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  • RedbullgivesuwindRedbullgivesuwind Member Posts: 2,108
    @Samiam391 I think the proffessor oak lab is the better out of the two that you have shown. You do need some pokemon though.

    In regards to your battle pack the main issue I would have is it kind of defeats the point of being a battle pack. The whole point of these things is they are a cheap way to get army building figures. They need to have the parts because their license with Star Wars says they cant sell mini figs on their own. But they cost ten quid (roughly) or are in pocket money prices and give kids the chance to have the 6 million clones they want. The issue I would have with yours, while it is a good idea, is that it wouldnt hit the price point that lego want with it. Its going to be £20 at least. Thats a small set. Id change the name and expand it to create a big scene and offer it as modulars.
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,526
    Bustin said:

    The new modular ghostbusters set is on my purchase ASAP list.

    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/35110



    I don't see the point of ghostbusters without the Stay Puft / Marshmallow man and some slime ghosts - which means quite a few new parts, including a giant minifig like Hulk / Goblin King / Cave Troll. Plus I notice the brickforge plasma guns - again new parts needed.
  • jasorjasor Member Posts: 839
    ^^sweeeeeeeeet.
  • AanchirAanchir Member Posts: 3,014
    CCC said:

    Bustin said:

    The new modular ghostbusters set is on my purchase ASAP list.

    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/35110

    I don't see the point of ghostbusters without the Stay Puft / Marshmallow man and some slime ghosts - which means quite a few new parts, including a giant minifig like Hulk / Goblin King / Cave Troll. Plus I notice the brickforge plasma guns - again new parts needed.
    Besides possibly the slime ghosts, every single thing you mentioned could potentially be brick-built. So no, there are no new parts strictly needed for a Ghostbusters set. Not every license-based Cuusoo proposal has to be thought of like a high-budget licensed theme.

    On a side note, there's nothing wrong with using custom parts or even non-LEGO objects in a LEGO Cuusoo proposal if the role can later be filled by existing parts or constructions. In fact, TLG uses non-LEGO items and custom items in their prototypes fairly often, even if they end up getting replaced with existing molds in the final version due to budget or other reasons. Consider this prototype BIONICLE set which includes hardly a recognizable BIONICLE piece that hasn't been modified or mutilated. That became this 2005 series of sets, which had no new parts unique to them (the only new parts were the spinner, the two launcher elements, and the rip cord, and those were all shared with almost every other BIONICLE set that year).

    Now, if your project uses custom parts prominently in a way that they can't be removed or replaced without destroying the original concept or the reason for the project's appeal, then it will likely fail review. But this ghostbusters project has nothing remotely fitting that description-- most people probably might not even notice the use of custom parts for the proton packs, and I doubt they will be the deciding factor in getting anyone's vote.
  • jasorjasor Member Posts: 839
    ^^exactly. The hazmat suit CMF backpack comes to mind. There are variations than can be subbed.
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,526
    I doubt if a brick built Stay Puft would sell as well as a molded piece. The general population are used to The Hulk, cave troll, Goblin King, dinosaurs, etc and detailed molded pieces in dragons, for example.

    Much as I'd prefer a brick-built one, I cannot see it as being as popular. To get anything like the detail you'd need to make it realistic, the brick count goes up...

    image

    Of course, you could go for the cube dude style model ...

    image

    which no doubt lego fans would like. But would it be a general seller?
  • LegobrandonCPLegobrandonCP Member Posts: 1,917
    Regardless if you're a train fan or not, this model must be supported!

    http://brickset.com/news/article/?ID=5924
  • dougtsdougts Member Posts: 4,110
    ^ why? there is no logic in that. I am a train fan, but I won't support that model for obvious reasons.
  • jasorjasor Member Posts: 839
    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/10390#

    check that one out....I would love to have that for my costumey CMFs!!!
  • dougtsdougts Member Posts: 4,110
    edited March 2013
    ^ great MOC
  • TitusTitus Member Posts: 79
    I like that a lot. Supported!
    icey117 said:

    Not sure if this was mentioned before, but this FORGE one is nice!
    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/32541#

  • BustinBustin Member Posts: 286
    Another great Western looking idea rejected because of Lone Ranger.

    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/9050
  • dougtsdougts Member Posts: 4,110
    Of course it would be. This was the obvious only possible outcome and should surprise no one
  • BustinBustin Member Posts: 286
    Doesn't seem so obvious, seems completely backwards in thinking to not release what most Lego AFOLs are harkening to buy again. Western is one of the most requested return to themes.
  • cloaked7cloaked7 Member Posts: 1,448
    ^ Yup, I agree... I think a Western theme and Lone Ranger theme would benefit (and not retract from) each other. Also, the train station and water tower are awesome. An obvious set would be a steam locomotive with a cow catcher.
  • Bosstone100Bosstone100 Member Posts: 1,431
    Seems to me, it wouldn't compete at all. If you are a fan of the Lone Ranger, wouldn't you want to get the Western modulars to expand your town, etc. It seems logical to me.
  • cloaked7cloaked7 Member Posts: 1,448
    edited March 2013
    ^ Yeah, you and I think alike. :-) Unfortunately, based on how I think that is probably a bad thing. :-)
  • BustinBustin Member Posts: 286
    I think Lego has been shooting themselves in the foot with some of these licensing deals lately.
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,331
    edited March 2013
    I suspect that the Lone Ranger licence precludes any other western theme during its lifetime. But at the same time, I don't think thats the only issue - I don't think its quite so simple - theres a reason why lego haven't released twenty different lone Ranger sets at once. Eventually you reach a point where additional sets detract from other sets through more distributed sales and quite frankly LEGO make more money selling 100,000 of one set rather than 50,000 of two sets and probably even than 60,000 of two sets. There are also other reasons for limiting the number of individual products you run. For all the above, there's a reason why there's always about 6 or 7 lego products in a release. Lone Ranger, Galaxy Squad, Dino, Alien Conquest, Mining etc.

    What's more interesting is that the project (unless Im mistaken) only had 1600 votes and wasn't exactly rocketing to 10,000. I'm assuming this means that the Lone Ranger licence is running for some time. I've little interest in the film - are a second/third etc expected/in production?

    Having said that I would have loved the Western town (more the first one than this one)
  • polarscribepolarscribe Member Posts: 11
    edited March 2013
    I don't think that's necessarily the case, cheshirecat. I think it's clear that LEGO is going to reject anything Western-themed on CUUSOO until the exclusivity period of the license expires. They can't be seen as even *considering* producing a product that would violate the terms of their license, simple as that. Better to cut it off at 1,600 than wait until it hits 10,000 and then lay down the hammer. They're being honest about the rules of the game.

    If something on CUUSOO gets a licensing partner riled up or damages that licensing relationship... well, LEGO makes a ton more money on their licensed sets than they will ever make off anything from CUUSOO. It's not a hard choice to make.
  • polarscribepolarscribe Member Posts: 11
    edited March 2013
    cloaked7 said:

    An obvious set would be a steam locomotive with a cow catcher.

    The flagship of the Lone Ranger theme is... a train set. LEGO is not going to produce a non-themed Western train that would directly compete with, and basically duplicate, that Lone Ranger set.
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,331
    @polarscribe - I agree "I suspect that the Lone Ranger licence precludes any other western theme during its lifetime." but if its a one and done theme then purging Cuusoo of anything western themed seems like a complete waste of time given the rate that it was moving at not to mention the time it takes for the review process to do anything.
  • prof1515prof1515 Member Posts: 1,550
    Size and cost is probably more of a factor in eliminating such a set rather than competition with the Lone Ranger theme. If Lone Ranger was guaranteed to be a hit and a long-term license it would have more of an impact but at present there's no way to ascertain that meaning Lego would be far more motivated by the marketability of a larger set than by potential future license conflicts.
  • polarscribepolarscribe Member Posts: 11
    edited March 2013
    The early rejection was explicitly stated as only coming because of a license conflict, obviously with the Lone Ranger theme.

    If it wasn't for that, they would have let it run... size and cost is a factor for the design/business case team to analyze.
  • polarscribepolarscribe Member Posts: 11

    @polarscribe - ...if its a one and done theme then purging Cuusoo of anything western themed seems like a complete waste of time given the rate that it was moving at not to mention the time it takes for the review process to do anything.

    I just don't think they have a choice. We're not privy to the contract language but if it was drawn up by Disney lawyers, no doubt it's insanely strict and unforgiving. CUUSOO is an official LEGO site, and no matter how many disclaimers they put up, all it would take is one overzealous contract lawyer (and no doubt Disney has a legion of them) going "Look, LEGO is violating their contract by advertising other Western sets!" and making a huge mess for the company. CUUSOO is not worth risking that kind of trouble.

    Remember that CUUSOO is a tiny, tiny, tiny, infinitesimal speck on the LEGO balance sheet, while the big-name licensed themes are huge profit centers. The fact of the matter is, LEGO is not going to do anything on CUUSOO that would remotely jeopardize their licensed-theme contracts.
  • BustinBustin Member Posts: 286
    Well Lego isn't forced to sign these license deals. I don't understand why they would sign one that would prevent them from releasing something that was a huge part of their line at one point.
  • polarscribepolarscribe Member Posts: 11
    edited March 2013
    They sign them because they're likely to sell way more sets with The Lone Ranger tie-in attached than they would a generic Western theme.

    It's not as if LEGO can never again release a Western theme - they just can't release a Western theme set *at the same time as they're releasing TLR sets.*
  • AanchirAanchir Member Posts: 3,014
    Bustin said:

    Well Lego isn't forced to sign these license deals. I don't understand why they would sign one that would prevent them from releasing something that was a huge part of their line at one point.

    Partly because they probably (quite rightly) see a theme like this that they haven't released in a long time as a substantial risk. It's not entirely clear how much demand exists among kids for Western-themed toys and media in general, much less for a LEGO brand. When exactly was the last big-name Western targeted at kids? The Toy Story franchise even used the declining popularity of Western toys as a plot point for its first two films, and those were made years ago.

    Anyway, Western sets were a "huge" part of TLG's line (if you could even call it that) for two or three years, over a decade ago. And The Lone Ranger license was probably seen as too good a deal to pass up, especially since the film is probably seen as one of the most likely opportunities to revitalize the popularity of the Western among kids. If The Lone Ranger theme is successful, TLG wouldn't necessarily need another Western theme, at least not until their contract for the sets expires and they can sign a less restrictive one. If it isn't, then who's to say an unlicensed Western theme or set would fare much better?
  • SWAT_StrachanSWAT_Strachan Member Posts: 24
    Would it be unforgivable for me to shamelessly try to promote a couple of my sets on Cuusoo? Even though I've grown up with computers, I never developed the skill of self-promotion that kid's find to be second nature these days.

    Anyway, in a vain attempt to gain a little exposure, I present...

    The Shadowtrooper Dropship.
    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/12146

    The Modular Imperial Hangar / Base.
    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/39130
    (I'm modifying this one at the moment to include a couple of speeders, and to tweak the colour scheme)

    The Imperial Ice Speeder.
    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/39317
    (this one might not be live yet, it's still in the review stage so give it a look over in a few days. Alternatively, you can find pics of it at http://swat-strachan.deviantart.com/gallery/43253601 ).

    I would love to see at least one of my ideas hit three figures, but preferably five ;).
  • PaperballparkPaperballpark Member Posts: 4,260
    ^ I'm not really a Star Wars person, but I'll raise three points:

    1. Having one set consisting of a single wall and two minifigs just isn't feasible IMHO. Who wants to buy a wall? There's no play value there at all.

    2. The model will stand a better chance of getting votes if you build it, rather than show pictures of an LDD model.

    3. It strikes me that with licensed sets, LEGO tend to build sets based on something from whatever License they have. Now I could be wrong, but I'm not sure that wall is actually based on anything specific from Star Wars.

    I hope you take this as it's meant, as constructive criticism.
  • SWAT_StrachanSWAT_Strachan Member Posts: 24

    I hope you take this as it's meant, as constructive criticism.

    Taken as such :).

    The biggest problem I have is a complete lack of spare Lego, the only model that I actually managed to build was the turret. All of my blocks are tied up in pre-built models, and I hate the idea of having to dismantle them, so LDD is pretty much the only option open to me.

    I think if I included more figures and maybe a speeder, the wall set might be more appealing, in the same way that a tree would never really attract attention, but put a couple of rebels and troopers in there, and boom, instant set.

    As for my Ice Speeder, that could easily be adapted to become a stand-alone model, separate from the Star Wars franchise. I'm not exactly a prolific designer, so it's all new territory to me :D.

  • SchwallexSchwallex Member Posts: 121
    Wow, just finished reading the entire thread. Start to finish. Lots of excellent analysis throughout, and well presented, too. Keep it up, folks.
  • SchwallexSchwallex Member Posts: 121
    Now here's one thing I have noticed after hanging around on CUUSOO for quite some time, checking out hundreds of projects. The ratio of views to supporters is surprisingly constant, for all projects, across the board. Quite typically between 20 and 30.

    There are very few projects that manage to do better than that (with about 12 to 15 views per one supporter), but also very few projects that fare significantly worse. You can take the most esoteric, the most poorly presented idea, or something you'd objectively never expect anyone to spend a dime on, and you are still likely to see it have a ratio of around 40 or 50. Of course that's four times worse than the top of the pack, but my point is it's only four times worse. I certainly would have expected a much, much larger variance.

    So what do I take away from this. I have that vague idea in the back of my head that, as the owner of a project, the number of supporters is not the one you should be getting obsessed with. Much rather, you should be looking at the number of views. In fact then you can plain ignore everything else. If you can get it up to 500k, you're through. Even if your project is a 10×10 mosaic of your favorite cactus.

    Now, getting views is still not trivial, but the thing is if you look at it that way, it doesn't sound anywhere as scary an undertaking as getting supporters. This is the Internet; anything and everything can get a zillion views. Just keep them trickling in, and you'll do fine. Constant dripping wears away the stone.

    Heck, spammers had it all figured out decades ago. Send a message to a billion people, and as long as the tiniest fraction of them takes the bait, you're golden. (Before there's any misunderstanding whatsoever, that is but an illustration. I do not encourage sending a billion spam mails, and certainly TLG won't like getting associated with such behavior in any way, shape or form, so they'll kick your sorry behind. But there are legitimate ways to keep getting views, and that's what you should be doing, 24/7. Persistence pays off, sitting on your hands won't.)

    This lesson, of course, might sound boringly obvious to some. And yet it's not obvious to most folks on CUUSOO. All those projects in the bottom half are failing not because they are subpar, but because they completely stopped getting views a year ago and their owners never understood that they should be doing something about that. Not that I'm complaining, mind you.
  • daikoncatdaikoncat Member Posts: 3
    Hi All,

    Just wanted to share with you my Cuusoo project. I've created a Valkyrie (Veritech) fighter from the anime Macross (Robotech).

    Please check it out!:
    image

    I'm sure you all know that this isn't the first LEGO Valkyrie on Cuusoo. But I am hoping that it will still be given a chance :)

    Link: lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/39360

    -daikoncat
    BrickDancer
  • jasorjasor Member Posts: 839
    This is too cool, especially if we ever got a phantom of the opera MF in CMF or otherwise

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyiMXj22n30
  • jasorjasor Member Posts: 839
    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/40432

    some wistfulness in this design. Mexican restaurant FTW
  • lluisgiblluisgib Member Posts: 225
    Let me introduce my project:

    It is the Pit-Exit Marshal's post at Circuit de Catalunya where I am collaborating there since 1991. I have decided that if I reach 10.000 supporters, 50% of the benefits I would receive from the set will go to charity though Brickset raffle. Another reason to support :)

    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/40667

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    SirKevbags
  • CommodorelegolasCommodorelegolas Member Posts: 21
    Me and my buddy, just2good, just posted our first Cuusoo project!
    The Weird Al Minifig Collection and Performance Stage!
    We'd really appreciate your support!

    http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/42157
  • DiggydoesDiggydoes Member Posts: 1,079
    Over on fbtb they've posted the confirmation about the latest cuusoo approval: http://www.fbtb.net/2013/06/14/lego-cuusoo-announces-fall-2012-results/#more-21737
    As expected the incredible lame (sorry) Mars rover made it and not the Sandcrawler :(
  • dougtsdougts Member Posts: 4,110
    Anyone who thought the sand crawler was even remotely feasible as a go to market product for LEGO has a severe disconnect from reality
    bassbison
  • DiggydoesDiggydoes Member Posts: 1,079
    dougts said:

    Anyone who thought the sand crawler was even remotely feasible as a go to market product for LEGO has a severe disconnect from reality

    Of course it was kinda clear that the Sandcrawler wouldn´t really be considered by TLG, but one can dream right?!
    Thank you!

  • PerijovePerijove Member Posts: 116
    I was hoping they might reveal the official DeLorean Time Machine set at Brickworld, but I can't say I'm disappointed.
  • PaperballparkPaperballpark Member Posts: 4,260
    ^ well done dude! :)
    Perijove
  • SilentModeSilentMode Member Posts: 586
    Congratulations to the Rover, for me it was a no-brainer decision (although I wasn't against the Portal project).

    As a side note I've removed my account.
    Perijove
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    The problem with Cuusoo is that they are taking too long and not enough progress is being made. I could be mistaken of course, but it seems like interest has fallen way off.

    Portals should be an obvious and easy target and they should have jumped on that one.

    The rover is fine, but they are way late with it. How many people even remember that we have a rover on Mars? Sure, some people do, but it just doesn't capture much imagination it seems, or it doesn't get media attention anyway.

    Totally understand the UCS Sandcrawler, would have been nice, but no surprise there.

    I haven't been to Cuusoo in awhile and really have no plans to go back, it just isn't being run well.
    dougts
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,534
    ^I bet they are saving Portal for the next set so they can give the axe to Space Troopers and the Purdue mascot. This would also spread out their videogame sets so people will be less likely to think that CUUSOO is a one trick pony.

    I would buy Portal day one and really hope it happens.
  • PaperballparkPaperballpark Member Posts: 4,260
    edited June 2013
    The problem is that everyone is far too impatient these days (and not just on here).

    A set gets 10k votes, and people want an announcement almost immediately, without appreciating that it probably takes TLG a good 6 to 8 months to work through all the processes they have, especially when third-party licences are involved. Then when a set is finally announced, they want it almost right away, whereas obviously it takes TLG a lot longer to arrive at a final model design, design the packaging, and put all the processes in place to actually produce the thing.

    Be patient people!
    Perijove
  • TyoSoloTyoSolo Member Posts: 539
    Oh dear. I'm not impressed with the final BTTF Time Machine model, if anything they have ruined the original concept. http://brickfanatics.co.uk/back-to-the-future-cuusoo-set-revealed/
    BrickDancerLucifer_Adamsbricksan
  • Lucifer_AdamsLucifer_Adams Member Posts: 12
    I'm pretty gutted right now. I really don't like the roof and hood. It really does look worse.
    bricksan
  • PaperballparkPaperballpark Member Posts: 4,260
    ^ hmmm... it also looks like it might not have any minifigs with it.
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