BrickLink Designer Crowdfunding - Reopening Bids for Seasons In Time

fulcrumbop

There is a change.org petition set up to convince BrickLink to reconsider reopening the ordering for the Seasons in Time Calendar as part of the Designer Crowdfunding Program, taking into account how far along the selection progress volume was when the cutoff took place.  The set was well on its way to reaching 3,000 orders within the first day, and would certainly, if given the chance, reach the 10,000 maximum production level.  If you were one of the over 2,000 disenfranchised customers who were deprived the chance to own such a great set, or if you are still interested in owning the set, please sign the petition:  https://chng.it/NTCg854zxH.

Paperballpark

Without wishing to start an argument, I don't see the point of the petition. It was very clear from the start what the process was, and it was the same for round 1 when the Kakapo just beat whatever came 6th. I didn't see anyone setting up a petition then, just because they didn't get what they wanted.

It got beaten. Rather than trying to get LEGO to reverse a very clear process, magine what signal that would give if they agreed - that the process would be a sham and that a few people signing a petition could get the whole process overturned.

It's not going to happen, so just deal with it and move on with your lives.

CCC

And what about other whines such as can they also allow in models that got to 1K on IDEAS. They were on their way ...

autolycus

Haven’t they said they would release the instructions for the sets that won’t be made? If they do, you can always piece it out on your own. You’re not missing out on printed instructions or an elaborate box design anyway.

KungFuKenny

I was a big fan of this set as well, and I hope they do release instructions for it. I suspect if Brent had been able to make it a bit smaller (somewhere in the $170 range) it would’ve had a lot better chance of success…

I don’t see the point of a petition either, but it’s hard for me to criticize anyone who is passionate about Lego! I think, however, that you do you have to respect the process outlined in the bricklink crowdfund rules.  This process certainly isn’t a huge moneymaker for Lego, and I appreciate the fact that they are doing it at all!  

fulcrumbop

@Paperballpark - The Kakapo didn't "just beat" the 6th place (looks like it was Bionicle) set in the 1st round; Bionicle and the Particle Accelerator were only around 1,000 selections when that cutoff happened.  And that was after 6 of the sets in that round were pulled out ahead of the "crowdfunding".  So, there was a clear separation in that instance and no need for a petition.  The process is what was flawed; setting up a race to the finish line instead of a condensed timeframe in which to order the sets.  And the designers of the sets agreed as well; several had complained to BrickLink prior to Round 1 about how the program was a poor arrangement for both designers and customers to pit the sets against each other.

@CCC - That's an invalid comparison.  IDEAS has 18 MONTHS for a set to reach 1,000 supporters.  Keep trying though; maybe you'll be able to complete a sentence next time.

@autolycus - The FAQ listing isn't clear about the instructions; it says, "PDF building instructions will also be made publicly available when sets begin shipping."  Since only the "funded" sets are to be shipped, this leads one to believe that the other instructions won't be available.

If you don't want to sign, don't sign.

Paperballpark

@fulcrumbop, insulting members like @CCC in only your third post on the forum probably isn't the brightest thing to do, but then I suspect that could well be par for the course with you.

I tried my best to patiently explain and be nice, but if you're not going to be nice to others then don't expect people to be nice back. What follows is not me being nice.

The fact is that there was a process, and the company set out clearly what that was. They do not have to do anything, and certainly not at the behest of a few dozen petitioners. I was going to say a couple of hundred, but it's not even at that level yet. LEGO didn't even have to run this designer programme, so I think we're damn lucky that they're doing it at all. 

I'm not sure what it is about some people these days, where nothing is ever good enough for them and they demand what they want, regardless of how realistic it is or anything else. Creating a petition just because the set you (or whoever created the petition) wanted wasn't popular enough to be produced is the height of arrogance. It also shows a great naivety about how the world (and the world of business) works that makes me think either that you (or whoever created it) haven't yet exited your teens, or that you're spoilt and expect to get your own way all the time.

Do you honestly expect LEGO to change their minds on the back of a petition which has, let's face it, not that much support? If so then I'm afraid you're both naive and deluded.

fulcrumbop

@Paperballpark, I have to laugh, as if I have anything to worry about you not being nice.  Let's get something straight: it was YOU and @CCC who first decided to be dismissive and condescending (and insulting, with the "whines" snark) after the first posting.  Yes, you're right, this was my first time in the forum, but only because this was for a just cause, and because I've seen some of the junk that's posted in here by wet blankets such as yourself who think they have some actual power over others, or meaning in others lives, by throwing shade.  I checked with Huw prior to posting the link to the petition; he suggested the forum instead of the main site.

It's clear that you know nothing about me, but it's also obvious that YOU also have no idea what it means to be an advocate for others.  I'm guessing you were beaten down throughout life and never had anyone to stand up for you, and for that I truly do feel sorry for you.  

Like I said, if you don't want to sign, don't sign; we (including the designers within the program who disagreed with the process) don't need you.  But don't think you have ANY right to make up rules about what's posted in here.  

Paperballpark

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I love the hypocrisy of you saying that I clearly know nothing about you, and then in the same paragraph making wild assumptions about me.

Carry on, carry on. 👍

CCC

We obviously need a change.org petition to make England the winners of Euro 2020. Obviously, according to the rules, Italy won on penalties but that wasn't the result I wanted so why should the rules count in this case. England were winning in the penalty shoot out at one stage, so were actually scoring a higher percentage of penalties at the start. If that had continued, England would have won. The rules should be retrospectively changed to give me the result I wanted even though I would have been happy with the rules if the result I wanted had happened.

Similarly any 4th place Olympian should get a medal if they were only just behind the bronze medal winner.

Or maybe people should understand why there are rules to any competition.

bricktuary

Misleading thread title aside, I wonder if a change.org petition has ever actually change.orged anything. It always seems like a massive waste of time and effort.

Brainslugged

This petition reminds me of all the petitions that were going on after Brexit to have a second referendum. Even though the petitions may have got a lot of votes, at the end of the day we already knew that 16.1 million people voted to stay in Europe, so wake me up when/if the Brexit petition exceeds that number.

Like Brexit, the Scottish referendum and all the US elections... if the vote didn't go one's way, the best thing one can do is suck it up and move on.

CCC

Brainslugged said:

This petition reminds me of all the petitions that were going on after Brexit to have a second referendum. Even though the petitions may have got a lot of votes, at the end of the day we already knew that 16.1 million people voted to stay in Europe, so wake me up when/if the Brexit petition exceeds that number.

Like Brexit, the Scottish referendum and all the US elections... if the vote didn't go one's way, the best thing one can do is suck it up and move on.

And the more important votes  like if the wrong person gets voted off Strictly or the wrong singer/band get the Christmas No. 1...

bricktuary said:

Misleading thread title aside, I wonder if a change.org petition has ever actually change.orged anything. It always seems like a massive waste of time and effort.

Wasn't one of the get rid of plastic toys in cereal / McD's / comics campaigns started on there? But yes, it is rare that anything gets done. Probably because a lot of them just seem to be rants or whines rather than anything serious.

Brainslugged

^ I still miss the days of a little plastic dinosaur plopping out into my Rice Crispies in the morning :(

Huw

I'm going to close this discussion and put @fulcrumbop on a warning for aggravating longstanding members. 

To be fair he did ask me first whether he could post about the petition and I could see no reason why not. However, he does not seem to accept that it's a lost cause, despite me and others telling him so.