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The Community Perspective on Reselling

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  • CrowkillersCrowkillers Member Posts: 757
    I just don't see where the line is drawn(or why it is drawn) to determine the difference is between a good reseller and a bad reseller... And I also think that some people forget exactly how they are conducting their own business as far as Lego buying/selling goes because they are caught up in how someone else's ethics as a reseller differs from their own when in reality they are all doing the same thing but at a different level...

    What I am seeing here are people saying that it is ok to speed, but get mad when someone faster passes them up...
    BlueMoonUSALegoFanTexas
  • LegoMom1LegoMom1 Member Posts: 652
    @Yellowcastle said- That being said, no one here (i.e. not a single person) is bemoaning the concept of reselling, just the behaviors that some resellers employ.

    This thread- in a nutshell.

  • pvancil27pvancil27 Member Posts: 588
    edited August 2013

    I just don't see where the line is drawn(or why it is drawn) to determine the difference is between a good reseller and a bad reseller... And I also think that some people forget exactly how they are conducting their own business as far as Lego buying/selling goes because they are caught up in how someone else's ethics as a reseller differs from their own when in reality they are all doing the same thing but at a different level...

    What I am seeing here are people saying that it is ok to speed, but get mad when someone faster passes them up...

    Using your speeding example, very few of us are complaining about someone running 5-10 miles an hour over the speed limit, we are complaining about the guy in a mustang running 135mph (217kpm) in a 40 (64)



  • BlueMoonUSABlueMoonUSA Member Posts: 116
    But surely if you're bemoaning certain practices associated with reselling, you are also, by association, bemoaning the practice of reselling itself.
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Northern VirginiaAdministrator, Moderator Posts: 5,238
    ^ Nope.
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,395

    But surely if you're bemoaning certain practices associated with reselling, you are also, by association, bemoaning the practice of reselling itself.

    Just because I don't like chocolate ice cream, doesn't mean I hate ice cream.
    Pitfall69TheLoneTensorjasorkhmellymel
  • BlueMoonUSABlueMoonUSA Member Posts: 116
    So as long as I stay away from the chocolate third of my Neopolitan reselling tub, I'm cool? :)
  • charlatan13charlatan13 Member Posts: 118
    If someone new joins and clicks on the 'Best of' link almost all the posts come back to this thread. If they are curious and check it out I can only imagine what their initial impression(s) might be.

    I'm sure they will be fIne once they wander over to the Predictions/Reselling thread to gain some insight.
  • incredulousincredulous Member Posts: 18
    edited August 2013
    Pitfall69 said:

    It seems that all I'm doing in this thread is adding people to my collection that enjoy calling me a $%&#%. Thank God I'm not a consumer ;)

    There's really no polite way to say this and since my reputation is already suspect, I'll just say what many people are thinking but aren't saying because they are far more polite than I am.

    Your incessant unfunny jokes in the Predictions thread are just barely tolerable but they are excused because that thread is such a mess. However when it spills into the rest of the forum, as it often does, it is terribly distracting. Even worse is that the jokes are becoming more and more lowbrow, crass, and downright vulgar. To top it off, when people show disinterest or disgust, rather than curtailing the jokes, you bemoan how unappreciated you are in a display that is pitifully attention-getting.

    Or should I say "pitfally" ;)
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 10,234
    I think that after reading some of these comments, that people take themselves and life in general WAYYYY too seriously
    FollowsClosely
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
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    pvancil27 said:

    Using your speeding example, very few of us are complaining about someone running 5-10 miles an hour over the speed limit, we are complaining about the guy in a mustang running 135mph (217kpm) in a 40 (64)

    Really? It rather felt otherwise when I was attacked for ending up with 6 copies of #41999 rather than 2, and it was pointed out that 6 was no better than 50.

    Which is why I was so shocked by the response, it felt like I had just said, "oh yea, I was a bit late for work so I had to drive 50mph in a 40mph zone", and the replies were, "oh my gosh, you're evil, how dare you, that is the same as driving 135mph, you should be ashamed of yourself."
  • doriansdaddoriansdad CTCMember Posts: 1,337

    I gotta say, I think TRU did a great job shipping these for once:

    Anyone else have similar success?

    /edit whoops, wrong thread. please feel free to move to the TRU 41999 topic.

    I don't know what is more hilarious...the bad photoshop job or the fact that someone actually has that gaudy rug on their deck...hmmm maybe I need a rug on my deck....but only if its a limited edition!

  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444

    I think that after reading some of these comments, that people take themselves and life in general WAYYYY too seriously

    For sure. I know when to be serious and when not to be. When I make transactions with people on this forum, I'm all business. While running my businesses, I'm serious. This forum is supposed to be fun and I'm aware that my "humor" can rub people the wrong way, but know this, I'm sincere and genuine. I think people can be wound too tight.

  • rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,290
    edited August 2013

    Really? It rather felt otherwise when I was attacked for ending up with 6 copies of #41999 rather than 2, and it was pointed out that 6 was no better than 50.

    Which is why I was so shocked by the response, it felt like I had just said, "oh yea, I was a bit late for work so I had to drive 50mph in a 40mph zone", and the replies were, "oh my gosh, you're evil, how dare you, that is the same as driving 135mph, you should be ashamed of yourself."

    Actually, the replies were more like "didn't you say that you had stopped speeding altogether since you got a ticket many months ago? and then didn't you tell us that at some point the highway patrol put a speed limiter on your car anyway, to which we all sympathized? so now that you've gone 10 mph over the speed limit, does that mean you in fact have been speeding and in order to do so knowingly circumvented the speed limiter?" :P

    Yellowcastley2joshprincedravenCCCLegoFanTexasDougoutjasorPhonebooth
  • CrowkillersCrowkillers Member Posts: 757
    edited August 2013
    pvancil27 said:

    I just don't see where the line is drawn(or why it is drawn) to determine the difference is between a good reseller and a bad reseller... And I also think that some people forget exactly how they are conducting their own business as far as Lego buying/selling goes because they are caught up in how someone else's ethics as a reseller differs from their own when in reality they are all doing the same thing but at a different level...

    What I am seeing here are people saying that it is ok to speed, but get mad when someone faster passes them up...

    Using your speeding example, very few of us are complaining about someone running 5-10 miles an hour over the speed limit, we are complaining about the guy in a mustang running 135mph (217kpm) in a 40 (64)

    The fact is that you shouldn't be complaining at all if you buy parts from any dealer at bricklink or are a dealer yourself...

    Let's try another analogy...

    If you smoke crack once a week and I smoke crack everyday, do you have the right to call me a crackhead..?
  • pvancil27pvancil27 Member Posts: 588

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    pvancil27 said:

    Using your speeding example, very few of us are complaining about someone running 5-10 miles an hour over the speed limit, we are complaining about the guy in a mustang running 135mph (217kpm) in a 40 (64)

    Really? It rather felt otherwise when I was attacked for ending up with 6 copies of #41999 rather than 2, and it was pointed out that 6 was no better than 50.

    Which is why I was so shocked by the response, it felt like I had just said, "oh yea, I was a bit late for work so I had to drive 50mph in a 40mph zone", and the replies were, "oh my gosh, you're evil, how dare you, that is the same as driving 135mph, you should be ashamed of yourself."
    In your case I think a lot of it was complaining about the cops where most people said yea cops suck then getting telling people you got another speeding ticket for going 10 over in a school zone. You said yourself you were not running the LFT fan club so I really dont get why you do or should care.

  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    @LegoFanTexas I think everyone just wants an honest response as to why you acquired 6 #41999's when the limit was 2. This, after your thread about [email protected] banning you from buying online and another instance where a Lego Store manager told you that you were no longer welcome in his store. That's all.

    We can all debate the pros and cons of resellers and "bemoan" the behavior of some resellers, but we are a Lego community and we are all "friends" here and I hope we can all be honest with each other :)
    pillpod
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Northern VirginiaAdministrator, Moderator Posts: 5,238
    edited August 2013

    The fact is that you shouldn't be complaining at all if you buy parts from any dealer at bricklink or are a dealer yourself

    Seriously? Again?
  • rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,290
    edited August 2013
    @crowkillers: you're kind of raging against a position that was primarily created with your own hypothetical. There wasn't a massive smear campaign against resellers sponsored by "The League of Bricklinking for a Better Tomorrow".

    There are some large sellers on Bricklink that do seem to fit the description and probably employ the same tactics of the resellers that are being vilified here. But there are also a lot of smaller operations that are selling used and spare parts.

    Personally, I use Bricklink exclusively for parts, and they are definitely providing me a service by enabling me to buy individual parts, often in large quantities. I was not able to do this from the sets they took off the shelves to part out. That is value-added. I think this is more of a service than a reseller who bought as much Minecraft or 41999 as he could, doing his part to deplete the supply, and profiting without adding value. As doriansdad so eloquently put it: "Open box, remove packing slip, slap on label and collect $100 for passing go."

    Whether you are a BL parts seller or MISB reseller, I don't have a problem if you buy as much clearance stock as a store will allow. The stores are happy to unload the stock and there typically aren't limits. Some share this view and some don't.

    I have a bit of a problem with the shortages of these limited sets that are becoming more and more common. I acknowledge that TLG is partially at fault. But, in nearly all instances, there are quantity restrictions in place. Just because the mechanisms to enforce the limits are not ironclad, it doesn't mean they should be disregarded. In truth, I don't even have that much of a problem with this type of reselling. The pragmatist in me understands that where there is money to be made, people will be there to do exactly that. But that doesn't stop the idealist in me from thinking it's a shame.

    So if I claim to have little to no problem with reselling, what is my gripe? It's the tone of some of the discussions here... on a website built for fans of LEGO. It is the commodotizing of a product that I've always held dear to my heart, and to this day still look upon and see a bit of magic. They aren't widgets or doodads to me or a lot of other people here. I took exception when people were counting down the stock level of 10212 Imperial Shuttle and were popping champagne when it finally went out of stock. Did fans of the Lotus Esprit celebrate when production ceased? Did Beatles fans celebrate when they broke up?
    y2joshYellowcastlecheshirecatLegoFanTexasklatu003madforLEGOstreeker
  • CrowkillersCrowkillers Member Posts: 757

    The fact is that you shouldn't be complaining at all if you buy parts from any dealer at bricklink or are a dealer yourself

    Seriously? Again?
    I'll go on all day about it as long as you people keep moaning about resellers...

    How you can cry foul on one person for reselling sets while you knowingly, willingly, and comfortably buy your parts from resellers is completely ignorant...


  • CrowkillersCrowkillers Member Posts: 757
    edited August 2013
    rocao said:

    There are some large sellers on Bricklink that do seem to fit the description and probably employ the same tactics of the resellers that are being vilified here. But there are also a lot of smaller operations that are selling used and spare parts.

    They "Probably" are..? What do you mean that they "Probably" are..? Where did they get 2 million new parts at..? It isn't hard to look at their store and see what type and quality of parts that they are selling...

    And I bet everyone of you guys here bitching about resellers has bought from them...

    How many of you noble white knights here have got an email notice that a certain part that you were waiting for had been added to a bricklink store and then you went in and bought up every single part in their lot because the seller had them at a price that was too good to pass up even though you bought way more than you needed to buy..? I bet you weren't too concerned with the next guy who could have used them....
  • rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,290
    edited August 2013
    I use "probably" when it appears so, but to my knowledge hasn't been proven as fact. And if you were to show me one seller that did it, I would probably write "and there is at least one that we know of"... that's how I write and it's more correct than just simply stating uncorroborated things as fact.

    But, alas, by fixating on that one word, you're really missing the point of my post.

    Oh, and just to illustrate the importance of the word "probably", I will take your bet that everyone here complaining about resellers has bought from whichever Bricklink sellers you are mentioning. PM me the Bricklink store(s) and I can show you my Bricklink order history. Had you added "probably", I couldn't collect on this bet that I will certainly, most definitely, unequivocally win.
    Dougout
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    edited August 2013

    The fact is that you shouldn't be complaining at all if you buy parts from any dealer at bricklink or are a dealer yourself

    Seriously? Again?
    I'll go on all day about it as long as you people keep moaning about resellers...

    How you can cry foul on one person for reselling sets while you knowingly, willingly, and comfortably buy your parts from resellers is completely ignorant...
    I'm a (small-time) reseller myself, but I certainly don't perceive the hypocrisy here you do. Though I agree with you that there are a handful of people complaining about reselling in general... the crux of this latest flare-up is because of resellers exacerbating a shortage of product (and employing shady methods to circumvent purchase limits... compounding the problem). Most people aren't railing against reselling in general, so much as this one facet of it.

    Yes, if everyone was saying, "Reselling is evil! Now I'm off to buy parts on Bricklink!" then your point would be merited. But that's not what's happening, so you're largely sounding off against a phantom issue.
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Northern VirginiaAdministrator, Moderator Posts: 5,238

    The fact is that you shouldn't be complaining at all if you buy parts from any dealer at bricklink or are a dealer yourself

    Seriously? Again?
    I'll go on all day about it as long as you people keep moaning about resellers...
    I've got $5 that says that's not gonna happen.
    I got a 10 says pass the pepper.
  • pillpodpillpod Member Posts: 273
    Plural for ellipsis... ;)
  • CrowkillersCrowkillers Member Posts: 757
    y2josh said:

    The fact is that you shouldn't be complaining at all if you buy parts from any dealer at bricklink or are a dealer yourself

    Seriously? Again?
    I'll go on all day about it as long as you people keep moaning about resellers...

    How you can cry foul on one person for reselling sets while you knowingly, willingly, and comfortably buy your parts from resellers is completely ignorant...
    I'm a (small-time) reseller myself, but I certainly don't perceive the hypocrisy here you do. Though I agree with you that there are a handful of people complaining about reselling in general... the crux of this latest flare-up is because of resellers exacerbating a shortage of product (and employing shady methods to circumvent purchase limits... compounding the problem). Most people aren't railing against reselling in general, so much as this one facet of it.

    Yes, if everyone was saying, "Reselling is evil! Now I'm off to buy parts on Bricklink!" then your point would be merited. But that's not what's happening, so you're largely sounding off against a phantom issue.

    That's just it, they are not saying anything about it..

    Here is my issue:

    My wife is a seller on bricklink which makes her a reseller because she is reselling parts from new sets for a profit...

    I also resell things, but in a different way than the rest of you do and I occasionally buy sets on a small scale and resell them if I don't need them for any future use or if I recognize a good deal.. Now I don't buy them up in huge numbers, but regardless, if I buy even one set with even the intention of selling it down the road, that makes me no better than the guy who bought 100 of them with the exact intention...

    I don't know any single one of you here and everyone of you may be the most sincere people on this planet, but trying to convince me that it is appropriate to condemn some guy who anticipated a good deal while you buy your parts from a second hand Lego dealer is pathetic...

  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,934

    The fact is that you shouldn't be complaining at all if you buy parts from any dealer at bricklink or are a dealer yourself

    Seriously? Again?
    I'll go on all day about it as long as you people keep moaning about resellers...

    How you can cry foul on one person for reselling sets while you knowingly, willingly, and comfortably buy your parts from resellers is completely ignorant...


    I think most people don't care too much about resellers. They are part of the hobby. What is more galling though is when people break the rules, brag about it, get banned, appeal for sympathy, and it turns out they are still breaking or circumventing every rule they can when it suits them.
    cheshirecat
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    rocao said:

    Actually, the replies were more like "didn't you say that you had stopped speeding altogether since you got a ticket many months ago? and then didn't you tell us that at some point the highway patrol put a speed limiter on your car anyway, to which we all sympathized? so now that you've gone 10 mph over the speed limit, does that mean you in fact have been speeding and in order to do so knowingly circumvented the speed limiter?" :P

    Officer, I swear it was just this one time, really! :)
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Pitfall69 said:

    @LegoFanTexas I think everyone just wants an honest response as to why you acquired 6 #41999's when the limit was 2. This, after your thread about [email protected] banning you from buying online and another instance where a Lego Store manager told you that you were no longer welcome in his store. That's all.

    A few things...

    First, the store manager never said I was unwelcome, not sure where you got that. They love me there (AFAIK) and are always happy to take my money.

    Second, the limit was 2 per order, it is questionable if it was really 2 per person/household because some people placed multiple orders from the same account and all were shipped as far as I have read.

    Finally, as to an honest response as to why I ended up with 6 of them, rather than 2? Because this is what I do for a living and I didn't feel like letting this deal pass. It is very rare that I'd bother to have family order something for me, this is maybe the second time ever I've done that.

    Frankly, I feel there is a difference between doing it a little bit, every once and awhile, and doing it a lot, all of the time. Some people will disagree with that, but that is how I feel.
    Pitfall69tedward
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    rocao said:

    As doriansdad so eloquently put it: "Open box, remove packing slip, slap on label and collect $100 for passing go."

    Regardless of anyone's opinion on the subject, @Doriansdad is completly correct as to the situation.

    I'll point out again that this situation is completely of TLG's making. Resellers had nothing to do with the creation of this situation, so if you want to blame anyone, blame TLG.

    Resellers are just playing the cards that are dealt, no more and no less. Suggesting that they leave money on the table to make random people feel warm and fuzzy... is actually quite insane.
    rocao said:

    They aren't widgets or doodads to me or a lot of other people here.

    No, they aren't... but you know what? They are to TLG... that is something that is often forgotten by many fans. The manufacture is just running a business selling widgets, it is the fans that put the emotions onto them.

    The LEGO fan in me continues to find it an amazing product, I love what can be done with LEGO. Then I stare at a shelf full of LEGO and see a balance sheet of widgets. I'm able to do both at the same time. :)
    rocao said:

    I took exception when people were counting down the stock level of 10212 Imperial Shuttle and were popping champagne when it finally went out of stock. Did fans of the Lotus Esprit celebrate when production ceased? Did Beatles fans celebrate when they broke up?

    The fan in me is sad to see it go, but the widget seller in me is happy to start selling my stashed copies. :)

    TLG can't sell every set forever, so at some point they have to go.
    FollowsClosely
  • rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,290
    edited August 2013

    And I don't care about your bricklink orders or what you bought, the fact that you even have an order history negates any mud that you sling at any reseller here regardless if they bought 6 exclusive sets or 60...

    You should care because you're the one that offered this bet:

    Where did they get 2 million new parts at..? It isn't hard to look at their store and see what type and quality of parts that they are selling...

    And I bet everyone of you guys here bitching about resellers has bought from them..."

    So, you still didn't tell me who "they" are so we can resolve the bet.

    Oh, nevermind, I'll just look myself. [goes to look]
    I'm back. Wow, you're right, it wasn't hard. There are 6 stores worldwide that have 2 million or more new parts. And only one of them is in the USA. So if I can demonstrate that I'm not a hypocrite because I haven't ordered from them, I win, right?

    I must confess though, that I might not qualify for your bet because, even though you seem to be addressing me, I actually didn't sling any mud at a reseller. It's not really surprising that you wouldn't understand my position though, because you don't seem to be processing what anyone is saying.

    Here I was giving you cliff notes to this discussion thinking you were new to it since you didn't seem to grasp the history of the thread. But then I found that you actually had participated previously:

    "Crowkillers
    December 2012
    I didn't read through this entire thread as I am not exactly sure what the point was, but how are people supposed to get sets that are retired if it was not for resellers..? Or do people think that resellers are supposed to sell 5 or even 10 year old sets for what they paid for them...?"

    It appears as though you were just as lazy and willfully ignorant then as you are now, and rather than have a meaningful discourse that progresses by understanding each other's point of view, you prefer to just shout at the wall.
  • HardradaHardrada Member Posts: 439
    I don't understand what Crowkillers finds so surprising about the different perception of set resellers and BL parts resellers. (Which difference might not even be there generally but for the sake of argument let's say it indeed is.) Why couldn't one differentiate between different kinds of reselling and have different opinions on them? I find nothing illogical about that.

    Selling parts has more value added. Parts sellers buy sets and turn them into a different product. I think it's more of a service to the community than sitting on sets for some time is. Of course BL parts sellers are also in it for the money. So what?
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,934
    ^ Haven't you missed out the line where you had previously told the meal seller that you would not buy their meals to resell.

    And that you took your family's details along in case they imposed per person limits.
    YellowcastlecheshirecatmadforLEGOTheCultLeader
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    edited August 2013
    ^^ You also forgot that we don't actually know if there are 50,000 hungry people or just 10,000. All we know is that 20,000 meals have been taken - some by hungry people and some to be stashed away. Its entirely possible that all you're doing in your hypothetical is waiting until the 20,000 hungry people are so hungry they're willing to pay any price to get their food. What a truly nice person you are.

    You also forgot that you're (well not you so much, but forgive me for bundling you all together) are walking around, into the homes of hungry people who have or have not got their meals and saying look, I've got 6 meals and I'm not even hungry. Again what a lovely member of the hungrystan community you are.

    A nicer person would surely put personal gain to one side, and say, there are 50,000 hungry people and 20,000 meals. We either need to prioritise so those that need one most get one or divide them up so we all are less hungry in hungrystan. Wow, that would be a nice thing to do, almost a responsible thing, almost something that would help improve society. But ofcourse, you wouldn't make your money off of hungry people... wait a minute, thats exactly what TLG tried to do with the limit - the limit you chose to bypass.

    I have to say it was a stupid hypothetical but oddly chosen by yourself - it seemingly just makes you look worse than just talking about LEGO!
    caperberrypvancil27pillpodmargotTheCultLeader
  • vitreolumvitreolum RomaniaMember Posts: 1,406
    What many of you completely fail to understand is that this is a job like any other (not necessarily a main job, and may involve both business and pleasure, but it's a job nonetheless) whatever your perception of it.

    You keep bringing morality, empathy, little Timmys and other shit into play, but then why don't you start working for free? Why don't you complain about doctors not treating their patients for free? Why can't you get food for free? Or why don't you go directly to LEGO and tell them to give turn their heads to profit and start spreading Lego to all Little Timmys who can't afford it?

    It's all about the profits and it ever will be so.

    This is getting ridiculous, and bringing words like pirates and robbers and whatever into play is downright lame and offensive.
    LegoFanTexascardgeniusJP3804
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Northern VirginiaAdministrator, Moderator Posts: 5,238
    edited August 2013
    This is fun:

    -Rocao FoodCo told you they could only bring 20,000 meals and asked you to limit yourself to 2

    -You got back in line 3 times, taking an extra 4 meals that may have gone to 4 fans of food, 2 combo fans or 1 scalper

    -You rationalize it by saying you could have gotten in line more times but didn't and that it was Rocao FoodCo's fault for not having Food Security in place and/or not making enough food

    -You previously were allowed to buy right off the boat but were buying too many and lost that access

    -You bemoaned your loss of water taxi rights with the group here and that you had been fully compliant once warned

    -Anyone who sells their corn on the cob or buys a corn on the cob is a hypocrite if they give you grief for selling full meals during a food shortage (per Crow)
    cheshirecatindigobox
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    @LegoFanTexas your scenario is indeed closer to reality and helps to highlight the moral issues involved. So, what happens if precisely 20,000 people show up at the docks? Do you still pursue your aim of using a minimum of effort to profit from the great effort that someone else went to to make food available, especially as you're aware that roxio had the moral intent of selling it at the same price for everyone?

    Or the more realistic and relevant scenario is, what if so many thousands of people turn up you are uncertain if there are 20,000 or more present? Or is that why you only bought 6 meals?

    Of course, what you're really championing is the right of the individual in a capitalist society which we can all do until we are blue in the face. But I question whether Hungrystan is truly capitalist, I think they might be AFOList. I don't know precisely what that word means as I just made it up, but I think it's the question truly at debate here. Morality is not clearly defined by law in Hungrystan, but it is clearly valued more highly than in many other countries. Many people, I would wager the majority of the population, believe that is important to protect.
    cheshirecatLegoFanTexasjasormargotPhonebooth
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    edited August 2013
    I don't think we do fail to understand it. Um doctors - fairly sure they provide a service, as do plumbers and even PC repair people. Most jobs involve providing a service whether that's making something or doing something to help something/someone. I'ld love to know what service is being provided by flipping 41999s or minecrafts in the run up to christmas. Breaking down sets for parts is a service even buying widely available sets and holding onto them for a few years is providing a service - a niche one, but still a service.

    If the only way you can have a job is buy buying up items in limited supply, breaking rules to do so and then selling them to exactly the same people that you prevented from buying in the first place at a steep mark up then I guess that's pretty sad - if it was me I think I would try and find a more meaningful form of employment. Just for my own sanity.

    What I suspect many don't understand is that we don't think its particularly clever - what was this special knowledge that led to you picking up 6? Most people here who wanted 1 got 1 and I'm sure most could have got 6 if we wanted to break the rules. I'd actually be more impressed if you had 100 of them - that would have shown some ingenuity. What perplexes me more is that some of you have openly stated that you could run ToysRUs better than they do, you could run TLG better than they do, yet you still mess around buying 6 copies of a toy that will make you what $1800 yet still call this the golden goose of reselling? To me that seems like playing in the gutter as you should clearly be on at least a 7 figure salary.
    caperberrypillpodmargot
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    vitreolum said:

    What many of you completely fail to understand is that this is a job like any other (not necessarily a main job, and may involve both business and pleasure, but it's a job nonetheless) whatever your perception of it.

    You keep bringing morality, empathy, little Timmys and other shit into play, but then why don't you start working for free? Why don't you complain about doctors not treating their patients for free? Why can't you get food for free? Or why don't you go directly to LEGO and tell them to give turn their heads to profit and start spreading Lego to all Little Timmys who can't afford it?

    It's all about the profits and it ever will be so.

    This is getting ridiculous, and bringing words like pirates and robbers and whatever into play is downright lame and offensive.

    I reselling is merely a job, what does that make Brickset, some sort of company intranet? Are you an AFOL or an AFO$?
  • vitreolumvitreolum RomaniaMember Posts: 1,406
    But this is not about providing a service, it's about making a profit plain and simple. And I'm not talking here about Lego resellers, I'm talking about any business that involves buying and selling. What do you think matters to a seller, making people happy or making a profit? From a seller point of view, buying cheap merch and decreasing the availability at the same time is a winning strategy. Not doing that is simply bad business.

    Of course this in a utopia may seem wrong, but this is how reality works. In this case it just involves more emotion, since it's "preying" on the hobby we all share, then it would if we were to talk about cabbage reselling.
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    ^ no because, most retailers add value through distribution, availability etc. That's exactly why bigger retailers who can add more value through a larger distribution/market are able to buy at a better price. Even the market trader, which is probably the closest approximation to what you suggest, still adds value as they would usually buy from a wholesaler or when heavily discounted in a less popular area and then sell at a higher premium having moved the product to an area where a higher price can be achieved.
  • caperberrycaperberry LondonMember Posts: 2,226
    edited August 2013
    @vitreolum The L in AFOL refers to the product and not the company. I'm interested in what matters to fans, not TLG or resellers be they fans or not. In fandom, emotion is of enormous importance. It's not so much the preying on the hobby that disturbs me as the pissing on it.

    Yup, we are not adult fans of cabbages and are unlikely to discuss that here.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,934
    Of course making a profit is paramount to the businessman.

    But then consider that the businessman is also part of a community and wants to be part of that community. And the community don't mind the profit being made, but does care about the way that the stock is got hold of. Remember that this is the businessman that looks for support in the community when the supply chain cuts him off even though he says he is playing by the rules since being told not to resell items. And the community then finds out he is pushing boundaries to get stock when it suits him. And then brags about it within the community.
  • vitreolumvitreolum RomaniaMember Posts: 1,406
    @CCC I completely agree about bragging and can clearly see where the animosity comes from in this case.

    But what I don't agree with is the reaction against ALL resellers because a number of members felt the need to brag. And this can extend to any seller doing the same business practice in whatever domain. That's not completely fair now, is it?
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,934
    ^ I don't think there is a backlash against all resellers, is there? Everyone knows it goes on. Many people dabble here and there. And there is a thread for it.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    rocao said:

    I took exception when people were counting down the stock level of 10212 Imperial Shuttle and were popping champagne when it finally went out of stock. Did fans of the Lotus Esprit celebrate when production ceased? Did Beatles fans celebrate when they broke up?

    You had me up until this. In all fairness, this was done in the "Predictions on Discontinuing Sets and their Secondary Market Value" thread, which is pretty much as close to a dedicated "reselling" thread as any there was on this forum. Anyone truly adverse to reselling should not peruse that thread without expecting to have some sour taste in their mouth afterwards.

    When the IS was ticking down, I know I wasn't celebrating it's demise. I was celebrating its retirement as we said goodbye (albeit at MRSP) to one of the most impressive and elegant models that Lego has ever produced. I can see the same thing happening with the FB and DS when it happens too, of course, those will be more heavy with a "sheesh, finally" ironic vibe.
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  • CoolsplashCoolsplash Member Posts: 935
    Well said @CCC, as it takes so long to catch up with this thread to try to comment only to see I am not alone with what I want to say :P

    I am a reseller as well a small one to be honest. I do flip for a quick buck, but being part of the community I try to help my brethren out as much as possible as that is what a community should do. In my opinion people who part out sets on BL are helping out a lot of folks to get what they need. Parting out is good as a lot of times it pays you a decent sized profit as well. I mentioned something like 'help each other out and spread the Lego love' the first few days of joining this Forum, but now the trend and things are changing. Its mostly coming down to bragging and flaunting about how lucky a person can get acquiring Lego and how the person is able to override the system or bend it enough. And I know bragging works only one way, as no one would share the story about 'How I helped a fellow Lego lover getting him the Exclusive #41999 without making a dollar on it'.

    Why not keep it friendly always and be willing to help anyone who seeks it? No one wants to loose money, but I can guarantee if we would help each other out no one will loose money. And due to what I been reading up so much, sad to say my interest is falling.

    My 1 and half cent, blaming it on inflation and frustration :)
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