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  • mountebankmountebank Member Posts: 1,237
    I'm steering completely clear of TMNT. Even if there's good potential there, I just can't "get" the sets at all. The aesthetic misses me by a country mile.
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,099
    prevere said:

    It's funny how the space stuff just never quite makes it in the aftermarket. Yet city and castle, the other part of Lego's classic "big 3" lines, can have some winners.

    That's because there really hasn't been a classic space line in a long, long time.
  • hoyatableshoyatables Member Posts: 873
    Such a shame, too, because classic space was awesome! Nothing beat the rainbow of spacemen. And when Blacktron came it was a revelation. That base was amazing. Especially the huge trans-yellow shield.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    Perhaps there is a good reason the trailer for the 2014 LEGO movie includes "1980's something space guy".

    :)
  • ecmo47ecmo47 Member Posts: 2,101
    Thanks for the comments. I really already knew the answer but though I'd throw it out there. I like the GS line but it’s not a money-maker in the aftermarket. Nothing attracts me to the TMNT line. Maybe it's just the box art. What I am really concerned about as a reseller is the quick change in the market dynamic’s. My bread and butter used to be a set or two to individual customers in the USA. Now it's a few huge overseas shipments. I'm still primarily a BL seller and get plenty of hits but not the shipping inquiries/sales that I used to have just 6-8 months ago. I’m sure the BL hacking issue hasn’t helped, but the individual customers seem to have gone elsewhere or are just not buying anymore. I also wonder if Lego is starting to hit a market saturation point with the tons of sets and new stores that they are rolling out. With so many new and dazzling sets, consumers don’t have the time, money or inclination to pick up an older set. Hope ya’ll had a good 4th.
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Administrator, Moderator Posts: 5,234
    mathew said:

    That's because there really hasn't been a classic space line in a long, long time.

    LEGO Space fans are easily startled but they'll soon return and in greater numbers.



    Pitfall69Geddescoachie
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    ^Do they walk in single file?
  • CupIsHalfEmptyCupIsHalfEmpty Member Posts: 545
    I have to laugh at the concept of "classic" space. Or the "old" future? In castle, you can go back to your roots and do set's based off of real life examples of castles and the way life was. Same somewhat for pirates, since they actually existed. But the concept of "classic" space seems like a nostalgia where a bunch of people want to relive their blue white and trans yellow childhoods.

    Or is their a definition for classic space that I'm missing that could translate into new sets?
    Dougout
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    edited July 2013
    I think the nostalgia around Classic Space is logical. Even though it was a "future" vision, it had a reality-based simplicity that was just beyond where humanity is right now (or then).

    It also had a beautiful balance between innovation and imagination, allowing the kids to explore distant worlds in advanced, but not-too-fantastic spaceships and vehicles. Curiosity and learning were the driving forces in those sets, not unlike those of the kids actually playing with them.

    I liked the recent City Space sets (and wish more were released, like they teased in the poster that came with the sets), but those were grounded a little too much in reality to truly allow imagination to take hold. You play with them and you can see yourself going to Mars or something that we've actually accomplished, but you can't really imagine them heading to another galaxy or something.

    Aliens, evil guys, police, bugs, all that stuff is neat (really neat in some cases actually), but all of those take a little bit away from the innocence and wonderment that was Classic Space.
    sidersddMathBuildermathewjasorhewmanMatthew
  • CupIsHalfEmptyCupIsHalfEmpty Member Posts: 545
    Thank you @tensor. I was getting caught up on the word "classic". Classic space definitely falls under that definition, but because of it's very nature you can't replicate classic because that's the opposite of the definition of the word.

    However, a space theme that's pulled back into the realm of realism would definitely be welcome. Although space bugs can be very cool. I could go for a round of Space sets without an artificial villian.
  • binaryeyebinaryeye Member Posts: 1,831
    CupIsHalfEmpty said:

    I was getting caught up on the word "classic". Classic space definitely falls under that definition, but because of it's very nature you can't replicate classic because that's the opposite of the definition of the word.

    It's "classic" because it's the original incarnation of LEGO Space. "Classic" doesn't mean it has been based on something historic. If it had included bug-like aliens, it would still be referred to as classic because it was the first space-themed LEGO.
  • BrickarmorBrickarmor Member Posts: 1,258
    To me, the Classic Space sets reflect an era when space travel and exploration were still new and fascinating, hence great stuff for imagination. Now space is something of a "known quantity" and astronauts are pretty much satellite mechanics, AT&T guys in zero gravity. I know that's not everyone's view, of course. Most of the space sets lately fall prey to the same boring good guy/bad guy dichotomy. But as with Castle and City, I'm fairly certain that realistic space sets will be a staple in the Lego line for quite a while. Might be a while before we see another Shuttle Expedition, but no doubt it's coming.
  • 09090900909090 Member Posts: 47
    edited July 2013
    Brickarmor said:

    Might be a while before we see another Shuttle Expedition, but no doubt it's coming.

    What we need is a real cool space base. I'm pretty sure all of you would prefer a classic space base such as #6987 over the models of aliens bugs we receive recently. They aren't bad though, but LEGO should give us something which we haven't had for quite a few years. If they add something like #6990 too, they have guaranteed success. :)
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,099
    Brickarmor said:

    Might be a while before we see another Shuttle Expedition, but no doubt it's coming.

    The shuttle is nice and all but I would like to see something closer to the original classic space sets in nature. The early space sets were whimsical in design and were remenicent of 50s and 60s space toys. I like the big trans-blue domes and other unrealistic design touches. The Futuron monorail best exemplifies what I'm thinking about.
  • CupIsHalfEmptyCupIsHalfEmpty Member Posts: 545
    "Life on Mars" had a non conflict storyline and focused on exploration. It touched on attainable futuristic ideas as well. It doesn't have a huge following. Although it was from Lego's rough years.
  • hoyatableshoyatables Member Posts: 873
    I doubt we'll see the Shuttle again. The actual shuttle is no more, so there's no real frame of reference. Unless LEGO were to do a "NASA" line that also included Mercury, Saturn, etc rockets (which could be cool).

    And I think that part of what makes "classic" space so classic is what others have said: it represented an era when space meant "exploration" and "discovery." It built off that general frame of reference but also dove deeply into 50s, 60s, and 70s sci-fi notions of what the "future" might mean.
    Dougout
  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,987
    I think there is a way to do classic space, but with aliens.
    No crazy space police or insects. Just a fun planetary exploration line, with some fun cool friendly aliens, vehicle, etc. Astronauts exploring a new world scenario and encounters a bit of friendly life.

    Of course, never will happen...
  • 14hours2save14hours2save Member Posts: 24
    hoyatables said:

    And I think that part of what makes "classic" space so classic is what others have said: it represented an era when space meant "exploration" and "discovery." It built off that general frame of reference but also dove deeply into 50s, 60s, and 70s sci-fi notions of what the "future" might mean.

    As someone who grew up playing with Classic Space lego, I agree with this. Mind you, I also think Lego were very clever indeed in managing to produce pieces with 'dual' use, like the hand-held telescope that could very easily double as a rocket launcher. There are lots of other examples too, and it made an ostensibly innocent theme one that could easily encompass the conflict that most of us saw in so many sci-fi films of the era and wanted to recreate in Lego.

    Or was that just me?

  • pharmjodpharmjod Member Posts: 2,916
    Orc Forge is now call to check availability on SAH. I called and was told they were out. I can't imagine it will be restocked, but who knows. Some local target stores still have them and it is available online at target.com. I picked up 2, one for me and Orthanic when i finally buy it and one to maybe resell later if it does anything. Hesitant to commit anymore than that to it though for all of the previously discussed reasons.
  • cloaked7cloaked7 Member Posts: 1,448
    Well.... (drum roll, he he)

    According to rottentomatoes the critics hated (24%) The Lone Ranger movie. The audience gave it a passing grade, but just barely (68%). Anyone seen it? If so, what'd you think? More importantly, what about the TLR LEGO theme?
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 1,996
    edited July 2013
    I didn't care for the movie, but I still love the sets that aren't named Colby City Showdown. For the purposes of resale, I think the train and stagecoach will do well way down the line... but I also think it's way too early to be picking up any for resale. At worst, I say you'll be able to find these for 30% off before they retire.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    @cloaked7

    http://www.bricksetforum.com/discussion/11317/will-the-lone-ranger-be-the-next-prince-of-persia#latest
  • BoiseStateBoiseState Member Posts: 804
    Just from looking at EBay, if you sold all the figs from the Funhouse you could make a small profit and get the set for free. Think I'll buy a few of these.
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,624
    So Chima starter set #70113 CHI Battles is 'call to check availability'. Good thing I have 400 of these piled up in the closet. $50 by Christmas easy!
  • asksolasksol Member Posts: 101
    @bumblepants, why would anyone pay $50 for that?
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 1,996
    We really need a sarcasm filter on here...
    BumblepantsLegoFanTexaspharmjodmargot
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,624
    asksol said:

    @bumblepants, why would anyone pay $50 for that?

    Not serious, I only have a couple of these and just because [email protected] sent them to me for free. Just a lame attempt to liven up this thread until Death Star retires
  • asksolasksol Member Posts: 101
    I would suspect that, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone was serious. Probably a benign joke, but if it was the stock market it may be an illegal one.
  • binaryeyebinaryeye Member Posts: 1,831
    asksol said:

    @bumblepants, why would anyone pay $50 for that?

    I figured it was $50 for all 400.

    y2joshLegoFanTexasMathBuilder
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Member Posts: 1,842
    Does anyone know what #7163 is worth?
    I might want to sell/trade it this autumn.
  • gmpirategmpirate Member Posts: 1,654
    ^ Are you unable to use EBay?
    LegoFanTexasDougout
  • DadDad Member Posts: 816
    asksol said:

    I would suspect that, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone was serious. Probably a benign joke, but if it was the stock market it may be an illegal one.

    It's not the stock market so it doesn't matter a monkeys.

  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    edited July 2013
    gmpirate said:

    ^ Are you unable to use EBay?

    @rancorbait, what he was trying to write was, you can use ebay to sort through completed and/or sold items to get a feel for the most recent prices and volume on any given item, Lego or otherwise. It's quite handy for getting a quick feel for what something is currently going for.
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Member Posts: 1,842
    gmpirate said:

    ^ Are you unable to use EBay?

    No, I can use ebay I was just wondering what it was worth.

  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719
    edited July 2013
    rancorbait said:

    gmpirate said:

    ^ Are you unable to use EBay?

    No, I can use ebay I was just wondering what it was worth.

    I'd like to offer my expert opinion on this; this applies to virtually everything that is bought and sold: It is worth whatever someone is willing and able to pay.

    Seriously, though, just go on ebay and look at sold listings for the same item like others have suggested. It's not hard, and it will be a substantially better metric than asking someone what something is worth.

    When you ask something like that, unless it's a really rare item that isn't sold on ebay and/or you are unfamiliar with ebay, it's almost as if you're asking someone to waste their time researching the price instead of spending your own time doing it. I'm not saying this is what you intended, but to me, that's sort of the way it sounds.

    PS: Sorry if I'm grumpy- just woke up lol.
    Pitfall69madforLEGO
  • BanditBandit Member Posts: 889
    ^ http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ebay+lego+7163
  • asksolasksol Member Posts: 101
    @dad, it's a market and this thread is likely influential.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    *pokes head up*

    Did someone say DS was retiring?

    No?

    *puts head back down*
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    edited July 2013
    Whoa, this thread is full of tension today. The sad part is that I'm not in the middle of it. I'm thinking about dipping my FB in chrome, so when the sun shines on my city block, people will be blinded by its glare and not see all the subpar Modulars that surround it.
  • TrenthTrenth Member Posts: 162
    Do you guys think that the long life of the DS will deter resellers from stocking up on Ewok Village? My opinion is that the resellers that purchased DS hoping to do a quick turn around will shy away from EV, but investors in for the long haul won't be deterred. Still though I do think the very long shelf life of the DS has changed the psychology of reselling.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    The more I look at PC, the more I think it is going to be a long run hit. More so than GE or TH.

    FB, PS, and PC are now my favorite modulars, and PC might move up above PS once I actually build it. :)

    I finished TH and was just not impressed. The part count is huge, the building is big, but it is just a tad on the dull side. I can't tell you why either. Maybe it is the color, maybe it just isn't a building that anyone relates to or gets excited about.

    Everyone has a pet or knows someone who has a pet, everyone knows what a fire station is and they are pretty cool, and we all love the cinema. :)

    Town Hall? That is where you pay speeding tickets, get a marriage licence, and deal with the government. Whee! :)

    I know we've had Cafe Corner, but what I really want is another split building like PS, with a Starbucks on one side and another (different) apartment on the other.

    I like coffee! :)
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Member Posts: 1,842
    I don't use ebay much so didn't know you could view sold sets.
    And I apologize for wasting your time.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    @LegoFanTexas

    This corner building is near our business.
  • BrickarmorBrickarmor Member Posts: 1,258
    LegoFanTexas said:


    I know we've had Cafe Corner, but what I really want is another split building like PS, with a Starbucks on one side and another (different) apartment on the other.

    I like coffee! :)

    Already got a coffee/no coffee Lego face.image
    Like looking into a mirror.
  • Thanos75Thanos75 Member Posts: 1,120
    I know that LEGO has to pay a license fee to build sets of certain things....Star Wars , Harry Potter..etc...but dont you think that LEGO is now big enough that they could command license fee for certain sets to be built? Almost like an advertising fee. They could sell off the naming rights to city sets. Instead of having just a generic truck with a set they could have a Ford branded truck. Same could go for modular buildings.
  • vitreolumvitreolum Member Posts: 1,406
    edited July 2013
    It doesn't matter how big they are, they are making a profit from someone else's license. Advertising in this case is mutual, but since Lego is not the owner of the license they have to pay for the rights to use it.
  • DougoutDougout Member Posts: 888
    edited July 2013
    hoyatables said:

    I doubt we'll see the Shuttle again. The actual shuttle is no more, so there's no real frame of reference. Unless LEGO were to do a "NASA" line that also included Mercury, Saturn, etc rockets (which could be cool).

    Right, and if NASA or whoever does build a new manned spacecraft it will most likely look totally different than the shuttle and boosters we are used to. FWIW, the Shuttle Expedition is a perfect set and I don't think there is much room for improvement on it. It is truly a classic.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    Dougout said:

    hoyatables said:

    I doubt we'll see the Shuttle again. The actual shuttle is no more, so there's no real frame of reference. Unless LEGO were to do a "NASA" line that also included Mercury, Saturn, etc rockets (which could be cool).

    Right, and if NASA or whoever does build a new manned spacecraft it will most likely look totally different than the shuttle and boosters we are used to. FWIW, the Shuttle Expedition is a perfect set and I don't think there is much room for improvement on it. It is truly a classic.
    Using smoke cheese slopes for the front window makes it far from perfect in my eyes.
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,099
    Yeah the Shuttle Expedition is a little disappointing. It looks ok displayed from a distance, but it needs to be bigger for it gel. Give it the same piece count as the Imperial Shuttle and it would be perfect.
  • prevereprevere Member Posts: 2,923
    edited July 2013
    I had bought a Destiny's Bounty on sale at Target 6 months ago. Just checked it - now going for $125-$150-ish. Very nice.

    With Chima on the run, and a Ninjago movie in the works, I sense this line is laying low, but ready to pounce in 2014.
    bgl_84
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