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Also remember international Cuusoo is still very new, over time IF cuusoo is successful TLG may move the balance with regard to the last issue. No company would want to risk its core business on a new, untested idea but as Cuusoo becomes less new and less untested TLG may stretch their boundaries of what is acceptable.
On the plus side (IMO) the more projects that are turned down for being unsuitable or unlicensable the more pressure they'll have to let through the other ideas. Western modular seems more more likely now.
"It would be great to have the opportunity to produce a set based on your work that has been featured in various LEGO-related publications."
(taken from the Official LEGO comments tab: http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/6135)
There doesnt seen to have been to much bad publicity from the rejections of the Winchester and Serenity. Or none that a quick google search could find. I dont think they will take of license themes even if they are about as likely to get made as I am to become a comedian or singer. Look at how well its done. Pulled in loads of minevraft fans, and its been tweeted and talked about by celebraties advertising it which has to have raised its profile. Thats only good PR for lego. As much as I dislike Cussoo.
Good news is there are instructions coming for the serenity project so if you do want to build it...
Everyone noticed that Cuusoo Corner now has a little spot on the home page.
But speaking of Mark have you seen his Warhammer 40k Space Marine on Cuusoo?
I love Firefly, so do many other people. But that isn't the point, Lego did not reject the model because of your reason, they did so because it isn't aimed at kids. Which means that Babylon 5 would get rejected as well, as would other adult topics.
But this is dishonest from TLG as well, LotR is not aimed at kids, it is PG-13, but should have been R, I would never let my 10 year old watch it. So why is Lego making LotR sets?
I think the same applies to LOTR, Pirates of the Caribbean, and even Star Wars which many are using as a point of reference; you could pick out scenes in all of them which push the boundaries of what kids should see, but on the whole they're all very accessible. You'll probably disagree with me about LOTR there, but I honestly don't think that it warrants an R rating.
LEGO CUUSOO has opened the floor for you to submit product concepts to us that we can consider for production. As of March 29, all new projects are first held in a queue and approved by a moderator before being posted to the site. We’re able to catch a lot more things this way, but some things are not obvious on the surface and we can't give every project a thorough review. Projects that are obviously over the line will be caught, but some will inevitably pass through."
Makes you wonder what people have been submitting.
But even with ratings I don't think it is cut & dry....
LOTR is pushing the acceptability boundry if we consider the films and their content, however IMO the books and prior animated film versions were more age appropriate.
Would the ALIEN franchise pass muster? Or Terminator? How about Narnia? There is a lot that goes into the accepting process and we as fans need to simply accept LEGO's judgement. Hopefully changes in the CUUSOO process will address some of these issues.
@cavegod, your speeder bike rocks.
I didn't even think about the religious undertones when I tossed that one in. It was more of a counter to LOTR.
"cruelty to real life animals"
Depending on what strand of animal-rights ideology they go with, that could easily be interpreted as ruling out a circus theme, which some people had been wishing for. I personally think such views are absurd, but it's one of those issues where the activists are very loudmouthed and LEGO might shy away from the potential controversy.
Interesting also that when it comes to warfare, "Post W.W. II" appears to be the cut-off. So maybe we'll get that Spitfire yet....
What bothers me is the lack of consistency, not the rules. I get that Firefly is perhaps not Lego material, But if it is not, then PotC and LotR is not either.
I also didn't say that's why they rejected it, I was responding specifically to your point about kids growing into adult consumers - which I agree with - but that LEGO needn't worry about such things with such a niche IP. This point has merit in relationship to an IP like LOTR much more so than one like Firefly. LOTR is mainstream and has stood the test of time. Kids are MUCH more likely to grow into adult consumers of LOTR products then they are of Firefly products. It's just sheer numbers. And of course their are new Tolkien movies upcoming, which certainly helps as well.
So, yes, the current relevance and popularity of an IP certainly matters - maybe it's not the main reason, or even a stated reason of why Firefly was reject, but it likely plays a part. Take the exact same premise and insert it into multi-billion dollar a year cash cow IP (like SW), and perhaps it does pass muster? We just don't know.
Yea, a bit, I get the problems here. The funny thing is, I recently rewatched the series with my wife, it was very uneven, but most first seasons are as they are figuring it out. The original Star Trek is better in our memory than most of those episodes really were, but hey, it was better than nothing. :)
The problem Firefly has today of course is competition, Star Trek was unique at the time, Firefly today is "just another sci-fi series", except that it wasn't. As pointed out, it was not a ship full of "good guys" off to fight the "bad guys". In fact, the Alliance wasn't evil, it was just a big government that most of its people probably were happy to support, these guys did lose the war after all.
But that made it real, honest, gritty, and interesting, unlike most of the crap on TV these days.
I will repeat my point again, but then I'll drop it... My kids can watch LotR when they grow up and make their own choices, they are way too violent for kids. But then this is one of my grips with the media these days (at least in the USA), we allow our kids to see almost any amount of violence, but if a topless girl shows up, that's it, the kids are scarred for life, better call the FCC!!!
It is just insane... Violence is bad, but I guess our world is filled with it...
I really would like to see the Willy's Jeep garner a strong support base.
Money talks, bovine excrement walks.
People who are trying to convince themselves that there is in fact some "bright line" that is never crossed are fooling themselves, that's all. The line will always be blurred by the shadow of money.
Firefly is indeed a niche property that doesn't cast much of a money shadow, making it easy to draw a nice glittering line.
I'll lay down one marker: within a few years we will see a LEGO property based on some videogame that is in essence a first person shooter, whatever hand-waving LEGO might do to say otherwise. There will be some juicy opportunity on some megahit that is not TOO gory for the rationalization of the moment, and they will take the money and run.
Most of those other standards will be bent too.
I'm not accusing or defending it, I'm saying that's how business works, and it's the path LEGO is on.
Perhaps I should submit my unicorn circus MOC after all, if cruelty to imaginary animals is accepted :p
Nothing stays the same forever...
Make of it what you will.
Basically, they are winging it on all this stuff. Not necessarily a bad thing.
"We are sorry to inform you that your LEGO CUUSOO project "Firefly Serenity " has been removed to reflect the new Project Guidelines (lego.cuusoo.com/guidelines), which do not allow content related to realistic or extreme violence."
^ And the Sopwith Camel does not depict "realistic or extreme violence"?
The rejection doesn't bother me, the Lego policy doesn't bother me...
What bothers me is the dishonest double standard... Of course TLG can do whatever they want, but they lose the moral high ground when they do this.
Either have a policy, or don't... if you apply it unevenly, you simply look foolish. In my opinion anyway. :)
best modular on there, that I've seen.
Regarding the link you just posted, that courthouse is nice, but it looks like a short modular... and too much like the Town Hall... to get made. Unless I'm missing something?
That brings up another question... Would anyone want Lego to start putting out 2 modular buildings a year, one in the spring and one in the fall, keeping 4-6 of them on the market at one time?
As for my two pence I cant honestly think of anything where lego has broken its own rules. All the themes that lego have running are fantasy or in the case of the sopworth camel a war that is far removed from public memory.
I think with the war comment they have made is very fair. Anything post world war two is going to inflame emotions and anger that a multi national corperation will attract. Vietnam would kill the far east market, the war in Iraq would, well we all know what will happen in that case!