Opinions on Value

mightymarg

Hello everyone, new here. Have used Brickset as a resource for a few years now, though I am a fairly casual AFOL.

Wanted to turn to the expertise of this community, and I hope this is allowed (read the rules so I think I'm okay, but please remove if this is not appropriate to you).

I randomly came across someone who has a new, sealed 113-2 Motorized Train set (1966) and a sealed 002-1 Motor Pak (1965) as well. As you would imagine, I am very excited by the collector's opportunity here but I have no idea whatsoever the value of these sets. The boxes are in near perfect shape.

Would love to hear your thoughts on the potential value of what I've found and how much I should expect to land on paying.

Thanks in advance!

autolycus

Bricklink has a "price guide" for each set and part in its database. I would recommend looking there. You can also see what different stores are currently listed for the price of the sets.

oldtodd33

In this case with a set so old and sealed copies so rare Bricklink will be useless. If you check their price guide you will see there are no sealed sets for sale, so no price. You can try checking Ebay for sales values but I suspect the same thing. 

On BL, a used set complete recently sold for $475 U.S.. There's a start for you. There's no real way to tell exactly what it's worth but you can gauge the desirability of it from the BL sales value.

The 002 motor is relatively common so it will be worth considerably less. 

mightymarg

Thanks guys - I know how unusual this is and checked Bricklink to find very little. Brickonomics speculated close to $4000 in value for new but specified that there's really no telling because there's no data, so I feel like I can't rely on that at all. 

CCC

This is a case where it is worth what the buyer and seller agree it is worth. Even if there is a little other sales history, all that tells you is what those two people thought it was worth at the time. Until there is a decent number sold, you will never really know what the average market value will be. And as there is not a decent number for sale, this will never happen.

stlux

With little sales history available about the set, the sales history of the parts can help. 
Most of the parts seem very common, selling for pennies. The exception are the printed pieces with the destinations - those seem to sell for a few dollars each.

The current listings on BL for #113-2 are for incomplete sets with just 1 of each of the wagons, but those *do* include all the printed parts. Getting both would set you back USD 75.

So as it's easy to piece this set together, the question to ask is how much a sealed box is worth to you on top of the loose parts price?

madforLEGO

Paging @LusiferSam @Istokg as they may have knowledge of what these sets have gone for previously and their rarity overall.

LusiferSam

I don't normally buy sealed vintage sets and trains aren't really my thing, so this is a little out of my comfort zone.  CCC is right in that it is what the buyer and seller agree on.  And honestly that goes for anything.

For the 002 Motor pack, the prices you seeing on BrickLink for loose ones are a bit too high.  Without a close look at these I would say a fair price is $75.  It is a fairly common Samsonite set in the US and shouldn't demanded a lot.  Outside North America you would need to pay a premium.  A Canadian box would also add a premium.  Sealed I wouldn't think of going higher than $200.

There are lots of different version of the 113 Motorized Train Sets.  I'm assuming your looking at the Samsonite version.  $4000 for any version for 113 Motorized Train Set and you're getting taken to the cleaners.  My opinion, sealed this is under $1000.

These are just my opinions.  At the end of the day the price is what you and the seller can agree to.  It's with in my power to stop you from paying $4000 if that is what you think these are worth.  But I can say that's not a fair deal for you.

LusiferSam

I just spotted a major typo.  I'm sorry this was confusing.  The last paragraph should read:

These are just my opinions.  At the end of the day the price is what you and the seller can agree to.  It's NOT with in my power to stop you from paying $4000 if that is what you think these are worth.  But I can say that's not a fair deal for you.

SumoLego

And someone looking for precisely what you have (the only copy in existence?!) may happily pay $4000.00.

You may want to put it on eBay at a high 'Buy it Now and you may get some offers.

Istokg

Since old sets come up for auction relatively rarely my 2800 page Unofficial LEGO Sets/Parts Collectors Guide has a 400 page price guide in dollars and another one in Euros. I use standard toy collectors price guide conditions of Very Good, Excellent, Mint in Box, and Mint in Sealed Box.  My guide pricelist deals only with sets from 1949-80... the earlier years that don't come up for auction like newer sets do.

Besides the price lists, there are also 73 chapters on LEGO sets and early parts, as well as almost anything you can think of dealing with LEGO, totaling over 2000 pages.

Available as a downloadable compute desktop guide (PC or MAC,Tablet or SmartPhone).. via Paypal...
http://legocollectorsguide.weebly.com/

P.S.  The 113 Train of 1966 comes as a 402 piece set sold in the USA, a 415 piece set sold in Canada, and a 372 piece set sold in Europe/Asia/Australia.

Istokg

Per my collectors guide section on LEGO train parts, you can tell the age of the 113 train, because of changes to the couplings among the train cars...