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  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    I do want different prints for characters. I don't want to use Luke in his pilot suit for a duel with Vader vignette. If they only do one version of each character there is less incentive to buy other sets. 

    Plus you don't have to buy every version, if you only want one Vader or Kai, only buy one set with Vader or Kai. And if you buy another set with him in, does it really matter if it is the same or different if you only want one? ID prefer to get two different ones rather than the same one twice.
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  • autolycusautolycus Member Posts: 1,432
    CCC said:
    I do want different prints for characters. I don't want to use Luke in his pilot suit for a duel with Vader vignette. If they only do one version of each character there is less incentive to buy other sets. 

    Plus you don't have to buy every version, if you only want one Vader or Kai, only buy one set with Vader or Kai. And if you buy another set with him in, does it really matter if it is the same or different if you only want one? ID prefer to get two different ones rather than the same one twice.
    The first paragraph cannot possibly be unpopular. The second paragraph though... YOU MUST BUY EVERY VARIANT!!! HOW DARE YOU NOT HAVE EVERY SINGLE VADER?
    The_Rancor
  • The_RancorThe_Rancor Member Posts: 2,623
    Since they stopped using the clone head stormtroopers have become an issue for me but we’ve only had a couple of waves of them so far with unique heads.
  • arathemisarathemis Member Posts: 626
    Understandable for luke since his outfit changes throughout the movies. But vader? He's the same black dude in every movie, why should we have different prints for him? (that are 98% the same, just an extra crease on the leg, or an extra LED on the torso) what's the point of that? It's just TLG admiting they did a terrible job with the first version of the minifig. 
    Same for superman. Or spiderman.
  • jnscoelhojnscoelho Member Posts: 704
    arathemis said:
    Same for superman. Or spiderman.
    Not really. You have Superman, classic Superman, New 52 Superman, DCEU Superman, etc. The costumes are different. Not like Vader.
    Same goes for Spiderman.
    stluxKungFuKennygmonkey76
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    arathemis said:
    Understandable for luke since his outfit changes throughout the movies. But vader? He's the same black dude in every movie, why should we have different prints for him? (that are 98% the same, just an extra crease on the leg, or an extra LED on the torso) what's the point of that? It's just TLG admiting they did a terrible job with the first version of the minifig.

    Why? Because this...


    LEGO's printing and detailing typically gets better and better with time. I wouldn't want the old style print next to new characters with modern printing, just because we are only allowed one version.

    And more to the point, why not? What is the problem with having different versions, even if slightly different. It doesn't really affect anyone if they want just one Vader. New sets would still have Vader in them, so if you bought 10 sets you'd just end up with 10 Vaders that are exactly the same rather than 10 with possible variations in them and you can then select the one you want for a particular scene. I'd prefer the choice than no choice.


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  • BrainsluggedBrainslugged Member Posts: 2,277
    edited November 2021
    I don't especially like the information plaques with UCS sets and quite often don't even bother applying the sticker. I'd prefer the stand to be as inconspicuous as possible so having an 8x16 tile attached to an already overly-conspicuous stand is the last thing I want to do.
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  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,563
    Brainslugged said:
    I don't especially like the information plaques with UCS sets and quite often don't even bother applying the sticker. I'd prefer the stand to be as inconspicuous as possible so having an 8x16 tile attached to an already overly-conspicuous stand is the last thing I want to do.
    Especially considering how often they contain errors.
    Brickchap560Heliportpxchrisiwybs
  • The_RancorThe_Rancor Member Posts: 2,623
    Astrobricks said:
    Brainslugged said:
    I don't especially like the information plaques with UCS sets and quite often don't even bother applying the sticker. I'd prefer the stand to be as inconspicuous as possible so having an 8x16 tile attached to an already overly-conspicuous stand is the last thing I want to do.
    Especially considering how often they contain errors…
    … that anyone coming into my flat wouldn’t notice because I don’t think my friendship group includes anyone as obsessed with Star Wars as I am!
    Yellowcastle
  • IstokgIstokg Member Posts: 2,366
    edited November 2021
    For anyone who thinks that girls sets are relatively new for LEGO... that is not the case...

    1959





    1966




    1971-82 Homemaker Sets




    1979-82 SCALA (first iteration)




    Paradisa Sets 1992-97




    Then came SCALA II, Clickits and Belville, all before the introduction of the Friends line...



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  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,543
    @Istokg True, however most Lego products had both boys and girls and were no where near as targeted towards specifically boys or girls as they are thesedays.

    I wouldn't call Homemaker a 'girl theme', it was just larger scale furniture. (as opposed to something like Belville which was all pink and actually used Barbie-like dolls for example).

    Paradisa, while somewhat more targeted towards girls then Town, was really just a coastal version of town with some pink highlights here and there. All of the minifigures are just regular Town people, they are not 'dollified' or 'girlified' in any way. The subject matter too is not really gender targeted either, its just beachside things. The only 'girl targeted' thing really would be the horse riding stuff (which is stereotyping anyway), but even then the sets were just regular riding clubs (like the picture above). There are both male and female riders and they are in proper equestrian kit rather then a specifically girl coloured or 'feminine' clothing.

    Personally I still don't understand as to where this whole 'the world get ready for girls', 'banning gender specific Lego' stuff comes from.  Lego sets aren't sexist.

    In recent times just about all occupations shown in City alone have both male and female minifigures (and the Town sets for example never really dictated which role was for which gender since the only way to tell the difference when not in gender specific clothing was hair; so if you have say a fire fighter or construction worker with a hat on, they could be any gender, or race for that matter with the dot dot smile.)

    Although Friends does have a lot of sets based on shopping, animals, socialising and that sort of thing, they also have many sets that aren't traditionally 'girl specific', like go karting, astronomy, food service, theme parks etc. And once again it's only 'gender targeted' if you stereotype it that way.

    Lego City, while far less common, still has plenty of sets with shops, food services and recently wildlife rescue. In fact, apart from the pink and pastel colours, Friends and City are very similar, merely that Friends doesn't waste space on tons and tons of same old same old police and fire sets.

    The fact that Lego is not getting rid of Friends (and instead just returning to a similar situation to the old Town sets), goes against one of the few instances where gender specific or gender bias could be removed.

    Nevertheless, there is absolutely no reason as to why a girl (or their parents, grandparents etc.) can't buy a City set. Clearly pink, doll based toys about shopping, socialising, animals and so forth are very popular, otherwise they wouldn't sell. For those that don't want that, which is completely fine, they can just buy City, Creator, Harry Potter, etc. City is only 'boy targeted' if you make it that way (since girls could really like police and fire sets), and certainly themes like Creator are no way gender specific.
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  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    Istokg said:






    The good old build your own school desks set. I wonder how it would sell now.
  • AstrobricksAstrobricks Member Posts: 5,563
    Schooled by @Istokg :)
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,241
    ^ I totally agree.  But it'd be nice if LEGO could avoid the woke mob and the mob reactionary to the woke mob.
    Brickchap
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,543
    @SumoLego Good point, and I agree.

    There is an Australian TV show called Gruen (previously the Gruen Transfer) in which a panel of advertising agents/experts discuss current ads and trends. Last week's episode featured Lego and they mentioned the world get ready for girls/Friends debate etc. One lady panelist rightly pointed out how the minority expects all companies to show themselves as woke, one cannot simply be a good company anymore (which is unfortunate).

    It is a shame that these minorities are incapable of refraining from attacking everything and everyone which supposedly doesn't comply with their ever changing worldview; which naturally results in a backlash of conservatives and anyone who is a victim of such attacks, who rightly feel the need to defend themselves from whatever false accusation has been made of them.
    (see Lea Sales, Australian news presenter for the 7.30 report who wrote about her experiences with hate trolls online, interestingly many of them were 'left wing' and attacked her whenever she dared question any left wing politician for example, (which is her job as a reporter and she does the same with politicians of all political views; please understand that Lea Sales reports are neither left nor right wing biased) yet much of the horrid threats and abuse she received was the sort of thing one would expect from extreme right nutcases.)

    So to return to your original point yes it would be really nice if Lego could avoid the politics and just make fun, happy Lego sets. (to be clear I don't entirely blame Lego for not avoiding the issue since as Gruen said, any company or person that doesn't get involved in the woke mob is attacked by the woke mob anyway)

  • PhoenixioPhoenixio Member Posts: 348
    One of the issues is that people tend to use very general words, like "these minorities" to mean "certain extreme individuals within those minorities".  And so the minorities at large take offence, and accuse non-minorities, by which they mean "certain extreme individuals within the non-minorities".

    The solution is simple: everybody just stay silent when you see things like that, and actually think about all the angles under which a comment could have been written before even thinking of replying.  We've come to an age where a simple opinion needs to be written as a full thesis where every word is carefully chosen, otherwise people take offense, and that's a great shame.  It's the internet, everybody needs to learn to take some and leave some.  Let's stop searching for issues and understand that not everything is black and white, there's a ton of grey out there, and yes all issues have layers of depth that can't be covered in a quick 10 words opinion. 

    Now let's move on and talk Lego, not politics behind the theme choices and overly general stereotypes about minorities and non-minorities.
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  • lowleadlowlead Member Posts: 689
    ^^Agreed.  Although I think there's a difference between 'the minority' and 'minorities.'
    I interpreted @Brickchap's post differently...I don't think he was referring to race, but rather numbers.  Anyone?  Bueller?
    BobflipSumoLego
  • FizyxFizyx Member Posts: 1,363
    lowlead said:
    ^^Agreed.  Although I think there's a difference between 'the minority' and 'minorities.'
    I interpreted @Brickchap's post differently...I don't think he was referring to race, but rather numbers.  Anyone?  Bueller?

    I would point out that race only encompasses one set of minority groups that generally get talked about in these discussions.  Especially when discussions about gender and 'the left wing' etc are happening, LGBTQ+ is usually just as much the focus of commentary as racial minority groups are.  So, I don't want to attribute any intent to Brickchap's post, but given the topic of discussion and language used, my assumption would be that racial minority groups were not who was being referenced, but other minority groups like LGBTQ+ groups.
    stluxiwybsMr_Crosscatwrangler
  • daewoodaewoo Member Posts: 849
    The very fact that I'm a heterosexual cis gendered middle class European descended white male who grew up in a religious home with a married mother and father from the United States offends a lot of people.  Quite frankly, that says a ton about them and literally nothing about me.  At the end of the day this is a forum about Lego, which should be viewed as something that can unite us - our shared love for Lego.
    Brickchapgmonkey76Oldfan
  • BobflipBobflip Member Posts: 728
    lowlead said:
    ^^Agreed.  Although I think there's a difference between 'the minority' and 'minorities.'
    I interpreted @Brickchap's post differently...I don't think he was referring to race, but rather numbers.  Anyone?  Bueller?
    This was my interpretation too. Like the 'vocal minority', essentially a subset of the combination of all the demographics regardless of size, race, orientation or anything else.
    lowleadBrickchap
  • BrainsluggedBrainslugged Member Posts: 2,277
    Bobflip said:
    lowlead said:
    ^^Agreed.  Although I think there's a difference between 'the minority' and 'minorities.'
    I interpreted @Brickchap's post differently...I don't think he was referring to race, but rather numbers.  Anyone?  Bueller?
    This was my interpretation too. Like the 'vocal minority', essentially a subset of the combination of all the demographics regardless of size, race, orientation or anything else.
    That's how I interpreted it as well. "A minority of people"... not "minorities".
    SumoLegoBrickchaplowlead
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,241
    It's clear to me that the 'minorities' referenced were the 'woke mob' and 'mob reacting to the woke mob'.

    Setting that aside, a company can be conscientious and still offer traditional products.  It bothers me that for the fringes there is no nuance for 'good' vs. 'bad' companies.  I'd rather see actual bad companies that abuse the environment, utilize slave-wage labor, permit abusive behavior at the workplace etc. be the focus of boycotts and cancelation.  Rather than an otherwise good company being the subject of nonsense of cancel culture.
    BrickchapBumblepantsFollowsCloselylowleadkarritgmonkey76iwybsBrickfan50Yellowcastle
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,543
    Normally I'd be happy to return to Lego but seeing the controversy and hurt caused I had better explain myself and then we can leave this discussion

    (also by the way I'm not trying to have 'the last word' or anything like that).

    Okay so firstly @Fizyx I apologise for any hurt or concern caused. My comment was not directed at you, nor 'minority groups' in reference to actual groups like LGBT or non-white for example.
    Hence I clarify the second point that yes, I was referring to the 'woke mob and and 'anti-woke' mob who are a minority of people.

    I will also let you know that I was not in any way angry or hate filled when I wrote that comment.

    Sometimes members of the extreme groups can be apart of an actual minority, but usually they are (which is one of my problems with it), white (specifically English or English-American, Anglo Saxon Protestant whatever you want to call it), rich, privileged, cis, straight men or women who by virtue of their ideology think themselves above everyone else and go around assuming and enforcing what they think is best for minorities, while acting as though they are apart of those said minorities when usually they are very far from it. Furthermore, they attack anyone who doesn't comply, completely ignorant of that person's life experiences, beliefs, values etc.

    It annoys me greatly when I see ordinary, kind people accused and 'convicted' by random 'woke mobs' of being racist, sexist, homophobic, Communist, capitalist; whatever it may be, often for the strangest and stupidest of reasons
    (like the young waitress I once saw scream, literally scream, at a nice elderly lady for ordering a black coffee which is somehow racist??), meanwhile people like Trump and a fellow called George Christansen here in Australia say and do horrific things but get away with it.

    Another example is the South African comedian Trevor Noah, who often through his brilliant stand up comedy makes comments on racism and other current issues. When he went to the U.K, he was corrected by a Cockney white Englishmen (and fellow comedian), to say 'mixed race' instead of coloured. 'coloured' as Trevor says, is just the regular term in South Africa. Now for those who don't know him, Trevor Noah grew up during apartheid, and on top of that had a Swiss father and South African mother (I'm not sure which tribal group she belongs to); so he suffered discrimination from both the white and black communities. Yet here we have a white Englishmen, doing the 'correct woke thing' telling a black man what is and isn't racist terminology towards black people???

    Here in Australia a few years back there was a group of people (who weren't from minority groups) demanding curfews be put on evening Christmas celebrations so as to 'not offend non-Christian communities'. Because of this unnecessary debate, sadly there was an increase in discrimination and hate speech towards non-Christian communities such as the Islamic community, despite the fact that not a single non-Christian group had complained about Christmas, and many people came on the news and so forth saying how they love Christmas and respect our Australian traditions and so forth.

    I will say it always puzzles me when people from countries like England, the Netherlands and Germany for example go ranting to 'white people' (despite the ranters being white themselves and often even whiter in actual skin colour) about de-colonising one's thoughts and so forth, to people from countries like Austria, Poland, Hungary, Ireland, pretty much all of Eastern Europe, who not only do these people in no way support imperialism or colonialism, but their countries didn't even have any oversees colonies, while those ranting about it were the colonisers.

    I certainly find it interesting how Ireland is never mentioned when colonisation is brought up (particularly by English people), despite the fact that English/Scottish settlers literally set up colonies in Northern Ireland, pushed the local people off their land often by force, imposed a different religion, held back Ireland from economic progress and subsequently Ireland has experienced and continues to experience deep pain and ingrained underlying problems. Sounds a lot like colonisation to me but Irish people are 'white' (my family had olive skin and were Irish....) so it doesn't count apparently.

    To return to Lego I completely agree with SumoLego about people only seeing companies as 'good' or 'bad' and to finish I agree that we all should exercise understanding and patience with others.

    Here's hoping we get news on the new modular soon and that it is not too controversial!



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  • arathemisarathemis Member Posts: 626
    @Brickchap i am just sorry i can only like your comment once.

    I just care about the AT-AT, cause i'd like to get the 3-4 rims that make up his/her's? /it's neck. 
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  • lowleadlowlead Member Posts: 689
    WesterBricks said:
    Unpopular opinion:
    I don’t care about the new AT-AT. Like, at all.
    *Needle scratches record, saloon goes quiet, somewhere in the distance a dog barked.*
    HAA!! =oD  I read, I laugh.

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  • pxchrispxchris Member Posts: 2,438
    daewoo said:
    I don't know if this will be popular or not, but I hate that Pick a Brick in the Lego Store is a round cup.  I wish they were more of a square shape.
    Well, since the news is that they're going to be switching to square (or rectangular) cardboard boxes before long, you should be in luck!
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  • autolycusautolycus Member Posts: 1,432
    FollowsClosely said:
    ^ It's all about $$$.

    I think everyone hates the most inconvenient design of the cup. I am just as annoyed by the cone shape, that also adds to the empty space. This cup is designed to be as inefficient as possible.
    Yeah, great that it mimics a lego brick with the stud on top and the stud hole on the bottom, but... you can't really take much advantage of the one on top because pieces tend to not stay put in the middle of an overflowing cup! It's not ice cream you're putting under a domed sundae lid!
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    They did do those freebie boxes a while ago.
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  • arathemisarathemis Member Posts: 626
    I wish the inventory parts at the back of the instruction books wouls be sorted from big piece to small piece per color. (same in bricklink and/or brickset)

    Making the inventory for 2 x 2000+ pieces is a pain when you have to rummage through a big pile of black pieces to find the 2 necessary 1x1 tiles.
    Inventory should be imho sorted as: big plates, big bricks, small bricks, small plates, small modified bricks, small modified plates, then the rest whatever is left. 
    FollowsClosely
  • BrickchapBrickchap Member Posts: 1,543
    @legobod Heretic! We should banish you to Galidor...
    Phoenixio
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Administrator, Moderator Posts: 5,234
    Oh I miss those freebie boxes.  I think I had 4 or 5 and spent wayyy too long in that store.

    I appreciate and respect those that aren’t into the modulars.  But to me, they’re straight crack and I’m so thankful its only one a year.
    autolycuspxchrisgmonkey76canon03
  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    The next one is not straight, it's bent.
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  • daewoodaewoo Member Posts: 849
    pxchris said:  Well, since the news is that they're going to be switching to square (or rectangular) cardboard boxes before long, you should be in luck!
    I eagerly anticipate their introduction! That being said, sometimes I'm able to buy a full box of PaB parts which saves the hassle of filling up wonky cups.
    Suboptimal
  • BobflipBobflip Member Posts: 728
    arathemis said:
    I wish the inventory parts at the back of the instruction books wouls be sorted from big piece to small piece per color. (same in bricklink and/or brickset)

    Making the inventory for 2 x 2000+ pieces is a pain when you have to rummage through a big pile of black pieces to find the 2 necessary 1x1 tiles.
    Inventory should be imho sorted as: big plates, big bricks, small bricks, small plates, small modified bricks, small modified plates, then the rest whatever is left. 
    People will want all sorts of different sorting orders there, I use Brickstore for that kind of thing. For a big set I'll start sorting by weight to pluck out larger parts, search by colour if there's a few pieces that stand out from all the grey/whatever, and you can use the search for more specific stuff.
    WesterBricks
  • MaffyDMaffyD Member Posts: 3,577
    ^ Just FYI, and I'm sure you didn't know this so please don't think I'm attacking your comment, but in the UK we don't use the word 'spastic' in conversation - it has insulting connotations to those with cerebral palsy.
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  • lowleadlowlead Member Posts: 689
    ^^ Just FYI, and I'm sure you didn't know this, so please don't think I'm attacking your comment, but Airbus aircraft say 'retard' hundreds of times daily - at about 20 feet above the touchdown zone, despite the insulting connotations to the mentally disabled.
    Context is a thing.
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  • WesterBricksWesterBricks Member Posts: 961
    Thanks @MaffyD and @lowlead, I learned two things today.  But I still don't like light kits.
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  • MaffyDMaffyD Member Posts: 3,577
    lowlead said:
    ^^ Just FYI, and I'm sure you didn't know this, so please don't think I'm attacking your comment, but Airbus aircraft say 'retard' hundreds of times daily - at about 20 feet above the touchdown zone, despite the insulting connotations to the mentally disabled.
    Context is a thing.
    That's why I said 'conversation' as online comment boards are analogous to that. I'm aware of context.
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  • lowleadlowlead Member Posts: 689
    @WesterBricks Ha! No problemo! =oD
    @MaffyD Oh I hear ya - totally!  But I will say that Westerbricks use of spastic didn't raise any red flags for me, as I'm in the US.  In fact, that word precisely describes some of the garish holiday light displays in some front yards this time of year - especially those spa...frantic blinking kind!
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  • MaffyDMaffyD Member Posts: 3,577
    Phew! I'm usually hesitant to even mention stuff like this, because exactly how often does such a potential error creep in? And I don't want to cause a fuss or come across as the forum police. But then I think, awareness is not a bad thing regardless, so replied - as nicely as possible (I hope).

    For reference I had to google the word to work out what the other meaning for it was: "Of, relating to, or characterized by spasms" so I know it's contextually correct - but no-one from the UK would use it like that!

    Ok, carry on. My unpopular opinion is:

    I don't like City, if it's 'just' showing normal people going about their normal lives.

    <runs>
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  • LordmoralLordmoral Member Posts: 938
    Lego should consider how they will announce more Overwatch themes considering that Minecraft had a similar situation, if LEGO says they are canceling the sets for QA reasons I hope they get called on their PR reasoning. 
    It is pretty wild that LEGO still won't do sets based on Jedi Fallen Order when Overwatch is a T rated game.
    lowlead
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