing I'd like to see is a little colour diversity in potentially useful new parts imho. But I give TLG time :-)
    chromedigi
  • SilentModeSilentMode UKMember Posts: 586
    ^ I want to see them in White.
    chromedigi
  • TheOneVeyronianTheOneVeyronian Help me, I'm inside the M25! (UK)Member Posts: 1,372
    ^ There's a chance they could come out in white this year I think. There *might* be some in one of those new Minecraft sets coming out soon (?), if I remember the discussion correctly.

    That's if you're talking about the wonderful 2x2 Inverted Tile of course :-)
  • EKSamEKSam Member Posts: 349
    Thanks @princedraven and @ACWWGal2011, first time I saw those, pretty cool. :-)
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    It's still early days for that part, I'm sure new colours will come along. But perhaps more slowly than say the 1x1 round tile gets new colours, i guess since it is used in sets more often. (in fact it is now in Orange! In Dolphin Cruiser)

    I am sad that one colour the beautiful 2x2 inverted probably won't appear in soon, or horror of horrors potentially ever, is light bley. Once a part appears in one shade of grey, that tends to get used rather than going to the expense of creating the other shade. Hope I'm wrong though!
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Manitoba CanadaMember Posts: 1,850
    That "filth" block looks awesome, great job! :-)
    chromedigi
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