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  • LegobrandonCPLegobrandonCP CanadaMember Posts: 1,918
    edited August 2012
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  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 10,228
    alldarker said:

    High shipping price so eBay's selling eBay fees can be circumvented. And as eBay states it: it's against eBay rules to provide unclear or misleading shipping information or to charge unreasonable fees for shipping and related services.
    Strange to see people are actually bidding on this item. This should be reported.

    How come someone has not reported the item then? They even have a link IN the auction to report an item.
    If a seller is doing this, then they should be reported
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    All you have to do to get a lot of positive feedback without actually selling is to have your "friends" create multiple accounts and "buy" the items and then cancel the transactions. Even if the sale doesn't go through, you can still be able the leave feedback.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    You know, the simple solution to killing all this fraud? PayPal should do what Amazon does... For new accounts without SELLING history (buying is meaningless), but selling history with money changing hands...

    Hold the money for 30 days to ensure that the item is really shipped and the customer is happy.

    If you open a new selling account on Amazon and go to town selling tons of expensive Lego, Amazon won't give you a dime of it until they see the items shipped and customers happy. They'll normally do a 30 day review, but depending on the value of the items and other factors, they reserve the right to do a 90 day review.

    Fraud still happens, I still have to file a AtoZ claim about every other month from someone who doesn't ship the item (and amazingly can't provide a tracking number), but at least Amazon is usually not out the money (they always pay me back, 100% of the time, without a fuss or complex claims, takes three clicks of the mouse).

    Of course, I can already hear the moans, "but I'm selling on eBay because I NEED the money!".

    Yea, well, sell on Craigslist then if you need cash today and have no history with PayPal. :)

    PS. Just yesterday I sold something on Bricklink, buyer sent me a payment from an unverified PayPal account with no shipping address attached. I sometimes get unverified accounts and for small dollar items, don't worry about it, but this was over $100 and not only was the account unverified, there was no shipping address at all.

    I refunded the money and asked the customer to update their PayPal account to confirmed, attach a shipping address, and we could go forward. They have 21 positive feedback on Bricklink, all in the past month, Bricklink account was created June 21st (of this year), lots of quick buying! Might be a faked account, might be just 21 accounts with lots of round robin feedback. I guess we'll find out, but I'm not taking that kinda payment or risk. :)
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    I wouldn't either. I thought maybe you cancelled the order on them because they asked you for a box ;)
  • RennyRenny USAMember Posts: 1,145
    A sudden surge in Bricklink feedback doesn't necessarily mean fraud. When I am purchasing parts for a project I can have upwards of 20 small orders within a week or two. Not having a confirmed shipping address tied to a Paypal account on the other hand? That's definitely fishy.

    I've actually recently bought 2 high priced items on Amazon. I honestly didn't think I would find retired sets on there cheaper than on BrickLink or ebay but shopping on Amazon provides a great sense of security to me for reasons LegoFanTexas has mentioned. They also limit the amount a seller can charge for shipping which is fantastic.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Pitfall69 said:

    I wouldn't either. I thought maybe you cancelled the order on them because they asked you for a box ;)

    Funny, very funny... :)
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Renny said:

    A sudden surge in Bricklink feedback doesn't necessarily mean fraud. When I am purchasing parts for a project I can have upwards of 20 small orders within a week or two. Not having a confirmed shipping address tied to a Paypal account on the other hand? That's definitely fishy.

    That is true, and it doesn't bother me in that regard, but they didn't just have an unconfirmed address, there was no address what-so-ever...

    I have never seen that before, or at least if I have, it has been so long I don't remember. :)

    To have an unverified account with no address even attached to it?

    You know, it could be fine, if the buyer gets back to me and fixes it, I'm happy to work with them.

    $1 says they'll never contact me again.
  • RennyRenny USAMember Posts: 1,145
    Yeah that is really odd. Makes you wonder if the 20 other sellers just went off of the Bricklink address or just didn't care? There is a super remote chance that the buyer completed all transactions with a payment method other than Paypal but that is really giving him/her the benefit of the doubt. Either way, being cautious (especially with $100+ sale) is the best thing.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002
    I didn't even think you could actually have a PayPal account with no address at all.
  • hoyatableshoyatables Northern Virginia, USAMember Posts: 873

    You know, the simple solution to killing all this fraud? PayPal should do what Amazon does... For new accounts without SELLING history (buying is meaningless), but selling history with money changing hands...

    Paypal does this. still waiting for them to "release" my funds from my recent Market Street sale.
  • RennyRenny USAMember Posts: 1,145
    LOL....oh man that's a riot ;) Reminds me of another crappy auction I saw. I think it was a 2x3 plate with different colored round studs on it and they called it "Lego Cupcakes" or something.

  • m4ttym4tty Member Posts: 54
    would anyone know why people pay/sell the death star on ebay for so much around 379.00 when you can buy them brand new on the lego web site for £274.99 ??
  • roxioroxio UKMember Posts: 1,365
    ^because they can
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,923
    Renny said:

    LOL....oh man that's a riot ;) Reminds me of another crappy auction I saw. I think it was a 2x3 plate with different colored round studs on it and they called it "Lego Cupcakes" or something.

    Isn't that part of one of the Friends sets though? I'm sure I've seen a 2x2 or 2x3 plate with round plates on top like that.
  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,834
    would anyone know why people pay/sell the death star on ebay for so much around 379.00 when you can buy them brand new on the lego web site for £274.99 ??
    It is possible that their buyer will be living in a country whereby it is either even more expensive to buy on home soil than it is abroad or their country doesn't sell it at all.
  • RennyRenny USAMember Posts: 1,145
    CCC said:

    Renny said:

    LOL....oh man that's a riot ;) Reminds me of another crappy auction I saw. I think it was a 2x3 plate with different colored round studs on it and they called it "Lego Cupcakes" or something.

    Isn't that part of one of the Friends sets though? I'm sure I've seen a 2x2 or 2x3 plate with round plates on top like that.
    Most likely, but to charge $3 or more for 7 pieces (1 plate, 6 studs) that cost no more than a quarter is ridiculous.

  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,923
    edited August 2012
    Renny said:

    CCC said:

    Renny said:

    LOL....oh man that's a riot ;) Reminds me of another crappy auction I saw. I think it was a 2x3 plate with different colored round studs on it and they called it "Lego Cupcakes" or something.

    Isn't that part of one of the Friends sets though? I'm sure I've seen a 2x2 or 2x3 plate with round plates on top like that.
    Most likely, but to charge $3 or more for 7 pieces (1 plate, 6 studs) that cost no more than a quarter is ridiculous.

    As with other ones on here, to charge that much may be ridiculous. But to pay that much is just plain crazy. Yet people do.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,923
    edited August 2012
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  • brclark82brclark82 Member Posts: 217
    edited August 2012

    You know, the simple solution to killing all this fraud? PayPal should do what Amazon does... For new accounts without SELLING history (buying is meaningless), but selling history with money changing hands...

    Hold the money for 30 days to ensure that the item is really shipped and the customer is happy.

    If you open a new selling account on Amazon and go to town selling tons of expensive Lego, Amazon won't give you a dime of it until they see the items shipped and customers happy. They'll normally do a 30 day review, but depending on the value of the items and other factors, they reserve the right to do a 90 day review.

    They do.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    ^ If they do, then why all the seller fraud? It would seem such a system would make it pointless and a waste of time.

    Another solution is a positive ID on each seller, link it to Driver's Licence or Social Security information, credit checks, that kinda thing. Make it nearly impossible to cheat the system.

    One way or another, as everything moves online, we need a better "trust" system than we have in place right now.
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,395
    ^The only problem with linking your account to a Driver's Licence or Social Security information is it could potentially scare people wanting to sell some items. Personally, I would never want my Social Security information on the internet. PayPal is always nagging me to put my SS# on there, but I always refuse too. I just don't feel comfortable having my "identity" on the internet. PayPal is incredibly safe and lockdown, but there's always that tiny chance that it gets hacked, and if that were to happen I wouldn't want anyone to have easy access to my SS#.
    A lot of new people on eBay are honest sellers just trying to un-load some junk in their attic and garage, and the majority aren't actually "scammers". I'd like to reduce the number of "scammers" as much as any other person, but I think what it comes down too is a aware buyer. You're always going to find some person able to bend the rules and find a way to set up a scam, but if you have smart buyers, then you can foil all their plans.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    ^ This is all true of course...

    I'm simply referring to the fact that as everything becomes electronic, sooner or later you need a "trusted" online system.

    As much as I don't trust the government, I trust PayPal even less, so I don't want them becoming the standard.

    The solution is complex, more than can be figured out here, but as we move to digital wallets, digital currency (what, you think they'll keep printing that paper money?), digital IDs, etc. We need a secure system to support it, which we don't have now.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    Yes, just try to be an educated buyer. That's all you can really do. You just have to watch out for people from Kentucky or people that try to sell you a Lego set without a box :-)
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,395
    Pitfall69 said:

    Yes, just try to be an educated buyer. That's all you can really do. You just have to watch out for people from Kentucky or people that try to sell you a Lego set without a box :-)

    Yes, those scummy Kentucky hicks... Never trust them.

  • brclark82brclark82 Member Posts: 217
    Not sure when they started it, but I have just under 100 feedback 100% positive, but haven't sold much in a while until recently. PayPal has put a 14-20 day hold on every auction I've sold (about 10) in the last month
  • m4ttym4tty Member Posts: 54
  • monkey_roomonkey_roo Member Posts: 1,407
    ^ stay away from that, the price is too low and the feedback looks 'off', the 19 sold but only 17 feedbacks, none of which are for a Death Star. My rule of thumb is if a deal looks too good to be true it usually is.
  • m4ttym4tty Member Posts: 54
    haha thats what i thought its worth double that, ive been watching it all day and people have been buying them,i did message him twice but no reply ?? i think something is going on there and with free p&p
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    ^ Use common sense... That account hasn't sold anything for over a year, then all of a sudden it has a ton of half price Death Stars.

    That is probably a hacked account, someone got ahold of the password and is using it for a scam.

    If it was legit, there is no need to sell them that cheap, they could sell them for 50% more and still move them, if they really had them.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,923
    ^ Yep.
  • MorkManMorkMan Phoenix, Arizona, USA.Member Posts: 885
    Always a pet peeve of mine on eBay when people don't spell words correctly. This seller says "Veriatile" instead of "Versatile".... Unless that's a new word?
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Go figure, I must owe someone $1. :)

    The buyer who had the PayPal account that was unverified without any shipping address at all, resent the payment, now verified account and confirmed shipping address.

    Go figure... :)
  • gifinimgifinim UKMember Posts: 174
    SpiderMan said:
    Hang on - the listing says 'no assembly required'. But it's Lego!?
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    ^ That isn't bad, but he/she wants really close to retail for most of those...

    After shipping to the US, it'll end up costing me about $3.50 per polybag, for some of those that is a great deal, but the bulk of it, not so much...
  • paul_mertonpaul_merton UKMember Posts: 2,967
    If it were <£400 I'd probably buy now, think later :)
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    ^ Yea, the price just isn't "amazing" enough to do that, and it is an auction anyway so who knows how high it will go.
  • paul_mertonpaul_merton UKMember Posts: 2,967
    @LegoFanTexas I think all of those polybags were given away free with newspapers in the UK, so the "original" value was probably only £150-£200.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    That is true, but if I had them here, I'd probably net about $5 a polybag for them. But paying $3.50 each makes it not worth it, the labor of selling 500 polybags for $1.50 each profit is really not worth the time, when I have to pay someone to pack and ship them and process orders.

    I generally want to make $5 an item or more, to justify the labor involved.

    After all, how do I play with my kids and post here all day if I'm personally shipping everything out. ;)
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,923
    ^ Would you really net as high as $5 a piece? In LDCs these are normally $4 each and $5 in TRU. A lot of those are less desirable too. In the UK some of them regularly go for £1 plus postage on ebay. You can often get them for a similar price at bootsales. It may just be a UK thing, since they were 30p or so with newspapers, so heavily stocked by some people and seen as not worth much more by others.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Some of them yes, some no...

    Some of those would be $10, some would be $2, it averages out.

    Of course, I didn't do a detailed price breakdown, since I won't be buying it.
  • CrowkillersCrowkillers Member Posts: 757
    edited August 2012
    Someone recently sold the 30201 Ghost and new Coffin Car for $65...

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEGO-Monster-Fighters-30200-Zombie-Coffin-Car-30201-Ghost-Polybags-New-Sealed-/271034110665?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f1ae452c9

    But hey, they did have free shipping... ;)


  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,923

    Someone recently sold the 30201 Ghost and new Coffin Car for $65...

    Only because someone (well, two people) bid that much.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,923
    Imagine getting free tickets for legoland from The Sun promotion for a midweek date, then finding out someone in your family is getting married on that wednesday.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lego-Land-Tickets-19-9-12-/271035026741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f1af24d35#ht_500wt_1228

    And then wanting £30 for them.
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