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I have a Mr. Gold (Unpackaged, but still with all original packaging)

StraightFonkyStraightFonky CanadaMember Posts: 2
edited February 23 in Buying & Selling Topics

I have an unpackaged LEGO Mr. Gold from series 10. I still have all of the original packaging, and the certificate of authenticity with the code on it. I was wondering two things:

  1. How much would he be worth nowadays?

  2. What platform would be the best place to sell him, and what method?

I've been trying to list him locally in my city on Facebook Marketplace and other such sites (don't worry, I am very scam savvy and not really seriously selling it or meeting with anyone, just wanted to see what kind of offers I would get) but haven't got much traction.

Thoughts?

https://imgur.com/a/KBsB4zR

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  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,477
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  • HuwHuw Brickset Towers, Hampshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 6,893
    £2000 -- that's insane!
    AstrobricksKungFuKennySumoLegoAllBrickPitfall69
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,091
    I suppose it is only worth what someone will pay.
    andhejnscoelhoAllBrickmadforLEGOPitfall69
  • NateMN2020NateMN2020 MinnesotaMember Posts: 40
    Makes investing in Bitcoin look stupid.
  • AleyditaAleydita BelgiumMember Posts: 928
    I'd say that's very much reached the price point where someone could knock together a very good fake, including all the packaging, and still make a tidy profit.
    drdavewatfordAllBrickgmonkey76
  • drdavewatforddrdavewatford Hertfordshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 6,640
    Aleydita said:
    I'd say that's very much reached the price point where someone could knock together a very good fake, including all the packaging, and still make a tidy profit.
    Spot on.

    At this point I have to admit that I'd be suspicious of any Mr. Gold minifigure being offered for sale anywhere unless it was being sold by a someone who I already knew and trusted and who had found the figure themselves rather than buying it from a third party.
    SumoLegogmonkey76catwranglermr_bennPitfall69
  • ReesesPiecesReesesPieces Member Posts: 1,015
    It didn't help that Lego sold Mr. Gold key chains that could easily be fixed to look like genuine Mr. Golds.
    AllBrickandheSumoLegogmonkey76
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,674
    There already are some good custom versions. I saw one at a bootsale once - the seller wanted £800 (at a bootsale!) - he claimed he came across it in a job lot. No leaflet, no packet and appeared to be a decent print. I thought something was off about the chromed parts though, they didn't look the same type finish as TC-14. Plus I didn't have £800 cash at a bootsale. Not that I would have paid that much.
    andheSumoLegoPitfall69
  • Gibbo1959Gibbo1959 Northumbria UKMember Posts: 414
    Aleydita said:
    I'd say that's very much reached the price point where someone could knock together a very good fake, including all the packaging, and still make a tidy profit.
    Spot on.

    At this point I have to admit that I'd be suspicious of any Mr. Gold minifigure being offered for sale anywhere unless it was being sold by a someone who I already knew and trusted and who had found the figure themselves rather than buying it from a third party.
    Ditto and also ideally still sealed in outer packet, or at very least with the fig still in the inner packet. Although realistically no minifigure is worth that sort of money (IMHO); I’m holding out for the ‘discover one day in the recesses of a dusty old toy shop’ option.
    andheSumoLegojmeninno
  • drdavewatforddrdavewatford Hertfordshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 6,640
    edited February 24
    Gibbo1959 said:
    Aleydita said:
    I'd say that's very much reached the price point where someone could knock together a very good fake, including all the packaging, and still make a tidy profit.
    Spot on.

    At this point I have to admit that I'd be suspicious of any Mr. Gold minifigure being offered for sale anywhere unless it was being sold by a someone who I already knew and trusted and who had found the figure themselves rather than buying it from a third party.
    Ditto and also ideally still sealed in outer packet, or at very least with the fig still in the inner packet.
    Even that wouldn't be any guarantee of authenticity - as Aleydita states above you could invest in producing high quality fakes and accurately reproduce the packaging while still making a massive profit; honestly, I'd be surprised if this wasn't already happening....

    Upshot is that I wouldn't buy one now, under almost any circumstances, regardless of price, packaging or condition.
    SumoLegoKungFuKenny
  • TheFewTheFew EnglandMember Posts: 1,642
    Guess I won't be able to flog the 10 I have on this forum then... 
    andheSumoLegoKungFuKennyBumblepantsmsanders
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,477
    Aleydita said:
    I'd say that's very much reached the price point where someone could knock together a very good fake, including all the packaging, and still make a tidy profit.

    Google : How to gold chrome plastic. 
    SumoLegoJackad7
  • AleyditaAleydita BelgiumMember Posts: 928
    AllBrick said:
    Aleydita said:
    I'd say that's very much reached the price point where someone could knock together a very good fake, including all the packaging, and still make a tidy profit.

    Google : How to gold chrome plastic. 
    Chroming wouldn't be the difficult bit - there are 1,000s of reasonable fake Mr Golds out there. Even a dodgy one would fool an unsuspecting buyer if it came inside a sealed foil bag that looked the part. For £2k I'd be amazed if someone out there hadn't already considered it (or, indeed, were on it).
    AllBrick
  • StraightFonkyStraightFonky CanadaMember Posts: 2
    The thing I've found with Mr. Golds (and keep in mind, the one I own and the one I made this forum post about I did find myself at a local toy store back in the day) or even imitation figures is that it is not hard to tell apart a fake from a real LEGO minifigure or LEGO product in general. 

    Of course if you're inexperienced there's always a big risk but experienced collectors could tell from merely a feel of the plastic or the tiny LEGO watermarks if it was the real deal. 

    In addition to this, and in the specific scenario of Mr. Gold, he has other things with him that make it much easier to spot a fake, like the certificate of authenticity. I've seen quite a few bootleg Mr. Golds that would qualify as "good quality" but it was still very easy to tell it was not a LEGO product. The special code on the certificate can still be referenced as well.
    SumoLegoAllBrick
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,091
    I think they go for $35.00 on eBay.  For display purposes only...

    The pair of Mr. Golds I have are genuine, but it's kind of moot as nobody will ever be able to pry them from my cold dead hands.  

    Incidentally, I am working on growing another pair of arms so my first edition original UCS Millennium Falcon can also remain in my cold dead hands.
    BumblepantsandheGothamConstructionComadforLEGONateMN2020eMJeeNLPitfall69
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,091
    Anybody know where the Great Devourer is?
    Asking for a friend.
    KungFuKennyPitfall69
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,674
    The thing I've found with Mr. Golds (and keep in mind, the one I own and the one I made this forum post about I did find myself at a local toy store back in the day) or even imitation figures is that it is not hard to tell apart a fake from a real LEGO minifigure or LEGO product in general. 

    Of course if you're inexperienced there's always a big risk but experienced collectors could tell from merely a feel of the plastic or the tiny LEGO watermarks if it was the real deal. 

    In addition to this, and in the specific scenario of Mr. Gold, he has other things with him that make it much easier to spot a fake, like the certificate of authenticity. I've seen quite a few bootleg Mr. Golds that would qualify as "good quality" but it was still very easy to tell it was not a LEGO product. The special code on the certificate can still be referenced as well.
    The point made above though is that if someone is willing to throw money at making good quality fake figure, printed on lego parts, then faking a piece if paper is not a big step. Wasn't the registry turned off in 2015 or so. And you can download and print the diploma they issued on registration. 
    drdavewatfordSumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,091
    ^ And one could certainly register a fake Mr. Gold.
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,890
    edited February 25
    The problem also is that if you have to actually handle it to know if it's the real thing, there's a bit of a personal safety issue with turning up in person with enough cash to buy the thing, should it turn out to be genuine. I'm obviously not suggesting that OP is doing this, but if I saw something like that advertised, it would certainly go through my mind that it might be a fake thing advertised to bring a potential buyer out with cash and relieve them of it. You could avoid the risk of carrying the cash with a digital transaction, but of course these days, people might feel a bit differently about meeting up in person anyway...
    AllBrick
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,477
    edited February 25
    Also posting such an item would be a risk, insurance would be a nightmare and if it was insured for 2k it may pique an unsavoury persons interest. 

    Reminds me of the ultra expensive Pokemon card that just disappeared in transit. 
    Sold by someone in Iowa to a buyer in Dubai for $60,000 and just disappeared en route. 
    Risky business, you’d want something like that to be sold at a reputable auction house. You know, a physical one, not an Internet one. 
    catwrangler
  • Yellowcastle2Yellowcastle2 U.S.Member Posts: 47
    I was just talking with the kids about the value of things. It was so funny realizing that little Mr. Gold is likely the most valuable thing we own, after the house, car and #10179. :o)
    drdavewatfordcatwranglerRhody2mn
  • VenunderVenunder Nottingham, UK.Member Posts: 2,566
    When they were "selling" at about £500,
    nobody was interested in my genuine Mr Gold for £300, even though £100 was going to Fairy Bricks.
    So if anyone wants a genuine Mr Gold, with the original bag, still sealed inside the inner bag, with a certificate production number below 100, mine is still available for £500.

    We can arrange the proper exchange in a public place, with security guards present once lock down is relaxed again.  

    You can then try selling it for £1000  to get your money back....
    SumoLegoYellowcastle2KungFuKennyBrainslugged560HeliportAllBrickcatwranglergmonkey76Lobot
  • VenunderVenunder Nottingham, UK.Member Posts: 2,566
    I had intended my post as a small joke. But apparently some of you are intersted in my Mr Gold. I am in discussion with a Bricksetter about selling him.
    If that deal falls through, then I will post again to let people know that Mr Gold is available.
    I do not usually ship outside the UK, but might reconsider my position later. 
    SumoLegoPitfall69KungFuKenny
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,091
    Aw, nuts!  

    How am I supposed to complete my obnoxious flex LEGO minifigure Mr. Gold Barbershop Quartet?
    Pitfall69gmonkey76AllBrickKungFuKenny
  • Yellowcastle2Yellowcastle2 U.S.Member Posts: 47
    I foresee them being named “The Keychains”...
    SumoLegogmonkey76AllBrickMexten
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    SumoLego said:
    Aw, nuts!  

    How am I supposed to complete my obnoxious flex LEGO minifigure Mr. Gold Barbershop Quartet?
    I just need 1 and I own a Barbershop 
    gmonkey76bandit778SumoLego
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    I agree with much of the sentiment here. I don't think I would even consider buying a Mr. Gold from someone outside this forum. Even then; I'd have to make a small list of people that I would trust with that sort of purchase. It's not the money that's in question; but the authenticity. 

    *I know of 2 people that have more than one and I know they are authentic. One; I guess I will have to murder and the other will gladly invite me into their home...even then I'd probably still have to murder them ;)
    FizyxiwybskhmellymelYellowcastle2gmonkey76KungFuKennyMarshallmarioGothamConstructionCoSumoLego
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    SumoLego said:


    The pair of Mr. Golds I have are genuine, but it's kind of moot as nobody will ever be able to pry them from my cold dead hands. 
    You've been holding that over my head for years and here you go again
    Fizyxjmeninnogmonkey76KungFuKennyGothamConstructionCoSumoLego
  • Yellowcastle2Yellowcastle2 U.S.Member Posts: 47
    I’m not sure LEGO could pull off another chase figure.  The world seems to have monetized LEGO collecting to such a degree these days.  That being said, the hunt for S1 and S2 and then Mr. Gold brings back so many fun memories.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,674
    They could easily pull off chase figures again, because the collectors' market is so monetized.
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,477
    CCC said:
    They could easily pull off chase figures again, because the collectors' market is so monetized.
    Then watch the scalpers use bots to  buy every single box available. 
  • Yellowcastle2Yellowcastle2 U.S.Member Posts: 47
    To clarify, I’m not sure another chase figure would work or at least work well.  If there’s money in it, then sure, maybe TLG would do it.  But it just seems (anecdotally) that the “bad” element has gotten “worse” or more pervasive since now that primary let alone secondary prices have driven so high.
    Marshallmario
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,674
    AllBrick said:
    CCC said:
    They could easily pull off chase figures again, because the collectors' market is so monetized.
    Then watch the scalpers use bots to  buy every single box available. 
    Why would that be bad for lego?
  • FizyxFizyx ColoradoMember Posts: 1,119
    CCC said:
    AllBrick said:
    CCC said:
    They could easily pull off chase figures again, because the collectors' market is so monetized.
    Then watch the scalpers use bots to  buy every single box available. 
    Why would that be bad for lego?

    Monetarily it wouldn't, but it's a pretty bad look, and it does seem like LEGO cares about their public image. 
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,091
    Pitfall69 said:
    You've been holding that over my head for years and here you go again
    Spoiler - I'm never going to die.
    gmonkey76davetheoxygenman
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,674
    Fizyx said:
    CCC said:
    AllBrick said:
    CCC said:
    They could easily pull off chase figures again, because the collectors' market is so monetized.
    Then watch the scalpers use bots to  buy every single box available. 
    Why would that be bad for lego?

    Monetarily it wouldn't, but it's a pretty bad look, and it does seem like LEGO cares about their public image. 
    I'm not sure it would be that bad. I never had any problems buying S10 minifigs and getting a complete set minus Mr Gold. Just make it an ugly figure that nobody would want, and only want because it is rare. 

    Rich adults having trouble finding a rare chase figure that they want because it is valuable or to have a complete set is not that big a deal. Within the CMF buying community it might be, but then most won't have Mr Gold so won't be complete (when including rare chase figs) anyway. Personally, I find the change from 16 to 12 a bigger issue than chase figures that can be ignored if you don't want to go on the chase.
    catwrangler
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,477
    CCC said:
    AllBrick said:
    CCC said:
    They could easily pull off chase figures again, because the collectors' market is so monetized.
    Then watch the scalpers use bots to  buy every single box available. 
    Why would that be bad for lego?
    It’s not bad for Lego as they get paid. 
    Its bad for those who want to chase and find the figures themselves. 
    If scalpers bought everything you can expect to pay a premium on the normal figures and a massive premium on the chase. 
    And if all the scalpers have all the chase figures there is no chase at all, might as well rename them....... hostage figures or something. 
  • mr_bennmr_benn United KingdomMember Posts: 890
    Ugh, it felt like such a fiasco though.  In my head, it makes me feel better when I don't count Mr Gold as a CMF, as I've got all the rest and will never go through the trouble and expense of getting hold of one.

    I have no issue with the concept of rare figures (ComiCon and stuff) but the idea of them ever doing a rare figure like this within a collectible line is not a good one.  Limited per case chase figures are fine - you can always get one in the end - but ones that might not even be in a box can just do one!
    canon03drdavewatfordGibbo1959
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,674
    AllBrick said:
    It’s not bad for Lego as they get paid. 
    Its bad for those who want to chase and find the figures themselves. 
    If scalpers bought everything you can expect to pay a premium on the normal figures and a massive premium on the chase. 
    And if all the scalpers have all the chase figures there is no chase at all, might as well rename them....... hostage figures or something. 
    Scalpers cannot buy everything though. If other people want to buy something and they get there first and are willing to pay the same price, then they will beat the scalpers to it. There is no possibility of using bots to buy up all stock when so much of it goes on shelves. They did Mr Gold in S10 and I don't remember the secondary market prices being any higher than normal for the regular figures. And there were not shortages of S10 on the shelves. Anyone wanting to buy random packets could buy random packets. In fact, I seem to remember that quite a lot got sold off reasonably cheaply as people that had been searching for Mr Gold needed to get rid of their excess. I know I was paying about £1.50-£2.00 for Roman Commanders at the time. I seem to remember the Librarian, Sea Captain and Trendsetter were relatively high at the time (but not massively high), even the bee was quite cheap until people started army building with those. The common figures were sold off for well under RRP to get rid of them.
    Gibbo1959
  • pxchrispxchris Oregon, USAMember Posts: 1,387
    Speaking of (semi) chase figures, I came across the extra Police man and Percival Graves I still have in bag yesterday while sorting. I think the market on those two basically ended up flattening out and then dying.
    gmonkey76SumoLego
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,477
    edited March 3
    CCC said:
    AllBrick said:
    It’s not bad for Lego as they get paid. 
    Its bad for those who want to chase and find the figures themselves. 
    If scalpers bought everything you can expect to pay a premium on the normal figures and a massive premium on the chase. 
    And if all the scalpers have all the chase figures there is no chase at all, might as well rename them....... hostage figures or something. 
    Scalpers cannot buy everything though. If other people want to buy something and they get there first and are willing to pay the same price, then they will beat the scalpers to it. There is no possibility of using bots to buy up all stock when so much of it goes on shelves. They did Mr Gold in S10 and I don't remember the secondary market prices being any higher than normal for the regular figures. And there were not shortages of S10 on the shelves. Anyone wanting to buy random packets could buy random packets. In fact, I seem to remember that quite a lot got sold off reasonably cheaply as people that had been searching for Mr Gold needed to get rid of their excess. I know I was paying about £1.50-£2.00 for Roman Commanders at the time. I seem to remember the Librarian, Sea Captain and Trendsetter were relatively high at the time (but not massively high), even the bee was quite cheap until people started army building with those. The common figures were sold off for well under RRP to get rid of them.
    Try telling that to anyone trying to buy a PS5. Scalping has exploded over the last couple of years, S10 figures were released 8 years ago so it was a completely different time. 

    Scalping bots are a real real problem and there is no way to physically beat them as a human. 
    It’s so bad that the UK government is contemplating placing restrictions on their use or making them entirely illegal (for buying consoles only so far it seems).

    I am almost certain that if something similar to Mr. Gold was released today you will have severe difficulties finding any boxes anywhere and if you did find some, they will have been comprehensively felt up and ransacked. 

    Even shop staff are clued up these days and if they’re not scalping they know someone that is or is paying them for first dibs. 

    Making several hundred pounds on a £4 - £5 figure is too much temptation for scalpers to not try and capitalise on it. 
    Yellowcastle2Fizyxgmonkey76
  • Yellowcastle2Yellowcastle2 U.S.Member Posts: 47
    ^This is what I was figuring.
    gmonkey76AllBrick
  • mustang69mustang69 North CarolinaMember Posts: 528
    The primary difference with a PS5 and a chase (blind bag) minifig is there is no way for a scalping bot to target a blind bag figure online. They would literally have to buy all of the online stock to try to find one, which would be cost prohibitive. In person though is a different story. I could definitely see scalpers hitting the toy isle every morning and feeling for the chase figure and buying them all.
    AllBrick
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,477
    mustang69 said:
    The primary difference with a PS5 and a chase (blind bag) minifig is there is no way for a scalping bot to target a blind bag figure online. They would literally have to buy all of the online stock to try to find one, which would be cost prohibitive. In person though is a different story. I could definitely see scalpers hitting the toy isle every morning and feeling for the chase figure and buying them all.
    It still won’t stop them, they will buy every box, sell the regulars for a small premium and the chases / hostages at an enormous premium. 
    The people that run these outfits have huge capital that allows them to buy 10,000 consoles at once. 
    Reminds me of Veruca Salts dad buying all of the Wonka Bars in order to find the golden ticket except being able to sell the “chocolate” afterwards. 

    Buying the stock will create a shortage and people will inevitably pay over the odds due to there not being anything to buy elsewhere. 
    and yes, as you say, what can’t be bought online will be ransacked elsewhere. 

    Whether its a console, a concert ticket or Lego they will go for it. 
    As a Hot Wheels enthusiast I can say without a doubt that the scalping of Super Treasure Hunts and other desirable premium vehicles is massive. In the last few years I have seen a huge drop in stock for certain retailers and in some cases I’ve found that the boxes have been opened by a middle party to have stickers added stating where they have been imported from which has lead to damaged and missing contents. 

    Its all hypothetical though as there won’t be another Mr. Gold, at least not one we can find randomly in the wild. 
    TkattFizyx
  • Yellowcastle2Yellowcastle2 U.S.Member Posts: 47
    They mostly come out at night.  Mostly.
    datsunrobbieAllBrickJudgeChuck560HeliportSumoLegogmonkey76Brainslugged
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 14,091
    Scalpers still need buyers.  Some will buy too early, some will buy too late.  Some will sell too early, some will sell too late...

    I don't get the impression LEGO cares at this point to do gimmicky things with the CMF line.  They just reduced the number of figures.  I'm sure that wasn't a willy-nilly decision.

    (Same as drastically increasing the variety of product for adult customers.)
    gmonkey76AllBrick
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