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  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 806
    Well if Vaders TIE is OOP then a UCS Tie in May and a Slave-1 in Sept/Oct would fit perfectly plus that would explain how I got a replacement Tie Windscreen if they are producing them again for the set.
  • DougoutDougout Member Posts: 888
    Hmmm a debatable non-UCS set. Sounds like either the Sandcrawler or the AT-AT. I would put my money on the walker, between the two. I think more people view the Sandcrawler as UCS than they do #10178 , so I would think it would be easier to redo the AT-AT. Plus, it is more iconic. It would be great to see one done in true UCS fashion, no hope for a motorized one however.
  • princedravenprincedraven Essex, UKMember Posts: 3,768
    Legoboy said:

    Re May, 2014. Resellers ought to think about selling one of their non-UCSs come May. It is the remake of a reasonably large non-UCS (debatable) set, but definitely worth it!

    Can't say I am in a rush to sell mine, based upon what they have done with the sail barge, but suppose the 'motorized' element will be cool, and if you say it's worth it..

    Devastator
  • woony2woony2 UKMember Posts: 336
    Legoboy said:

    It is the remake of a reasonably large non-UCS (debatable) set, but definitely worth it!

    If we just go off this sentence for a moment, then the only sets I can think of that people have debated whether they are UCS or not (and ultimately it has been decided that they are not) are;

    #10144 Sand Crawler
    #10178 Motorized AT-AT
    #10123 Cloud City
    and dare I say it #10188 Death Star

    OK it's unlikely to be the Death Star but in line with TLG's current perceived thinking about resellers it would be rather amusing to see them cancel what is probably one of the most hoarded sets of all time to immediately replace it with a bigger and better one. But as I say highly unlikely.

    Sand Crawler is a bit of an odd one as it's a big rectangular block and its not like people have been desperate for it. Although it would be an amazing source of all the various shades of brown.

    AT-AT, its the one most people want but it surely would need to be a very large set like MF or SSD, and then there would be no real need for resellers to sell off their non UCS versions (as @Legoboy has stated) as they would be clearly for different markets just like the system x-wing and UCS x-wing.

    That just leaves Cloud City. Long overdue for a remake and also much anticipated by fans. Only problem is that would mean having DS, Ewok Village and Cloud City all out at the same time. Assuming SSD is going and B-wing will be gone in Europe by then it means no UCS vehicles as R2-D2
    is the only other UCS set.

    Of course there may be other options such as #8097 Slave 1 or some of the larger P/T sets like the gunships etc, but as far as I'm aware no one has ever tried to label them as UCS sets.

    So my conclusion, I don't know, just going from @Legoboy 's quote I'd say Cloud City, but as shown above it would seem an odd choice to sit in the lineup next to the other large playsets.

    If not it's an AT-AT but there is no reason for resellers to sell the others off in a hurry.

    Personally I'd still plump for a standard Tie Fighter.

    As pointed out earlier damn you @Legoboy GRRRRRRR
    :) Must do some work now.
  • princedravenprincedraven Essex, UKMember Posts: 3,768
    woony2 said:

    Sand Crawler is a bit of an odd one as it's a big rectangular block and its not like people have been desperate for it. Although it would be an amazing source of all the various shades of brown.

    10,000 were desperate enough to get it through to review in Cuusoo.
    woony2 said:

    That just leaves Cloud City. Long overdue for a remake and also much anticipated by fans. Only problem is that would mean having DS, Ewok Village and Cloud City all out at the same time. Assuming SSD is going and B-wing will be gone in Europe by then it means no UCS vehicles as R2-D2 is the only other UCS set.

    How about the X-Wing? :-)

  • DiggydoesDiggydoes Cologne/GermanyMember Posts: 1,079
    Not to go off-topic but isn't it time to rename the thread into "rumours regarding the 2014 SW UCS model(s)"?

    Besides that the next set HAS to be eithr Sandcrawler or AT-AT if @legoboy is right!
    I would welcome both :)
    vitreolum
  • mressinmressin Lego City... erm LondonMember Posts: 843
    I was always under the impression that #10188 Death Star is the only model where it's debatable whether it is UCS or not, because while the box does not mention UCS at all, it was implied in Lego promo material that it's supposed to be a UCS model?

    Also, it would be an interesting strategy of TLG. So, I'm going out on a leg here and say I believe it's #10188. :)
  • vitreolumvitreolum RomaniaMember Posts: 1,406
    I don't consider #10188 (or Ewok Village for that matter) an UCS model, it's more of a playset, as opposed to the other UCS that are purely display pieces with no playability whatsoever.
    TheLoneTensor
  • cavegodcavegod Member Posts: 806
    how would a ucs sandcrawler go down with cuusoo fans?
  • DiggydoesDiggydoes Cologne/GermanyMember Posts: 1,079
    cavegod said:

    how would a ucs sandcrawler go down with cuusoo fans?

    I guess the same way as with the Western-modular ;)
    Btw,since i'm almost finished tracking down the pieces for @cavegod 's AT-AT i would prefer the UCS to be the Sandcrawler,of course with a couple of Jawas :)

  • woony2woony2 UKMember Posts: 336
    @princedraven totally forgot about the x-wing, my bad.
    10,000 likes on cuusoo doesn't equal 10,000 sales of a very expensive set.
    FollowsClosely
  • woony2woony2 UKMember Posts: 336
    ^ missed the edit time. (totally forgot about the x-wing) even though I mentioned it in the same text. DOH!
    princedraven
  • epyon396epyon396 Member Posts: 268
    edited October 2013
    I'm open to any new UCS except for a Tie Fighter rehash. I'd be so disappointed. I don't care how long it's been.
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Manitoba CanadaMember Posts: 1,850
    ^ It hasn't been ;-)
    mressin
  • princedravenprincedraven Essex, UKMember Posts: 3,768
    edited October 2013
    @woony2 I do agree, and I don't think 10,000 sales would have been easy based upon the Cuusoo model, but a modest improvement over the old model, chuck in a motor and some cool figs and I would bet it would well outsell the B-Wing fairly easy.
    woony2
  • cynthilinacynthilina Member Posts: 188
    Its hard to say what UCS would be desierable. I can speculate as much as everyone else but in the end who expected it to be the B-wing? Im just going to wait until word from Lego is put out and make my call then. Im an avid SW collector and Lego collector, also a bit OCD about completing things so I will likely get whatever it is.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    Just like the current UCS is Red Five's (Luke's) X-Wing, here's hoping it's Maarek Stele's TIE fighter.
  • CaptAPJTCaptAPJT Member Posts: 223
    If the choice is between a Death Star, cloud city, AT-AT and Sandcrawler then my money would be firmly on the AT-AT. Maybe we could see a Death Star like #10143, but I don't see it being as interesting as #10143. Cloud city would be great, but it has to be a giant play set like the Ewok Village which doesn't really fit with being a UCS. Sandcrawler is possible with the support it gained on CUUSOO but having that fail to pass the review (ok for licensing reasons) then bringing out their own version would really take the biscuit, plus for a display piece it's not massively exciting, a large brown brick extensively. So AT-AT is the remaining candidate and who (aside from Cavegod and those who have followed his instructions) wouldn't want a huge AT-AT.
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    tensor said:

    Just like the current UCS is Red Five's (Luke's) X-Wing, here's hoping it's Maarek Stele's TIE fighter.

    They would have to do that only if it were a new TIE advanced or TIE interceptor. :)
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    A UCS TIE Interceptor would be nice, but more people would know the TIE Fighter.

    That being said, they indeed did do the TIE Interceptor in UCS trim, so a Fighter would make more sense now.

    My money is still on Slave 1...
  • sschmotzsschmotz Member Posts: 25
    I would like to see a number of UCS sets but most of all the AT-AT, like many others. If TLG would do this I think it would become one of the most popular UCS sets because it's so iconic and a huge boost in Lego PR, esp. since the recent B-Wing wasn't popular and the Red Five X Wing was viewed by many as a remake.
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,012
    If it is UCS AT-AT, I hope they do it proud with minifig scale sizing and high accuracy - I would want it to compare well with Cavegod's version. At what price would that be though? At least in minifig scale you have the chance of AFOLs displaying it and kids (albeit rich ones) buying it to play with. That's got to boost the potential market.
    FollowsClosely
  • Steve_J_OMSteve_J_OM Cork, IrelandMember Posts: 961

    My money is still on Slave 1...

    The Slave I was hinted at a few pages back, but that seems at odds with @Legoboy's last cryptic message. I don't think I ever saw #8097 being touted as a UCS...
  • hoyatableshoyatables Northern Virginia, USAMember Posts: 873
    I remember a thread debating what constituted a UCS set. I think this was it:
    http://www.bricksetforum.com/discussion/458/star-wars-ucs-sets/p1

    Note that on LEGO's "10 years of 'ultimate' Star Wars sets" Cloud City, Sandcrawler, and motorized AT-AT were all included :).

    Also of note in this thread: DrDave saying that back at 2011 Steam a group of people requested that they LEGO designers consider a UCS X-Wing remake :).

    Anyway, I think that we're all on the right track. Agree that I don't see it likely that LEGO goes with the Cloud City set given that Ewok Village just came out and Jabba's Palace/Rancor Pit is still out there, but then again maybe the recent focus on playsets (also add Palpatine's Arrest and Due on Geonosis to the smaller side of that focus) means that Cloud City is an option. With DS soon to retire (we think) it does make sense that LEGO would be looking for the next "big" playset that kids see and just have to have.

    I also don't think Sandcrawler is likely. Just doesn't seem interesting enough.

    So that leaves us with AT-AT, which makes the most sense. None is currently on the market now and they have only done system versions in the past so this would be a new offering. My guess is that they would keep the motorization but increase the size to allow for an actual interior (and larger cockpit).

    I'll probably pass on the AT-AT. Other than the Falcon, UCS sets just don't do it for me. I would much rather have Cloud City. I don't have the room (or desire) for display pieces. I would much rather "play."
  • HarryPotterLoverHarryPotterLover Member Posts: 238
    The problem is people would react to a new TF like they did the X-Wing. Plus there would be way to many black pieces (We have Orthanc for that thank you) and Vadars TIE Advanced is only a few years old still (2009)

    LEGO actually has been giving fan wishes lately though! First the Ewok Village and now Nightwing and Batgirl for DC Superheroes in 2014! *gazes*

    They really do need to keep popularity in mind- B-Wing and Obi Wans Starfighter are proof of that

    Things such as Sandcrawler, or ATAT are great but have been done. And things that havent like the A-Wing (still would love!!!) and maybe even one of the Pod Racers (you never know!) would be stretching the limits a bit
  • BastaBasta Australia Member Posts: 1,259
    edited October 2013
    I'm hoping for an AT-AT, I would prefer it not to be (and assume it wont be) motorized as that just adds cost and would most likely mean less elements used (Smaller size overall) .

    If @Legoboy comment is correct then the AT-AT has to be the front runner, doesn't it?
    woony2 said:

    ^ AT-AT, its the one most people want but it surely would need to be a very large set like MF or SSD, and then there would be no real need for resellers to sell off their non UCS versions (as @Legoboy has stated) as they would be clearly for different markets just like the system x-wing and UCS x-wing.

    Maybe, but as #10178 is selling for over $400 NIB the new UCS would need to be priced at probably well over $600. If a new UCS version only cost $400 who would buy #10178 at a higher price?
  • CaptAPJTCaptAPJT Member Posts: 223
    edited October 2013
    Basta said:


    Maybe, but as #10178 is selling for over $400 NIB the new UCS would need to be priced at probably well over $600. If a new UCS version only cost $400 who would buy #10178 at a higher price?

    Lego isn't selling 10178 NIB for $400, they sold it for $130! So what do they care how much others are selling it for, they'll dictate their own price for any new set and re-sellers might have to re-think. Perhaps that's the reason for the advice to off load.

    red5
  • BastaBasta Australia Member Posts: 1,259
    edited October 2013
    CaptAPJT said:

    Basta said:


    Maybe, but as #10178 is selling for over $400 NIB the new UCS would need to be priced at probably well over $600. If a new UCS version only cost $400 who would buy #10178 at a higher price?

    Lego isn't selling 10178 NIB for $400, they sold it for $130! So what do they care how much others are selling it for, they'll dictate their own price for any new set and re-sellers might have to re-think. Perhaps that's the reason for the advice to off load.

    I wasn't suggesting TLG has to price the set to accommodate people selling older sets. I was responding to @woony2 comment about a new AT-AT not affecting the current price of the old AT-AT. For it not to, TLG would have to make a $600+ set IMO. If a new set is around the $400 range (or less) I see the older set taking a hit.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    Last year we didn't get rumors and confirmation until January for the May release. So thanks to @Legoboy for the early preview party =)
  • rancorbaitrancorbait Manitoba CanadaMember Posts: 1,850
    Yeah, thanks @Legoboy, the suspense is killing me ;-)
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,012
    If it is the AT-AT, anything less than a $600/£400/500 Euros pricepoint and I would think that it would end up being somewhere midway between Cavegod's and the current system ones rather than a true minifig scale. That would be a bit of a disappointment for me. I'm hoping for at least as many pieces as #10179, or that piece count is reduced by the inclusion of some new specialised pieces rather than sacrificing size and detail.
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,012

    Last year we didn't get rumors and confirmation until January for the May release. So thanks to @Legoboy for the early preview party =)

    What preview? He's told us nowt really. Just lit the touchpaper and stood back. :)

  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,921
    Personally, I don't know how many UCS Star Wars sets would greatly benefit from true minifigure scale. The Millennium Falcon is pretty unique in that it is the site of several important interior scenes as well as a ship instantly recognizable from the shape and size of its exterior. The smuggling compartments, the cockpit, the laser turrets, the Dejarik table, the hyperdrive... there are so many parts of its interior that play conspicuous roles in the series. With a lot of other larger vessels that host interior scenes, we might only see one or two rooms of the ship's interior in the actual movies, and they are not necessarily as memorable as the scenes aboard the Falcon.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002

    If it is the AT-AT, anything less than a $600/£400/500 Euros pricepoint and I would think that it would end up being somewhere midway between Cavegod's and the current system ones rather than a true minifig scale.

    Though I don't know the measurements on cavegod's AT-AT, it LOOKS to be quite a bit larger than minifig scale, so something midway between his and the current System set may actually BE at minifig scale.
  • graphitegraphite USMember Posts: 3,270
    ^ I'd say Cavegod's is pretty close to minifig scale. The head is big enough that it could hold (if the inside was hollow) 2 drivers, an officer standing and 2-3 controllers behind to the sides. Also based on the size of the feet a minifig would be just at or slightly under the first lip as Luke is in this picture.

    image
  • bellybutton290bellybutton290 Member Posts: 453
    edited October 2013
    I believe Cavegod in another thread some while ago advised me his AT-AT was somewhat larger than Minifig scale and that minifig scale or close to it was achievable with far less pieces than his amazing creation. I agree with others that the AT-AT would need to be around a minimum of 4000 pieces to make it worthwhile and it would need to be as close to minifig scale as possible with the piece count. Given the relativly iconic status of the AT-AT I think TLG would push the boat out and produce a set close to the MF's Piece count and price point despite the fact it has been some years since they have released something over 3.5k. I'd be happy with any tie variant, the AT-AT or slave 1 to be released personally and I have said a few times before that I am still suprised none of these have been.
  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639

    Last year we didn't get rumors and confirmation until January for the May release. So thanks to @Legoboy for the early preview party =)

    What preview? He's told us nowt really. Just lit the touchpaper and stood back. :)

    Well he hinted at the rumors and now everyone is waiting for the confirmation. Or at least most of everyone =)
  • CaptAPJTCaptAPJT Member Posts: 223

    Last year we didn't get rumors and confirmation until January for the May release. So thanks to @Legoboy for the early preview party =)

    What preview? He's told us nowt really. Just lit the touchpaper and stood back. :)

    Well he hinted at the rumors and now everyone is waiting for the confirmation. Or at least most of everyone =)
    We could be waiting sometime, we normally get the designer video a couple of months prior to release. So with a May 5th release that means 4-5months until it's officially confirmed. Plenty of time to save up!
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    I would have to agree with the above posts... If any UCS set is likely to get the 4K+ part treatment, a UCS AT-AT makes the most sense.

    A UCS Slave 1 shouldn't require that many parts, 2K is probably enough for that ship.

    A UCS Sandcrawler for sure would need that many parts, but I don't see it happening, it is a brown box and unless they do all the cool interior stuff, lights, motors, of the Cuusoo model, it is just a brown box.

    Cloud City for sure could be a 4K part set, but that isn't UCS, that is a play set. Still needs to be done of course.

    UCS TIE Fighter? Yea, that needs to be done, I would expect it would be in the 1.2K part range for $149 however...
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    And sometimes even sooner we get an unintended background glimpse in another image - Haunted House, Orthanc, etc.
  • BrewBrew New Mexico (It's an actual state in the US)Member Posts: 182
    edited October 2013
    Legoboy said:

    Re May, 2014. Resellers ought to think about selling one of their non-UCSs come May. It is the remake of a reasonably large non-UCS (debatable) set, but definitely worth it!

    I am interpreting this statement as the next UCS may also be debated as to whether it is UCS, "but definitely worth it!"

    This leads me to conclude a remake of Cloud City. Lego has been favoring play sets lately and they have been doing really well apparently. I think an early DS replacement with about the same price point is what's coming. Companies always try to repeat excellent selling products (re DS), so another big play set with 15-20 Minifigs makes sense to me.

    As far as an AT-AT, it would need to be considerably smaller that Cavegods to work as a commercial product. I've built Cavegods and while it is awesome, the size is not for the masses. It's way too unstable and many people would get extremely frustrated assembling it. I think it's inherent to the actual vehicle so different building techniques would not fix that.

    That's my 2 cents...
  • Wil348Wil348 Member Posts: 240
    Cloud City seems likely to me. There have been rumours of one over the past year if I recall correctly.
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    I just don't see LEGO releasing another large, $200+ playset so soon after Ewok Village.
    FollowsCloselyvitreolum
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002

    A UCS Slave 1 shouldn't require that many parts, 2K is probably enough for that ship.

    Are we talking minifig scale on that one? Not that it necessarily needs to be, but I would guess at minifig scale you'd be pushing closer to 3K, especially given what I assume would be the complexity of the wing mechanism and the necessity for a fairly detailed cockpit.
  • bellybutton290bellybutton290 Member Posts: 453
    binaryeye said:

    I just don't see LEGO releasing another large, $200+ playset so soon after Ewok Village.

    Agreed it has literally just come out. what we could see in 2014 is large ship in May and play set in sep just like this year.
  • mressinmressin Lego City... erm LondonMember Posts: 843

    Cloud City for sure could be a 4K part set, but that isn't UCS, that is a play set. Still needs to be done of course.

    Cloud City doesn't necessarily have to be a playset. It might work great as a model. Lots of rounded shapes for the body, and greebles on top.
    FollowsClosely
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    As a model cloud city would sell like a dog compared to play sets and iconic small ships. I think Lego has learned from things like 10221, bwing, star fighter, among others. I expect more of the SW exclusives to be play sets going forward, like DS and EW. Leaves room for a ton of minifigs, and that's what sells sets

    If they ever do sand crawler i expect it to be an open up play set with lots of droids and jawas rather than a detailed model with motors Same with cloud city and even the at at.

    I think those hoping for these 4000, 5000, and 6000 piece vehicle sets are dreaming. Those would price themselves out of the market to all but the niche. A slave one is likely to be in the 2000 piece range. 3000 tops for an at at, and that's probably pushing it. Id bet more like 2500. Large lego set piece counts have been dropping for several years now. Hard to see that changing. With the exception of whatever large play set replaces 10188, 2000 pieces is the Max range. 3000 or a tad more on the DS replacement, if that

    I suspect 10221 was supposed to replace 10188 at the $400 price point but then 10188 probably consistently outsold 10221 so they decided to keep it around until they came up with another flagship replacement set. I don't see any way whatever that is isn't a play set with 15-20 minifigs
  • BastaBasta Australia Member Posts: 1,259
    ^ a Sand Crawler would give the best of both worlds. It's a vehicle which fits in with most previous UCS sets and could open up to be a play set as well.
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    ^ and is also pretty darn boring as heck, looking at it from a kid's point of view.

    I'll post my guesses for 2014, based on nothing but the speculation we've all read:
    May 2014 - AT-AT. something in the 1500-2000 piece range. interior cockpit and maybe a crew compartment in the back. driver, veers, luke, some snow troopers, etc.
    Fall 2014 -- Cloud City or Cantina Playset to replace the finally retiring Death Star.
    Johnnyfinlandiabellybutton290
  • bellybutton290bellybutton290 Member Posts: 453
    ^my thoughts exactly. We saw that same release pattern this year. I hope the AT-AT really is a nice big set and replaces SSD for the big price point/pieces slot. 2000 pieces would not be worth anyones time in my opinion seeing as system sets are around 1000.
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