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May the 4th Promotion 2013

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  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    edited March 2013
    ^See the recent outcry over the inaccurate chromed dome on the wave 3 VOTC R2-D2 to see why that would be a bad idea. At least insofar as SW fans are concerned.
  • GoldchainsGoldchains Member Posts: 795
    tensor said:

    It's not free. You are paying $75+ for a combination of it and something else.

    It is free. Yes, you have to purchase something to get it, but you were going to do that anyways right? So this means you get the minifig for FREE as a promotional giveaway. You don't have to pay for it in itself, so that makes it FREE. But I digress. Tomato, tomahto.
  • BanditBandit Member Posts: 890
    ^ actually, no. I'm only purchasing to get the figure. No figure, no purchase. I imagine most people are in this boat.
    Diggydoes
  • adello25adello25 U.S.A.Member Posts: 361

    tensor said:

    It's not free. You are paying $75+ for a combination of it and something else.

    It is free. Yes, you have to purchase something to get it, but you were going to do that anyways right? So this means you get the minifig for FREE as a promotional giveaway. You don't have to pay for it in itself, so that makes it FREE. But I digress. Tomato, tomahto.
    It is a free PROMOTIONAL figure. You have to spend money to get the PROMOTIONAL item. If it was FREE, you'd just be able to walk into a Lego store and get one for nothing.
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348

    tensor said:

    It's not free. You are paying $75+ for a combination of it and something else.

    you have to purchase something to get it
    I completely understand your logic @Goldchains, and it would seem too make sense. But you have to actually simplify everything to break it down...

    I think your own statement actually sums it up well.

    If you have to purchase something too get an item, it is then, by definition, not free.

  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Yep, I would otherwise wait and buy from Amazon when the item is on sale, rather than pay full price at a LEGO store.

    So it isn't free.

    TC-14 last year was worth buying a number of items to get a dozen of them, Han is not.
  • lulwutlulwut Member Posts: 417
    What's the difference between a item priced at $25 with free shipping and the same item priced at $23 with a $2 shipping fee?
  • streekerstreeker FranceMember Posts: 299
    FBTB got it right. It is a promotional item--to promote the buying of #75014.
  • murroughmurrough Member Posts: 59
    Well nothing in life is really free. Even if I walk into the store and received one at no monetary cost, I still would have had to spend my time, energy and any transportation cost.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,412
    You guys are being ridiculous. Don't buy anything if you don't like the minifigure. That's that. Promotional minifigures aren't "free". VIP points aren't free. Stores that have buy 1 get 50% off or buy 2 get one free aren't giving away free stuff. The points I earn on my credit card aren't free. Of course you have to buy something to get something in return. All this is crazy talk.
  • PhoneboothPhonebooth USMember Posts: 1,430
    tensor said:

    Random ramblings...

    Lego managed record profits, yet the promos and discounts on the big events are diminishing. 2012 gave only the single, smaller Xmas scene for the holidays, now we get yet another dilution of a central Star Wars character for 5/4. Where is Lego's marketing team?

    Lego's core "base" business is so strong that they don't have to do a million sales, promotions, giveaways or gimmicks to get the consumer to buy in. The product is that good - don't believe it? Why dedicate so much time to a fan-based forum then?

    You don't like the promo, fine. But I don't hear anyone griping about the discount that most here - if not all - plan Spring purchases around. How many other major retailers/manufacturers offer consistent promotions?

    What do all these things have in common:
    Grab bags
    Afol days
    Strict rules on promos/give aways

    Answer: all thing either gone or quickly going. Might as well add May the 4th, 2014 to that list.

  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    Pitfall69 said:

    You guys are being ridiculous. Don't buy anything if you don't like the minifigure. That's that. Promotional minifigures aren't "free". VIP points aren't free. Stores that have buy 1 get 50% off or buy 2 get one free aren't giving away free stuff. The points I earn on my credit card aren't free. Of course you have to buy something to get something in return. All this is crazy talk.

    I don't think anyone is really being ridiculous.

    Taken in the context of we think that we should all get a free item from LEGO, now that is ridiculous (ignoring that VIP keychain...).

    However, I think what most people are voicing is there displeasure at the lackluster-ness of the May 4th promotional item this year. Going back a page, it's a nice figure, but it is another Han Solo. Thus, they wish, if they are going to spend $75, they'd rather receive an item they think is more exclusive and warrants spending $75. Too them/us, $75 doesn't warrant the purchase of yet another Han Solo.

    Thus, people are merely voicing their displeasure. This event only happens once a year. I like many others look forward too it. I'm somewhat disappointed at the promotional item LEGO is offering me. Now I have to wait another year for the next promotion and the next figure.

    The bottom line is we would have liked a different figure, which all ties in with the context of "promotional item", and $75, etc.. It's all tied together. If you separate it into little pieces, it certainly sounds like we are being ridiculous.
    But if you take it as whole, no one is really being ridiculous here. It's all just simple discussion. :o)
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    edited March 2013

    TC-14 last year was worth buying a number of items to get a dozen of them, Han is not.

    Unless you were building an army of chrome silver protocol droids for some reason, this statement makes no sense. If you're reselling them, it won't take long for Han to surpass the value of TC-14.
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    edited March 2013
    y2josh said:

    TC-14 last year was worth buying a number of items to get a dozen of them, Han is not.

    Unless you were building an army of chrome silver protocol droids for some reason, this statement makes no sense. If you're reselling them, it won't take long for Han to surpass the value of TC-14.
    That's definitely coming from a re-selling perspective.

    As amazing as an army of chrome silver protocol droids would be...

    I'd have too kindly disagree though with your comment @y2josh. I think TC-14 will remain higher priced than Han Solo in the aftermarket. In more correct terms, I believe TC-14 has a higher ceiling than Han Solo.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    edited March 2013
    The only thing that will prevent Han from reaching a higher price by the end of 2014 is if they put him into a set. Of that I am certain.

    Or if Disney, in their Star Wars destroying wisdom sees fit to add a TC-14 movie to their other standalone prospects. :D
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    y2josh said:

    The only thing that will prevent Han from reaching a higher price by the end of 2014 is if they put him into a set. Of that I am certain.

    Or if Disney, in their Star Wars destroying wisdom sees fit to add a TC-14 standalone movie to their other standalone prospects. :D

    Curious Josh, why are you so confident that Han Solo will surpass TC-14? I have my own thoughts on the topic of course (the opposite obviously ;o) ), but would love to hear yours first if you'd share them.

  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    edited March 2013
    y2josh said:



    Or if Disney, in their Star Wars destroying wisdom sees fit to add a TC-14 movie to their other standalone prospects. :D

    Disney pictures presents:

    TC-14 The Movie- Negotiations of a Protocol Droid.

    Coming 2014 to a theater near you.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,412
    ^That would be one short film.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,412
    Where's @y2josh? We have to keep this thread moving

    "Would it help if I got out and pushed?"
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,412
    I think @samiam391 and @y2josh should have a bet on which minifigure will be higher in price by 2014, Han or TC-14.
    sidersdd
  • Jonn420Jonn420 Member Posts: 267
    Its kinda a catch 22, since so many ppl dont like the new Han and wont be shelling out the $75 to get him, the ones that are out there could fetch a higher price than TC14.... However if it bombs too hard and there is an overstock of them, we vary well could see them in a hoth set, (battle damaged luke,han, open taun tuan. and another snowspeeder w/ jek , and a small snowy baseplate)...therefor killing a huge resale value.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    Sure.

    TC-14 is a niche character appealing only to the most hardcore Star Wars and minifig completionists.

    The Shadow ARF had already outpaced TC-14's appreciation by this same point in its lifespan.

    Run-of-the-mill Han Solo minifigs found in sets sell for around $10 (more if you throw in the carbonite).

    Building from the above, this Han, save for the hair, is completely unique. Any other version of Han available can be pretty easily cobbled together, as he really only has a handful of elements that comprise his variety of 'costumes' across sets.

    One more reason which I'm choosing to withhold until the promo is over.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    edited March 2013
    Pitfall69 said:

    Where's @y2josh? We have to keep this thread moving

    "Would it help if I got out and pushed?"

    It might!

    Side note - Now that you've started quoting Leia, I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say I absolutely hope that your next step isn't to change your profile picture to one of you wearing the golden bikini.
    Pitfall69
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    Jonn420 said:

    Its kinda a catch 22, since so many ppl dont like the new Han and wont be shelling out the $75 to get him, the ones that are out there could fetch a higher price than TC14.... However if it bombs too hard and there is an overstock of them, we vary well could see them in a hoth set, (battle damaged luke,han, open taun tuan. and another snowspeeder w/ jek , and a small snowy baseplate)...therefor killing a huge resale value.

    I doubt they "re-release" it in a set. Even if it looks like it could come with one.

    You do mention though the only way I could give Han Solo the edge, is if because not as many people like it (I don't know if I speak for the majority or not), not as many are given out on May 4th. However, LEGO will produce a certain number of these, so they will get rid of all of them one way or another. Wether if that is with another promotion down the line (as with the ARF), or a TRU giveaway, etc..

    It will than come down too which is more exclusive as deemed by the consumer. Han Solo or TC-14? Likely, they are produced in relatively the same numbers. So neither one gains the upper hand in that factor.

    It comes down too the consumer, as always. They will decide which one is rarer in their mind.

    My humble opinion will have to favor TC-14. Considering the consumer decides, you look at the other chrome figures and see their high prices. Chrome C-3PO, Chrome Vader, Chrome Stormtrooper, etc.. Both those fetch much higher prices than the average poly. While they aren't on the same number scale as these two promotional items, they will create bias for the chrome market.

    In my opinion, chromeys are naturally thought of as a higher value item. It's just human nature too see something shiny as higher value. Is that necessarily true? Certainly not.. but it's the public view, and thus the majority market view.

    Han is almost just too good, in the fact that he looks like a typical LEGO minifigure. Nothing screams special about him, unfortunately. Nice printing? You better believe it. Neat torso? Of course. Is there a special feeling about him? No, aside from the fact he sits in a separate plastic polybag.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    Jonn420 said:

    Its kinda a catch 22, since so many ppl dont like the new Han and wont be shelling out the $75 to get him, the ones that are out there could fetch a higher price than TC14.... However if it bombs too hard and there is an overstock of them, we vary well could see them in a hoth set, (battle damaged luke,han, open taun tuan. and another snowspeeder w/ jek , and a small snowy baseplate)...therefor killing a huge resale value.

    Jek Porkins? I think you mean Zev, and, though he'd be appropriate to that scene, I'd rather see a new pilot like 'Hobbie' or (also not Hoth-appropriate) Garvin Dreis.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    edited March 2013
    y2josh said:

    TC-14 last year was worth buying a number of items to get a dozen of them, Han is not.

    Unless you were building an army of chrome silver protocol droids for some reason, this statement makes no sense. If you're reselling them, it won't take long for Han to surpass the value of TC-14.
    There is no way on this rock floating around the Sun that this Han figure will be worth more than TC-14. No. Way. That's crazy talk. People like shiny. They cradle it and call it precious.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,412
    y2josh said:

    Pitfall69 said:

    Where's @y2josh? We have to keep this thread moving

    "Would it help if I got out and pushed?"

    It might!

    Side note - Now that you've started quoting Leia, I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say I absolutely hope that your next step isn't to change your profile picture to one of you wearing the golden bikini.
    Don't give me any ideas :)

  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    So, there was a question that got buried and not answered I think. All of those that got the new calendar (and took pics of the Han figure), what else does the calendar say is being promoted on 5/4? Free shipping, tiered-discounts? What?
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    samiam391 said:

    While they aren't on the same number scale as these two promotional items, they will create bias for the chrome market.

    In this regard, I'm counting on TLG to have learned from past mistakes in terms of understanding that the May the 4th sale won't be very big unless the Death Star is going and they make it known.

    On this same note, I probably can safely compare the Shadow ARF with TC-14, since they were both May the 4th promos and both were re-used as promos later in the year. TC-14 simply isn't performing as well as the ARF had, even in spite of the 'chromey goodness.'
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    y2josh said:

    samiam391 said:

    While they aren't on the same number scale as these two promotional items, they will create bias for the chrome market.

    In this regard, I'm counting on TLG to have learned from past mistakes in terms of understanding that the May the 4th sale won't be very big unless the Death Star is going and they make it known.

    On this same note, I probably can safely compare the Shadow ARF with TC-14, since they were both May the 4th promos and both were re-used as promos later in the year. TC-14 simply isn't performing as well as the ARF had, even in spite of the 'chromey goodness.'
    You're right, it isn't performing near anywhere what the other chromies, or even shadow ARF did/have.

    Which is why I don't see I think it is actually worth more, but in more correct terms, has a higher ceiling than Han Solo. I'd be more willing to bet that TC-14 will go higher than Han Solo will come say @Pitfall69's date of 2014. Or, will at least going up while Han Solo remains stagnant at points.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    Holiday 2014 was actually my prediction for how long it would take Han to overtake TC-14, though I suppose it could be quicker if the market isn't immediately flooded.
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    @y2josh... so.. in other words.. the bet is on? :o)
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    I'd be happy to take that bet, but from what I know of us, I don't really collect every minifigure on the planet, so I'm not sure what I have that you'd be interested in... though, looking back through your posts, I think the perfect prize for you would be a blue parka Han Solo figure. :D
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,098
    Josh, sorry man, but this Han figure sucks. The problem is that he's just not a very good stand alone figure. Regardless of how important TC-14 is, at least it looks great on its own. This Han looks like something from the Advent calendar.
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    edited March 2013
    y2josh said:

    I'd be happy to take that bet, but from what I know of us, I don't really collect every minifigure on the planet, so I'm not sure what I have that you'd be interested in... though, looking back through your posts, I think the perfect prize for you would be a blue parka Han Solo figure. :D

    And the perfect prize for you? A protocol droid of my choice.. he may or may not look something like C-3PO. ;o)
    mathew said:

    Josh, sorry man, but this Han figure sucks. The problem is that he's just not a very good stand alone figure. Regardless of how important TC-14 is, at least it looks great on its own. This Han looks like something from the Advent calendar.

    shhhhhh... I'm getting a FREE Han Solo! ;o)
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,412
    What does the winner get? A crappy Valentine's Day key chain?
    indigobox
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    Perfect! Blue parka Han Solo vs. a solid gold Threepio. This is a great bet.
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    edited March 2013
    y2josh said:

    Perfect! Blue parka Han Solo vs. a solid gold Threepio. This is a great bet.

    It's only 14kt... is that ok?
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    samiam391 said:

    y2josh said:

    Perfect! Blue parka Han Solo vs. a solid gold Threepio. This is a great bet.

    It's only 14kt... is that ok?
    As long as he's shiny.
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    edited March 2013
    y2josh said:

    samiam391 said:

    y2josh said:

    Perfect! Blue parka Han Solo vs. a solid gold Threepio. This is a great bet.

    It's only 14kt... is that ok?
    As long as he's shiny.
    Glad you finally realized what wins and matters around here. ;o)
    Pitfall69MathBuilder
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,412
    Man, that's going to be a long time to wait. It's like waiting for mrtonyj to make good on a transaction or waiting for @LegoFanTexas to find his Imperial Star Destroyer box ;)
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    ^ Didn't I tell you that I ended up finding the box? :)
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,412
    I can't remember. It was so long ago ;)
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    I'll also bet that @tensor is going to be disappointed to discover that there have been a million new replies to this thread, yet not one of them is in regards to what other information is on the May calendar.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Pitfall69 said:

    I can't remember. It was so long ago ;)

    Either way, I did find it. :) Still, I think I did you a fair price on the new in box set, so it works out in the end (I hope).

    Speaking of which, maybe now I'll sell the used set, probably for more than I sold you the new one for! :)
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    y2josh said:

    I'll also bet that @tensor is going to be disappointed to discover that there have been a million new replies to this thread, yet not one of them is in regards to what other information is on the May calendar.

    What? Stay on topic? Next you'll be telling us to stay on target... Red 5 standing by... :)
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,412
    What was the question again?
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002

    y2josh said:

    I'll also bet that @tensor is going to be disappointed to discover that there have been a million new replies to this thread, yet not one of them is in regards to what other information is on the May calendar.

    What? Stay on topic? Next you'll be telling us to stay on target... Red 5 standing by... :)
    Clearly if I were to utter anything from the Battle of Yavin it would be 'YEEEHOOOO!' or 'You're all clear, kid! Now let's blow this thing and go home.'

    Duh.
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,348
    y2josh said:

    I'll also bet that @tensor is going to be disappointed to discover that there have been a million new replies to this thread, yet not one of them is in regards to what other information is on the May calendar.

    Does anyone actually know? That information would be helpful.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    ^Seems like @adello25 should be able to answer that one.
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