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Modular Buildings, to pass on or collect?
With the new Pet shop release, it leads me to believe either the Grand Emporium or the Fire Brigade will be discontinued soon. I was in my Dark Ages when the Cafe Corner and Green Grocer were released, but would see the other two on display and while I recognized them as beautiful models, I had no need for them (Being a castle/pirate and random good set collector). It wasn't till I realized these all could be combined to make an amazing street that I saw the value in these sets.
After this realization I debated getting the Grand Emporium and Fire Brigade, and decided not to because it will be very difficult to muster 6+ bills to get each of the original two sets(I will most definitely at some point need all the Modular sets). Well now that the pet shop is released I'm afraid on of the others will be discontinued the prices will sky rocket as their predecessors have, making it even more difficult to collect the modular buildings at a later date.
So my question is, should I pass on this theme as a whole, or jump in right now and start relocating my assets to get the three sets that are still out. How many people out here are collecting them and how many pass them up based on price or lack of interest? Again I don't have many city sets, (currently the only city sets I have that are complete and constructed are the City Small Car (3177), and Camper (7639)). But then again, it would be an excellent display for many Collectible Minifigures, which I collect avidly.
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Attached are 2 pics of a Town Plan scale set that someone commissioned from me, using the Town Plan accessories as well as building scale. IMO, these were fun to build... didn't take too long... and weren't as expensive as new large sets are today. But that's my biased opinion.
However, I do have one other complaint about all the new sets.... too much gimmickry. All the old sets were just build up... now we have the SNOT techniquie in a dozen different variations, and a lot of building gimmicks that makes building without instructions totally impossible. You have to be spoon fed every step of the way in building these elaborate and large structures. And unfortunately... the end results have an unfortunately resemblance to the buildings you would see on the Disneyworld Main Street, rather than the small town Main Street...
Just my (biased) opinion....
If you're going to start now, though, you should get the Fire Brigade, since that was the first to be released, and (I assume) is likely to be discontinued soon.
Market Street has some interesting build techniques and I like the color scheme, but on the whole, it isn't up to snuff with the rest of the line. The roof looks unfinished, and the bizarre looking single story side market just doesn't fit in with the row of modulars at all. The final nail in the coffin is that it had an even shorter production run than it's counterparts, so it's aftermarket price is further out of proportion.
Here's Jamie talking about Pet Shop, in 2 parts :
Overall, Modulars have become my favourite 'theme'. Coming from an inveterate LEGO Star Wars fan and collector, that's some admission !!
I think they are fantastic sets, and the longer it went on without me buying them, the more I think I'll end up regretting it later down the line.
Jamie Berard and I have traded Emails in the past (I didn't know it was him talking on the videos, since I didn't see his name on Youtube, plus I never met him in person...) but he did buy my first LEGO CD (1949-80) 2 years ago.... and he's a brilliant builder...
You specifically excluded price to piece ratio from your assessment of them being overpriced, but to me, that's far and away the most pertinent measure. Factors not intrinsic to the bricks, such as third party licensing and packaging (Architecture series) would constitute examples where sets become overpriced relative to sets without those features. Intrinsically, I could understand the argument that the increased specialization of parts translates to a higher overall price to piece ratio, as well. But I just don't follow the logic that a change in scale which necessitates more parts is equivalent to overpricing.
The point I was trying to make was the back in the Town Plan era you got more buildings for your money. Today each building is very pricey.... back then you practically got an entire town for the cost of a single building today. Just bad choice of words.
But as you can see with my Super Town Plan example... you can still get a lot of details with a smaller scale. But once you get to the micro scale, the amount of details diminishes quite a bit further, and there's little room for fancy building.
I've always been a fan of the Town Plan system... not just because I grew up with it, but also I like the very high quality (and very expensive and collectible today) 1:87 vehicles and other accessories that gave it a more realistic look than much of the LEGO of today. I dislike the conical and spherical trees of today... but find the larger use of "greenery canopy" MOC trees very nicely done. And I dislike many of the modern LEGO cars made for the minifigs as looking too "cartoonish"... although I do like the newer LEGO trains very much.
I also have one pet peeve that is common today... that notch of missing plastic in the macaroni bricks.... I hate it... and that notch is found in so many specialized parts of today. It seems that nearly every new part made today "has to be able to attach to a baseplate".... like the macaroni bricks.... and therefore has that notch of missing plastic.
I guess I'm just from the "old school" era.... ;-)
I agree that there is a pleasantry with simpler models, and affordability is just one factor contributing to it, but I also assert that the greater detail afforded by the larger scale has allowed much more variety, and with it the longevity and continued success of LEGO models.
Also, since you did mention micro scale, if you haven't seen this previously, I present to you Matthew Raehl masterpiece of micro scale:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthew_raehl/5562132990/in/photostream/
The thing I dont like about the modulars (and the reason I havent built them yet) is that everyones city ends up looking the same, like some compulsory street.
Also, why such a gap between the 'modular' street and the rest of the city? I'd love to see a station in this style, or a town house - basically something which isnt terraced.
But aside from that, you dont want to miss out on them, they're things of beauty.
Personally, I love the entire line (Market Street excluded since it's neither part of the official line nor up to snuff with the other sets) and have at least one of each. I'm really debating how many of the Pet Shop to get. That town house included with it really opens up the possibility of an entire residential street of a dozen of those models and the pet shop itself can be modified for many other purposes. I would still like to see a police station, city hall, hotel (an actual hotel, not just the sign for one), bank, corner post office, library and numerous other shops like a barber, corner drug store, butcher, baker (no candlestick maker) and corner pub.
I see they have the 1x2x2 (flat) windows... a variation of the old 1x2x2 classic window... and the 1x2x3 (flat) windows, which are the same scale as the old 1x2x3 (right or left) classic door. Because I have several thousand classic LEGO windows, and over 500 doors, some of the door handles have broken off, and it can be used just like the 1x6x3 Panorama window... the first image below shows a classic door, a panorama window and a classic door with broken off handle in the tobacco shop. This yellow building with blue mansard roof is reminiscent of what you would find in Paris.
The 2nd image (inspired by Louis Sullivan's Carson Pirie Scott building in Chicago) is one I built because I was intrigued with the curved and straight railing type fence pieces, and how closely they resemble windows, when used correctly. I also used some of those 4x4 corner bricks (in white)... although now we have the wide macaroni bricks to show the same curve. And yes.... I used the unused background parts of LEGO stickers... cut them into little rectangles... and stuck them onto the building to hide all those "missing notches" that macaroni and other curved bricks have. I like the sculptural effect that this curved building has, and the hiding of the notches improves the appearance.
The 3rd image takes those same railing fence pieces, and along with some of those (now rare and pricey) Belville "gingerbread" arches... made a Victorian Gazebo with them. This time I didn't use any of the sticker parts to hide the "notches". I sent this image to Jamie Berard 2 years ago (after he ordered my LEGO Sets/Parts Collectors Guide on CD)... and he really liked it... but said that his team of designers were NOT allowed to mix in Belville parts with their designs. I do believe that this restriction has since been lifted... but wouldn't this make a nice addition in a park adjacent to the Victorian row of designer models?? All it needs is some minifigs, trees... and maybe a minifig brass band! :-)
For the sellers on Bricklink... this Gazebo would be a parting out dream... 32 blue 2x2 convex corner slopes (45 degree)... 16 blue 2x2 concave corner slopes (45 degree), 8 white curve railing fence pieces, and 4 white Belville arches... all pricey parts in Bricklink at the moment...
P.S. Besides being a LEGO Historian... I am also an architecture nut... with over 150 books in my library.
Now if they could only make those headlight bricks with the back AND front as square openings...
I wouldn't worry too much about the retired sets. Aftermarket prices increase with time, but not as much as when a popular set retires. Just get in on the lineup before it progresses even more than it has now.
I have all 5 sets in my collection. I passed on the Market Street originally because I didn't think that it belonged with the other 2 building.... I was wrong. So instead, I like so many others went back and purchased the set... piece by piece on Bricklink. Unfortunately you can't do that now since certain rare pieces are going for $10/brick.
If your argument may be that you do not have the funds, then I would purchase the remaining sets for resale because I guarantee that you will get your money back and then some. You can always change your mind from selling it new, to building it and then selling it used at more than what you paid for.
If you believe that by purchasing the non-retired sets would cause you to buy the retired sets, then you must have some disposable income, considering the retired sets are ranging between $400-$1000+.
These sets are NOT overpriced. Most of these sets are constructed of rare bricks and colors. They provide a very fun building experience that is rivaled by few sets. These sets are not hollow, but are complete with interiors and with the latter sets being completely furnished.
My biggest regret like most people here is not buying more than one of these sets. If you bought the Cafe Corner, you would know that LEGO literally encourages you to buy 2,3 or 6 of them, to build yourself a skyscraper.... Don't believe me, check out the instructions for the set. Had you been insane enough to do that, you would now be considered one smart LEGO collector. I recommended to so many of my LEGO friends to buy these sets, but many of them thought they to be too expensive. I wished I had listened to myself and bought more of them.
By all means, if you do not like the set, don't buy them. But if you do, then do not hesitate.
Also, I'm still holding out hope that years from now, LEGO will re-release the retired sets (they've done that will other themes). Even though that may mean, the sets that I own will be devalued, I wouldn't want to deprive others of this wonderful building experience.
I remember buying a 386 Ambulance Helicopter set back in the 1970s... only because it had 2 45 degree white concave corner slopes. Then over 30 years later these same parts were reintroduced in the Shrieking Shack Harry Potter Set.
These modular sets also have eye appeal, which helps in their increasing value... but I'm always careful of new items as investments.... one has only to look at the very collectible Princess Diana Beanie Babies.... and their once high demand.
But I will agree that LEGO is in a different league as other collectibles... but I see all the hype of the new series of Minifigs... being cranked out by TLG by the zillions... and wonder... hmmmm will that bubble burst at some point?
seem to be about £190 - which is a LOT, don't get me wrong, but perhaps doable.
So my advice is to buy now, for sure! There's a lot more pleasure in a long, intricate build then 10 vehicles or whatever.
My big dilemma is whether to take a gamble and invest in a couple of firebrigades for resell later...I don't have heaps of spare cash, but I could sit it out for around 6 months or so...perhaps....but in reality I want to spend that money on sets I can play with now!! (I just built the pig farmer, and so now of course I need a farm!)
I can at least vouch for the Grand Emporium you need to get it and trust me I do not buy anything that can't fit into my castle theme so this means alot for me to endorse the modular sets.
On a separate note, I was checking Bricklink for prices on the retired sets, and noticed the Pet Shop is up now, with two of the sellers being in USA. I guess that means its starting to hit the shelves and times running out!!
I built Market Street via Bricklink so I'm well aware of the difficulties. On a positive note, having completed that project has given me an appreciation for those people who create their own creations from bricks sourced through Bricklink or Pick a Brick.
the summer catalogue should be available this week, they were still waiting for their delivery.
As to Green Grocer, Cafe Corner and Market Street, I missed those as I honestly didn't care... and Cafe Corner would or could be the only one I'd regret and pine for some days. Such is life. I do have other themes I'm "gunning" for to collect and I'll be looking to see what I can afford in the long term.
Yes. I definitely think that the current price for CMF is higher than their intrinsic worth, therefore we have a classic bubble on hand. It will burst at some point. However, I think the S1 and even S2 figures, on the other hand, are not overvalued and were not overvalued during the original sale run. Since S1 and S2 saw shorter manufacturing runs, the figures are more rare. Also being the first sets of its kind provide the added value we see with such objects like a first edition book. When we got to S3, the levels of production increased making the items less rare. Pricing increased as well making purchase less compelling. If you're looking at CMFs as an investment, I don't think they really are anymore.
Now, I generally buy LEGO not as an investment but because I like it. That said, I do like getting a good value for my money. With regards to Modular Buildings, these truly are a good value to buy on the primary market (i.e. normal retail of current sets, not Bricklink, Ebay, or the likes), as an enthusiast and as an investor. The models are beautiful and they impress AFOLs and the general public alike. They are filled with interesting building techniques and cute details. They are very satisfying to build. As a set, they merit being valued highly. Now, to add icing on the cake, if you look at the parts that make the whole, you then see the real steal that Modular Building are. With US prices, the building tend to be under 7 cents per piece. Compare that to the price per piece on your favorite sets. We're on the low end here. I don't see sets going for less than 6 cents per piece and often times they go for 10 or 11 cents. Your bucket of bricks tends to be at the 7 cent level, but a bucket of bricks doesn't have as a nice part selection as the modular houses do. So even if you were to buy the sets for new bricks, throwing away all the packaging and instructions and parting the whole thing out for MOCs, I still think it would be a good value.
Oh, and finally, if you're collecting it, they tend to only come out with one a year, so that's only 6 cents a day coming out of your wallet to stay up to date. (It's a different story if you're bent on getting missed sets of course, but you don't need to. Get the stuff that is out now.)
All of the official modulars released so far, not including the pet shop WHICH IS RELEASED TODAY!!!!! It's not on [email protected] yet though.....