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Getting hard to remain a Lego SW fan :(
Anybody else finding it harder and harder to remain a Lego Star Wars fan? I've really been disappointed in the last couple of waves: ugly Clone Wars using exclusive figs to sell overpriced sets and poor redesigns. The new Falcon, Echo base, AT AT, Executor fall very short of expectations. Not to mention the prices are increasingly ridiculous... don't get me started on that $400 pile of grey brick and 1x2 grill SSD with a side helping of cheesy figs :P
They aren't making some really obvious sets that fans want: new Sandcrawler, Cantina, Jabba's Sail barge or Palace and Cloud City. These deserve to be remade
I'd just be happy with a new Tie fighter and a couple of smallish Tatooine sets with some jawas, tuskens and cantina creatures. C'mon Lego you're losing me! Post edited by @Matthew -23/06/11 18.18 BST - Reason for Edit: Moved from 'The forum' to 'Everything else LEGO'
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I own the original Sandcrawler and would never buy a remake. The set targets adult collectors who generally had lots of chances to pick it up around 2007. As for other starwars sets I'm finding myself amused by the new Echo Base and other Starwars display/play sets. I'm tired of over-priced ships... I own most of them by now anyway. I also unchecked the "wanted" on the SSD yesterday... I now see it for what it is.
It's been a great theme with some fun sets. Some of my favorites: 6212 X-Wing, 7658 Y-Wing, 8017 Advanced Tie, 8038 Endor and the 10198 Tantive IV.
Love the Falcon and Destroyer Midi Scale ships - really hoping we get more of those scale sets. Some of the Clone Wars sets are great builds.
The community is divided about whether they like rehashes, but most would agree that if a set were reintroduced, it should be a redesign to improve upon the original. The Sandcrawler and Sail Barge were well received sets and are not in as dire need for a redesign as some other sets.
The community is also divided on whether or not they like scene sets, as there have been a number that were considered underwhelming (Home One, Ultimate Lightsaber Duel, even Cloud City). So I don't think a re-release of Mos Eisley Cantina, Jabba's Palace, and Cloud City are as obvious as you say.
So while you have some legitimate criticisms of the current sets (I'm not too impressed either), your solution just sounds like it's intended to help you acquire sets you missed:
1999 - 100% complete
2000 - 80% complete
2001 - 90% complete
2002 - 83% complete
2003 - 100% complete
2004 - 86% complete
2005 - 88% complete
2006 - 100% complete
2007 - 93% complete
2008 - 20% complete
2009 - 27% complete
2010 - 21% complete
2011 - 0% complete
I think it started with the fact that the Clone Wars began dominating the number of sets released, and I wasn't interested in buying any Clone Wars sets. I'd still buy the classic SW sets, just not the CW sets, and it made for a low percentage.
But now, after a few years of not bothering to even TRY buying the majority of SW sets, I find myself not even caring about the classic stuff anymore. I *was* buying re-releases and such-- I think maybe once I got into the habit of not buying "everything Star Wars", now I've switched to not caring about the stuff I probably would have otherwise purchased.
I'd probably buy more classic SW sets if they were new things we haven't seen before-- but that well is drying up pretty quickly. Rebel Transport, Ion Cannon, Rancor... maybe a Mon Cal cruiser or Medical Frigate? I dunno. I guess I'm mostly all Star-Wars'ed out as far as LEGO goes.
If it's a must, I would have to say Millennium Falcon is the only set worth acquiring for.
But there will still be people who would buy those new sets because they always can do so. If you are a guy on a budget, you get to be discriminating and cautious, and that weighs down on each purchase. You always ask yourself if it is worth the money!
And we would always see some fan-made creations that just blow the mind and make us wish that it was an actual set. Though there are many that do come into reality, I bet the catch will still be the price tag.
As for me, I'm just happy that I don't feel the need to collect every set there is in my favorite theme.
I started off only buying SW sets, almost exclusively OT, then branched into CW, realised I couldnt relate so well to the CW sets and branched out to Modular's, Trains, HP, Kingdoms, etc and now looking at things like the UCS SSD I think 'yuck' how boring and grey.
As I said in the news section:
£350 for a huge grey 3152 piece monster (with 5 minifigs) that I would have to dismantle pretty quickly as it takes a stupid amount of space.
£353 for Fire Brigade, Grand Emporium AND Pet Shop, 6445 pieces (over double!) (with 11 minifigs, fire dog, fog, cat, parrots and fish) and will look awesome displayed.
Could still be tempted back, but would need to be by some more interesting sets: would love an UCS play set, like an UCS Jabba Palace or UCS Cloud City or even UCS Homestead. I know the UCS are more display models, but think if TLG offered bigger scale these could be awesome. Jabba's palace which is one of my favorite settings in the star wars saga is 231 peices for christ sake (and no Rancor!?!), they could easily make (and sell IMO) a set with 2-3 thousand peices and I would buy it in a heartbeat. And dont get me started on the Cantina!
Lego Star Wars was a good theme and still has potential but Lego has been milking it too much. They really need to stop with the revised versions of previous sets (Slave-1 and Snowspeeder, I'm talking about you) and finally give us those few sets that have been repeatedly ignored (bantha, rancor) or which could use a decent update (cloud car, cantina, Jabba's palace). Release those sets and then put an end to the theme.
Finally, they also need to cut the gimmicks. There used to be a distinct difference between System and UCS sets (even though the UCS X-Wing used the System R2, the ship itself was not minifigure or system scale). The addition of mini-figures to a few mini-figure scaled UCS sets (Falcon and Shuttle) was a nice touch but adding exclusive figures to the mix suggests that Lego knows the UCS doesn't have enough appeal on its own. The upcoming Super Star Destroyer seems to confirm that since the model isn't mini-figure scale or system scale.
Lego's designers used to produce good sets that were about building models (and rebuilding as different models) that were the result of the designers' and builders' creativity. The licensed theme sets have somewhat lost that aspect and the rising cost of these sets further limits the building potential of the sets.
So, I vote for letting the Star Wars license die. Well, I have been voting for that for a long time but, like many others in this thread have pointed out, the recent years have strengthened that position immensely.
Another concern about the remakes is that many of them just aren't much better (if at all) than the previous version(s). Slave 1 is a case in point - the new version is IMHO not a meaningful step up from the 2 previous versions (visit :
if you want to read more of my musings on this topic).
I'll stay up to date until the end of 2011 and then take a view on the future. I suspect that I'll start 2012 with the intention of collecting every set, but whether I do so or not will depend to a significant extent on the quality of product. And would I care if the LEGO Star Wars theme was gracefully retired ? No, probably not.
If so will you be buying it because you want to or for 'completeness'?
Regarding pics, you can check out :
- my Flickr stream : http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ (hopefully that will work)
- my Blog : http://www.gimmelego.blogspot.com/
There are a number of blog entries dealing with Star Wars UCS sets including :
Just have a poke around, and try clicking the "UCS" tag at the bottom of one of the above postings.
(sorry for the offtopic!) Was at Westfield yesterday, and was admiring your City College.
Saw pictures before, but it looks better 'in the brick' :)
Lovely model fella, mentioned it to the guy who served me and he was saying about it being made by some guy ALL ON HIS OWN, with NO INSTRUCTIONS, so he was clearly impressed too :)
Snapped a quick pic (sorry about the quality) in case others hadnt seen it.
And quickly back to SW. I like your UCS Venator Star Destroyer, very nice. Cant quite put my finger on what it is that appeals but is a lot nicer than the official kit (IMO).
Regarding the Venator, I can't take credit for that one I'm afraid - I bought a set of instructions and all the parts from someone on eBay. Cracking model, though - I agree it's much better than the LEGO version, although to be fair the official set is a playset rather than a display model. I wrote about the process of buying and building the Venator a couple of weeks back on the blog and there are a bunch more pics including build pics if you want to see more.
FYI there will be a large display of official and unofficial UCS Star Wars models as part of a bigger display by the Brickish Association at the National Space Centre in Leicester on 16th and 17th July. The Venator will be on display there. Expect to see a few more plugs for the display on Brickset and the forums as we get nearer to the date !!
The Sailbarge and Sandcrawler were good sets and if I purchased them when they were new, I might not have any interest in seeing them re-released. I think they could be tweaked enough to justify a redo. But if they weren't, at the very least, a new Jabba with some printing on him would be a nice improvement. It would also be nice to get a set with some Jawas. I don't think the original Cantina set or Jabba's palace realized their full potential. IMO, they would definitely benefit from a well done redo. A nice sized Cantina with the band and the other creatures is something I've been waiting on for long time.
There are a lot of sets I missed however, that I have no desire to see remade and probably wouldn't buy them if they were. Personally, I don't really want a new Cloud City, but I have seen a lot of comments on other sites from people that do. I would prefer to see smaller individual sets that represent different scenes from CC; like a well designed Carbon Freezing Chamber.
The way I see it, I don't think they can continue to make PT or OT sets without some level of rehash. We can only hope that if they are going to continue to re-release previous sets, that they will be improved. If not then maybe it's time to call it quits. As far as prices - I don't mind shelling out for sets that I feel are worth it. It's just lately it feels like they have been producing some very mediocre stuff and asking a premium for it.
Personally I hope Lego keep the licence for a few years yet and overall it has been a great line and probably brought a lot of us older Lego fans out of our dark ages!
as for lego star wars, i am a big fan of the original trilogy sets but i have never been into the clone wars stuff, that was until i started playing star wars 3 - the clone wars on the Wii, i can now feel a spending spree coming on.
I'm one of those 'there are only three Star Wars films' people, so you can guess where I stand on the Star Wars sets :)
* not sure if it's 'better' value at $1500 new. Mine was a partial original model completed by the eBay seller, so it's not 'proper', but it cost me a lot less than $1500.
The SSD is good to have as a collector piece, but I can't see it enticing too many people to plonk down a bunch of cash for it. To each their own I guess.
I'm almost tempted to say if it were even bigger, maybe getting close to 2 meters, it might *feel* more special; the centrepiece of any Lego Star Wars collection.